Account Suspensions

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Alot of people are getting suspended comment when trying to log in

[bounky37]

wow

[Cfred0-]

quit hacking!

[Cymeon]

did you read the front page?

[Barkingturtle]

Lawlz (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46654)

[Sickle]

BUSTED!!! Server is gonna be very quite this week.

[Eternal-Elf]

Deleveled and stripped of coin.

hell ya! Hackers suck

[to0p]

Until there is proof showing how the GM's are detecting third party programs this is a farse.

Heres an example from my server where my character is shown to use MQ while zoning, however - I am running no third party programs yet this is registered in the 'hackers' table:

38 ACCTNAME Game /MQZone used at 101.61, 892.00, 3.44 paineel 2011-07-06 11:55:35

If this is what is being used to ban 365 accounts you are doing some serious damage to yourself, especially without showing people a cause.

[Cfred0-]

Alot of people are getting suspended comment when trying to log in

wow

way to change your comments!

[Webwolf]

OMG I got suspended and I have 0 idea of why, all I have worked for is on that account =/

[Kevlar]

Its a free to play server. What kind of damage are they doing to it? Getting rid of hackers seems like a good thing to me.

[Webwolf]

Nothing worse than being accused of doing something you didn't do. Now I know how those innocent people in jail feel like =/

[Barkingturtle]

Now I know how those innocent people in jail feel like =/


Shut up. It's a video game. Get some perspective.

Post in the petition forums if you feel you've been wrongly suspended.

[to0p]

Already did, false positives all over the place.

[vageta31]

I suspect there will be some false alarms depending on detection method. If it's scripted then it will obviously falsley identify some people though my guess is that most of these accounts are probably actually hacking.

VZTZ used to have some yellow text messages that would falsely identify people warping due to how it detected it. If there was lag or something it would usually set it off. I suspect that the server would expect the player to be at a certain place, and if said player wasn't there then it would announce it as warping.

I'm sure the detection method is a different animal on this server, though with anything that is scripted it's bound to not be 100% perfect.

[Knuckle]

LAWL :):):):):)

[to0p]

VZTZ used to have some yellow text messages that would falsely identify people warping due to how it detected it. If there was lag or something it would usually set it off. I suspect that the server would expect the player to be at a certain place, and if said player wasn't there then it would announce it as warping.


Yeah thats what I'm showing on my own server as well;
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46665

[Webwolf]

I am missing raids too. Not funny man =(

[dragonfists]

Nothing worse than being accused of doing something you didn't do. Now I know how those innocent people in jail feel like =/

LOL really

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Yep, this sucks. I bet no TR guild members got a ban though :)

[Slathar]

Until there is proof showing how the GM's are detecting third party programs this is a farse.

Heres an example from my server where my character is shown to use MQ while zoning, however - I am running no third party programs yet this is registered in the 'hackers' table:

38 ACCTNAME Game /MQZone used at 101.61, 892.00, 3.44 paineel 2011-07-06 11:55:35

If this is what is being used to ban 365 accounts you are doing some serious damage to yourself, especially without showing people a cause.

try not cheating at video games next time, hacker.

[purist]

maybe you wouldn't be suspended if you didn't cheat? crazy idea

consequences. they suck, don't they?

[purist]

Busted. Good riddance to you and the other cheating dirtbags.

[Ennoia]

try not cheating at video games next time, hacker.

Toop got banned? Free beers for P99 staff, on me.

[Slathar]

hes probably weeping uncontrollably while typing multiple page petitions laden with typos. he probably has his entire family with him, they're also weeping. grandma - weeping
grandpa - weeping
sister - weeping
mom - weeping
father - weeping

yep, everyone is weeping for toop.

[Uthgaard]

There is no potential for error. If you're suspended, you were caught. If you try to play dumb or lie, you'll probably walk away from the conversation with a full ban. You were already given lenience.

[Fromage]

Heres an example from my server

He didnt get banned, he tested this out on his own server.

[Littlegyno]

LEWLS.

More people on P99 got fucked for hacking than the entire population of VZTZ at it's peak.

OHMYGOD

[purist]

There is no potential for error. If you're suspended, you were caught. If you try to play dumb or lie, you'll probably walk away from the conversation with a full ban. You were already given lenience.

lol, owned

[JenJen]

this is brilliant

any server celebs caught out?

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Question still, any TR people get banned? Or did they get looked over?

[Slathar]

What kind of hacks? I get large warp thingy all the time and now. i am supended. O well was only lvl 8

please let it be known that on this day august 27, 2011 menadwen is a known hacker to the community and his sentence is to be banned until he weeps with his grandma

[Bwils]

They should publicly make a list of all the hackers, like they do with rapists in real life.. =)

[Tyen]

goofed

[Kino]

<3 Tyen.

Also, this thread is fantastic.

[to0p]

There is no potential for error. If you're suspended, you were caught. If you try to play dumb or lie, you'll probably walk away from the conversation with a full ban. You were already given lenience.

No proof was provided.

All I got was "heres a link to a file on your hard drive."

And to begin.. how you obtained the knowledge to where files on my hard drive lay is a question of invasion of privacy, carrying many legal ramifications mister Uthgaard. Time to break open these recent dll files...

Let's see how you actually gathered your data, this seems more like a selective suspension/banning - there are players who know that they use 3rd party programs still playing, and still using them - telling me that they have not been banned or suspended.

[Slathar]

No proof was provided.

All I got was "heres a link to a file on your hard drive."

And to begin.. how you obtained the knowledge to where files on my hard drive lay is a question of invasion of privacy, carrying many legal ramifications mister Uthgaard. Time to break open these recent dll files...

Let's see how you actually gathered your data, this seems more like a selective suspension/banning - there are players who know that they use 3rd party programs still playing, and still using them - telling me that they have not been banned or suspended.

these are the words of a known hacker to the community

[lethdar]

acker angst

u mad bro, vry mad, fo real.

[to0p]

u mad bro, vry mad, fo real.

http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh4.jpg

[to0p]

No proof was provided.

All I got was "heres a link to a file on your hard drive."

And to begin.. how you obtained the knowledge to where files on my hard drive lay is a question of invasion of privacy, carrying many legal ramifications mister Uthgaard. Time to break open these recent dll files...

Let's see how you actually gathered your data, this seems more like a selective suspension/banning - there are players who know that they use 3rd party programs still playing, and still using them - telling me that they have not been banned or suspended.

[Snaggles]

You might change your sig. It says your 57.

[to0p]

not really

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Can you say breaking the law Rogean? Going to let SOE know about some of the Illegal stuff that you guys are doing too :)

[Slathar]

http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh4.jpg

thats why you've posted 14 times in 20 minutes because you dont give a shit. go cry to grandma you mashed potato titty loving dickhead

[to0p]

thats why you've posted 14 times in 20 minutes because you dont give a shit. go cry to grandma you mashed potato titty loving dickhead

Cant out troll the master of trolls.

http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh3.jpg

[Slathar]

Can you say breaking the law Rogean? Going to let SOE know about some of the Illegal stuff that you guys are doing too :)

hahahahah

i want a recording of this phone call or copy of the email

"THEY FuckgiING BANDED ME ON PROJETC1999 AND I TIHINK ITS BECAUSE THEIR USING VIRUSUS"

Sincerely,

Nekkro

[lethdar]

Can you say breaking the law Rogean? Going to let SOE know about some of the Illegal stuff that you guys are doing too :)

oh noes, ackers gonna sue you rogean!

[to0p]

hahahahah

i want a recording of this phone call or copy of the email

"THEY FuckgiING BANDED ME ON PROJETC1999 AND I TIHINK ITS BECAUSE THEIR USING VIRUSUS"

Sincerely,

Nekkro


http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh2.jpg

[Nekkro Pheliac]

No one said anything about a virus. Are you admitting to something?

[to0p]

No proof was provided..

All I got was "heres a link to a file on your hard drive."

And to begin.. how you obtained the knowledge to where files on my hard drive lay is a question of invasion of privacy, carrying many legal ramifications mister Uthgaard. Time to break open these recent dll files...

Let's see how you actually gathered your data, this seems more like a selective suspension/banning - there are players who know that they use 3rd party programs still playing, and still using them - telling me that they have not been banned or suspended.

[to0p]

No one said anything about a virus. Are you admitting to something?

Sounds like it...

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Notice how they stop talking

[to0p]

Trolls are slow folk.

[purist]

Hm, let's see...

Which to believe?

Cold, hard facts? Or a hacking dirtbag like Toop's word that "I didn't do it, I swear?"

Truly torn on this.

[Rali]

Notice how you cannot log in at the moment? :p

[to0p]

Hm, let's see...

Which to believe?

Cold, hard facts? Or a hacking dirtbag like Toop's word that "I didn't do it, I swear?"

Truly torn on this.

Everytime a troll trolls, peacepipeguild.com is advertised.

http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh.jpg

[Nekkro Pheliac]

All we want is the data that shows that people were hacking.

[lethdar]

Notice how they stop talking

Busy playing p99 because I wasn't banned bro, sry I can't devote enough time to crying and mashing f5.

[Slathar]

All we want is the data that shows that people were hacking.

u should sue them for 4,000 internets or your proxies will blot out teh sun

[Deuces]

I would say if you keep running your chops on here they should perma ban you

[to0p]

No proof was provided..

All I got was "heres a link to a file on your hard drive."

And to begin.. how you obtained the knowledge to where files on my hard drive lay is a question of invasion of privacy, carrying many legal ramifications mister Uthgaard. Time to break open these recent dll files.....

Let's see how you actually gathered your data, this seems more like a selective suspension/banning - there are players who know that they use 3rd party programs still playing, and still using them - telling me that they have not been banned or suspended.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Slathar, you must be in TR right? I am sure none of them got banned for hacking.

[Rogean]

Hey toop, if the next post you make isn't the name of the person you want Peace Pipe guild leadership transferred to, the guild is being disbanded. If you want to be repetitive, I'm going to repeat what I said in your petition post.

[lethdar]

Hey toop, if the next post you make isn't the name of the person you want Peace Pipe guild leadership transferred to, the guild is being disbanded. If you want to be repetitive, I'm going to repeat what I said in your petition post.

looool

[to0p]

Nariko

[to0p]

Hey toop, if the next post you make isn't the name of the person you want Peace Pipe guild leadership transferred to, the guild is being disbanded. If you want to be repetitive, I'm going to repeat what I said in your petition post.

Invasion of privacy sir? Please advise.

[Barkingturtle]

All we want is the data that shows that people were hacking.

Why should they share that? So you can find a workaround?

Honestly, throwing a hissy fit, insinuating your intent to attempt litigation and accusing the powers that be of favoritism isn't lending you any credibility. Have some patience and some faith that if you weren't cheating, you'll be indemnified. Or, if you know there's nothing to be done because you really are a cheating piece of shit, then continue with the histrionics, by all means.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Rogean I just want to know if anyone from your lovely guild TR got banned? I know people in there use MQ2 or ShowEQ

[Feachie]

don't be mad you got caught toop, your kung fu is weak, rogean's is stronger.

learn to do what you do and not be a script kid imo

[purist]

Hey toop, if the next post you make isn't the name of the person you want Peace Pipe guild leadership transferred to, the guild is being disbanded. If you want to be repetitive, I'm going to repeat what I said in your petition post.

lol owned

[lethdar]

EZ hax, not so EZ.

[Slathar]

Toop is a known hacker to the community.

[Goraxx]

Hey toop, if the next post you make isn't the name of the person you want Peace Pipe guild leadership transferred to, the guild is being disbanded. If you want to be repetitive, I'm going to repeat what I said in your petition post.

Sigworthy :cool:

[Hagglebaron]

Can you say breaking the law Rogean? Going to let SOE know about some of the Illegal stuff that you guys are doing too :)

Moron

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Rogean where is the proof that Toop is a hacker? I want proof. Other than you doing this Nazi Hitler shit. "I can do what I want"

[nilbog]

People sound so guilty.

[Feachie]

Rogean where is the proof that Toop is a hacker? I want proof. Other than you doing this Nazi Hitle shit. "I can do what I want"

did you ever consider that posting HOW they detected would give these retarded script kids an inkling of how to circumvent or disable it?

if they were actual hackers, they would not have been suspended. stop asking for proof, just give thanks imo.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Nilbog why dont you go suck off TR or something isnt that what you GMs do? Or repop bosses for them?

[Barkingturtle]

I want proof.

No one cares what you want. No one owes you anything.

[nilbog]

People sound so mad.

[Excellio]

Okay, so people were using 3rd party programs to give them an unfair advantage? What does that mean? Like they were using a game genie, that kinda thing? What sort of advantage did people gain by using these programs? Maybe instead of taking all of their money away, you should give poor players like me a bunch of money to even it out.

[Feachie]

Okay, so people were using 3rd party programs to give them an unfair advantage? What does that mean? Like they were using a game genie, that kinda thing? What sort of advantage did people gain by using these programs? Maybe instead of taking all of their money away, you should give poor players like me a bunch of money to even it out.

yeah sort of.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Rogean = Cyber Terrorist

[Feachie]

rogean = more hax than all of you sandyvag's

[purist]

Nekkro = cheating dirt bag mad that he got caught

It's called consequences. Sucks for you, bro. Next time don't cheat.

[Excellio]

Rogean where is the proof that Toop is a hacker? I want proof. Other than you doing this Nazi Hitler shit. "I can do what I want"

I don't know the specifics of all this discussion, but I don't think that a guy choosing what can be done on his server that he maintains is on par with loading up millions of people and systematically killing them off.

I do get your point, though. But I feel like Rogean is the guy who maintains this server and therefore, he's entitled to do what he wishes with it. None of us are entitled to anything. And if his choices result in fewer people playing on his server, that's something he'll have to live with. It would be different if we were paying a subscription for this server and could therefore make the claim that we are entitled to something for the money we pay.

I don't know, I guess that's how I see it. But like I said, I don't know the specifics, and in my experience, Toop is a pretty cool guy. I don't know if he hacks or whatever, but he's a cool dude.

[to0p]

People sound so mad.

No shit bro.

Invasion of privacy is serious.

[JenJen]

Rogean = Cyber Terrorist

spoken like a true hacker

[Rogean]

Nothing private about using hacks on our server.

/yawn

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Rogean = Cyber Terrorist for placing a Trojan Virus on everyones computer to see what files they have. How do all you privacy people feel about that?

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Placeing a virus on someones computer is a federal crime you fat lard. So suck off TR or something.

[JenJen]

Rogean = Cyber Terrorist for placing a Trojan Virus on everyones computer to see what files they have. How do all you privacy people feel about that?

we dont feel anything but sheer joy

[purist]

You're a cheating scumbag. You got caught.

Deal with it.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

I hope you enjoy all the P99 viruses on your computers

[JenJen]

k

[Secrets]

I hope you enjoy all the P99 viruses on your computers

You know it's not actually scanning your files, right? Riiight?

[Jamuraan]

Rogean = Cyber Terrorist for placing a Trojan Virus on everyones computer to see what files they have. How do all you privacy people feel about that?

No one forced you to play on his server.

[to0p]

Nothing private about using hacks on our server.

/yawn

Invasion of privacy, please address.
IP's attempting to connect to my computer through console the past 2 weeks:
58.218.199.1 - 58.218.199.255 <-- Chinese Proxy
Trace-route ended: 67.23.190.70 <-- P99
Explain.

[purist]

Nah we're busy playing P99, you jelly bro?

[Barkingturtle]

Placeing a virus on someones computer is a federal crime you fat lard. So suck off TR or something.


This is a compelling legal argument.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

But they placed a virus on your computer under false pretense. Aka breaking the law

[Rali]

Even after 12 years, EQ drama is still best drama! ;) Thanks for the Saturday night entertainment, server staff! :D

[to0p]

Invasion of privacy, please address.
IP's attempting to connect to my computer through console the past 2 weeks:
58.218.199.1 - 58.218.199.255 <-- Chinese Proxy
Trace-route ended: 67.23.190.70 <-- P99 owned by Sean Norton @ NETRIPLEX LLC
Explain.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Invasion of privacy, please address.
IP's attempting to connect to my computer through console the past 2 weeks:
58.218.199.1 - 58.218.199.255 <-- Chinese Proxy
Trace-route ended: 67.23.190.70 <-- P99
Explain.

[Secrets]

But they placed a virus on your computer under false pretense. Aka breaking the law

Nope. It's not a virus.

Punkbuster isn't a virus. GameGuard isn't a virus. By your terms, MQ2 is a virus and should be illegal for intruding into EverQuest.

u mad?

[Feachie]

But they placed a virus on your computer under false pretense. Aka breaking the law

label it a virus if you're guilty

this is no different than wow's warden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29)

would you guys seriously, please, shut the fuck up? you got banned because you're bad script kids.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

If you dont like ir Feachie then go play on p99

[Secrets]

Invasion of privacy, please address.
IP's attempting to connect to my computer through console the past 2 weeks:
58.218.199.1 - 58.218.199.255 <-- Chinese Proxy
Trace-route ended: 67.23.190.70 <-- P99
Explain.

Holy shit, something connected to your computer! I didn't know you had to connect to another computer to establish a connection to log in to EverQuest!

It isn't a conspiracy, you cheated, you got banned. You mad?

[purist]

Cheating scumbags Nekkro and Toop still grasping for straws 'cause they're mad they got caught, lol.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Invasion of privacy, please address.
IP's attempting to connect to my computer through console the past 2 weeks:
58.218.199.1 - 58.218.199.255 <-- Chinese Proxy
Trace-route ended: 67.23.190.70 <-- P99
Explain..

[to0p]

Holy shit, something connected to your computer! I didn't know you had to connect to another computer to establish a connection to log in to EverQuest!

It isn't a conspiracy, you cheated, you got banned. You mad?

Quite mad, I would tell you to suck a dick but you would enjoy that ;)

[Feachie]

If you dont like ir Feachie then go play on p99

I play on p99 asshat. and you're still bad :rolleyes:

ok ok i'm sorry, be honest, did you get suspended? i'm just curious.

[Nariko]

No shit bro.

Invasion of privacy is serious.

Invasion of privacy?
Last I'd checked, regardless of a virus or a program entering your computer, the action of knowingly invading another individuals personal privacy -> is legally known as cyber terrorism and is a federal offense (according to the lawyer in the next room over that is..) :eek:

[Feachie]

i don't understand how people can be so gutsy to run mq2/seq/whatev and yet understand so little.

[SearyxTZ]

lol @ every hunk of shit who got banned


enjoy leveling ur character up + never being able to use MQ again :cool:

[Secrets]

Invasion of privacy?
Last I'd checked, regardless of a virus or a program entering your computer, the action of knowingly invading another individuals personal privacy -> is legally known as cyber terrorism and is a federal offense (according to the lawyer in the next room over that is..) :eek:

Here's the thing: It's not invading your privacy by detecting known cheat programs.

You might wanna change your sig to be the leader of peace pipe, too.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I hope you enjoy all the P99 viruses on your computers

If it helps detect cheaters/hackers like you, then LOAD UP THE P99 VIRUSES!!!

[Stibe]

Invasion of privacy?
Last I'd checked, regardless of a virus or a program entering your computer, the action of knowingly invading another individuals personal privacy -> is legally known as cyber terrorism and is a federal offense (according to the lawyer in the next room over that is..) :eek:

:rolleyes: Young lawyer in the next room

[Drogula]

Just goes to show...

Cheaters prosper...

Then they get all their platinum taken away, they lose 60% total xp, and they are removed from the populous for 2 weeks.

[to0p]

Here's the thing: It's not invading your privacy by detecting known cheat programs.

By detecting their location, as explained in the IRC file that is logged on my computer.
The sole reason the RIAA cant sue people for downloading music, they are not allowed to know where on the computer the files are located, as they are not allowed to walk into your house and know the layout without a warrant.

Invasion of privacy.

Thanks, hope you guys know what you're getting into.

[purist]

(according to the lawyer in the next room over that is..) :eek:

LOL

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Rogean sucks hairy goat dick......

[lethdar]

o man, SO MUCH ACKER ANGER

[Prom Night Dumpster Baby]

Invasion of privacy?
Last I'd checked, regardless of a virus or a program entering your computer, the action of knowingly invading another individuals personal privacy -> is legally known as cyber terrorism and is a federal offense (according to the lawyer in the next room over that is..) :eek:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/devillain/MY-PUSSY-STINKS-LIKE-FIRE-GIANTS.jpg

[Barkingturtle]

privacy


I don't think a couple of you know what this word means.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Invasion of privacy?
Last I'd checked, regardless of a virus or a program entering your computer, the action of knowingly invading another individuals personal privacy -> is legally known as cyber terrorism and is a federal offense (according to the lawyer in the next room over that is..) :eek:

Right, because Punkbuster is always under federal investigation.

[lethdar]

anger ackers gonna sue p99 OH NO OH NO

[Excellio]

But they placed a virus on your computer under false pretense. Aka breaking the law

This actually isn't a bad argument. Unless somewhere in the fine print they specify that they will check your hard drive for prohibited software, I don't know that it's technically legal to do it.

However, because there's no real damage (broken computer, loss of actual money, making public the personal contents of a hard drive, phishing passworded accounts, etc.), I don't know that any law enforcement agency would take the time to prosecute such a case when they have actual crimes with discernable real-world victims. If you find that your personal information has been compromised and you're concerned that P99's actions have resulted in actual damages to you that you can demonstrate (outside the world of Norrath), then perhaps you should pursue your case in a legal avenue. Otherwise, it may be time to accept that you used programs that you agreed not to use, and the administrators of this server discovered your violation of the terms.

Again, I don't know who all was caught, and I don't know if any of them actually used the programs in question. I'm just analyzing the situation at face value.

[Secrets]

By detecting their location, as explained in the IRC file that is logged on my computer.

Thanks, hope you guys know what you're getting into.

Holy shit, they scanned for something and they found it. They are terrible people. A file path is not invasion of privacy.

[JenJen]

i would love these guys to actually take this to the court room

in front of friends, family, strangers...

"I GOT BANNED FROM EQ P99 BUT HERE IS MY EVIDENCE WHY I AM INNOCENT, YOUR HONOR"

[Stibe]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/devillain/MY-PUSSY-STINKS-LIKE-FIRE-GIANTS.jpg

LMAO

[to0p]

Holy shit, they scanned for something and they found it. They are terrible people. A file path is not invasion of privacy.


:)

[Nariko]

Here's the thing: It's not invading your privacy by detecting known cheat programs.

Detecting how may I ask?
I hope not using these dll fies? That would be very unfortunate...

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Umm Secrets under your theory there is no need for a search warrant then. B/c if they just found it each time then it is ok? No there are laws in the US

[to0p]

LMAO

http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh4.jpg

[Feachie]

By detecting their location, as explained in the IRC file that is logged on my computer.
The sole reason the RIAA cant sue people for downloading music, they are not allowed to know where on the computer the files are located, as they are not allowed to walk into your house and know the layout without a warrant.

Invasion of privacy.

Thanks, hope you guys know what you're getting into.

Toop, there's already a precedent; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29

Warden now scans Warcraft game memory space only, with exception of a few tools.

The things Warden currently looks for in-process includes but is not limited to:

Model edits.
Known cheat modules (DLLs)
Known modifications to game functions
Known cheating addons
Speedhacks
Known API hooks from cheats

The things Warden currently looks for out-of-process includes but is not limited to:

Known cheating drivers (rootkits)


I bolded what you should take and stfu about. good luck with your lawsuit.

[to0p]

Toop, there's already a precedent; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29



I bolded what you should take and stfu about. good luck with your lawsuit.


http://peacepipeguild.com/img/hgh4.jpg

[Feachie]

because you're bad and obv stupid

[Uthgaard]

Less talk, more action.

[Secrets]

Umm Secrets under your theory there is no need for a search warrant then. B/c if they just found it each time then it is ok? No there are laws in the US

It's fucking everquest lol. What are you going to tell the law enforcement, I got banned in my favorite video game and because of the ways they were detecting you, you want justice on the people who stopped you from using a free service?

Fuck off.

[to0p]

Less talk, more action.

Call to action? :eek:

[Rogean]

Pro Tip: When you inject a program into the client, like macroquest, it stores in memory the path to the file. No need to scan hard drives. This is exactly the same as loading, say, a music file into Winamp, when you click the open button and specify exactly where on your hard drive the file is.

Dumbasses. You gave yourselves up.

[Prom Night Dumpster Baby]

to0p mad cuz he lost his plat he bought with Paypal.

[to0p]

It's fucking everquest lol. What are you going to tell the law enforcement, I got banned in my favorite video game and because of the ways they were detecting you, you want justice on the people who stopped you from using a free service?

Fuck off.

No more like selective banning.

Talking to ppl in voice chat now who are still cheating.

Have fun with this fake suspension/banning crusade.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Ok now for a serious question. This is super ceral. Did people from Tr get banned? If they did then I will stop bitching lol

[purist]

Toop, take a deep breath and count to 10, that Y-shaped vein on your forehead is about to burst.

[Feachie]

Pro Tip: When you inject a program into the client, like macroquest, it stores in memory the path to the file. No need to scan hard drives. This is exactly the same as loading, say, a music file into Winamp, when you click the open button and specify exactly where on your hard drive the file is.

Dumbasses. You gave yourselves up.

i knew it :D such hax <3

[Goraxx]

Rogean wins thread. Game over man, game over.

[to0p]

to0p mad cuz he lost his plat he bought with Paypal.

lol i sold it all to mhead and he got banned
made like $400

[Nekkro Pheliac]

and 1 more thing. Rogean sucks hairy smelly goat dick...... with skin flakes falling off

[Misto]

Pro Tip: I SCAN UR HARDDRIVESSSSSSS.

Dumbasses. You gave yourselves up.

HEZ SKANNING UR HARDDRIVES GAIZ

[lethdar]

So much impotent rage coming from toop, rogean shit all over his cornflakes.

[purist]

lol i sold it all to mhead and he got banned
made like $400

confirmed RMT

perma ban please

[to0p]

and 1 more thing. Rogean sucks hairy smelly goat dick...... with skin flakes falling off

And secrets sucks the flakes off ;)

[Slathar]

Detecting how may I ask?
I hope not using these dll fies? That would be very unfortunate...

you look like you live in a trailer park. also you're ugly

[Secrets]

And secrets sucks the flakes off ;)

You seem mad.

[to0p]

You seem mad.

No but its making you mad ;) or excited!

[Rogean]

Have fun with this fake suspension/banning crusade.

So wait now it isn't a virus?

o.O

[Skuttles]

Toop, there's already a precedent; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29



I bolded what you should take and stfu about. good luck with your lawsuit.

People agree to a EULA or a ToS when they use a program with warden in it though. This is a little bit different.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Isnt secrets Uthgaar?

[JenJen]

its all coming out now. excellent.

[Rogean]

lol i sold it all to mhead and he got banned
made like $400

Okay we'll just add RMT to your list of offenses then...

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Ya, but I bet you only bann Toop and not your gay lover guild TR

[to0p]

So wait now it isn't a virus?

o.O

You said virus.

We asked if it was invasion of privacy, you claim no. Forensic detective will determine this to be true or false for my specific situation based on the IRC files I have logged of what you claim to have accomplished.

Now let secrets clean those flakes off ya.

[to0p]

Okay we'll just add RMT to your list of offenses then...

Lol I made that shit up but its great to see how quick you guys are to make sure Im gone ;)

[lethdar]

Hey toop, can you give us any estimates of how many hours/days of your life just got destroyed this evening, nekro, any other ackers?

[Uthgaard]

By detecting their location, as explained in the IRC file that is logged on my computer.
The sole reason the RIAA cant sue people for downloading music, they are not allowed to know where on the computer the files are located, as they are not allowed to walk into your house and know the layout without a warrant.

Invasion of privacy.

Thanks, hope you guys know what you're getting into.

We aren't suing you or pressing charges. We're banning you. Key difference. You're not scaring anyone. Take your wanna-be lawyer in the next room, get him some fake piss so he can pass a drug test, and try that theory out. 50 bucks says he can't even file a motion in a court that has the correct jurisdiction.

P99 has had more intimidating threats from people more intelligent than you. It still stands. People with the ability to do, don't threaten.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

What a "acker"?

[Secrets]

You said virus.

We asked if it was invasion of privacy, you claim no. Forensic detective will determine this to be true or false for my specific situation based on the IRC files I have logged of what you claim to have accomplished.

Now let secrets clean those flakes off ya.

Forensic detectives ain't got shit on me, because I ain't invading your privacy.

[Slathar]

Forensic detective will determine this to be true or false for my specific situation

LOOOOOOOOOL

[to0p]

Hey toop, can you give us any estimates of how many hours/days of your life just got destroyed this evening, nekro, any other ackers?

None, ask rogean when people begin the exidus from p99.

[Excellio]

To those of you who feel your privacy has been violated in some fashion:

Establish a case with demonstrable damages including specific private information that was taken, like bank account numbers or pictures of your family, or demonstrate that this action resulted in your computer no longer functioning properly, and then you can take your complaint to the proper avenues. However, I don't believe that discussing it on the forums of the organization that you're claiming has wronged you is a course of action that will lead to resolution you seek. It's unlikely that Rogean is going to change his mind about this, regardless of what you say to him about it.

If you can not establish a case demonstrating how you personally have been victimized in the real world (not Norrath), then there really is no further cause for discussion, and you may continue to play on this server under the terms you initially agreed to, or you have the option to play elsewhere, or not at all.

[Secrets]

Isnt secrets Uthgaar?

nope. I am not.

[Feachie]

People agree to a EULA or a ToS when they use a program with warden in it though. This is a little bit different.

grey area. how can rogean write an eula for software he doesn't own?

by signing up for eqemu it's implied that you do so at your peril. also rogean explained what is detected and how, and that isn't illegal since you're injecting the code, not him.

[Cosette]

My question is if ShowEQ and whatever the hell the other thing is embeds itself into the .dll or whatever of EverQuest as a whole and cannot attach itself to a specific server, and bans and suspensions are occurring strictly because the file was found, how can we prove specific people are using it FOR the server, and not for other servers or the development of their own?

I feel like that is something to take into consideration before assuming everyone cheaters just because they are complaining.

And it's just a question, so don't be a prick in your response. Not all of us are programmers here. Thanks.

[to0p]

nope. I am not.

lol yes you are your IP's match

[Prom Night Dumpster Baby]

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/devillain/Raid-today-the-EC-tunnel.jpg

[Xantille]

lol @ every hunk of shit who got banned


enjoy leveling ur character up + never being able to use MQ again :cool:

[bjosh]

Im just going to roll a ranger named macroquest, thats all i used the shit for anyways. druid track sucks fat pensi, mage track = way better

[purist]

Forensic detective will determine this to be true or false for my specific situation based on the IRC files I have logged of what you claim to have accomplished.

LMAO @ "forensic detective" you truly brought me tears of joy and laughter

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Funny he doesnt own the server since SOE owns the rights to EQ he has no right to protect it

[Loly Taa]

My question is if ShowEQ and whatever the hell the other thing is embeds itself into the .dll or whatever of EverQuest as a whole and cannot attach itself to a specific server, and bans and suspensions are occurring strictly because the file was found, how can we prove specific people are using it FOR the server, and not for other servers or the development of their own?

I feel like that is something to take into consideration before assuming everyone cheaters just because they are complaining.

And it's just a question, so don't be a prick in your response. Not all of us are programmers here. Thanks.

What Rogean was saying was a lil different. When another program tries to modify another program (In the case of Macroquest) then when it hooks the process to inject code, the path of the .dll or .exe hooking Everquest can be easily checked. Things like cheat programs would have different dll hooks than any other clients.

[Feachie]

My question is if ShowEQ and whatever the hell the other thing is embeds itself into the .dll or whatever of EverQuest as a whole and cannot attach itself to a specific server, and bans and suspensions are occurring strictly because the file was found, how can we prove specific people are using it FOR the server, and not for other servers or the development of their own?

I feel like that is something to take into consideration before assuming everyone cheaters just because they are complaining.

And it's just a question, so don't be a prick in your response. Not all of us are programmers here. Thanks.

it's like running eq through WinEQ2. you have to make a choice to run these programs.

[relapsee69]

lol i sold it all to mhead and he got banned
made like $400

yo dude i dunno wtf you talkin about but if i had 400 dollars to blow in anytime the past year it would of been on some hookers ( or your girl ) not you. So um quit tryn to smear peoples names just bc you got pwned k thx

[Slathar]

i cheated at everquest and im going to call the police unelss you unban me, thank you.

[SearyxTZ]

Lol a FORENSIC DETECTIVE? Get the fuck out of here, newbie. You have nothing, and this community will shit all over you if you waste any of the devs time.

[purist]

Lol a FORENSIC DETECTIVE? Get the fuck out of here, newbie. You have nothing, and this community will shit all over you if you waste any of the devs time.

[Excellio]

My question is if ShowEQ and whatever the hell the other thing is embeds itself into the .dll or whatever of EverQuest as a whole and cannot attach itself to a specific server, and bans and suspensions are occurring strictly because the file was found, how can we prove specific people are using it FOR the server, and not for other servers or the development of their own?

I feel like that is something to take into consideration before assuming everyone cheaters just because they are complaining.

And it's just a question, so don't be a prick in your response. Not all of us are programmers here. Thanks.

Good point. The thing that gave up those who were allegedly hacking, is that thing a specific fingerprint of prohibited 3rd party programs? Is it possible that such a fingerprint might exist for other reasons, like hacking on another game, or hacking on your live account or something?

[Nekkro Pheliac]

ZOMG Slathar I totally said that :)

[Bubbles]

http://www.funnycatsite.com/pictures/Popcorn_Anyone.jpg

[lethdar]

None, ask rogean when people begin the exidus from p99.

Oh no an exidus, so scurry.

[bman8810]

Oh no an exidus, so scurry.

I just wish I knew wtf an exidus was.

Is it like an exodus?

[to0p]

yo dude i dunno wtf you talkin about but if i had 400 dollars to blow in anytime the past year it would of been on some hookers ( or your girl ) not you. So um quit tryn to smear peoples names just bc you got pwned k thx

lol i was fucking with them
see how serious they take it?

[Excellio]

Oh no an exidus, so scurry.

This may result in many players not returning to P99, and I don't really know how this affects the server. But I'm sure that Rogean and anyone else involved in this decision took this into account when deciding how to handle it, and I'd imagine this probably contributed to the decision to suspend the accounts and penalize them, rather than banning them.

[lethdar]

I just wish I knew wtf an exidus was.

Is it like an exodus?

I think its like an exodus, but only happens to mq2 users who were banned today and failed to complete the fifth grade.

[Loly Taa]

Good point. The thing that gave up those who were allegedly hacking, is that thing a specific fingerprint of prohibited 3rd party programs? Is it possible that such a fingerprint might exist for other reasons, like hacking on another game, or hacking on your live account or something?

No, they're just checking your EQGame.exe to see what other files might have been injected.

Here, from Wikipedia;

In computer programming, DLL injection is a technique used to run code within the address space of another process by forcing it to load a dynamic-link library.[1] DLL injection is often used by third-party developers to influence the behavior of a program in a way its authors did not anticipate or intend.[1][2][3] For example, the injected code could trap system function calls,[4][5] or read the contents of password textboxes, which cannot be done the usual way.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLL_injection

There are at least four ways to force a program to load a DLL on Microsoft Windows:
DLLs listed under the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows\AppInit_DLLs will be loaded into every process that links to User32.dll as that DLL attaches itself to the process.[5][7][8][9]
Process manipulation functions such as CreateRemoteThread can be used to inject a DLL into a program after it has started.[5][6][10][11][12][13]
Get a handle to the target process. This can be done by spawning the process[14][15] or by keying off something created by that process that is known to exist – for instance, a window with a predictable title,[16] or by obtaining a list of running processes[17] and scanning for the target executable's filename.[18]
Allocate some memory in the target process,[19] and the name of the DLL to be injected is written to it.[10][20]
This step can be skipped if a suitable DLL name is already available in the target process. For example, if a process links to ‘User32.dll’, ‘GDI32.dll’, ‘Kernel32.dll’ or any other library whose name ends in ‘32.dll’, it would be possible to load a library named ‘32.dll’. This technique has in the past been demonstrated to be effective against a method of guarding processes against DLL injection.[21]
Create a new thread in the target process[22] with the thread's start address set to be the address of LoadLibrary and the argument set to the address of the string just uploaded into the target.[10][23]
Instead of writing the name of a DLL-to-load to the target and starting the new thread at LoadLibrary, one can write the code-to-be-executed to the target and start the thread at that code.[6]
The operating system will now call DllMain in the injected DLL.[10][24]
Note that without precautions, this approach can be detected by the target process due to the DLL_THREAD_ATTACH notifications sent to every loaded module as a thread starts.[24]
Windows hooking calls such as SetWindowsHookEx.[2][5][6][25][26][27]
Use the debugging functions to pause all threads, and then hijack an existing thread in the application to execute injected code, that in turn could load a DLL.[4][28][29]

[bman8810]

I think its like an exodus, but only happens to mq2 users who were banned today and failed to complete the fifth grade.

Oooooh, ya. That makes sense.

[Cosette]

it's like running eq through WinEQ2. you have to make a choice to run these programs.

Which still does not technically prove that one using it while developing or playing on a server is actively using it in Project 1999.

If you are fooling around on a different server, it is not just going to turn itself off because you switched to p99. Aren't exploit-related bans typically because someone has done something in the game, not because the program is running in the background?

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Rogean sucks hairy goat dick! Like alot, I am super ceral.....

[Feachie]

Which still does not technically prove that one using it while developing or playing on a server is actively using it in Project 1999.

If you are fooling around on a different server, it is not just going to turn itself off because you switched to p99. Aren't exploit-related bans typically because someone has done something in the game, not because the program is running in the background?

loly explained post 197 how they are able to differentiate. mq2 allows you to modify eqgame.exe within memory, with gm commands there's no reason for it on your own server.

[Excellio]

Rogean sucks hairy goat dick! Like alot, I am super ceral.....

If you truly don't care for Rogean or his way of doing things, why are you continuing to post here? I can tell you that if I became suddenly dissatisfied with P99, I would simply stop playing on the server and posting on the forum.

[Smedy]

No proof was provided.

All I got was "heres a link to a file on your hard drive."

And to begin.. how you obtained the knowledge to where files on my hard drive lay is a question of invasion of privacy, carrying many legal ramifications mister Uthgaard. Time to break open these recent dll files...

Let's see how you actually gathered your data, this seems more like a selective suspension/banning - there are players who know that they use 3rd party programs still playing, and still using them - telling me that they have not been banned or suspended.

This made me lol hard.

You're making it a little to obvious you were caught and now you're trying to turn shit around, hope you get a perma bro

[Slathar]

This made me lol hard.

You're making it a little to obvious you were caught and now you're trying to turn shit around, hope you get a perma bro

the swedish delegation the UN has proclaimed your guilt

i hereby sentence you to a life of stank ass fire giant pussy

[JayDee]

LEWLS.

More people on P99 got fucked for hacking than the entire population of VZTZ at it's peak.

OHMYGOD

[Kruel]

for all this negativity, lets turn VP on so the good guys (noncheaters) can have some fun. WTB new content! Youve been deraild!

[Smedy]

Can you say breaking the law Rogean? Going to let SOE know about some of the Illegal stuff that you guys are doing too :)

So first you claim innocence, then when you realize it's over you blackmail with shitty threats?

Hope you can enjoy a perma bro

[JayDee]

Harrison just had an aneurysm

[Smedy]

Hey toop, if the next post you make isn't the name of the person you want Peace Pipe guild leadership transferred to, the guild is being disbanded. If you want to be repetitive, I'm going to repeat what I said in your petition post.

Praise Rogean for his awesomeness, may he bring Everquest where Verant and Sony never could, Toop (aka hacker) free.

[Teensy Weensy]

Hello, I'm a young lawyer.


I have Vagasil for all the hurt vajayays.

[Harrison]

How so? That made no sense.

[Snaggles]

Just thinnin the herd, weeding the crop, butchering the runts, etc.

A world without cheaters will recover ;). I do like the allocation of wiped plat amongs newbs tho! Bronze and banded for all!

[Smedy]

Nilbog why dont you go suck off TR or something isnt that what you GMs do? Or repop bosses for them?

Oh snap, GM FAVORTISM CALLED

This is obviously not about keeping p99 clean of cheaters, but really all about keeping whatever guild "TR" is on top, cuz the gm's luv them /sarcasm

Seriously, why don't you just stop posting already

[SearyxTZ]

Resorting to petty "I'm sending sherlock holmes after you + calling SoE" threats isn't going to get you anywhere (and you know they hold zero weight)


The fact is people got off light here. Your items weren't even deleted - the ones you got easier than everyone playing the game the real way. Your account isn't getting banned.

If anything, I would expect these players to be grateful that they're being let off so easy.

Hacking has been an absolute cancer to EQ since its inception - on live, and on emulated servers. Any steps taken to eliminate it should be applauded.

[vinx]

Harrison just had an aneurysm
i lol'd!
catchin up in the thread and havent seen harrison post till after this
i was rollin

[Smedy]

Rogean = Cyber Terrorist for placing a Trojan Virus on everyones computer to see what files they have. How do all you privacy people feel about that?

One mad hacker, how about you don't use hacks you don't know shit about? Maybe he don't need a backdoor to your shitty computer in order to see how you hack, you do realize that the everquest client do send signals, no you probably don't

Script kid failure at it's best here folks, but rogean is a Cyber Terrorist and has invaded this kids privacy!!

This thread is golden, imma livin it up in here folks

[purist]

Resorting to petty "I'm sending sherlock holmes after you + calling SoE" threats isn't going to get you anywhere (and you know they hold zero weight)


The fact is people got off light here. Your items weren't even deleted - the ones you got easier than everyone playing the game the real way. Your account isn't getting banned.

If anything, I would expect these players to be grateful that they're being let off so easy.

Hacking has been an absolute cancer to EQ since its inception - on live, and on emulated servers. Any steps taken to eliminate it should be applauded.

This

[Uthgaard]

Hey nekkro, thanks for motivating me to look into you some more. You know that other thing you were doing that's also a permaban? Yeah, I found out. Peace!

[JBW0717]

I got 99 problems but a ban ain't one if you having ban problems i feel bad for you son....Not...

~Executioner Assassin~

[Teensy Weensy]

hahahahahahaha

[Feachie]

Hey nekkro, thanks for motivating me to look into you some more. You know that other thing you were doing that's also a permaban? Yeah, I found out. Peace!

lololol

[Nekkro Pheliac]

What other thing Uthgaard? Talking about your sexual affairs?

[Slathar]

Hey nekkro, thanks for motivating me to look into you some more. You know that other thing you were doing that's also a permaban? Yeah, I found out. Peace!

Magistrate Uthgaard on the warpath yo

[JenJen]

mega lulz all around.

[Hagglebaron]

Hey nekkro, thanks for motivating me to look into you some more. You know that other thing you were doing that's also a permaban? Yeah, I found out. Peace!

Haha pwned

[Teensy Weensy]

Can any of the gM's give a clif notes on what they were doing? Inquiring minds want to know. And the rest of us idiots do too

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Uthgaard What else did I do? Or are you making up more nonsense for your war mongering?

[Dazen]

How about a Exp bonus for all of us that didn't have to cheat :)

[Feachie]

Uthgaard What else did I do? Or are you making up more nonsense for your war mongering?

something rhymes with scooping?

rumor mill in action

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Wtf is scooping? Like really

[Frieza_Prexus]

Wtf is scooping? Like really

It's where you take one scoop of raisins and make two scoops of raisins.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Uthaard... more like Uth-Tard..... what else did I do big shot? I know you are dieing to make something up. Get picked on too much in high school or something?

[Feachie]

you sound mad.

[Slathar]

Uthaard... more like Uth-Tard..... what else did I do big shot? I know you are dieing to make something up. Get picked on too much in high school or something?

hey bro this just in:

P-P-P-PERMABANNED

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Ok, Im fine with that I just want to know the "other thing I did"

[Feachie]

Ok, Im fine with that I just want to know the "other thing I did"

It's where you take one scoop of raisins and make two scoops of raisins.

too much raisins bro :eek:

[Slathar]

Ok, Im fine with that I just want to know the "other thing I did"

dont worry about because you've been

PERMABANNED

[TR Spokesman]

Ok, Im fine with that I just want to know the "other thing I did"

hint, it rhymes with being stupid.

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Slathar ar you Uth-Tard is disguise? I honestly want to know. I did use MQ2 just want to know "that other thing I did"

[Rogean]

http://www.rogean.com/images/combobreaker.jpg

[Feachie]

rogean peacocking after his mad hax skills on display lol

[Nekkro Pheliac]

I am not getting all the references. Just be blanant with it. Black and white. What else did I do?

[Cosette]

If you perma banned him in confidence that he deserved it, I don't see the hurt in just letting him know what he did wrong.

[Feachie]

I am not getting all the references. Just be blanant with it. Black and white. What else did I do?

since you're not being banned for using mq2 which is usually a bannable offense...

what else could it be? oh my god i wonder! the suspense is killing me. :eek:

[Nekkro Pheliac]

Yep, I admitted to useing MQ2

[Teensy Weensy]

Ok, Im fine with that I just want to know the "other thing I did"

I'm sure it had something to do with you being such a ginormous whining pole smoker

[Feachie]

Yep, I admitted to useing MQ2

ok, so since you didn't get banned for that, what else were you doing that could possibly be worse for the server than using mq?

[Nekkro Pheliac]

That is what I want to know.

[Teensy Weensy]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/BadDNA/Theme%20Photos/2d351441.gif

[vinx]

If you perma banned him in confidence that he deserved it, I don't see the hurt in just letting him know what he did wrong.
he admitted to MQ2 i dont think they need to show him anything

[Roanoke]

Yep, I admitted to useing MQ2

22 pages of lulz thanks to this clown.

It doesn't matter what you did. Whining here, attempting to get a dev to "falsely accuse you of something you didn't know you did" is HILARIOUS.

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