I love how Rogean and Nilbog havent responded

[tefog]

Server rules change when buddies are involved?

Right?

[Doors]

Everquest is fucking serious bro.

[Kope]

http://blogs.965thebuzz.com/files/2011/08/brick-loud-noises-b.jpg

[tefog]

I'd be completely happy if all accounts from said hacked IP were banned and hackers would have to start level 1. Though some would leave, many will start over. Leaving the rest of us pissed off non-cheaters happy. Completely banning the IP of hackers would not solve anything but lower server population

[xshayla701]

http://blogs.965thebuzz.com/files/2011/08/brick-loud-noises-b.jpg

love this movie

[Deadmantis]

http://conorbyrne.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/236shhhh.jpg

[Mezzmur]

Server rules change when buddies are involved?

Right?

quoted for truth. although...not allowed in RNF!

[Kruel]

Nilbog and Rogean are both responsible for this server even being here in the first place. The server would still be here and be successful without uthgaard (although not as good i admit). Both Nilbog and Rogean dont owe you ANYTHING. What you owe those two is a thank you as you continue to use THERE server for FREE.

[Kope]

THERE

Their

[Messianic]

Their

ty

[Barkingturtle]

Nilbog and Rogean are both responsible for this server even being here in the first place. The server would still be here and be successful without uthgaard (although not as good i admit). Both Nilbog and Rogean dont owe you ANYTHING. What you owe those two is a thank you as you continue to use THERE server for FREE.

*their

[Kruel]

wow lols

[Shannacore]

Both Nilbog and Rogean dont owe you ANYTHING.

[Autotune]

http://conorbyrne.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/236shhhh.jpg

[tefog]

I do agree with you they do not owe us anything. I am thankful for the opportunity to play. What bothers me is just the unequal treatment we players are getting. If it were me i'd be banned. If it were someone else they'd be suspended. That amazes me. We know SOE doesn't care about cheaters in their servers, they dont even investigate such claims. To go through all the trouble identify and isolate cheaters and say hey dont do it again, is almost just as bad, if not worst. Finding out there were 365 changes nothing because in a couple days they'll all be back laughing it off and inflating the markets with items they acquired with such programs.

[Kope]

I do agree with you they do not owe us anything. I am thankful for the opportunity to play. What bothers me is just the unequal treatment we players are getting. If it were me i'd be banned. If it were someone else they'd be suspended. That amazes me. We know SOE doesn't care about cheaters in their servers, they dont even investigate such claims. To go through all the trouble identify and isolate cheaters and say hey dont do it again, is almost just as bad, if not worst. Finding out there were 365 changes nothing because in a couple days they'll all be back laughing it off and inflating the markets with items they acquired with such programs.

So SOE didn't care about hackers, but Nilbog and Rogean came up with a way to catch them, implemented it and punished them (I do agree btw it's too lenient but that's another conversation) regardless of friend or foe and you're complaining they did it?

Even though (again) I agree with you to a certain degree, you're contradicting youself with your logic. You're using emotion instead of logic, please step back a bit and come back with a cool head.

[visage]

Bite the hand that feeds you? Lol n before Rogean or Nilborg get fed up and ban your ass

[tj218]

If they didn't care, why would they try to catch cheaters? Why would they punish "their friends" at all?

[Kruel]

I do agree with you they do not owe us anything. I am thankful for the opportunity to play. What bothers me is just the unequal treatment we players are getting. If it were me i'd be banned. If it were someone else they'd be suspended. That amazes me. We know SOE doesn't care about cheaters in their servers, they dont even investigate such claims. To go through all the trouble identify and isolate cheaters and say hey dont do it again, is almost just as bad, if not worst. Finding out there were 365 changes nothing because in a couple days they'll all be back laughing it off and inflating the markets with items they acquired with such programs.

Who got unbanned, i havent seen one?

[Kruel]

Bite the hand that feeds you? Lol n before Rogean or Nilborg get fed up and ban your ass

GO AWAY i thought you said you were quiting.. i was celebrating. you ruind it

[tefog]

lol

[yaaaflow]

What bothers me is just the unequal treatment we players are getting. If it were me i'd be banned. If it were someone else they'd be suspended.

Where is this unequal treatment talk coming from? In the vast vast majority of cases cheating = ban. In this particular case, due to the mass number of accounts they caught they decided suspension + punishment + proving they would catch anyone mq2/myseqing in the future was enough. If you were caught in this bunch you would be suspended, not banned, just like everyone else. You can surely argue that the cheaters should have been punished harder but I don't see how you can say it is unequal punishment since all cheaters caught in this way got the same punishment.

[Labyrrinth]

Where is this unequal treatment talk coming from? In the vast vast majority of cases cheating = ban. In this particular case, due to the mass number of accounts they caught they decided suspension + punishment + proving they would catch anyone mq2/myseqing in the future was enough. If you were caught in this bunch you would be suspended, not banned, just like everyone else. You can surely argue that the cheaters should have been punished harder but I don't see how you can say it is unequal punishment since all cheaters caught in this way got the same punishment.

I think people are coupling the cheating issue with other issues that have occurred this past week. Xzerion and VP, Uthgaards reasons for leaving, and probably a few other things that I'm not aware of.

Combine all those, and where those issues point make a lot of folks feel there's unequal treatment on the server.

[Kruel]

I think people are coupling the cheating issue with other issues that have occurred this past week. Xzerion and VP, Uthgaards reasons for leaving, and probably a few other things that I'm not aware of.

Combine all those, and where those issues point make a lot of folks feel there's unequal treatment on the server.

Nilbog and rogean HAVE posted. They said they had already done an internal investigation and Xzerion is clean. Uthgaard then raged about this (and other things). Uthgaard then let the logs get out and onto R&F. Also how did Uthgaard have the time to make a toon in EC to bash another Dev?

It is very clear= Uthgaard is a GREAT dev.
Uthgaard= hothead. (im a hothead in RL so dont take it to offensively.)

[Labyrrinth]

Nilbog and rogean HAVE posted. They said they had already done an internal investigation and Xzerion is clean. Uthgaard then raged about this (and other things). Uthgaard then let the logs get out and onto R&F. Also how did Uthgaard have the time to make a toon in EC to bash another Dev?

It is very clear= Uthgaard is a GREAT dev.
Uthgaard= hothead. (im a hothead in RL so dont take it to offensively.)

No one said they HADN'T posted.
In addition, just because something is posted doesn't make it true.

[tefog]

I meant unequal treatment to all those who were caught and banned before this huge hacker revelation

[Kruel]

No one said they HADN'T posted.
In addition, just because something is posted doesn't make it true.

The title of this thread is :
I love how Rogean and Nilbog havent responded. Im simply saying they did post. And Uthgaard didnt like the response.

[tefog]

You know what.. Now that I thought about all this. Though I am upset about the decision, I did not create this server. Nor did I take hundreds of hours of my life to code and patch and add content. So to Nilbog and Rogean, I am sorry. Though I do not agree with the decision. It is not my decision to make, nor my place to make accusations.

Thats the note I want to end this thread with.

[Feachie]

Where is this unequal treatment talk coming from? In the vast vast majority of cases cheating = ban. In this particular case, due to the mass number of accounts they caught they decided suspension + punishment + proving they would catch anyone mq2/myseqing in the future was enough. If you were caught in this bunch you would be suspended, not banned, just like everyone else. You can surely argue that the cheaters should have been punished harder but I don't see how you can say it is unequal punishment since all cheaters caught in this way got the same punishment.

exhibit a, from 8/30/11: http://i52.tinypic.com/t8nl76.jpg

exhibit b, from 9/1/11: http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3204/eq000057.jpg

2 weeks goes by so quickly!

[yaaaflow]

Accounts which were caught using MQ2/myseq were suspended. If the Trax account did not get caught using mq2/myseq why would it be suspended?

[Feachie]

fuck cheaters. spill their blood.

[Mezzmur]

exhibit a, from 8/30/11: http://i52.tinypic.com/t8nl76.jpg

exhibit b, from 9/1/11: http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3204/eq000057.jpg

2 weeks goes by so quickly!

Trax must be on a different account. Now, it would be more interesting if you saw Perun on Perun.

[Pico]

ban the player not the account

[Feachie]

ban the player not the account

thank you

[Mezzmur]

ban the player not the account

I'm good with that.

[Alarti0001]

Accounts which were caught using MQ2/myseq were suspended. If the Trax account did not get caught using mq2/myseq why would it be suspended?

accounts dont cheat, players do... banning only the account is like locking guns up in prison one someone shoots someone

[yaaaflow]

Yeah I don't disagree with that. My point was Feachie was trying to use Perun/Trax as an example of unequal treatment when clearly the treatment was the same for all accounts caught in this instance.

[purist]

Imagine if they told us how how many IPs are active on P99 and how many IPs were associated with the 365 accounts suspended for cheating. I can bet you it would be a hell of a lot more than 2%.

Banning accounts instead of talking about IPs made it look like less people were cheating. That way, when ~1/3rd of the server gets punished for cheating, they can say "365 accounts is only 2% of the total player base. There are 20,000 accounts on the server!"

Yes, 2% of the total active accounts on the server were flagged for cheating. We all know more than 2% of the server cheated, and that nowhere near 20,000 people play P99.

[Estrang]

Evidently they think you are all very stupid people who would buy that Michael Moore bullshit.

[Estrang]

and I would have to agree with them. Most of you are very very stupid people

[mitic]

Nilbog and rogean HAVE posted. They said they had already done an internal investigation and Xzerion is clean. Uthgaard then raged about this (and other things). Uthgaard then let the logs get out and onto R&F. Also how did Uthgaard have the time to make a toon in EC to bash another Dev?

It is very clear= Uthgaard is a GREAT dev.
Uthgaard= hothead. (im a hothead in RL so dont take it to offensively.)

please elaborate bolded text

[druziil]

Both Nilbog and Rogean dont owe you ANYTHING. What you owe those two is a thank you as you continue to use THERE server for FREE.

The owe us alot. They don't do this because its something to do. They enjoy the end result of their work. The need to thank us for populating their server and alowing it's continued development through donations and add revenues. They also owe us the respect to do what they say. Calling hacking a banable offense and then not banning for it is absurd. I am not happy they think peolple will put up with that kind of hypocrisy. I'm just biding my time waiting for something better.

Thank you Nilbog and Rogean for making me feel like shit because i respected your rules enough to follow them.

[mitic]

The owe us alot. They don't do this because its something to do. They enjoy the end result of their work. The need to thank us for populating their server and alowing it's continued development through donations and add revenues. They also owe us the respect to do what they say. Calling hacking a banable offense and then not banning for it is absurd. I am not happy they think peolple will put up with that kind of hypocrisy. I'm just biding my time waiting for something better.

Thank you Nilbog and Rogean for making me feel like shit because i respected your rules enough to follow them.

or, they could have kept everything secret or just deselected their "buddies" fromt the suspension list

just leave already

[OforOppression]

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