Active Duty People: DADT?

[Hasbinbad]

How is the repeal on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" affecting life in active duty? Was there a mass coming out? Are people sucking each other off the bathroom? Are barracks very uncomfortable now?

..or are you guys already over it?

Much ado about nothing?

[Eternal-Elf]

How is the repeal on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" affecting life in active duty? Was there a mass coming out? Are people sucking each other off the bathroom? Are barracks very uncomfortable now?

..or are you guys already over it?

Much ado about nothing?

There ARE those people out there that are still homophobic or wanna go gay bashing.
and being in a place where you are watching someones back you may hate just because of their sexual orientation is a scary thing.
What if you are gay, have come out......95% of the military doesn't care lol. But that 5% that are gunna have a problem with it may be watching your back in a combat situation......
Wouldn't be good for military press is a gay marine or a gay soldier was killed because his fellow soldier didn't back him up because he was gay

[Hasbinbad]

Yeah, I understand the reasoning behind it, I'm just wondering how things are panning out now that it's been repealed..

[Eternal-Elf]

oh are you asking if the gays can conceal themselves BACK in the closet?

Nah that door is already open lol

[Hasbinbad]

No, im asking if its causing all the problems homophobic people predicted..

[Eternal-Elf]

oh lol
no

[Lazortag]

Hasbinbad is worried that if gays are allowed to come out of the closet in the military, it'll lead to even bigger problems, like gay marriage.

[Hasbinbad]

Hasbinbad is worried that if gays are allowed to come out of the closet in the military, it'll lead to even bigger problems, like gay marriage.
This is 100% true.

[Raghnar]

You ask the question as if it were the military members who were the ones with the problem with gays. They were not. I sure didn't give a shit for my entire 22 years in the military. The vast majority were over it long ago and actually knew and followed the entire law which was DADTDP (Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Pursue). But of course the folks who continue to conflate the actions of politicians with the wishes of the military members (e.g. the OP), conveniently always omitted the DP because it didn't fit with their personal warped vision of the military. Sure there were a bunch of shit heel Marines and Soldiers who said the had a problem with it in surveys, and there will always be shit heels who treat gays, minorities, women, etc. like shit because they are narrow minded assholes. Fortunately for the vast majority there will always be rules that allow the military the latitude to drop those assholes off at the Greyhound with a ticket home when their inability to tolerate negatively affects good order and discipline. I suggest you pose the question to the intolerant asshole politicians who stuck the military with a shitty rule to enforce.

[Lazortag]

Raghnar is kind of right, the military was more aggressively against DADT than congress or even Obama was. But I don't think Hasbinbad necessarily singled out people in the military as being homophobic, he just said:

No, im asking if its causing all the problems homophobic people predicted..

He didn't say "homophobic soldiers", he was probably referring to homophobic people on this forum (of which there are a few) or just generally.

Okay, I'm done defending hasbinbad, now I can go back to trolling him about his obsession with irony/lustrous russet/etc.

[Diggles]

this post is ironic because hasbinbad hates the military and is gay

[Seaweedpimp]

I think the real question is why hasbinbad as abandoned his shitty guild just like 50 % of thier population.

[LevinJ]

there will always be shit heels who treat gays, minorities, women, etc. like shit

This basically sums it up.

I have a Jewish last name. I was once temporarily transferred to a reservist unit from North Carolina (deep southern unit). When one of my superiors met me he heard my last name, and said "X... X.. what kind of last name is that?" Me: "It's Jewish, sergeant." Him: "Oh you're Jewish? Damn I thought you were white." Me: 0_o

Gays are just one more category that some people in the military will never like... but we need those people - they make up our infantry and they are good at it.

[xshayla701]

this post is ironic because hasbinbad hates the military and is gay

hahahaha

[Feces]

Hasn't changed aything. I knew who the gay people were in my platoon when we deployed to Iraq to kill filthy brown people. Those queers were awesome and have more balls than hasbinanegro ever will. Abolishing DADT was a publicity stunt for a certain African in office.

[Hoggen]

DADT was a publicity stunt for a certain African in office.

Halfrican.

Halfblack. Like the duck in the ads.

Actually, he's all red.

[jarshale]

Hasn't changed aything. I knew who the gay people were in my platoon when we deployed to Iraq to kill filthy brown people. Those queers were awesome and have more balls than hasbinanegro ever will. Abolishing DADT was a publicity stunt for a certain African in office.

It may have been a publicity stunt, but people were still calling for it to be abolished.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

its 2011 and gays are only just able to enlist in the United States military

i hate this country so fucking much

[Hasbinbad]

Careful there Tommy..

[Harrison]

Hasn't changed aything. I knew who the gay people were in my platoon when we deployed to Iraq to kill filthy brown people. Those queers were awesome and have more balls than hasbinanegro ever will. Abolishing DADT was a publicity stunt for a certain African in office.

We didn't give a shit. (Massachusetts ARNG)

However, in certain redneck areas I could see it being a morale issue.

[Hasbinbad]

You ask the question as if it were the military members who were the ones with the problem with gays. They were not. I sure didn't give a shit for my entire 22 years in the military. The vast majority were over it long ago and actually knew and followed the entire law which was DADTDP (Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Pursue). But of course the folks who continue to conflate the actions of politicians with the wishes of the military members (e.g. the OP), conveniently always omitted the DP because it didn't fit with their personal warped vision of the military. Sure there were a bunch of shit heel Marines and Soldiers who said the had a problem with it in surveys, and there will always be shit heels who treat gays, minorities, women, etc. like shit because they are narrow minded assholes. Fortunately for the vast majority there will always be rules that allow the military the latitude to drop those assholes off at the Greyhound with a ticket home when their inability to tolerate negatively affects good order and discipline. I suggest you pose the question to the intolerant asshole politicians who stuck the military with a shitty rule to enforce.
I read this earlier and was gonna respond in typical Hasbinbad fashion, but then I realized that you just missed the point of what I was asking. Basically the news media has portrayed many "right wing" people as being opposed to DADTDP (thank you for that info, it was simple ignorance that caused me to omit the DP totally owns a dealership}]) for reasons of morale in the ranks (the whole "gays having your back" portrayal), as well as using moral grounds to argue against it.. So I was wondering what it's really like "on the ground" so to speak. Is there a backlash? Is it an issue?

Just curious bro.

[Alarti0001]

No, im asking if its causing all the problems homophobic people predicted..

Everyone in the military already knew who all the gay people were.... and we didn't care

[Daldolma]

It's funny that a lot of the people that characterize the military as racist, homophobic, and ignorant are in so doing engaged in the process of mass-generalization. Something to think about.

PS: DADTDP was a retarded policy that reflected the fact that everyone realized gay people could serve equally well in the military, but nobody really wanted to deal with the idea of gay people joining the military. At least with good, old fashioned bigotry, there was skepticism over the capabilities of the persecuted. DADT was pretty much a policy of "fine, you're equal, but ewwww".

[Kingofqueens123]

My history in boot camp, when talking about DADT, DI's would say that they wouldn't want a faggot behind them in battle, then they would have to watch out for the enemy and the queer behind them.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

My history in boot camp, when talking about DADT, DI's would say that they wouldn't want a faggot behind them in battle, then they would have to watch out for the enemy and the queer behind them.

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[Mardur]

its 2011 and gays are only just able to enlist in the United States military

i hate this country so fucking much

You can leave whenever you want. No one's stopping you. If you have an associates you can get a work visa teaching English somewhere "better" at the very least.

Also gays have been able to enlist in the military, I'm not sure if you realize what DADT entails.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

You can leave whenever you want. No one's stopping you. If you have an associates you can get a work visa teaching English somewhere "better" at the very least.

Also gays have been able to enlist in the military, I'm not sure if you realize what DADT entails.

Believe it or not, it is not trivial to emigrate from the US permanently. Other countries view us as unskilled brats. Our public education is regarded by the world worse than a degree from U of Phoenix. You might have learned this had you ever bothered to explore your options rather than buying into Uncle Sam's propaganda. The fact that you put the developed world's superiority in scare quotes is pretty laughable - have you seen the state of the USA in the last 10 years? Have you been to the South, or Texas?

I've been trapped in our pyramid-scheme higher ed system for 3 years, but don't worry, I'll be out of your hair shortly. I'm fortunate enough to have a family willing to front the cash for the massive amount in loans I was manipulated into taking out from the US government when I was a child, so I've got an edge on the rest of the fresh, desperate college graduates trying to escape a similar nightmare. Of course, there's no real guarantee I won't be seeing you out-of-control assholes again when you start a war of aggression with whatever state I emigrate to.

As for DADT, gays have not been able to enlist with freedoms equal to heterosexuals until 2011. But hey, why quibble over little details? Gays were perfectly free to live in secret, hide their SOs from all colleagues, and never enjoy the financial protections offered by marriage. That's in the Bible, right?

[Nerfbat]

This country hates you too Tommy.

[Feces]

Tommy is mad that America beat him up as a kid. :(

[Hoggen]

Gays were perfectly free to live in secret, hide their SOs from all colleagues, and never enjoy the financial protections offered by marriage. That's in the Bible, right?

Leviticus 20:13

New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The Old Testament has a lot of scriptures that exhort killing homosexuals. Oh well.

[Mardur]

Tommy is mad that America beat him up as a kid. :(

Haha, this.

And the repeal of DADT doesn't mean shit, homosexuals still will be looked upon by some as lesser than heterosexuals, and you're an idiot if you think bigotry and prejudice is restricted to only our military or this country.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

Haha, this.

And the repeal of DADT doesn't mean shit, homosexuals still will be looked upon by some as lesser than heterosexuals, and you're an idiot if you think bigotry and prejudice is restricted to only our military or this country.

I don't give a fuck about the opinion of a bigot. I do give a fuck about being legally discriminated against. You are fucking stupid if you don't see a difference between the two.

[Asher]

Leviticus 20:13

New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

The Old Testament has a lot of scriptures that exhort killing homosexuals. Oh well.

Are we really gonna live our lives by the old Testament now? Why don't you dig something up from the new testament about how Jesus hated gays?

Old Testament said a lot of crazy shit that we don't do now, unless you are Ortho Jewish.

Asher

[jilena]

I think it's hilarious that people feel like the US is somehow the world leader in bigotry and discrimination. I don't have a single white american citizen friend that is half as racist or bigoted as the least racist of my foreign friends (and I live in fucking Texas so that is saying something). Fuck I have Mexican and South American friends who flat out HATE people from other nearby countries. And they look the fucking same! (Go ask anyone actually FROM Mexico how they feel about people from El Salvador) The only exception being a Russian lady I know but she is over the top nice anyway.

I am not saying there aren't crazy backward fucked up people, and I am not saying that some of these people aren't exceptionally vocal and I will never deny that they make us all look terrible... I am just saying "IT'S NOT JUST US".

As for migrating to other countries. Having a useful and desirable skill and no communicable diseases makes this pretty much a non-issue. I have no college degree and I am willing to wager I could migrate just about anywhere based solely on having 15+ years of experience as a network admin/engineer. Obviously that doesn't apply to someone just out of college but I wouldn't really say it's impossible. And you can always join the fucking peace corps. It's what all the cool kids who have useless degrees and no are doing. I have a few friends who did this for a while and taught English in the phillipines and whatnot. Or are you saying you want to go somewhere more developed?

[Tommy_Wiseau]

No shit your friends from broke-ass third world countries are ignorant. I'm not interested in living there or here.

My skills and degree are both useful but an undergraduate degree doesn't mean shit no matter what it is. Even less from a US institution, though I am lucky enough to have a big name on mine. I'm not willing to wade deeper into US debt enslavement to get a Ph.D here, so I have the less simple task of supporting myself in a foreign country with a BS.

I'll probably be going the exchange english teaching route anyway, humiliating though it is to be lumped in with people who jerked off in libarts for 4 years, for use as a springboard to Ph.D. It's going to set me back a couple of years, but I suppose I'll make them back in saved trouble by researching in a country where biological research isn't a constant political struggle.

[jilena]

No shit your friends from broke-ass third world countries are ignorant. I'm not interested in living there or here.

My skills and degree are both useful but an undergraduate degree doesn't mean shit no matter what it is. Even less from a US institution, though I am lucky enough to have a big name on mine. I'm not willing to wade deeper into US debt enslavement to get a Ph.D here, so I have the less simple task of supporting myself in a foreign country with a BS.

I'll probably be going the exchange english teaching route anyway, humiliating though it is to be lumped in with people who jerked off in libarts for 4 years, for use as a springboard to Ph.D. It's going to set me back a couple of years, but I suppose I'll make them back in saved trouble by researching in a country where biological research isn't a constant political struggle.

Just curious which countries you are interested in that aren't broke ass or full of ignorant folks? I mean Australia always seemed like a cool place to live to me but those motherfuckers are cracking down on one of a man's essential needs. Porn.

I think one of the big advantages you have here over other countries is the fact that politics while ridiculous tend to be fairly stable here. Sure there are a ton of bullshit laws enforcing a morality that the majority have no real interest in, and yes I could do without some of the taxes. But in reality, in my 33 years of life I have yet to experience any political change that had even a moderately drastic effect on the way I live or enjoy life. I don't know if the same could be said for other places. My experience is probably fairly slanted though as I have never had difficulty finding a job and obviously I am both white and male lol.

Anyway, good luck with your search, if you can find a better place to make you happier, more power to you. I hope things work out for the best. While I don't find myself sympathizing with your situation; I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to do what makes them happier (obv not at the expense of someone else : P).

[Kingofqueens123]

Tommy, broseph, if you don't love it, leave it communist faggot.

[God-King Abacab]

Get out of my country you ******!

[SyrUs]

Lol our Battalion was in the field when it passed. Me and everyone in HQ started talking and acting pretty gay. It was fun. Pissed Gunny off to hell though. He was like, "Go to 1st Sgt, tell him you're a fag, and i'll send you to RBE...McCollughs a fag, Tanishita, hes a fag, Jasiulek, fag...Any others?"

Fun times pissing off Gunny

[Hoggen]

Lol our Battalion was in the field when it passed. Me and everyone in HQ started talking and acting pretty gay. It was fun. Pissed Gunny off to hell though. He was like, "Go to 1st Sgt, tell him you're a fag, and i'll send you to RBE...McCollughs a fag, Tanishita, hes a fag, Jasiulek, fag...Any others?"

Fun times pissing off Gunny

That's frigging great.

I've talked to a substantial number of Europeans and East Europeans that cannot stand Jews. Also, the closer you get to Russia, the more they hate homosexuals also. Let's face it: tribalism is hardwired into the human race.

[DocDoom]

Hasbin knows if he is allowed to marry he will be the bitch in his relationship and is still unwilling to carry a purse and wear a dress. Soon Hasbin you will have no choice then to be the bitch you only pretend to be in EQ.

[Bazooka]

How is the repeal on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" affecting life in active duty? Was there a mass coming out? Are people sucking each other off the bathroom? Are barracks very uncomfortable now?

..or are you guys already over it?

Much ado about nothing?

No offense but most homosexuals are pretty eccentric and its fairly obvious, so I was already aware of them around me in the workplace.

We don't often talk about sex and personal lives at work so it really hasn't made any tangible difference I can see.

Although due to competition and politics I do believe some people were chaptered out of the military with people using their sexual preference as an excuse and I'm glad that their sexuality can't be used against them.

[Uthgaard]

From an outsider perspective, DADT might seem like some giant civil rights movement that had some significant impact. But the reality was that no one really gave a shit, and it was only ever invoked when A) they wanted to get rid of someone who was so bad for unit cohesion that the unit was better off without them, and had no better option to boot them (and this very rarely had to do with their sexuality). Or B) someone wanted out of training, didn't have a better excuse, and believed all the horror stories about people who went AWOL.

In the case of A it was a last resort, a situation where a person does more good in absentia than present. Even in the case of B, it was only begrudgingly done, retention was the primary focus, and the private would have to argue his way up the chain of command all the way to the Col., while still participating in training and using the same showers as anyone. I only saw one person see that through to completion, and I'm pretty sure he was lying.

The ones that made the news were type A. Obnoxious fucking attention whores who chose to identify themselves as their most controversial personality trait, civilians could identify with that and rally behind it. But that kind of behavior has no place in the military, and the authority is slowly being ceded slightly behind parental rights. Sergeants can no longer beat or swear at their soldiers, and the O-grades are coming in too fucking green to know what to do. The military is there for the idealistic defense of the nation, and the practical abuse toward the executive branch's agendas; but not for Billy to prance around Afghanistan with a feather boa on his M-16 and feel validated that some father figure finally has to accept his worthless ass.

As it stands, Americans soldiers have been topping the charts when it comes to responsibility for the deaths of American soldiers for the last decade. Why? Because people who don't take shit seriously are filtering in to meet recruiter quotas, and once they've hit training, it's damn near impossible to get them out. People get shot by fucking idiots who can't operate a rifle and don't know what the fuck a proper low-ready is. Well good fucking going, I'm just glad I won't be there when they start getting twirled. Letting these jokers in is just going to get more good soldiers killed. Gays are, and have been in the military since its inception. The right ones, and DADT didn't affect that one bit. Not all were in the closet, and some of them couldn't help but be obvious for all the effort in the world. But they weren't booted for their sexuality.

Where and in whom you stick it is a very small part of a person's life. And when you're going to spend years in what-would-be uncomfortably close quarters in potentially dangerous situations with other men who would be distracted by that, you have a duty and a responsibility to put safety and common sense first and shut the fuck up about it.

There is an entire subculture of stealth gay that places a high value on privacy and the consideration of others, and it's not just limited to the military. Consider how often an average male finds himself in potentially awkward same-sex situations: From using a gym locker room to sharing a hotel, or even being in the same car alone for extended periods of time. When the orientation has no positive reason to influence the social dynamic, it shouldn't ever be introduced. As a result, this is the closest it will ever come to publicly lamenting the loss of DADT.

In short: Even the gays in the military think they're a bunch of fags, and we wish they'd stay the hell out.

[iamoenaj]

I am active duty. Nobody gives a shit. Now go kill some fire beetles.

[iamoenaj]

I do want to say, though, how funny it was to go onto Facebook the day of and see who changed their status..a lot of "I knew it"s and laughing at the people who you KNOW are gay but aren't changing their status in the event that the repeal is repealed, or something like that. Those Washington guys are tricksy.