Let's keep talking about how Hasbinbad was banned.

[Hasbinbad]

..because that is 100% true.

[Slathar]

fat

[Excellio]

Who is Hasinbad?

[Seaweedpimp]

wb hbb

[RandySlopeJr]

..because that is 100% true.

Dont think your smart enough to hack ..

[Loly Taa]

You weren't banned...

but one of your most integral officers (Perun/Trax) was suspended...

Uuallean was _actually_ banned

Franswa, one of those pullers that took so many raid mobs from us was suspended.

Still think I'm stupid? You and I both knew this was coming dear.

[purist]

integral TR officers + members proven to be cheating scumbags and probable convicted sex offenders

Xzerion, ball is in your court bro

[Fraggle]

Franswa, one of those pullers that took so many raid mobs from us was suspended.

Wrong.

Still think I'm stupid?

Is this a rhetorical question?

[Gwence]

You weren't banned...

but one of your most integral officers (Perun/Trax) was suspended...

Uuallean was _actually_ banned

Franswa, one of those pullers that took so many raid mobs from us was suspended.

Still think I'm stupid? You and I both knew this was coming dear.

lol yes, more than ever.

[Loly Taa]

Wrong.



Is this a rhetorical question?

Prove me wrong? Log in and send me a tell Franswa- or any of your guildies with access to him. If I am wrong I will honestly and fully admit to it. I'm here ingame right now, /msg Loly

[Excellio]

Someone needs to take a moment to write a post that breaks down this whole thing for me. What is TMO? I'm presuming it's a guild, but of the people involved in this incident, which are members of TMO? And which guilds were disbanded for cheating? And to which guild does this Randyslopejr guy belong? I'm assuming his guild faced some kind of punishment for cheating, and he's upset because TMO did not?

[RandySlopeJr]

You weren't banned...

but one of your most integral officers (Perun/Trax) was suspended...

Uuallean was _actually_ banned

Franswa, one of those pullers that took so many raid mobs from us was suspended.

Still think I'm stupid? You and I both knew this was coming dear.



Wonders why Uuallean left your guild?

[Slathar]

lol yes, more than ever.

This poster was an officer of IB (guild before they absorbed 300 Eurotrash members) and was suspended multiple times for training.

[RandySlopeJr]

Someone needs to take a moment to write a post that breaks down this whole thing for me. What is TMO? I'm presuming it's a guild, but of the people involved in this incident, which are members of TMO? And which guilds were disbanded for cheating? And to which guild does this Randyslopejr guy belong? I'm assuming his guild faced some kind of punishment for cheating, and he's upset because TMO did not?

Yes I am upset cause TMO being cheating since they were lvl 1 and yet there no disbanded yet..

[Excellio]

Yes I am upset cause TMO being cheating since they were lvl 1 and yet there no disbanded yet..

Okay, is it common practice to disband a guild when it's revealed that any of their members have cheated?

[RandySlopeJr]

This poster was an officer of IB (guild before they absorbed 300 Eurotrash members) and was suspended multiple times for training.



So question is again WHY wasnt TMO disband for a more major crime to server?

[purist]

have you seen this man?

internet alias: daltheb

last seen: hurling himself into hurricane irene

additoinal info: fell into deep depression after getting banned from an everquest emulator server for being a cheating piece of shit

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/c/c0/White_knighta.jpg

[Slathar]

have you seen this man?

internet alias: daltheb

last seen: hurling himself into hurricane irene

additoinal info: fell into deep depression after getting banned from an everquest emulator server for being a cheating piece of shit

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/c/c0/White_knighta.jpg

lol'd really hard

[Loly Taa]

So question is again WHY wasnt TMO disband for a more major crime to server?

because it never happened, outside of your own mind-

Did I mention you should seek therapy?

[Knuckle]

have you seen this man?

internet alias: daltheb

last seen: hurling himself into hurricane irene

additoinal info: fell into deep depression after getting banned from an everquest emulator server for being a cheating piece of shit

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/c/c0/White_knighta.jpg

ROFL

[Evorix]

What up hasbinslut

[RandySlopeJr]

because it never happened, outside of your own mind-

Did I mention you should seek therapy?

you mad, maybe you need to spend more time getting a diploma and a good job then playing EQ.~loser

[RandySlopeJr]

Okay, is it common practice to disband a guild when it's revealed that any of their members have cheated?

If you would of read the notes Rogean left on P1999 front page, you would know the answer to that.

[Threepoint]

hasbinbad hasbinbanned

[Excellio]

If you would of read the notes Rogean left on P1999 front page, you would know the answer to that.

Well, I did not read these notes, so I don't know the answer to that.

Seriously, why are you taking it so personally that TMO wasn't disbanded? Why is that big of a deal to you personally?

[Hasbinbad]

What up hasbinslut
What's up sweetie pie, how's life?

[Alarti0001]

Yes I am upset cause TMO being cheating since they were lvl 1 and yet there no disbanded yet..

No guild levels in this game

[Hagglebaron]

Randy is clearly a mongoloid, reasoning with him will do little good.

[Stibe]

Yes I am upset cause TMO being cheating since they were lvl 1 and yet there no disbanded yet..

"...and much harsher options were considered, including actions taken against guilds that had many of these accounts in them (even to the point of being disbanded)."



Learn2read. No guilds got disbanded for having cheaters in them.

[Glitch]

omg evorix is alive?

[Appollo]

I love me some Hasbinbad. Evorix, I love you too.

[Pico]

hasbinbad banned for licking aborted toads

[Loly Taa]

hasbinbad banned for licking aborted toads

[Doors]

hasbinbad banned for licking aborted toads

[DurisonTMO]

I'm not how the members of my guild got the impression that the "STAY THE FUCK OUT OF RANTS AND FLAMES" policy had been lifted, but it hasn't. Consider this your final warning.

[Harrison]

I'm not how the members of my guild got the impression that the "STAY THE FUCK OUT OF RANTS AND FLAMES" policy had been lifted, but it hasn't. Consider this your final warning.

Lol shut the fuck up

[eastadam55]

lol the tags "paid gms to unsuspend"

[Loly Taa]

I'm not how the members of my guild got the impression that the "STAY THE FUCK OUT OF RANTS AND FLAMES" policy had been lifted, but it hasn't. Consider this your final warning.

I remember people being banned for impersonating other people on the server. That's how Tamiah got her 1 month suspension!!!


btw dewds, if someone comes into RnF with less than 10 posts as a copy of a well known figure, believing it's them is as derp as TR having Perun as an officer.

[DurisonTMO]

I remember people being banned for impersonating other people on the server. That's how Tamiah got her 1 month suspension!!!


btw dewds, if someone comes into RnF with less than 10 posts as a copy of a well known figure, believing it's them is as derp as TR having Perun as an officer.

Look Loly, I took you into the guild as a favor to your crackwhore mother who used to sell me a dirt weed and occasionally blow me when she was short on rent money.

With that said, I'm in no mood to deal with any of your theatrics right now. Keep your mouth shut, or start preparing your Peace Pipe application.

[Swishahouse]

omg evorix is alive?

DANGEROUS GLITCH!!!!! HARMSHIELD ACTIVE, RUNNING 150FEET AND JUMPING TO ISLAND 2!!!!!!!!

[Swishahouse]

Look Loly, I took you into the guild as a favor to your crackwhore mother who used to sell me a dirt weed and occasionally blow me when she was short on rent money.

With that said, I'm in no mood to deal with any of your theatrics right now. Keep your mouth shut, or start preparing your Peace Pipe application.


Why you gotta impersonate duribro?

[Loly Taa]

Look Loly, I took you into the guild as a favor to your crackwhore mother who used to sell me a dirt weed and occasionally blow me when she was short on rent money.

With that said, I'm in no mood to deal with any of your theatrics right now. Keep your mouth shut, or start preparing your Peace Pipe application.

It's all fun and games until someone starts anonymously impersonating a guild-leader. At that point. it's simply childish.

[Swishahouse]

Exactly the real Durison never even says half of that and NEVER gets nasty! HES A FUCKING GEM!

[Harrison]

It's all fun and games until someone starts anonymously impersonating a guild-leader. At that point. it's simply childish.

As childish as throwing around accusations of cheating with not even a miniscule shred of proof?

You're not fucking free from ridicule, and neither is that lowlife shitbag Durison.

[DurisonTMO]

It's all fun and games until someone starts anonymously impersonating a guild-leader. At that point. it's simply childish.

Watch your tone son. When me and Zeelot promoted to the position of "resident cum dumpster" we made it very clear this sort of behavior would not be tolerated.

You think you're irreplaceable? There are 250 TMO who are just BEGGING to get a crack at the job.

[Swishahouse]

As childish as throwing around accusations of cheating with not even a miniscule shred of proof?

You're not fucking free from ridicule, and neither is that lowlife shitbag Durison.

Hahahah I did make that picture once.....


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9h6AImSDulA/THK0ZeO54iI/AAAAAAAABGU/YtJriafa01U/dark.png

[JayDee]

this guy is trying to take me crown as the defamation champ

[Loly Taa]

As childish as throwing around accusations of cheating with not even a miniscule shred of proof?

You're not fucking free from ridicule, and neither is that lowlife shitbag Durison.

Durison is still ingame... [X]
Zeelot is still ingame..... [X]
Loly is still ingame........ [X]
Eccezan is still ingame.. [X]
Alarti is still ingame...... [X]
Jeremy is still ingame... [X]
Slapen is still ingame... [X]
Finalzodiacx is still ingame...
Darkdeath is still ingame...
Dagner still ingame...

Shall I carry on? We lost no integral members? Tell me what losing Perun (if you choose to actually get rid of him) does to you, best monk dps on the server if he keeps his Ton Po?

You either get rid of him as a cheater, forever, and like, /rand his staff to the server at large- because you know he didn't deserve it. Or you admit that you harbour cheaters.

Balls in yer court.

[TR Spokesman]

As childish as throwing around accusations of cheating with not even a miniscule shred of proof?

You're not fucking free from ridicule, and neither is that lowlife shitbag Durison.

lol this is just hilarious.

Durison is a lowlife shitbag as much as Xzerion is.

[Harrison]

I've never seen Xzerion do a single questionable thing.

Durison? Lawl...the list would crash this forum.

[DurisonTMO]

lol this is just hilarious.

Durison is a lowlife shitbag as much as Xzerion is.

Excuse me motherfucker?

[TR Spokesman]

I've never seen Xzerion do a single questionable thing.

Durison? Lawl...the list would crash this forum.

I've never seen either of them do anything questionable either.


I'll be taking my word over yours.

[Loly Taa]

Excuse me motherfucker?

If they don't ban you for this it will make the previous claim of taking care of the server at a whole new level null and void.

DurisonTMO isn't TMO, he isn't even Durison. Just like alll these other troll accounts. I suppose we are having an effect!

[TR Spokesman]

If they don't ban you for this it will make the previous claim of taking care of the server at a whole new level null and void.

DurisonTMO isn't TMO, he isn't even Durison. Just like alll these other troll accounts. I suppose we are having an effect!

impersonating someone with the intent to defame them is not the same as making a troll account to mess around with.

[G13]

This poster was an officer of IB (guild before they absorbed 300 Eurotrash members) and was suspended multiple times for training.

And he's sounds like a rat faced pussy in vent

[Gwence]

Durison is still ingame... [X]
Zeelot is still ingame..... [X]
Loly is still ingame........ [X]
Eccezan is still ingame.. [X]
Alarti is still ingame...... [X]
Jeremy is still ingame... [X]
Slapen is still ingame... [X]
Finalzodiacx is still ingame...
Darkdeath is still ingame...
Dagner still ingame...

Shall I carry on? We lost no integral members? Tell me what losing Perun (if you choose to actually get rid of him) does to you, best monk dps on the server if he keeps his Ton Po?

You either get rid of him as a cheater, forever, and like, /rand his staff to the server at large- because you know he didn't deserve it. Or you admit that you harbour cheaters.

Balls in yer court.

Jeremy is an officer? Cuz... he had a pretty long vacation for 2 boxing once upon a time. Guess you didnt know that.

It's understandable, you're pretty new here.

[Gwence]

And he's sounds like a rat faced pussy in vent

much respect

[RandySlopeJr]

If they don't ban you for this it will make the previous claim of taking care of the server at a whole new level null and void.

DurisonTMO isn't TMO, he isn't even Durison. Just like alll these other troll accounts. I suppose we are having an effect!

I think TMO should be disbanded for hacking server, what wrong uthgaard you gone soft?

[Ennoia]

This poster was an officer of IB (guild before they absorbed 300 Eurotrash members) and was suspended multiple times for training.

Uuugh I hate agreeing with Slathar but 'Eurotrash' is right on target. Darkwind's players were 99% garbage, and whatever the fuck guild they got that shitbag Karsten from...starts with a P I think...dude couldn't organize/lead a raid if he had fucking Furor himself giving him notes. They're also crybaby humorless fucktards that can't take jokes. Fuck I think the only Euros they got that were any good that I remember were Ablazze and Aego. A small handful of them were nice people, but God damn were they terrible players.

[Ennoia]

Hey, Rogean, can we change the 'Banned' title for people banned on the forums to 'Hasbinbanned'??

[Hasbinbad]

Hey, Rogean, can we change the 'Banned' title for people banned on the forums to 'Hasbinbanned'??
rofl

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Is this post because you didn't get suspended? Or got un-suspended and are coming here a few days post patch to say "I'm innocent?" Not a flame, just curious.

[Jiggles]

I remember people being banned for impersonating other people on the server.

What kind of person would stoop so low ?!

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

uhoh, we have Tiggles, Diggles, now Jiggles?

[Diggles]

pretty sure theres a Niggles too

and Abacabiggles

But Im the original copy

[muffins]

ADULT human nerds playing an emulated version of a 12 year old video game and cheating at it as well.

[Omnimorph]

ADULT human nerds playing an emulated version of a 12 year old video game and cheating at it as well.

You're breaking the gaming fourth wall bro... not cool.

[xshayla701]

ADULT human nerds playing an emulated version of a 12 year old video game and cheating at it as well.

lol

[Anger]

I dare you. Please. We welcome the inspection. Since that probably won’t happen though, and since in the face of 100% lack of any evidence supporting you...blah blah


You still sticking to this stuff man? Or were you conveniently oblivious to the cheaters in your guild?

[Raavak]

I've never seen Xzerion do a single questionable thing.

Being associated with a guild chock full of cheaters is EXTREMELY questionable.

[G13]

much respect

We don't respect rat faced little turds who train, cheat, and otherwise shit up the server

So fuck off

No much respect for you or your fail cheating guild. You get zero respect.

[Harrison]

We don't respect rat faced little turds who train, cheat, and otherwise shit up the server

So fuck off

No much respect for you or your fail cheating guild. You get zero respect.

rofl....

This coming from you is the fucking epitome of hilarity.

[Slathar]

We don't respect rat faced little turds who train, cheat, and otherwise shit up the server

So fuck off

No much respect for you or your fail cheating guild. You get zero respect.

Gwence the Rat-faced Retard has been banned for the following: training, hacking, and ninja looting.

[Hasbinbad]

You still sticking to this stuff man? Or were you conveniently oblivious to the cheaters in your guild?
I support any action that lessens the probability of cheating, hacking, or use of 3rd party programs to gain advantage over others. Including any and all disciplinary actions taken by staff and the associated guild leadership. This has always been true and will never change.

As to the cheaters in my guild, the jury is still out quite frankly as to the extent of the problem. Your use of words seems to indicate that you think most of TR has been suspended. I have a feeling that as opposed to there being a majority of my guild cheating, a minority of many different guilds will be back after 2 weeks at level 54. There are always bad apples in any group. They do reflect on - but do not represent - the rest of an organization. Case in point, me; I was extremely frustrated and dismayed at the results of this sting, but in the end I am glad it happened.

Was I "conveniently oblivious?" Yes.

Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my breath. I know you don't really care how I feel, and are just trying to troll me. Just thought I should comment against my better judgement because I feel pretty strongly on this issue.

[Hasbinbad]

inb4 Slathar: "fat"

[Slathar]

Ii am a huge faggot

yea but your bad apple was an officer, lololol

[Hasbinbad]

yea but your bad apple was an officer, lololol
Oh my god, that is so funny.

Say it another hundred times fatty, it only gets funnier.

[Harrison]

I've noticed a change in his trolling.

Since he knows he's a worthless nobody he's just degraded into almost passively trolling. He's given up on himself.

He still sticks to TR's nuts because they declined his app though.

[Slathar]

Oh my god, that is so funny.

Say it another hundred times fatty, it only gets funnier.

Perun = officer of TR = banned for hacking

[G13]

rofl....

This coming from you is the fucking epitome of hilarity.

Rofl

This coming from you is the fucking epitome of hilarity.

[Pico]

otoh, i havent noticed any change in harrison's posting. he's still as unfunny and useless as ever

also he's quite hard on the eyes

[Hasbinbad]

Jibberish
Oh just come out and say it Slathar. Who was banned, what organization was he in, and why isn't he playing?

[purist]

Harrison it is widely agreed you are by far the biggest moron on this forum.

Also, fat.

[Pico]

hasbinbad, cheetos addicts anonymous, too busy breaking china dolls

[Harrison]

If by "widely agreed" you mean a small circlejerk of anonymous nobodies, sure lol

Keep making more lists of "cheaters" that are fucking hilariously false. I want to see Rogean call you a retard more often.

[Shannacore]

Pls keep this going so I have something to read in class for the next six hours

[Hasbinbad]

too busy breaking china dolls
It's not easy being cheesy.

[Pico]

If by "widely agreed" you mean a small circlejerk of anonymous nobodies, sure lol

Keep making more lists of "cheaters" that are fucking hilariously false. I want to see Rogean call you a retard more often.

everytime harrison uses "lol", "lmao" or "rofl" u just know he's furiously smashing his keyboard in spergrage

[purist]

rogean said that webwolf was not banned how this translates to calling me a retards resides in your feverish imagination

also have you ever attempted to insult someone without typing "lol" at the end or do you actually laugh at every one of your own jokes irl

[G13]

If by "widely agreed" you mean a small circlejerk of anonymous nobodies, sure lol

Keep making more lists of "cheaters" that are fucking hilariously false. I want to see Rogean call you a retard more often.

The fact that you tea bag TR here all day and somehow believe you're "somebody" speaks volumes as to the current state of your existence on this planet.

I'd almost pity you if you weren't so fucking retarded

Oh and people who brag about their military service and then are exposed as having lied about it should have their balls cut off and shoved up their ass

[Harrison]

Keep using that fabrication buddy. It's working! Ohwai-

I take shits with more importance than you'll ever have.

[quido]

Harrison, it's not like people were 100% mistaken about who got suspended... a couple people got thrown under the bus prematurely.

[Harrison]

Purists hilariously false little list was made mere hours after it happened.

THEYRE NOT ON RIGHT THIS SECOND?! CHEAAAATTTEERRRR

The very fact the whole list was what, 100% TR, is also fucking hilarious. Kid takes the fact he got denied very seriously. (amongst others)

[Slathar]

Purists hilariously false little list was made mere hours after it happened.

THEYRE NOT ON RIGHT THIS SECOND?! CHEAAAATTTEERRRR

The very fact the whole list was what, 100% TR, is also fucking hilarious. Kid takes the fact he got denied very seriously. (amongst others)

takes a 200 person nostalgia server very seriously ^

[Pico]

I take shits with more importance than you'll ever have.

yea but this is only because a team of doctors from vienna study samples of ur stool for diabetes research

[Harrison]

http://troll.me/images/futurama-fry/or-bad-at-math.jpg

[Pico]

Harrison: important shit taker

[purist]

Kid takes the fact he got denied very seriously

how was getting denied from the military?

[Harrison]

Wasn't so bad. I still got to do, and learn a lot.

Was never denied though.

Make more lists, please. They're fucking hilarious.

[purist]

Remember when Harrison tried to pull the "I served my country in combat" and his own brother called him out for never making it passed MEPS due to a medical discharge for too many concussions (he was beaten to bloody pulp in bar for being loudly racist, true story) and having Acid Reflux disease (see: obesity).

[Harrison]

It must be so shitty to have to make shit up in arguments rather than have actual proof. (and accusing people of cheating)

[purist]

Also, I'd like to add that he had a medical discharge due to the fact that he has had far too many concussions in his lifetime, and suffered from Acid Reflux disease. He would have needed to get 3 or 4 different types of waivers to get passed MEPS. That's more than enough reason for me, if I was in that situation, to not give a shit anymore. He was signed in as a combat medic yes, his ASVAB score was high enough to choose any job he wanted to, but because of those waivers, he didn't end up joining in.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=131951&postcount=277

[Appollo]

Being associated with a guild chock full of cheaters is EXTREMELY questionable.

"Chock full" is a loaded phrase. While there unquestionably was a substantial amount of accounts suspended. Your claim is hyperbolic. As far as the "frequent forum flyers" investigation is concerned, no one guild has had a substantial amount of individuals suspended. And, while I agree with Hasbinbad when he said, with respect to cheaters: "They do reflect on - but do not represent - the rest of an organization", I think it's worth adding that you cannot control everyone in your guild. In fact, it's impossible.

To be sure, you can take measures to ensure that you do not associate with cheaters, you can implement a policy, you can even enforce that policy, but at the end of the day people lie, decieve and cheat anyway. I'm not condoning what happened and I'm certainly not saying that one should not try, because I think those types of policies work and do have a deterrent effect on those within your guild. But, the fact remains that there will be outliers. Which, as far as I know, that's what each guild has been associated with: outliers. They do not represent the guild as a whole.

Nevertheless, the argument is somewhat hamstrung by the fact that an officer was suspended, which also makes it more difficult to claim ignorance of the impropriety. However, the fact remains that you cannot control the actions of others and I certainly do not support the idea that one guild or one person should be condemned because they associated with someone who was caught cheating. Could they be be condemend? Sure, it's all contextual. Should the cheaters be condemend: absolutely. But, the son does not inherit the sins of the father, if you will. And, I subscribe to the belief that you need more evidence than mere association in order to condemn.

[Harrison]

So where in that did I try to say I was in combat? Where in that does it say I wasn't enlisted, or was "denied" lmfao?

Oh, that's right. It never happened. Words were twisted by butthurt little pussies like you, and it never really worked. But, you'll stick to it because that's all you have...fabrications.

[Dirt McGirt]

lol harrison continues stalling and repeating himself. You're only fooling casual passers-by and skimmers that you have an argument, bro

[G13]

Also, I'd like to add that he had a medical discharge due to the fact that he has had far too many concussions in his lifetime

It's obvious he has brain damage as a result of these "excessive concussions"

[Hasbinbad]

Appollo coming all reasonable and shit.

[EkireiTheNecro]

I support any action that lessens the probability of cheating, hacking, or use of 3rd party programs to gain advantage over others. Including any and all disciplinary actions taken by staff and the associated guild leadership. This has always been true and will never change.

As to the cheaters in my guild, the jury is still out quite frankly as to the extent of the problem. Your use of words seems to indicate that you think most of TR has been suspended. I have a feeling that as opposed to there being a majority of my guild cheating, a minority of many different guilds will be back after 2 weeks at level 54. There are always bad apples in any group. They do reflect on - but do not represent - the rest of an organization. Case in point, me; I was extremely frustrated and dismayed at the results of this sting, but in the end I am glad it happened.

Was I "conveniently oblivious?" Yes.

Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my breath. I know you don't really care how I feel, and are just trying to troll me. Just thought I should comment against my better judgement because I feel pretty strongly on this issue.

Actions speak louder than words as they say.

Your entire guild spamming "will WILL NOT TOLERATE cheaters.....cheating is unacceptable..." blah blah blah.

By letting those individuals remain tagged you're simply proving that you're all talk and public image.

[Zereh]

It must be so shitty to have to make shit up in arguments rather than have actual proof. (and accusing people of cheating)

You've been doing nothing BUT that for as long as you've been polluting the forums.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Really not surprising as every member of IB/TR that I've ***EVER*** met has been a complete pompous douchebag.

You guys have exhibited since the server launch that you believe yourselves to be above the server rules. This has been true since "Rusty Long Swords" training all non-guildmates out of Crushbone to claim camps from themselves; this being the first week the server was open.

You're a guild that's all talk and no action -- I'm pretty sure nobody believes, let alone cares, about your "cheating is unacceptable...training is unacceptable blah blah blah" rhetoric.

That's all it is -- rhetoric. No action, just words.

[Hasbinbad]

Your entire guild spamming "will WILL NOT TOLERATE cheaters.....cheating is unacceptable..." blah blah blah.We spam no such thing.By letting those individuals remain tagged you're simply proving that you're all talk and public image.Do you pay for your infoz?

[purist]

We spam no such thing.

IB/TR outs their own people when a rule is broken/exploited. They are reported to the Staff even when a suspicion comes up. The rules is something that is taken quite serious by me. Been a couple times I pushed for more severe punishments than what was handed out as well. When I actually had a GM account on the server I banned members of IB for rule issues.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=339564&postcount=249

[Hasbinbad]

This has been true since "Rusty Long Swords" training all non-guildmates out of Crushbone to claim camps from themselves; this being the first week the server was open.
Oh wow. The lulz. THE LULZ.

[Hasbinbad]

.
Because posting once (or even several times in different places in different contexts) is totally spamming.

You're comand ov teh english languige iz amzing.

[EkireiTheNecro]

You can stop commenting on my use of the word "spamming" and start commenting on how your guild uses more pointless rhetoric than the Obama and Bush Administrations combined.

[EkireiTheNecro]

I'd ***REALLY*** love to know the ratio of TR members : non-TR members suspended....and whether Xzerion was allowed to have a vote in the punishment process.

Who wants to be he's one of the ones who voted AGAINST bans!?!?!?

Anyone!?!?!?

Hagglebaron I see a money-making opportunity here.

[G13]

Nevertheless, the argument is somewhat hamstrung by the fact that an officer was suspended, which also makes it more difficult to claim ignorance of the impropriety. However, the fact remains that you cannot control the actions of others and I certainly do not support the idea that one guild or one person should be condemned because they associated with someone who was caught cheating. Could they be be condemend? Sure, it's all contextual. Should the cheaters be condemend: absolutely. But, the son does not inherit the sins of the father, if you will. And, I subscribe to the belief that you need more evidence than mere association in order to condemn.

In all honesty it's not fair to label all of TR cheaters as a result of Perun's actions, but at the same time Xzerion did state that TR/IB does not tolerate cheaters and will report them. So while the regular member is not responsible, their leadership is wouldn't you agree? A lot of their success as a guild can be attributed to Perun. It's like a professional athlete abusing steroids. As one of their monks/trackers/pullers his cheating had a direct effect on the overall success of his guild in terms of competition against competing guilds.

Would you agree that their achievements as a guild have been tarnished by this? If I was a member of TR I would furious at the officer core at the moment. This is a serious breach of trust.

If that's the case, shouldn't the guild as a whole be giving their leadership a vote of no confidence and be looking to replace it?

[Appollo]

Appollo coming all reasonable and shit.

You like it when I come ... all reasonable.

Also, Ekirei, take a look at my post. I think that may sufficiently refute your argument.

[EkireiTheNecro]

You like it when I come ... all reasonable.

Also, Ekirei, take a look at my post. I think that may sufficiently refute your argument.

Read your post already pal.

Here's the deal: If you think nobody in TR but the cheaters themselves knew that other were cheating then you're either really stupid, really gullible, or both.

[Appollo]

In all honesty it's not fair to label all of TR cheaters as a result of Perun's actions, but at the same time Xzerion did state that TR/IB does not tolerate cheaters and will report them. So while the regular member is not responsible, their leadership is wouldn't you agree? A lot of their success as a guild can be attributed to Perun. It's like a professional athlete abusing steroids. As one of their monks/trackers/pullers his cheating had a direct effect on the overall success of his guild in terms of competition against competing guilds.

Would you agree that their achievements as a guild have been tarnished by this? If I was a member of TR I would furious at the officer core at the moment. This is a serious breach of trust.

If that's the case, shouldn't the guild as a whole be giving their leadership a vote of no confidence and be looking to replace it?

You make a good point. Although, I'm not sure. Again, as I mentioned before: it depends on the context. To be sure, Perun was an officer and an integral part of their success. However, no corporation, organization, sports team, or guild in an MMO is successful because of one person. More importantly, did the leadership know? That's something we may never know. Although, I still adhere to the belief that unless I'm given more than mere circumstantial evidence shown through mere association I will not believe that the leadership actually knew.

Does it taint their accomplishments? Yes, to a degree. But, it doesn't eviscerate them. Nor does it take away from the fact that they are a highly successful and skilled guild.

Should they be looking to replace their leadership because of no confidence? I don't know, I have never been in their guild nor do I know their leadership other than through conversation, albiet somewhat in depth. What I do know is that they should replace Perun, but that's something that we all knew and that's something that I think we can say will happen without a doubt. Should they replace the rest of the leadership? That's only something the guild can answer as a whole. But, my belief (for what it's worth given my context) is that it depends on how the leadership handles the current situation. My inclination is to say that they should not be removed. And, I base that conclusion on the fact that you cannot control the actions of others coupled with the fact that Xzerion has proved through the accomplishments of his guild that he is a capable leader.

[EkireiTheNecro]

Oh wow. The lulz. THE LULZ.

Glad to see you remember this.

Your guildmates / associates have believed themselves to be above the server rules SINCE DAY 1.

Why so mad bro?

Oh, right....1/2 your guild just found out that having a GM in the guild does NOT mean you're above the rules.

[EkireiTheNecro]

You make a good point. Although, I'm not sure. Again, as I mentioned before: it depends on the context. To be sure, Perun was an officer and an integral part of their success. However, no corporation, organization, sports team, or guild in an MMO is successful because of one person. More importantly, did the leadership know? That's something we may never know. Although, I still adhere to the belief that unless I'm given more than mere circumstantial evidence shown through mere association I will not believe that the leadership actually knew.

Does it taint their accomplishments? Yes, to a degree. But, it doesn't eviscerate them. Nor does it take away from the fact that they are a highly successful and skilled guild.

Should they be looking to replace their leadership because of no confidence? I don't know, I have never been in their guild nor do I know their leadership other than through conversation, albiet somewhat in depth. What I do know is that they should replace Perun, but that's something that we all knew and that's something that I think we can say will happen without a doubt. Should they replace the rest of the leadership? That's only something the guild can answer as a whole. But, my belief (for what it's worth given my context) is that it depends on how the leadership handles the current situation. My inclination is to say that they should not be removed. And, I base that conclusion on the fact that you cannot control the actions of others coupled with the fact that Xzerion has proved through the accomplishments of his guild that he is a capable leader.

I'm almost guaranteeing that Perun comes back to his original post after his suspension.

And I'm pretty sure Xzerion voted against bans for the cheaters since so many were in his pet guild.

[Appollo]

Read your post already pal.

Here's the deal: If you think nobody in TR but the cheaters themselves knew that other were cheating then you're either really stupid, really gullible, or both.

I'm glad we're considered pals. Although, I have a feeling you're using that in a negative light...but, since I'm gullible, I'll just assume we're friends. Great, now that that's established the fact of the matter is that I have no doubt that more than those that cheated knew they were cheating. With that said, my opinion remains the same. Even if there were others, it does not raise itself to a systematic problem.

[Appollo]

I'm almost guaranteeing that Perun comes back to his original post after his suspension.


That remains to be seen, but I hope you're wrong.

And I'm pretty sure Xzerion voted against bans for the cheaters since so many were in his pet guild

No way to know that one. Although, even if he voted against it I wouldn't have a problem with that. The real punishment will come when they're removed from the guild, black listed for being cheaters and not capable of attaining what they once had and could have achieved.

[EkireiTheNecro]

That remains to be seen, but I hope you're wrong.



No way to know that one. Although, even if he voted against it I wouldn't have a problem with that. The real punishment will come when they're removed from the guild, black listed for being cheaters and not capable of attaining what they once had and could have achieved.

Right.

Or none of those things could happen....

they get to retain all their uber-loots that they cheated to get...
they remain guided....
simply re-dupe more platinum....
and they ended up losing were a few levels.

[Appollo]

Right.

Or none of those things could happen....

they get to retain all their uber-loots that they cheated to get...
they remain guided....
simply re-dupe more platinum....
and they ended up losing were a few levels.

Also a possibility. We'll find out soon enough.

[Skope]

you have to remember that they recruited virt even after he outted himself as an SEQer, not sure whether they knew that he was hobby or not, but that doesn't really matter. history suggests that it's certainly a possibility


Even if there were others, it does not raise itself to a systematic problem.

not a systematic problem? it absolutely is. in fact, it's a server-wide problem that was handled well by keeping it hush to catch them but absolutely atrociously after they were caught. 300+ not a systematic problem? forget guilds, it's way above that.

[EkireiTheNecro]

you have to remember that they recruited virt even after he outted himself as an SEQer, not sure whether they knew that he was hobby or not, but that doesn't really matter. history suggests that it's certainly a possibility




not a systematic problem? it absolutely is. in fact, it's a server-wide problem that was handled well by keeping it hush to catch them but absolutely atrociously after they were caught. 300+ not a systematic problem? forget guilds, it's way above that.

Live I said probably a dozen times in the last 2 days....

JUST POST ALL THE FUCKING NAMES.

They CHOSE to break the rules knowing full well the consequences. They got off light, however. Just post the names and let the community deal with it now.

[Skope]

no... community deal with it? community had no say, and if you look at the recent poll they probably would have gotten permabanned HAD the community been given the opportunity to deal with it.

Out their names -- all of them -- AND delete the accts. with the way shit was handled currently cheating actually pays off here

[Anger]

I support any action that lessens the probability of cheating, hacking, or use of 3rd party programs to gain advantage over others. Including any and all disciplinary actions taken by staff and the associated guild leadership. This has always been true and will never change.

As to the cheaters in my guild, the jury is still out quite frankly as to the extent of the problem. Your use of words seems to indicate that you think most of TR has been suspended. I have a feeling that as opposed to there being a majority of my guild cheating, a minority of many different guilds will be back after 2 weeks at level 54. There are always bad apples in any group. They do reflect on - but do not represent - the rest of an organization. Case in point, me; I was extremely frustrated and dismayed at the results of this sting, but in the end I am glad it happened.

Was I "conveniently oblivious?" Yes.

Honestly, I don't know why I'm wasting my breath. I know you don't really care how I feel, and are just trying to troll me. Just thought I should comment against my better judgement because I feel pretty strongly on this issue.

I just thought it was funny how you were so valiantly defending your guild's record with that walloftext post a month-ish ago, and now people (not only from TR mind you) are banned for cheating.

Not a stab against you, and not trolling in the least, honestly. Just figured someone would bring up that post eventually, and I was an asshole throughout most of it, so figured it should be me :p

[Zereh]

I just thought it was funny how you were so valiantly defending your guild's record with that walloftext post a month-ish ago, and now people (not only from TR mind you) are banned for cheating.

Not a stab against you, and not trolling in the least, honestly. Just figured someone would bring up that post eventually, and I was an asshole throughout most of it, so figured it should be me :p

Irony?

[Evorix]

What's up sweetie pie, how's life?

It's goin... School just started back up. Last year!

omg evorix is alive?

Hey, whats up bro!?

I love me some Hasbinbad. Evorix, I love you too.

Sweet N' Sour sauce on my pussy


Ayen... Where you been fool?

[Appollo]

not a systematic problem? it absolutely is. in fact, it's a server-wide problem that was handled well by keeping it hush to catch them but absolutely atrociously after they were caught. 300+ not a systematic problem? forget guilds, it's way above that.

I admittedly do not know the exact numbers that have been banned that were TR members. However, from what I can gather from the "frequent forum followers" that have done an "investigation" is that there are about 5. I fail to see how 5 is indicative of a systematic problem for an entire guild. Perhaps it's just a matter of disagreement as to what constitutes a systematic problem, but ... well, yeah I disagree with you.

Insofar as a serve wide problem, I completely agree with you. But, that doesn't mean it is a systematic problem within one guild.

[Knuckle]

I just thought it was funny how you were so valiantly defending your guild's record with that walloftext post a month-ish ago, and now people (not only from TR mind you) are banned for cheating.

Not a stab against you, and not trolling in the least, honestly. Just figured someone would bring up that post eventually, and I was an asshole throughout most of it, so figured it should be me :p

Oh man my short term memory loss kicked in. forgot about the lolz

[Skope]

forget guilds, it's way above that.

with 350 people it's not about guilds and it's not about numbers. you and i can sit here and discuss and compare who and how many people got nicked (and there are numbers and names) but it resolves nothing. so let me reiterate: it's not about guilds. cheating was a systemic problem here for a long time that was exacerbated by the fact that this is an emu where you don't owe anybody squat and the fact that there are so many damn tryhards here. seeing that number doesn't really shock many who've played it straight and been here a while. in fact it was kind of expected. the issue is that it wasn't handled well, or in my opinion barely handled at all.

[central scrutinizer]

Hey fin I dont read these forums much, and I dont play much either so maybe I dont know much and certainly dont matter but I see you slagged alot whenever I do read anything about or by you...

I rmember you being a polite and respectful player in another game years ago, be that guy. Nobody could dislike that guy. Dont let people bait you into lowering yourself, that is too much power to hand over to a stranger for no good reason.

And combat is nothing to wave around, there is nothing cool about luck running dry and turning to absolute shit, nobody needs to hear about it and they wont understand anyways they'll take some of the worst moments of your life and use them to reinforce whatever their ideas were before you opened your mouth, its useless to even try to explain.

If you even said anything about that. I dont know whats true or is just a flame in this section I dont read forums often, if not nevermind and appologies.

Not trying to cause trouble, I just remember you as a good guy and wish you well I'll delete this post if it bothers you