"Banned" people are like "Sinners" arguing with God

[Peatree]

This is awesome. Love watching it and love the fact it was done. So so awesome that this was done and cheaters got caught.

Makes me wonder if this is what God is going to get once the end of the world comes too and he is sending people off to hell!

Lame excuses, lies, I didn't know I was doing wrong, etc...

And no...this does not mean nor imply Roegan is God. :D

[Extunarian]

drunk

[mitic]

i thought there is no god

[k2summit]

There is no God, only consciousness.

[Diggles]

There is a god, you just took the easy way out and picked Agnostic

[Taryth]

Oh please let this thread turn where I think it's going.

[Diggles]

A thread about how it's totally a scrub move to pick agnostic unless you're an Enchanter? Yes.

[Taryth]

Go on . . .

[Diggles]

Enchanters should, unless they are role-playing, always choose to be agnostic. In some areas your illusion will not be enough to keep you alive. In some areas you will still be Kill on Sight for any number of reasons, though these are very few indeed. If you choose to be agnostic you virtually eliminate the risk of being murdered on a religious background.

[Goobles]

la ~

Everyone's a sinner!

[mitic]

There is a god, you just took the easy way out and picked Agnostic

actually, the easy way is to believe in god

holy scriptures (same what religion) are like a software licence (or P99 server rules, haha), everyone agrees but noone reads them.

[Doors]

Jesus was actually white. Anyone who thinks differently is wrong.

[RandySlopeJr]

Jesus was actually white. Anyone who thinks differently is wrong.

Really most of been alot of sun screen in Africa 2000+ years ago?

[Tiggles]

Really most of been alot of sun screen in Africa 2000+ years ago?

there was

[mitic]

Really most of been alot of sun screen in Africa 2000+ years ago?

i bet u are us-american

[mitic]

there was

another us-american haha

ignorants!

[Slathar]

another us-american haha

ignorants!

germany = responsible for the largest, most documented massacre of innocents in modern history, teach us your peaceful ways

[Tiggles]

Hey Mitic

Throw another shrimp on the barbie

[mitic]

germany = responsible for the largest, most documented massacre of innocents in modern history, teach us your peaceful ways

haha fits perfectly to the topic

the most documented massacre of innocents in all of history has been done from the church and in the name of the church

[Slathar]

my grandparents slaughtered innocent people

whatever, anti-semite

[RandySlopeJr]

there was

Really what brand they use?

[Tiggles]

Really what brand they use?

coppertone

[mitic]

whatever, anti-semite

thank god iam italian then, oh wait, we had mussolini!

[RandySlopeJr]

coppertone

LOL guess it would hurt your feeling if Jesus was a dark man .

[Harrison]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5N7bercflo

"You're holding a gun to God's head. I can't even think of a metaphor better than this."

[Messianic]

haha fits perfectly to the topic

the most documented massacre of innocents in all of history has been done from the church and in the name of the church

Actually, The largest massacres in terms of numbers by any single entity was Maoist China, with Stalin as the runner up...and they did it to more people more quickly and more brutally than all the centuries of church atrocities combined.

But we know they were strict adherents to the doctrines of the Christian church, right?

[Harrison]

Actually, The largest massacres in terms of numbers by any single entity was Maoist China, with Stalin as the runner up...and they did it to more people more quickly and more brutally than all the centuries of church atrocities combined.

But we know they were strict adherents to the doctrines of the Christian church, right?

I love using this when some militant atheist moron spews inaccuracies as fact.

[mitic]

I love using this when some militant atheist moron spews inaccuracies as fact.

and u sir are still blindly following the largest mafia of all history

[Harrison]

I'm not Catholic, or religious for that matter.

But, nice try...

Since I don't subscribe to your idiocy I MUST be religious, right?

[Messianic]

I love using this when some militant atheist moron spews inaccuracies as fact.

Yeah, it's kind of a pop atheist thing to be reactionary against the church or religion without recognizing the central idea that validated the atrocities - the exaltation of the collective against the individual.

The means is irrelevant - what's always present is the idea that the individual is less valuable than either *the* collective or a specific collective. I.e. that people are only valuable as they're part of a desired grouping as opposed to intrinsically valuable by virtue of being an individual human being, and violent atrocities against individuals are justifiable if it accomplishes some collective purpose.

You can justify that by religion, atheism, politics, whatever...So the means is irrelevant to the act itself.

I do support the idea that science and atheism are far more powerful in terms of justification to trample individuals to support a privileged group than religion ever could be because they strip out the window dressing of unconditional love that some religions accept - Science/Atheism kind of lacks this cognitive dissonance.

[mitic]

messianic the idea per se is a good thing but

child molesting, inventing celibacy so the churchs patrimony stays in the church, church tax (in austria), prohibiting condoms in the existence of aids (especialy precarious in 3rd world countries) and all the other atrocities from the past like witch hunts (on topic haha), holy crusades, proselytization...a list that never ends should open someones eyes in the modern era

[Harrison]

You say child molesting like it's a localized, accepted doctrine in that religion and exists nowhere else.

Pathetic logic lol

[Messianic]

Mitic...None of the examples you provided even affect any of the points I made. You just listed more of a "list of grievances" or things you don't like about "the church" (however undefined).

What you listed off were most often errors in judgment where the church was merged or blended in some way with government (the choice power base of any atrocity).

child molesting

Not a church specific issue - plenty of kids are being molested by nonchristians, and it's more prevalant in teetotaler religions with a strong central power base (case in point, the Catholics). Most Christian denominations are confederated, not centralized - so blaming "the church" or "religion" for something assumes the church or religion are some homogenous entity. It doesn't stand up in the realms of criticism where people are actually well-read, even if they take something close to your position.

inventing celibacy so the churchs patrimony stays in the church

There's far more to it than that, but if patrimony is the same thing as starving your own citizens to death under Atheistic communism, you can have this one.

church tax (in austria)

That's a governmental problem, not a church problem. Why your people allow your government to directly subsidize a particular religion is beyond me.

prohibiting condoms in the existence of aids (especialy precarious in 3rd world countries)

Which government enforces this prohibition? If a government does not and there is no direct coercion, it's voluntary.

Are people forced to do what the Pope says?

and all the other atrocities from the past like witch hunts (on topic haha)

Witch Hunts are a knowledge problem, not a religious problem. People who were nonreligious or only loosely associated with the church supported these as well. Pagans and native americans have a history of punishing individuals believed to be in concert with evil spirits. That's not a church specific issue. It's a knowledge issue.

You could say the same thing about the medical community hundreds of years ago for the crap they thought was a decent treatment for a range of symptoms/diseases.

holy crusades

Most - and the most brutal - were directed at other Christians to support a central power base that was under political siege. Go ahead, study it. You'll find it's far different than you may have learned in a basic European history class. It was the merger of the political class with the religious class without an anarchy in religious markets.

proselytization...

...So it's an evil atrocity to preach and seek converts? Dunno, I don't know why you even mention this.

a list that never ends should open someones eyes in the modern era

You could also list the names of the people killed by Mao and Stalin and compare it to the list of people killed in the name of religion - any religion. Strange how those two antireligious men were able to top the rest of history - combined.

[mitic]

messianc i started a thread replying to every argument u stated but then i realized that we could go on forever with counter-arguments so ill stop right here

[Alarti0001]

Actually, The largest massacres in terms of numbers by any single entity was Maoist China, with Stalin as the runner up...and they did it to more people more quickly and more brutally than all the centuries of church atrocities combined.

But we know they were strict adherents to the doctrines of the Christian church, right?

gaiz my religion or non religion has killed 2 more ppl than your religion or non religion!