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Roofie
08-30-2011, 09:22 PM
http://vesicadei.com/forums/index.php?topic=2677.0

Ring
08-30-2011, 09:25 PM
Okay so after keeping this to Officer chat for 20 days and getting the shaft I feel you guys deserve an explanation of why I guild removed today.

Two months ago I let Anthrax borrow my ringed mace of the ykesha, The item was already removed from the game and worth about 75k.. He let me hold onto his Bloodpoint, Which I gave to Teddee to use... I moved and took some time off from the game, I returned to the game and tried to get my Ringed Mace back from him.. He said he wanted to get his bloodpoint back, Teddee wasnt around till about three weeks later.. Once I asked for it back.. he immediately met me and returned the item.. Unfortunately Anthrax/Metallikus did not..

His excuse was I rich and greedy and only wanted the item back because it was worth 150k+ now. After speaking with Senaiel and Cold and other officers it was apparent they werent going to do anything about this afraid to step on Anthrax toes. The discussion was dropped.

Today I spoke with him and told him to do the right thing. Making it clear I just wanted the item back someday.. He replied "Never is a long time"..

I refuse to be part of a guild that lets members steal and lie to each other while the officers stand by and do nothing.

Call me greedy, call me what you will. I've handed out countess items to members over the past year, helping whenever I could.

You did not loot it.. You didnt put in the man hours camping and fucking up your faction.. You're not entitled to something because you "Raid" eveyday. The guild did not give you the item. I did and you fucked me. Shame on me.

I was being nice and and got fucked in the end. It could have been any item.. You dont agree to borrow an item and then not return it.

Your word is garbage and you disrespected me. I kept this quiet but feel it should be known why I left.

The following is a conversation between Nil and I..

Nil - I don't see how we can help you. Deals made between players are just that.. deals between players.

Looking deeper, we wouldn't even be able to tell for what purpose you lent/gave them this weapon.

If this happened to me, however, I'd open up a rants and flames thread similar to your story above, and the community will justly punish their reputation.

-Roof

Originally Posted by Roofie
I would, but I fear for the reputation of the guild itself, Officers stealing items after they said Oh Yeah l'll give it back whenever, Just shows lack of Character and makes him look like a sleeze ball.. Who would want to app to a guild where officers lie and steal.. I appreciate the reply.

The dmg has been done.
Who would want to stay in a guild, where the officers lie and steal, and the guild leader covers up for them? :T That's how I see it.

Just like in eq live, we do not get involved people's personal affairs. Conversely, what if what you said here was fabricated, and we did delete the item, only to find out it was legitimately his. Non-intervention protects both parties.

Sorry for your loss.

Ring
08-30-2011, 09:27 PM
Anthrax is a piece of shit. This is old news, but as a respected RnF journalist, I like sources to cite.

johnny ringo
08-30-2011, 09:41 PM
that sucks bro, that mace would be uber DPS on VD's next naggy raid.

soup
08-30-2011, 09:48 PM
So some dude jacked you and then had the nerve to accuse you of being greedy?

rofl, what a douche bag

Pico
08-30-2011, 09:53 PM
read anthrax' defense post at least

and this is the same guy who was awarded one of those black dragon eye swords or whatever that caused a huge split in VD, and then didn't even pass on the ykesha mace the sword replaced to the guild

Knuckle
08-30-2011, 10:04 PM
thats what happens on blue servers, shows how thin loyalty is, such a shame never saw such sloven low lives in vztz, accounts were shared aplenty and gear was not ninjaed. unless it was between enemy guilds or sp!3s

Lazortag
08-30-2011, 10:05 PM
Does this really have to be public? Come on.

Roofie
08-30-2011, 10:06 PM
and this is the same guy who was awarded one of those black dragon eye swords or whatever that caused a huge split in VD, and then didn't even pass on the ykesha mace the sword replaced to the guild

Well then where the hell did my mace go? Because I sure as hell dont have it... And I wasnt "awarded" anything, 2 warriors rolled on it.. One lost and Rage Quit P99..

mitic
08-31-2011, 03:02 AM
open letters are pure win

Swishahouse
08-31-2011, 03:04 AM
TLDR make your bitching more concise next time...

William_Munny15
08-31-2011, 05:15 AM
Does this really have to be public? Come on.

You've been saying more and more dumb things as your time grows on the server, he wants to trash a reputation how else is he going to do so? Hand out flyers? What is your suggestion?

SUSUGAM
08-31-2011, 05:38 AM
pretty low move, even for pixels... but that's kinda how VD (and most guilds) go about helping their inner clique/officers. moral: dont give items to shitheads.

YendorLootmonkey
08-31-2011, 06:24 AM
Roofie, why do you expect VD leadership to act on a "he said-she said" situation? There is your side of the story, Anthrax's side of the story, and somewhere in between is probably what actually happened. For instance, in your own post, you're saying that VD officers lie and steal, trying to trash their reputation. Anthrax isn't an officer. (http://vesicadei.com/forums/index.php?topic=1843.0) He leads raids, but don't trash the officers in this situation please.

You both are grown adults, the expectation is to work it out amongst yourselves. It's goddamn pixels. If you both can't work it out on your own, if it makes up for the difference in the cost of the Ringed Mace vs the Bloodpoint, you can have all the plat in my bank... it's only 9K but it's a start. Holy shit, bros. Pixels.

Rais
08-31-2011, 08:39 AM
Anthrax isn't an officer. (http://vesicadei.com/forums/index.php?topic=1843.0) He tries to leads raids, but this monk named Bisch wrecks shit so hard, his alpha personality,non showeq using, pullers of pullers, dpspers of dpsers-self, takes over like a lunatic


I fixed some of that for you Yendor.

Tyen01
08-31-2011, 08:40 AM
All you people need to get a guild invite to Fish Bait to slay dragoons.

Roofie, you did not accept my invite in EC. This makes me sad.

Duie
08-31-2011, 09:04 AM
Keep in mind that Roofie wanted a colbalt bracer(hafling) over Anthrax(ogre) and another tank(ogre) "because the AC willl help me more"


you get no tears from me you Greedy little shit. Maybe when you had the chance to do what was best for the guild instead of you, this may have turned out better . As it stands now.... Pure fuckin Karma come to bite you in the ass.

Duie
08-31-2011, 09:17 AM
Oh and Cold



Grats, Thats one bad apple down! now to weed out the other MeMes!!!!

Roofie
08-31-2011, 01:20 PM
Keep in mind that Roofie wanted a colbalt bracer(hafling) over Anthrax(ogre) and another tank(ogre) "because the AC willl help me more"


LOL.. SOoo Im just gonna give Anthrax my loot when he's not there.. Duie you're a goon.

Wotsirb401
08-31-2011, 01:31 PM
Wow, I see tons of false information on that rant. Bigazz is the one who rage quit over the BBODE, get facts right at least

Ennoia
08-31-2011, 01:50 PM
Roofie, why do you expect VD leadership to act on a "he said-she said" situation? There is your side of the story, Anthrax's side of the story, and somewhere in between is probably what actually happened. For instance, in your own post, you're saying that VD officers lie and steal, trying to trash their reputation. Anthrax isn't an officer. (http://vesicadei.com/forums/index.php?topic=1843.0) He leads raids, but don't trash the officers in this situation please.

You both are grown adults, the expectation is to work it out amongst yourselves. It's goddamn pixels. If you both can't work it out on your own, if it makes up for the difference in the cost of the Ringed Mace vs the Bloodpoint, you can have all the plat in my bank... it's only 9K but it's a start. Holy shit, bros. Pixels.

Always funny when people say 'it's just pixels'...you're all playing the same fucking game and putting time into it. That's the only thing any of you are doing...hitting pixels with pixels to get more pixels to be able to hit pixels better...so you too are wasting your time then, right?

Eras
08-31-2011, 01:59 PM
Always funny when people say 'it's just pixels'...you're all playing the same fucking game and putting time into it. That's the only thing any of you are doing...hitting pixels with pixels to get more pixels to be able to hit pixels better...so you too are wasting your time then, right?

YUp we are all wasting time here, but with friends. Thats what MMO's are about, not the pixles the person on the other side of the connection is who you want to group with. If you only pick your group by what gear they have then, sadly, you are missing the whole point.

YendorLootmonkey
08-31-2011, 01:59 PM
Always funny when people say 'it's just pixels'...you're all playing the same fucking game and putting time into it. That's the only thing any of you are doing...hitting pixels with pixels to get more pixels to be able to hit pixels better...so you too are wasting your time then, right?

I play for fun and to chat with my guildmates. If I get some pixels, great. If I don't, I'm not gonna throw a shit fit about it or deguild over it.

In the end, after P99 is gone, no one is going to remember what loot you had. They will only remember their interactions with you and how you treated them, right? Well, and if you were one of the 365 cheaters... because, man, that shit should be written on one's tombstone!!1!1$%

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-31-2011, 02:06 PM
Blade of the Black Dragon Eye created drama.. much like the fungi staff did I am sure along with other items. Loot seems to do that and it shows perspective, or lack of it perhaps. People flipping out over one item or another when it was near impossible to ensure everyone had a Blade or whatever. All I tell people is patience we will make the effort on your behalf if you do on ours. Guilds handle loot internally and you are either ok with how they do things or you aren't. But you have to remember these are real people who invest our most precious resource, time. Without knowing all the he said she said if someone lends me an item that is truly theirs they get it back period the end.

Lazortag
08-31-2011, 02:13 PM
You've been saying more and more dumb things as your time grows on the server, he wants to trash a reputation how else is he going to do so? Hand out flyers? What is your suggestion?

Why would you react like this (and then tag up the thread) over such an innocuous post? All I'm saying is that the adult way to resolve disputes is to resolve them privately, not try to "trash a reputation". I think you should chill out.

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-31-2011, 02:18 PM
But if he tried the 'adult ' way what then? In his eyes he got screwed does he just let the bad guys (from his perspective to start) win? He sounds more frustrated and upset who reached the end of his options then someone who comes here first and flies off the handle.

Tyen01
08-31-2011, 02:20 PM
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Inviting all < Vesica Dei > pals


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Dravingar
08-31-2011, 02:21 PM
Keep in mind that Roofie wanted a colbalt bracer(hafling) over Anthrax(ogre) and another tank(ogre) "because the AC willl help me more"


Halflings should get all the loot because they look sexy as hell.

Vorrath
08-31-2011, 02:25 PM
If you're lucky enough to win a Blade of the Black Dragon Eye from your guild, why the hell would you worry about a Ringed Mace of the Yheksha?

Did the guild ever ask you to give the BoTBDE back if you're leaving it?

The guild probably put in more time to get one of those blades then it did for you to get your Ringed Mace.

Take your head out of your ass and stop bitching about an item that recently blew up in price.

Don't give an item away only to turn around and ask for it back.

TR Spokesman
08-31-2011, 02:29 PM
If you're lucky enough to win a Blade of the Black Dragon Eye from your guild, why the hell would you worry about a Ringed Mace of the Yheksha?

Did the guild ever ask you to give the BoTBDE back if you're leaving it?

The guild probably put in more time to get one of those blades then it did for you to get your Ringed Mace.

Take your head out of your ass and stop bitching about an item that recently blew up in price.

Don't give an item away only to turn around and ask for it back.

well hello there ringed mace jacker.

Tyen01
08-31-2011, 02:31 PM
Don't give an item away only to turn around and ask for it back.

I let NUMEROUS people borrow over 5 manastones and 3 rubicite BPs for about 2-3 months at a time.

If I get none of them back I would be calling my guild a bunch of faggots too.


Don't act like the dude just gave something away like he was selling it.

Mardur
08-31-2011, 02:33 PM
Roofie spent many days training and KSing people exping in Karnors to earn that mace!

Vorrath
08-31-2011, 02:34 PM
lol I don't own any RMoYs just fueling the fires of young halflings!

Tyen01
08-31-2011, 02:45 PM
Roofie spent many days training and KSing people exping in Karnors to earn that mace!

I don't see the problem~

Dantes
08-31-2011, 05:52 PM
If you're lucky enough to win a Blade of the Black Dragon Eye from your guild, why the hell would you worry about a Ringed Mace of the Yheksha?

Off-hand. They're the best aggro generating weapons in the game.

Dantes
08-31-2011, 05:53 PM
Shoulda let me borrow it, Roof, I'd be giving it back :p

Ring
08-31-2011, 06:06 PM
I play for fun and to chat with my guildmates. If I get some pixels, great. If I don't, I'm not gonna throw a shit fit about it or deguild over it.

In the end, after P99 is gone, no one is going to remember what loot you had. They will only remember their interactions with you and how you treated them, right? Well, and if you were one of the 365 cheaters... because, man, that shit should be written on one's tombstone!!1!1$%

A more popular member openly steals from another member and you do nothing. I hope from now on you can shut the fuck up with the moral lectures you piece of shit.

Curtoph
08-31-2011, 06:07 PM
Off-hand. They're the best aggro generating weapons in the game.

He already has one in his offhand.

Roofie
08-31-2011, 06:07 PM
Shoulda let me borrow it, Roof, I'd be giving it back :p

I know bud. Dont worry about it..
:rolleyes:

Tiggles
08-31-2011, 06:13 PM
A more popular member openly steals from another member and you do nothing. I hope from now on you can shut the fuck up with the moral lectures you piece of shit.

I'm disappointed young yendor.

Moonface
08-31-2011, 06:14 PM
I know bud. Dont worry about it..
:rolleyes:

don't lend shit out unless you
A) don't care if you gets jacked
B) you can walk to their house and kick their ass

YendorLootmonkey
08-31-2011, 06:30 PM
A more popular member openly steals from another member and you do nothing. I hope from now on you can shut the fuck up with the moral lectures you piece of shit.

One side has his story, one side has another. I was not privy to the conversation they had, unfortunately. Do you expect me to just magically come to a conclusion on who was speaking the truth based on two separate versions? Yes or no.

The only players that can confirm the conversations involving this situation are Teeroy or the people in our Vent server when the conversation with Roofie and Anthrax supposedly take place. If one of those people can come in and confirm one way or another, then I'm sure the denizens of RNF will take care of the rest.

But it still stands: It's just pixels, and they're two adults that are expected to work it out on their own. The guild leadership cannot be held responsible for knowing every transaction between guild members, especially in a "he said - she said" situation such as this one.

Ennoia
08-31-2011, 06:33 PM
YUp we are all wasting time here, but with friends. Thats what MMO's are about, not the pixles the person on the other side of the connection is who you want to group with. If you only pick your group by what gear they have then, sadly, you are missing the whole point.

Sarcasm didn't travel well over text. Was calling Yendor an idiot for using the 'pixels' excuse, as EQ is way more than just about the loot.

I play for fun and to chat with my guildmates. If I get some pixels, great. If I don't, I'm not gonna throw a shit fit about it or deguild over it.

In the end, after P99 is gone, no one is going to remember what loot you had. They will only remember their interactions with you and how you treated them, right? Well, and if you were one of the 365 cheaters... because, man, that shit should be written on one's tombstone!!1!1$%

Not true at all. Everyone from Brell remembers this one Necromancer who had an Ifir...

Spenny121
08-31-2011, 06:44 PM
I don't really see how anyone can defend the guy who took the mace. There's no need to look into stories of who has a black blade or how he got it because its not relevant to this piece of trash not giving something back that he was loaned.

He won both, they're both his, if you take one as a loan and don't give it back, you're a douche.

Metallikus
08-31-2011, 06:46 PM
"openly steals"

Chronilogically:

Roofie causes Bigazz to leave the guild after aquiring blade of the black dragon eye by sending tauntful tells about winning. (Roofie was known as the lootwhore who calls NEED on items in guild groups and later auctions them in EC - how do u think he got his two maces)

Metallikus changes mains to Anthrax to fill the gaping hole left because of our tank leaving.

Roofie and Anthrax trade bloodpoint for ringed mace. This was not meant to be permanent. Items priced at 20k and 40k respectively. In fact roofie wanted to sell the mace to me straight up for 40 at teh time.

Time passes and come to find out Roofie has given the bloodpoint to another member Teddee stating "he needed it, you can get another".

This situation was later alleviated when Teeroy had a man to man talk with Roofie about his lootwhoring ways where Roofie agreed that in the best interest of the guild, since the bloodpoint was given away and Teddee hadnt logged on in some time, that he would just donate the ringed mace to the guild's main tank(anthrax) in order to gain some favor with the guild and thus purchased his generous label. We all thanked Roofie in vent and I had given Roofie credit for his generosity at every instance anyone asked where i got the ringed mace. He of course wanted a little extra compensation in the amount of 10k to be thrown his way for teh difference in items. At teh time I said no thanks, you got tons more plat, you aint hurting. it was laughed off as if no big deal.
There has been no mention from him in getting his mace back from this time until he got back from his most recent vacation from the game in which the item in question has shot up in price by more than 100k plat. He tells me that I should be obligated to give him a heiro cloak or equal value to make up for the amount of PP he lost in teh transaction months earlier. i tell him straight up, wtf bro, dont be a indian giver, you donated this item in order to gain favor with the guild over the bigazz incident where you got the Botbde.
He later finds that Teddee is online with the bloodpoint, goes to him and demands it back, and tries to offer the trade back bloodpoint for ringed mace.
I tell him hes basically being an asshole by taking Teddee's bp away so he could get his mace back since roofie has millions in plat in items on himself and alts that he constantly brags about. i tried to convince him that he doesnt have to be this greedy and that he shouldnt go back on his contribution to the guild.
I made a post to the officers for advice on the subject in which Senaiel said he would handle the situation. It apparently was not handled or maybe it was. Maybe his intent was for Roofie to leave the guild. I still don't understand what urgency Roofie had with trying to aquire the ringed mace back right now except only to handicap one of our two most reliable options for tanks for raids or that it's price was peaking in EC.
I guess the thing in my defense was that i was lead to beleive the item was no longer his when he gave my item away as if it was his own to give and the fact that he donated the item to me in a good will gesture to gain favor with the guild.

Spenny121
08-31-2011, 06:46 PM
I don't really see how anyone can defend the guy who took the mace. There's no need to look into stories of who has a black blade or how he got it because its not relevant to this piece of trash not giving something back that he was loaned.

He won both, they're both his, if you take one as a loan and don't give it back, you're a douche.

This would be the same as me letting my buddy borrow my car because I'm going out to buy a new one. I buy my new Porsche and he says he won't give the car I loaned him back because I have something better now.

Anthrax sounds like a real cock sucker.

Ring
08-31-2011, 06:55 PM
One side has his story, one side has another. I was not privy to the conversation they had, unfortunately. Do you expect me to just magically come to a conclusion on who was speaking the truth based on two separate versions? Yes or no.

The only players that can confirm the conversations involving this situation are Teeroy or the people in our Vent server when the conversation with Roofie and Anthrax supposedly take place. If one of those people can come in and confirm one way or another, then I'm sure the denizens of RNF will take care of the rest.

But it still stands: It's just pixels, and they're two adults that are expected to work it out on their own. The guild leadership cannot be held responsible for knowing every transaction between guild members, especially in a "he said - she said" situation such as this one.

Of course it's a he said she said situation. Did you expect Roofie to take screenshots or log their conversation when he's loaning out an item to a guild member? Anthrax can lie his ass off and and your ineffectual leadership will just go WELP! How can we possible establish the truth here?! Nothing gets done, sorry!

I'm going to just blame your guild leader being a woman. They are not capable leaders and this proves it.

Metallikus
08-31-2011, 07:01 PM
This would be the same as me letting my buddy borrow my car because I'm going out to buy a new one. I buy my new Porsche and he says he won't give the car I loaned him back because I have something better now.


its more like you and me trade video games. You give mine away to another friend and tell me oh its ok you can keep the one i gave you. 3 months later you give me a call and say "that game i gave u is rare as shit now and i could get mass $$ for it, so Im gonna need that back".

Kassel
08-31-2011, 07:06 PM
I think the biggest issue with this whole deal is that the BOTBDE did not go to rogue at the raid =D

HawkMasterson1999
08-31-2011, 07:14 PM
Dick move.

EkireiTheNecro
08-31-2011, 07:20 PM
thats what happens on blue servers, shows how thin loyalty is, such a shame never saw such sloven low lives in vztz, accounts were shared aplenty and gear was not ninjaed. unless it was between enemy guilds or sp!3s

For real. Nobody would ever pull this back in the day on Tallon Zek.

They would have guildremoved and corpsecamped in shifts til all their gear decayed for doing so.

Chanur
08-31-2011, 07:26 PM
One side has his story, one side has another. I was not privy to the conversation they had, unfortunately. Do you expect me to just magically come to a conclusion on who was speaking the truth based on two separate versions? Yes or no.

The only players that can confirm the conversations involving this situation are Teeroy or the people in our Vent server when the conversation with Roofie and Anthrax supposedly take place. If one of those people can come in and confirm one way or another, then I'm sure the denizens of RNF will take care of the rest.

But it still stands: It's just pixels, and they're two adults that are expected to work it out on their own. The guild leadership cannot be held responsible for knowing every transaction between guild members, especially in a "he said - she said" situation such as this one.

Actually guilds should be responsible for transactions between members. Clearly this guy wants his mace back, the member should be told to give it back or booted on the spot. There is really no way around it, if its just pixels and not such a big deal, he should just give it back. This frankly makes your guild look like trash and is not worth the hassle.

Mardur
08-31-2011, 07:29 PM
its more like you and me trade video games. You give mine away to another friend and tell me oh its ok you can keep the one i gave you. 3 months later you give me a call and say "that game i gave u is rare as shit now and i could get mass $$ for it, so Im gonna need that back".

I don't see how these two situations are different at all. It's his fucking game you borrowed, don't be a cockmongler and give it back regardless of its value.

Christ, I really wonder about some people's upbringings.

Mardur
08-31-2011, 07:30 PM
Despite not being the sharpest tool in the shed, it's Roofie's mace through and through. Of course this is an EQEmu server so there's jack and shit he can do about it. But you should just be aware that you're probably a terrible person.

Chanur
08-31-2011, 07:43 PM
its more like you and me trade video games. You give mine away to another friend and tell me oh its ok you can keep the one i gave you. 3 months later you give me a call and say "that game i gave u is rare as shit now and i could get mass $$ for it, so Im gonna need that back".

I hope your mother knows her son is a worthless thief.

YendorLootmonkey
08-31-2011, 07:52 PM
After going for a ride in my Ford Ranger, picking up some Ranger Pale Ale, and knocking one back while watching a re-run of Walker, Texas Ranger, I decided that if I were in charge, I would offer the following:

"Roofie, in the absence of evidence whether the mace was loaned or given as a gesture of good will, we absolutely respect the time and effort you put into camping the mace of which, for whatever reason, you no longer have possession. We also absolutely respect the time and effort the guild put into camping juggs/reets, getting a BOTBDE, and letting you /random on it with the implication that such a class-defining weapon would stay in the guild for use on raids. In mutual respect for each other's time and effort, we will exchange the mace you earned to which you no longer have access for the BOTBDE that the guild earned to which we no longer have access."

Probably not the least dickish decision, but that'll answer real quick about whether it's about the time and effort lost, or the $$$. :P

You're all assuming Roofie loaned it based on Roofie's story, in which case, yes, Anthrax should give it back, I absolutely agree. Anthrax's version is that it was given to the guild (more specifically, Anthrax) to use because of a bunch of pixel-related drama the BOTBDE caused that I'm not going to re-hash here. News flash, P99 trolls... what gets posted on P99 isn't always de facto truth.

I don't know which side is correct, neither do the VD officers (except Teeroy), nor does Coldblooded. Trust me, the easiest way to resolve this would be to claim that I was in Vent for the conversation Roofie and Anthrax had, and confirm one way or the other how it really went down. But I'm not going to do that, because I wasn't in Vent that night.

Mardur
08-31-2011, 07:58 PM
Anthrax's story turned to shit when he brought up the game borrowing analogy to justify thievery.

john_savage1982
08-31-2011, 08:10 PM
Another reason in a long list for why I don't play this game anymore. Everybody here is no better than Anthrax. People here will do anything to relive the glory days of "being on top" in classic EQ. Probably because most of you never were.

Nineran
08-31-2011, 08:30 PM
I am here to put in a good word for the character of Anthrax, regardless of who you think is right or wrong. I have seen people on both sides of this equation make very strong points as to why their side is right. I just can't sit by and watch anyone beat on Anthrax's character after I have gotten to know this guy.

This guy has busted his ass being a fantastic cleric, or fantastic tank whenever someone needs it. He is generous to fellow members and others on the server. He is there to help at the drop of the hat. He has done nothing to ever deserve one person knocking his character. This is the number 1 guy that I would pick to have at my side in a group.

Roofie got fucked. He generously loaned out his weapon and when he wanted it back, it wasn't returned, even when offered the original loan item.

Roofie fucked Vesica Dei. They loaded him up with gear including a BoBDE only to have him randomly disappear and never return the favor of gear , prior to or after, in terms of quality dedicated tanking for the guild. He antagonized members in a delicate situation that lost the guild multiple high value players.

Strategically the Vesica Dei absolutely made a wise decision in keeping the RMoY on Anthrax, especially after they effectively destroyed a BoBDE by giving it to Roofie.

But it doesn't change that Roofie loaned out a weapon that was of Six Times (Maybe more? I'm not sure what the value difference between RMoY and Blood point is) of what he receive in return, and its very legitimate to feel like he got the raw end of the and want the item back. Its not Indian giving if you originally arranged to get it back.

Both sides acted poorly in certain areas. Both sides acted correctly in certain areas.

But, no one should be coming down on Anthrax for this. He wasn't trying to hide it, he went to the officers and said this is whats going on. He made the decision in conjunction with them and what was best for the highest amount of people, and they came to a conclusion.

Roofie's character shouldn't get beat up because he wants the weapon back.

Anthrax's character shouldn't get beat up, because a trade was arranged by the officers and he was told it would be handled so he could keep it.

Its a no win situation now that RMoYs or BoBDE no longer drop. Each side has taken their lumps, time to part ways, agreeing to disagree, without holding a grudge. Neither person's character or reputation should be in the garbage.

Chanur
08-31-2011, 08:35 PM
Vesica Dei is shitty guild apparently. They have no problem with members stealing from each other, and then leaders coming here taunting said victim.

Chanur
08-31-2011, 08:39 PM
Oh and to the idiots complaining how VD got fucked, if you had addressed this you would still have your member and would not have been fucked. VD you fucked yourself, and masturbation is a good time.

Hoggen
08-31-2011, 08:40 PM
Your daughter kick my dog, and now it needs operation.

Nineran
08-31-2011, 08:52 PM
Chanur. Did you even read the post?

Cause your comment was an astounding failure.

Roofie didn't fuck them by leaving the guild, he fucked them well before. Handing back the RMoY, wouldn't leave them anymore or less fucked by him.

YendorLootmonkey
08-31-2011, 08:55 PM
Chanur. Did you even read the post?

Cause your comment was an astounding failure.

Roofie didn't fuck them by leaving the guild, he fucked them well before. Handing back the RMoY, wouldn't leave them anymore or less fucked by him.

You're being trolled, Nineran :)

Feachie
08-31-2011, 08:57 PM
http://charterfishohio.com/img/walleye_trolling.jpg

Nineran
08-31-2011, 08:58 PM
Yes, but I kicked him back to his cave. Refer to my post on what is, and how to beat a troll.

Feachie
08-31-2011, 08:59 PM
you can't beat a troll with logic

Nineran
08-31-2011, 09:03 PM
Its funny, just happened. ; )

Feachie
08-31-2011, 09:07 PM
well, you keep at it then. pretty sure he closed his browser and walked off before you wrote that though, so... has fled from duel?

also http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9303/eq000050.jpg

Mardur
08-31-2011, 10:09 PM
I've got a RMotY and a BotBDE. Come at me.

purist
08-31-2011, 10:26 PM
my penis

Ring
08-31-2011, 11:10 PM
You're being trolled, Nineran :)

Actually Chanur is right. Your guild is a piece of shit and you're a piece of shit :)

Good job letting thievery go uncheck "for the good of the guild". Everyone please join VD and know that your items might be stolen with no recourse if one of the officers sides in favor of their friend.

Nineran
08-31-2011, 11:16 PM
Uggg!!! There are no good trolls tonight.

At least throw me a decent argument. Throw a few punches, make me at least move. Force me to throw up some defenses.


Your guild is a piece of shit and you're a piece of shit :)



I want a real fight. Look your post over, see whats wrong, correct it, than come at me.

YendorLootmonkey
08-31-2011, 11:28 PM
Actually Chanur is right. Your guild is a piece of shit and you're a piece of shit :)

Your lil troll smiley face warms my heart. :)

deathgirl
09-01-2011, 12:37 AM
I have distinct disfond memories of Metallikus from my very first sky raid. jerks gunna jerk :rolleyes:

visage
09-01-2011, 04:57 AM
read anthrax' defense post at least

and this is the same guy who was awarded one of those black dragon eye swords or whatever that caused a huge split in VD, and then didn't even pass on the ykesha mace the sword replaced to the guild

I want to seminate all over you

visage
09-01-2011, 05:01 AM
Uggg!!! There are no good trolls tonight.

At least throw me a decent argument. Throw a few punches, make me at least move. Force me to throw up some defenses.




I want a real fight. Look your post over, see whats wrong, correct it, than come at me.


Your butt or mine?

Aenor
09-01-2011, 05:21 AM
thats what happens on blue servers, shows how thin loyalty is, such a shame never saw such sloven low lives in vztz, accounts were shared aplenty and gear was not ninjaed. unless it was between enemy guilds or sp!3s

Yeah but the difference is that pixels on P99 have a greater deal of persistence than pixels on VZTZ. Knowing that the box you're grinding on can and will be wiped every 12-24 months, who gives a shit about pixels? On a server where you know it's built to last, it means a lot more.

Roofie
09-01-2011, 01:52 PM
"openly steals"

Roofie causes Bigazz to leave the guild after aquiring blade of the black dragon eye by sending tauntful tells about winning. (Roofie was known as the lootwhore who calls NEED on items in guild groups and later auctions them in EC - how do u think he got his two maces)

I guess the thing in my defense was that i was lead to beleive the item was no longer his when he gave my item away as if it was his own to give and the fact that he donated the item to me in a good will gesture to gain favor with the guild.

I'm taking this shit to Maury.. Polygraphs all around. You knew the deal. I loaned you a mace and handed Teddee your bloodpoint while I went away for 2 months.. Send Teddee tells and see how he feels about you. You're scum. Its hard to read your "story" because honestly thats all it is.. Fiction.. Good story bro.

We all see you for what you really are. Your secret is no longer a secret.

ElanoraBryght
09-01-2011, 02:22 PM
And Anthrax handed me the mace and I'm sitting in EC waiting for you to come pick it up.
Log in when you get done here.

Asher
09-01-2011, 02:44 PM
awww. A happy ending to the jacking.

Gratz to all involved.

Asher

Fuzzlecutter 5000
09-01-2011, 02:46 PM
sorry he stole your item friend. are you looking for a real guild that kills dragons :) go to www.themysticalorder.net, we usually kill one or more dragons a week.

Maultriss
09-01-2011, 03:01 PM
If anyone is looking for one at a "fell off the back of a truck" price, hang out in the tunnel over the next few days.

Metallikus
09-01-2011, 04:25 PM
I'm taking this shit to Maury.. Polygraphs all around. You knew the deal. I loaned you a mace and handed Teddee your bloodpoint while I went away for 2 months.. Send Teddee tells and see how he feels about you. You're scum. Its hard to read your "story" because honestly thats all it is.. Fiction.. Good story bro.

We all see you for what you really are. Your secret is no longer a secret.

How could he hate me when you you gave him a bloodpoint (that apparently you thought was yours to give) and then as soon as he logged on you went and got it back from him all on your own accord? I never asked for it. I had a ringed mace. That is until all of a sudden me and teddee saw a giant string attached to the end of these gifts tied to the greediest little halfling in EQ.

Feachie
09-01-2011, 04:48 PM
all i see is a guy lending a mace to you that he didn't need at the time, and entrusting a bloodpoint belonging to you to a guildie (why are you mad about this btw? don't you trust your guildies? your guildie trusted you with a ringed mace). halfling takes a break, even if he kept the bloodpoint you wouldn't have seen it anyway.

he's greedy trying to get your item back to you, and his item back? are you saying you've never forgotten a single thing in your life? possibly your memory of the night you got the mace might be wrong. maybe the halfling didn't make it clear. who knows

here's something to consider; if it wasn't so valuable maybe you wouldn't care so much about it.

reba
09-01-2011, 05:45 PM
lol yeah there you go man! just join TMO dude!

sorry he stole your item friend. are you looking for a real guild that kills dragons :) go to www.themysticalorder.net, we usually kill one or more dragons a week.

JenJen
09-01-2011, 05:48 PM
feachie how the hell have you over taken my post count??

JenJen
09-01-2011, 05:49 PM
i understand that is a ridiculous question.

Alex
09-01-2011, 05:55 PM
feachie how the hell have you over taken my post count??

Damn, she blew past it

Feachie
09-01-2011, 06:26 PM
feachie how the hell have you over taken my post count??

come out of rnf once in a while.

i passed it during the bannination bullshit, lots of posts in server chat that count towards your post count.

Chanur
09-01-2011, 07:05 PM
Good job getting everything taken care of. Sorry VD chose the retarded path first.

Bubbles
09-01-2011, 07:35 PM
Good job getting everything taken care of. Sorry VD chose the retarded path first.

heh.

abedog
09-01-2011, 08:14 PM
here's something to consider; if it wasn't so valuable maybe you wouldn't care so much about it.


It took a public shaming and weeks to do what would have taken 5 minutes for those low life "sinners" to do, guess what that makes you? :rolleyes:

Feachie
09-01-2011, 08:42 PM
It took a public shaming and weeks to do what would have taken 5 minutes for those low life "sinners" to do, guess what that makes you? :rolleyes:

the only thing that this makes you is "confused"

what the fuck are you talking about?

Knuckle
09-01-2011, 09:05 PM
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Metallikus
09-01-2011, 10:46 PM
It took a public shaming and weeks to do what would have taken 5 minutes for those low life "sinners" to do, guess what that makes you? :rolleyes:

Addition by subtraction.

abedog
09-01-2011, 11:49 PM
im totally hearing the lyrics " YOU PROBABLY THINK THIS SONG IS ABOUT YOU"

Rais
09-02-2011, 12:32 AM
What I just got out of the last few posts....