Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Slathar]

well?

[Feachie]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg9/Beatle619/JackSaysYes.gif

[Tiggle]

where is the wipe option

[Popt]

no

[Slathar]

no

pussy

[Popt]

:( i'll quit when kunark gets old and then play again when velious talks start happenin. not gonna let cheaters ruin my kunark experience

[Slathar]

its a close one folks. get your votes in before the pig deletes this important poll.

[Ennoia]

Having already quit months ago, I'll say I'm definitely not ever playing P99 again because of the .dll file bullshit. There will always be cheaters, some of them getting away with more than others.

[Slathar]

Having already quit months ago, I'll say I'm definitely not ever playing P99 again because of the .dll file bullshit. There will always be cheaters, some of them getting away with more than others.

because of security concerns?

[Tyen01]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg9/Beatle619/JackSaysYes.gif

Fechie is awesome

[Nuggie]

No, but I am going to take a break to see how all this plays out. Server wipe? Server shut down? Nothing? Guilds fall apart? Who knows? be back in a month to find out.

[Flavor]

well?

I'm clearly a trend setter having quit months ago over this very issue.

[Seaweedpimp]

No, but I am going to take a break to see how all this plays out. Server wipe? Server shut down? Nothing? Guilds fall apart? Who knows? be back in a month to find out.

I loled.

[Ennoia]

because of security concerns?

Yea, exactly because of security concerns. They had no right to have people download something like that without telling everyone EXACTLY what it is capable of.

[bakkily]

god damn

i've joined and been on the server since feb 2010, and at that time, they still had a server wide channel, soon few months after they took down, i belive in june, by july i hit lvl 40 and started to group more with the bigger guilds, ib, acension, divinity, few vd, all i can remember atm, but back then there still was some bullshit going on, but not as much puke and shit as there is now, i feel this servers going to still go on strong for a few years to come, right now everyones just acting up over stupid shit, so what if tr has/had? lock down on all the big mobs, and tmo to me got there shit together by working hard and getting things done, but after a week or two, i hope this all stops by next tuesday ect and everything/everyone calms down

people are still going to play new alts, though lvling from 1-20 sorta sucks, this is good this post is in rnf, because i just rolled a new alt, and its scarry grouping with some of the new people, but in the group i just try to encourage them on how the correct way things are done in eq, i'm a bit dissapointed the hard ass uth left, wasnt the biggest fan of him, but he didnt want to keep dealing with the many of you dipshits, umm the retards that retard them selves to keep playing in some childish mind set here, c'mon, i havnt ran into that many tr members, but the ones i have have treated me well besides for one monk, but to the point i do figure some times things are the dog eat dog scenario, but some here are still too immature to understand the idea of unity, and just trying to lend out a helping hand, like salty and harrison, c'mon, whats biting at your ass so bad to keep up the trash talk to each other and having to keep all the negativity here on forums? why ?!

but yea, im still going to play, and after ive gotten through a few weeks of school gonna hop back on my main and get back to raiding, to the rest of you who care to play, see you all in game, lets keep eq going, its the greatest experiance to play this game over any of the other mmo's

[Bardalicious]

Yea, exactly because of security concerns. They had no right to have people download something like that without telling everyone EXACTLY what it is capable of.

Fuck dude, get over it. If they had clued the general server population in on what the .dll was, then I guess they probably wouldn't have caught NEARLY as many of them hacking after implementing it, thus defeating the purpose.

You hidin' kiddie pr0n on your PC or something and don't wanna get caught? You sound pretty fucking adamant about degrading their anti-hack efforts considering you "quit months ago". If you're dumb enough to believe that they would patch the .dll to do anything outside of returning the file paths of eqgame.exe hooks, then you can keep the tinfoil hat on while I continue to laugh at you. As it is, they've done no damage nor caused any personal loss against anyone using the files, why would they cross a legal threshold later on and subject themselves to serious legal ramifications? Just to run a clean server? Laugh.

I don't know you in game but it's really odd to me that you don't play on the server yet you are so upset over something that has pushed this server in the right direction. Sort of like Ullaelalelaen crying about humanity in one forum section and saying he didn't get banned, that he quit and uninstalled, yet in another post the same day he's asking for help logging into the game in the Technical Discussion section. Just seems odd to me. What are you playing at here by bad mouthing the legality of the .dll if you don't even play here any more?

[Anger]

:( i'll quit when kunark gets old and then play again when velious talks start happenin. not gonna let cheaters ruin my kunark experience

Kunark isnt old yet?

News at 5.

[Waedawen]

CRoA erudites knocking down the towers eh?

I can't wait to tell Save these scrubs think he cheats hahaha

[RandySlopeJr]

yes, cause there no point in playing if the playing field is not fair. Would you buy a house in a subdivision that all your neighbors were thiefs and cheats?

[Raavak]

With Uthgaard gone and cheaters coming off their weak punishment I fear for the server.

[RandySlopeJr]

With Uthgaard gone and cheaters coming off their weak punishment I fear for the server.

I dont care I am pretty sure server will close within a week.

[Messianic]

With Uthgaard gone and cheaters coming off their weak punishment I fear for the server.

[RandySlopeJr]

server is doomed .....

[Barkingturtle]

With Uthgaard gone and cheaters coming off their weak punishment I fear for the server.

Agreed.

I'm taking a break, at least. The revelation that so many of you are cheaters and that Uthgaard was evidently not allowed to punish said cheaters as thoroughly as he'd have liked is really disturbing to me. We've watched for months as Uth meted justice with what seemed like total authority, but it sure looks like he was overruled this time, and that just smells bad to me. Smells like corruption and I'm not going to support a project I don't trust.

[RandySlopeJr]

Agreed.

I'm taking a break, at least. The revelation that so many of you are cheaters and that Uthgaard was evidently not allowed to punish said cheaters as thoroughly as he'd have liked is really disturbing to me. We've watched for months as Uth meted justice with what seemed like total authority, but it sure looks like he was overruled this time, and that just smells bad to me. Smells like corruption and I'm not going to support a project I don't trust.

way to go..Maybe D3

[xshayla701]

Fuck dude, get over it. If they had clued the general server population in on what the .dll was, then I guess they probably wouldn't have caught NEARLY as many of them hacking after implementing it, thus defeating the purpose.

Idk... if they had clued people in and told everyone what they were implementing, I feel like the smart cheaters would have stopped ackin and the dumb ones would have still gotten caught.

Kinda creeps me out that they didn't tell us what was in the updates and that so many of us (including me) blindly downloaded otherwise harmful files. But what the fuck do I know

[Waedawen]

So now that people are aware that this has been going on since... day 1 and that there are "so many cheaters" -Nevermind the 50,000 other instances of exploitation- the server is NOW going to die?

wut.

[Taryth]

Idk... if they had clued people in and told everyone what they were implementing, I feel like the smart cheaters would have stopped ackin and the dumb ones would have still gotten caught.

Kinda creeps me out that they didn't tell us what was in the updates and that so many of us (including me) blindly downloaded otherwise harmful files. But what the fuck do I know

Nope, you're an idiot for not trusting a stranger over the Internet.

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!


I quit; gave my gear to random newbs. If the server management is stupid enough to make this kind of move, and then NOT DELIVER after taking all that risk and violating so many peoples' trust, then I'd rather not play here. Especially after seeing the only dev with balls storm off because there wasn't a fair punishment.

[Tiggle]

they hacked into our systems illegally so they could suspend some people on a video game temporarily wuts wrong with that bro

[Tiggle]

it's like you've never been butt raped before

[Harrison]

Idk... if they had clued people in and told everyone what they were implementing, I feel like the smart cheaters would have stopped ackin and the dumb ones would have still gotten caught.

Kinda creeps me out that they didn't tell us what was in the updates and that so many of us (including me) blindly downloaded otherwise harmful files. But what the fuck do I know

The smart ones would have went around it. (or waited for someone to show them how, more likely)

[Skope]

Agreed.

I'm taking a break, at least. The revelation that so many of you are cheaters and that Uthgaard was evidently not allowed to punish said cheaters as thoroughly as he'd have liked is really disturbing to me. We've watched for months as Uth meted justice with what seemed like total authority, but it sure looks like he was overruled this time, and that just smells bad to me. Smells like corruption and I'm not going to support a project I don't trust.

yet again i have to agree with barkingturtle, even though his post is uncharacteristically void of grotesque sexual imagery.

[Feachie]

they hacked into our systems illegally so they could suspend some people on a video game temporarily wuts wrong with that bro

they used a method which can be used for more than they were using it for. there are safer ways, and i think that's why things are being changed.

[Skope]

ah, sorry. the answer is yes. i'm quitting because the GMs here, nilb0g and rogean, are what i was accusing uthgaard of in hopes of actually getting shit changed: pussies.

from div forums:

i enjoy the game too and i enjoy the folks in div, but that's not the issue. problem here is that i don't enjoy this server. if they can't even promote a level playing field after they catch cheaters red-handed then why should i bother? hell, why should anyone else bother? they just lost the 1 GM/dev that put in an amount of work that could only be matched by nilb0rg. we've never been TR or TMO, IB or DA, Trans or Fish Bait, but we knew in the end they would get theirs and the people that were the douchebags, cheaters, trainers and boxers would ultimately get caught while we'd still be around doing things the div way. It's not true. We were just kicked in the nuts

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[G13]

Nope, you're an idiot for not trusting a stranger over the Internet.

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!


I quit; gave my gear to random newbs. If the server management is stupid enough to make this kind of move, and then NOT DELIVER after taking all that risk and violating so many peoples' trust, then I'd rather not play here. Especially after seeing the only dev with balls storm off because there wasn't a fair punishment.

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

[Harrison]

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid.

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

[Skope]

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

it's been that way a while. they've also selectively done this with the rules as well and actually manufactured a server where cheating was beneficial to the players, and mostly raiders, since last year. whether there's a wipe or they ban them permanently or even start giving out pre-nerf fungi staffs in EC i don't see myself coming back.

[Zereh]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

^^ Could not have been said any better.

The server's integrity has always been questionable, at best. A loud and clear statement has been made about how things really work around here and it doesn't bode well for those not in the golden circle. There really isn't any room for doubt now. But I also subscribe to theory that its better to fight the devil you do know than the one you don't!


I'm sorry you were cornered into making the decision to leave, Uthgaard. You will most certainly be missed. <3

[mimixownzall]

I'm waitin on Red99

[SUSUGAM]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

[Bardalicious]

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!

The stealth inclusion of these files? Rofl. You download the fucking patch files and place them in your directory at your own risk. It's not like they ninja-installed them on you. Why do you do so? I'd assume because you:

A) Want to play here
B) Trust the integrity of the server
C) Trust the motives of those running it

It was pretty common fucking knowledge that they were working on anti-hack detection methods. Want to know what would have happened if they released those files and put a big disclaimer slapped across them saying "HEY GUISE WE CAN SEE WHAT PROGRAMS YOU ARE HOOKING INTO EQGAME.EXE WHEN U RUN THIS" ?? People would have stopped hacking. But not permanently. They would have stopped hacking long enough to find a work-around, then continued to hack again undetected anyways.

Nilbog, Rogean and Co. made a judgement call and I applaud them for it. You trust them enough that you play on their server. You trust them enough to know the IP you are connecting from. You trust them enough to send and receive data packets from the game application and their website. So why would you not trust their motives when it comes to a .dll file meant to out the people hacking that they'd not be able to with standard server-side detection methods?

You're pretty fucking naive or blatantly ignorant to believe they would have done anything else with that .dll, to face SEVERE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS over a service they provide you ungrateful shits FOR FREE. I find it outrageously convenient that THREE HUNDRED some people / accounts got busted then all of a sudden there is this vocal "uproar". Haters gonna hate I suppose. You get outted or what bro? Suspended / deleveled and this personal crusade is your way to cover for it? Seems logical I suppose.

Let me ask you something, since you're so upset over your privacy. Have you ever played WoW? Any other modern MMOs or online games? Most modern online game clients incorporate anti-hacking methods similar if not identical to what that .dll does that EverQuest simply does not use. Yet millions of people play them anyways without even knowing or giving second thought to it. If there was a nice big EULA specifically telling you that they were looking at the files affecting the game client, would that somehow make you feel better about it? Are you that mentally inept that you need a textual security blanket to wrap yourself up in? They aren't scanning your precious secret data. They are calling the file locations of things that are hooking INTO eqgame.exe - so unless you are hooking things that shouldn't be there in the first place, what's the big fucking deal?

Now, with that said - I do agree it's pretty fucking two-faced to have banned anyone in the past for using these things, then to find out 30% + of your active population was using it, so you slap them on the wrist and carry on business as usual

[mimixownzall]

****JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE****

When you play those other games, you are aware they are there. Or, at the least, hit an agreement which, if you read it before hitting accept, tells you about the anti-cheat software.

Me not being a cheater (on p99), I don't care what crap they hide as long as they don't mess with stuff outside of EQ.

[Taryth]

blah blah blah

Game company that can be held legally liable for any damages or invasions of privacy != random people on the Internet who've created an emu server. Two completely different things, so stop trying to make that comparison. Did you ever consider other people exploiting the .dll, or the server that stores all the data it collected from everyone? It's not necessarily the server staff that concerns me most.

I didn't say they installed it without my permission, I said "stealth inclusion of these files." Stealth, as in they didn't disclose their full purpose at the time of publishing. Idiot.

And no, I don't want to play here if the server management is going to make this kind of move, and doubly so for not using the data that was collected for any meaningful punishment. If you're fine with having someone violate your trust, regardless of the severity of the risks, that's fine. I don't like people acting on my behalf, or on my property, without my permission and understanding.


And guess what? Now they'll hack again . . .in a week or so! Because they'll find a workaround, just like they would've if the whole situation would've been upfront in the first place. The only difference is a lot less accounts would've gotten wrist-slaps. Oh noes. Back again to not punishing after taking such a stupid, rash action. There really is no defending that.

[Taryth]

also, go fuck yourself, I wasn't suspended, but that's very original of you to suggest such just because I disagree. Really intelligent.


I actually logged in today and yesterday to hand my gear out to people. ;)

[Slathar]

i dont have any desire to play anymore since the server is being abused by a certain person so they may live out their best guild fantasy 12 years late.

[Bardalicious]

Game company that can be held legally liable for any damages or invasions of privacy != random people on the Internet who've created an emu server. Two completely different things, so stop trying to make that comparison. Did you ever consider other people exploiting the .dll, or the server that stores all the data it collected from everyone? It's not necessarily the server staff that concerns me most.

As compared to people over the internet.... that have their REAL LIFE INFORMATION attached to this project in multiple ways... Just because they aren't a "game company" means we can't hold them legally liable for damage they cause? Are you really THIS fucking stupid? And what "data" that it collect from everyone? The location of their MQ2 or SEQ? HOLY SHIT CALL HOMELAND SECURITY BEFORE HAXXOR GETS TEH SENSITIVE DATA!!! They might see that I named my C: drive "PenisWanker" !!

I didn't say they installed it without my permission, I said "stealth inclusion of these files." Stealth, as in they didn't disclose their full purpose at the time of publishing. Idiot.

It's your fucking responsibility to look through the patch files when you are putting them on YOUR computer, especially if you're this much of a twat about your "privacy". The .dll's were obviously not there before. If you were that concerned you should have raised questions before using them, shouldn't you?

And no, I don't want to play here if the server management is going to make this kind of move.

Less crying, more quitting then.

And guess what? Now they'll hack again . . .in a week or so! Because they'll find a workaround, just like they would've if the whole situation would've been upfront in the first place. The only difference is a lot less accounts would've gotten wrist-slaps. Oh noes. Back again to not punishing after taking such a stupid, rash action. There really is no defending that.

I never defended the outcome of all of this. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Send dem bans flyin' bros.

[Tamiah2011]

As compared to people over the internet.... that have their REAL LIFE INFORMATION attached to this project in multiple ways... Just because they aren't a "game company" means we can't hold them legally liable for damage they cause? Are you really THIS fucking stupid? And what "data" that it collect from everyone? The location of their MQ2 or SEQ? HOLY SHIT CALL HOMELAND SECURITY BEFORE HAXXOR GETS TEH SENSITIVE DATA!!! They might see that I named my C: drive "PenisWanker" !!



It's your fucking responsibility to look through the patch files when you are putting them on YOUR computer, especially if you're this much of a twat about your "privacy". The .dll's were obviously not there before. If you were that concerned you should have raised questions before using them, shouldn't you?



Less crying, more quitting then.



I never defended the outcome of all of this. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Send dem bans flyin' bros.



Pay no attention to this complete noob..He only good for one thing OO#########jjjj###D

[G13]

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

You are incorrect in your assumptions. It's not my character that has intrinsic value. It's my time that has value. You're making an emotional assumption not based in logic. Regardless of what I do with my time, my time has value. One of the most fundamental principle of economics is about tradeoffs. You give something to get something.

Raiding on this server takes a lot of our time that could be productive elsewhere. We choose to spend it here, because we believe it's a worthwhile investment. For whatever reason. That's not what matters. What matters is we as a community choose to spend our time here, rather than somewhere else. That's called a tradeoff.

Uthgaard decided his time was valuable and better spent elsewhere. Players who have never cheated and played by the rules, might decide their time is better spent elsewhere. That if this is just going to a corrupt box, it's not worth the time investment.

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

You really need to take a step back and stop acting like a child. If you consider them "just pixels" that is your projection of your own insecurity. There are a lot of people who have been playing here for years, and dedicated a lot of their time to work as a team and form friendships within their respective guilds. The most important thing for the developers to do it is create a fair environment for all guilds to compete equally. To create an environment that encourages community. Otherwise what's the point? Why be here? Why have a server if it's just going to be a sandbox for a bunch of corrupt assholes who cheat to win? Might as well just rename it VZTZ and call it day.

By not banning these accounts the developers have made a statement. We don't value our server enough to take appropriate action. We don't value the community. You don't see Rogean taking any polls to see how the community he created cares do you. Why? Because he could give a shit. He's too busy putting the interest of his RL friends ahead of all of us and you know what? That's a bunch of fucking bullshit. Rogean and Nilbog made the server, that's true, but without any of us here to play on it, it's just an empty box.

If they want to make it a haven for cheaters and show favortism by not taking appropriate action against accounts that are freaking hacking than it might as BE a dead box.

[Zereh]

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

Shitbag guild?

How many officers of TMO were banned? I'll give you a hint: No fingers or toes will be needed to count them. The answer is zero. The non-officer players who were caught have been removed from the guild.

Now go ask other guilds what impact it had on their roster? More importantly ~ ask the guild who you so endlessly suck up to and defend ~ which officers from their guild were originally on the ban list created last weekend. Then ask that guild what they decided to do with those people that were flagged with hacks? Who did they remove from their guild for being caught at cheating?

You brag about having some connections, use them to answer this question truthfully: Who has had their bans lifted already? What guilds did they play with? What was their position in that guild?

And then I dare you to call DA/TMO a shitbag guild again with a straight face.

[Chanur]

Perhaps if they are back on the server they were never banned? Maybe they were suspended, or maybe just maybe they were nothing. No it MUST be corruption because you being wrong is inconceivable.

[Kinsawt]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

No one has had their bans lifted. Are you trying to say because the Trax account was online (our Talendor tracker) that we Perun wasn't/isn't suspended? I saw Durison on last night, are you guys still letting him logged in after he _just_ got an account suspended? Perun is still entirely gone, no one has come back, not Eashan, not Uuaellaen, not any of our apps our members. I'll take it it's the exact same for TMO's 15 accounts.

[Slathar]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

No one has had their bans lifted. Are you trying to say because the Trax account was online (our Talendor tracker) that we Perun wasn't/isn't suspended? I saw Durison on last night, are you guys still letting him logged in after he _just_ got an account suspended? Perun is still entirely gone, no one has come back, not Eashan, not Uuaellaen, not any of our apps our members. I'll take it it's the exact same for TMO's 15 accounts.



Durison doesnt play Winterfresh. More TR propaganda to take the shift off the fact their developer guild leader farms data from VP and doesnt develop shit except to live out his 12 year late best guild fantasy.

lol

[Tiggle]

Shitbag guild?

How many officers of TMO were banned? I'll give you a hint: No fingers or toes will be needed to count them.

So the ones accused of hacking and magically show up missing the same day all just coincidentally went on vacation that day or got caught in the hurricane after the fact?

wipe it clean

[Tyen01]

Durison doesnt play Winterfresh. More TR propaganda to take the shift off the fact their developer guild leader farms data from VP and doesnt develop shit except to live out his 12 year late best guild fantasy.

lol

If winterfresh's IP wasn't from texas, it was durison.

[Slathar]

If winterfresh's IP wasn't from texas, it was durison.

they both live in texas

[Tyen01]

they both live in texas

Durison and Fef live in michigan

[Slathar]

regardless

WIPE IT CLEAN LONG LIVE MAGISTRATE UTHGAARD

[Chanur]

regardless

WIPE IT CLEAN LONG LIVE MAGISTRATE UTHGAARD

Regardless of the facts RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

[Slathar]

Regardless of the facts RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

The above poster was banned for hacking and is a member of TR.

[purist]

Regardless of the facts RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

confirmed TR member suspended for cheating to the community

[G13]

Wait Zereh, you need to get all the details before you start making your guild look silly.

Winterfresh is gone, completely. He was being played by Durison, the Guild Leader of your guild. And he's not gone for training or some raid dispute, he's gone for 2-Boxing, cheating. Not an officer, a GL. That's 1 finger, same as us, same as VD.


You seem to be forgetting the precedent that has been set for these rules and punishments. Training or 2 boxing is not hacking. The punishment for those offenses has always been suspensions or account bans. That's an important distinction that you disingenuously ignored.

TR/IB officers in the past have trained DA raids. They were suspended. Not banned.

This server has a history. When a member of DA was caught using ShowEQ, his account was permanently banned and his GUILD was suspended from raiding. There was talk then of disbanding DA by development, and they were given a final warning, ONLY because it was a member, not an officer who was caught in the act. Members of the guild were outraged, and several people left the guild in disgust. I don't blame them either. Cheating should be discouraged, regardless. It's a cancer on the integrity of the server as a whole.

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild. If someone is banned for 2 boxing, the precedent is both accounts are banned. If you're caught using showEQ, you're banned and if it involves raiding, the guild suffers as well. Perun even admitted he was actively using ShowEQ during a competitive raid between TMO and TR. This is beyond refute.

It's a dangerous precedent to show a double standard. Your telling the players that's it's perfectly fine to break the rules and cheat. By allowing those members to reapp, you're sending the message that TR doesn't give a sh*t if you cheat. You've admitted publicly they can re-app, and I can guarantee that since Perun was an officer and tight with Xzerion, that he will be accepted back in the guild publicly with consternation, but privately with open arms, with promises of AOE groups plvling him to get his ass back up to 60 ASAP.

[Tyen01]

Winterfresh was not banned for using showEQ, nor was that account an officer of his guild.

I had my doubts. I believe durison boxed winterfresh when fef wasn't online.

Easily.

[deathgirl]

This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

sez big mister im quitting the game cause my wife lost the mith 2h in an internet d/c :p

[purist]

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

Man, it's so awesome how Xzerion's "zero tolerance for cheaters" and "I put the server first" policy has conveniently shifted to "you don't bail on your friends, it's bro code" when it came time to put his words where his mouth was.

A snake-oil salesman's level of integrity.

[Autotune]

Man, it's so awesome how Xzerion's "zero tolerance for cheaters" and "I put the server first" policy has conveniently shifted to "you don't bail on your friends, it's bro code" when it came time to put his words where his mouth was.

A snake-oil salesman's level of integrity.

[Slathar]

TR: "Ban DA from raiding and disband them for getting caught using illegal programs wahhhhhh!"

*13 TR members suspended/banned for using MQ while Xzerion steals data to give his guild an unfair advantage*

TR: "You're welcome to re-app (and use MQ2 again with our newly developed workaround), we don't bail on friends because we have a a double-standard set up by our cheating developer guild leader who uses this server as his private playground for our crack squad of diabetics to obtain pixels."

[Zereh]

I wasn't aware that the people who were caught cheating were given the exact details about what they were caught doing and when. Were they? And if so, I can only surmise that you have had a conversation with Winterfresh himself to understand the finer details of what went down with his account? Silly me. :rolleyes:

[Baxter]

And, again, everyone who was caught cheating is already removed from TR. All of them. They can re-app, because we don't straight up bail on friends. They make a mistake, we tell them to fess up, get their shit together and stop being stupid/bad, but you don't bail on your friends, you don't leave them out to dry for making a mistake.

Lol thats so funny, you're allowing them to "re-app". Cheaters of the server if you need a home TR would like to have you.

[Ring]

The Perun was only using SEQ once thing is the most hilarious shit I've seen yet. He picks an unverifiable fact as the basis for his whole apology and TR jumps on board believing it because it benefits their guild. A cheater can't possibly be a liar too right?

[Aviann]

Pause for a minute please.

All of you high end guilds suck until I actually get a naggy kill. I think everyone not in a high end guild agrees with me on this.


Now you can continue your crying about how much faggotry all of your guilds contain.

[superapan]

Retarded poll. P99 is (now) more legit than EQ Live ever was or will be. And people played plenty then. I'm amazed how the existance of ShowEQ-users could come as such a surprise to apparently EQ vets, and how appalled we all are by it.

Raging that people used to cheat, and that it now ruins their gaming experience seems like such a waste...

[Chanur]

confirmed TR member suspended for cheating to the community

If anyone that doesn't agree with you is the criteria for being a hacker and member of TR it is no wonder you have no proof. Fail all over the place. You are just mad a sympathetic dev quit.

[CooloToon]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg9/Beatle619/JackSaysYes.gif



Wow that one evil looking guy..