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Rogean
08-27-2011, 05:41 PM
During the server reset today we are applying a long list of Account Suspensions.

Two weeks ago, we implemented a new detection for people using illegal third party programs to gain an advantage over the game and other players. After two weeks, saying the results are disappointing would be an understatement. Never before have I been so ashamed at the number of people blatantly disregarding rules they are well aware were being violated. We take our rules against using these programs very seriously, and we have banned many accounts over the life of this server.. enough to think it would have sent a message to everyone that we do not tolerate this behavior. Apparently, people think they can find ways around previous detection methods and feel comfortable that we will not find out. We are not Sony, we do not sit back and simply say oh well we can't prove they aren't using it. We will always be coming up with new ways to discover those using these programs, and not one person is safe to assume they will get away with it. If you play on Project 1999 (including upcoming PvP), you will abide by these rules or not play at all.

365 accounts are being suspended... that's only over the course of two weeks.

Typically this type of violation results in a permanent ban. While we are furious that this many people chose to think we aren't serious about our rules, we also aren't willing to simply throw away that many accounts. This is a one time leniency to the punishment of this offense. In addition to being suspended, however, the following will also be imposed on every character on those accounts:


The character's total experience will be reduced by a percentage equal to their level. Meaning a level 60 will lose 60% of their total experience worth. (This would result in a de-level to level 54 and 1/4.)
The character will be stripped of all coin.


As usual these players can post in the petition forum with their questions, but the discipline decision is final (we are already showing leniency). All future violations will continue to be permanent bans. Please remember to post your account name when making a petition forum post.

We discussed these decisions in length between the senior staff of the server, and much harsher options were considered, including actions taken against guilds that had many of these accounts in them (even to the point of being disbanded). We have decided not to take action against the guilds, even also taking into account that several of the raid guilds (you know who you are) are causing a headache for the staff right now by acting like complete children. That stops now. Talk to each other, come to an understanding, and work together. We do not care about who got away with what in the past due to a have a lack of evidence to do something. All guilds get a clean slate, and the penalties for training, kiting raid mobs, and other rule violations are about to get a whole lot stricter. Do not be the first guild that we use to send a message. This is the only warning.

Biffins
08-27-2011, 05:43 PM
first, and good job admins.

Dantes
08-27-2011, 05:43 PM
That's bad ass. It'll be interesting to see who disappears during this suspension.

JBW0717
08-27-2011, 05:44 PM
/golf clap

Good work.. Sneak attacks FTW!

Barkingturtle
08-27-2011, 05:44 PM
Awesome. I bet a lot of socks just filled up unexpectedly.

Pillow Armadillo
08-27-2011, 05:45 PM
Rogean. You are my hero!

nymphloa
08-27-2011, 05:46 PM
Whoa nice work..!

Werlop
08-27-2011, 05:47 PM
I like this!

Rais
08-27-2011, 05:48 PM
Should have posted a list of who it was imo. De-leveling them sucks sure, but /anon and /rol can still hide it.

Make it a feature so those people can't hide behind it.

But great decision over all. Thank you

delisnak
08-27-2011, 05:48 PM
Impressive!

Nyze
08-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Great work

Sickle
08-27-2011, 05:50 PM
First off bravo on this move. I think there should be some type of scarlet letter attached to these toons as well, or maybe a list. Just to add insult to injury.

Innovative
08-27-2011, 05:51 PM
A great decision by the staff. Thank you!

Should have posted a list of who it was imo. De-leveling them sucks sure, but /anon and /rol can still hide it.

Make it a feature so those people can't hide behind it.

But great decision over all. Thank you

That would be hilarious.

delisnak
08-27-2011, 05:51 PM
First off bravo on this move. I think there should be some type of scarlet letter attached to these toons as well, or maybe a list. Just to add insult to injury.


/agree

Pico
08-27-2011, 05:53 PM
seconding a list of characters who were caught. if they won't be banned they should be publicly shamed.

Uthgaard
08-27-2011, 05:53 PM
First off bravo on this move. I think there should be some type of scarlet letter attached to these toons as well, or maybe a list. Just to add insult to injury.

/who all "RAID GUILD" 54
/who all broke

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-27-2011, 05:55 PM
I concur, excellent.

delisnak
08-27-2011, 05:55 PM
/who all "RAID GUILD" 54
/who all broke

^^^^^^^ LMAO!

Nekkro Pheliac
08-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Question, did any TR people get suspended? Just saying....

Brut
08-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Can we get some hard number on how much plat was removed as total? Curious! =p

Yukahwa
08-27-2011, 05:58 PM
I appreciate it STAFF. Keep up the good work.

Daradain
08-27-2011, 05:59 PM
Well done! Awesome job laying down the law =D

Zalgyr
08-27-2011, 05:59 PM
Awesome. Makes me so glad I play on this server. Great job, admins!

List would be interesting...

Nepenthe
08-27-2011, 05:59 PM
Nice

Like Rais mentioned I think they should get a badge of dishonor to carry for the term of their sentence.

Appreciate the bannings though; cheaters disrupt the flow and feel of games.

Xatava
08-27-2011, 06:01 PM
should have been perma ip bans

Cosette
08-27-2011, 06:01 PM
I'm so glad I have been fully unaware of 3rd party programs for Project 1999 existing in the first place.

All you suspended angry necros who are too mad to continue on playing should just go ahead and give me all your loots k thanx.

Sickle
08-27-2011, 06:04 PM
Week long ban?

Also LOL at people yelling at anyone lv 54 right now. Gotta wait till suspension over..

delisnak
08-27-2011, 06:04 PM
/sets up donation jar

Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin
08-27-2011, 06:04 PM
Should make them all PvP enabled. For teh lulz

Kevlar
08-27-2011, 06:05 PM
While I think bans would be more appropriate, I applaud and really love what you guys are doing with this server. Its like playing on live, but with admins who care about the state of their game!

Asher
08-27-2011, 06:07 PM
Please name names. We all should know these turds so they can receive the appropriate response from the community.

Asher

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 06:08 PM
Good work..i agree with the list of banned toons. Or give them what everyone wants! Titles!!!

"JoeShmoe The Retard"

purist
08-27-2011, 06:09 PM
Name them and shame them.

Yukahwa
08-27-2011, 06:09 PM
Titles would be a reward for a lot of people I think. Make them con dubiously to all NPC's they used to be indiferently and higher to. Obviously KOS to previously kos npcs..And a list. Haha..yeah PVP enabled is a good idea too..we can go wait in qeynos to see them trying to fix it.

Riatsila
08-27-2011, 06:10 PM
Here here, staff! Great job keeping the servers clean!

I wonder why no one is posting here complaining about this~

Wuet88
08-27-2011, 06:15 PM
The classic experience involves show EQ, fyi.

YendorLootmonkey
08-27-2011, 06:19 PM
Yay, now there's lots more people to group with who need XP :)

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 06:21 PM
Here here, staff! Great job keeping the servers clean!

I wonder why no one is posting here complaining about this~

They are far too busy failing at suicide right now. If they cant manage to play eq without cheating I would guess they wont be smart enough to go down the tracks instead of across.

Rushmore
08-27-2011, 06:24 PM
bring out the list....


when people do crimes in my town there pictures are posted in the newspaper weekly. I think its important for the community to know who they are.

vageta31
08-27-2011, 06:25 PM
I think temporarily suspending them is the right choice. For server health we need a good population, if that many people are instantly banned then the game world will suffer. Even if they "were" cheaters, they will be on the straight and narrow now because they know that doing it again is instant full ban.

Yes I know many people feel they should be fully banned from the get go, but even a "cheater free" server with a tiny population isn't that great of an option. I played on a server with a small population and while it's easy to camp things, it begins to feel like a one player game and that is NOT classic everquest.

Suspension and warning takes care of the majority of the issue because in the future no one will risk it and now there is FAR less wealth in the game. Time for the economy to come back to a decent level.

Riatsila
08-27-2011, 06:25 PM
The classic experience involves show EQ, fyi.

Likewise, it involves bans for ShowEQ ;)

They are far too busy failing at suicide right now. If they cant manage to play eq without cheating I would guess they wont be smart enough to go down the tracks instead of across.

Lol

username17
08-27-2011, 06:27 PM
Very happy about this.

Good job server staff!

Wuet88
08-27-2011, 06:28 PM
Likewise, it involves bans for ShowEQ ;)





You must have downs.

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 06:31 PM
You must have downs.

wuet88 got banz lol

Nebi
08-27-2011, 06:33 PM
also, how long are accounts suspended for?

Nordenwatch
08-27-2011, 06:33 PM
List of characters banned! They don't deserve a veil of anonymity.

Atmas
08-27-2011, 06:33 PM
I hope this lowers the price on some ridiculously costly items lol.

Wuet88
08-27-2011, 06:37 PM
WTS Fungi 500k pp.

connect
08-27-2011, 06:38 PM
notice the normal trolls havent posted here....... things that make you go hmmmmm

JenJen
08-27-2011, 06:43 PM
please name and shame!!

also great job

Dantes
08-27-2011, 06:44 PM
You drama queens and your damn list of names. It's just gonna lead to 40 pages of shit talking replies and solve nothing.

vinx
08-27-2011, 06:47 PM
A+++ admins!
Glad to see theres systems in place to even the playing field, for those that play the game the way it was intended to play!

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 06:52 PM
AH HA!

Dantes Infernus
54th Level Champion of Rallos Zek
<Vesica Dei>
"Life's short and hard like a body building elf."


























I joke =)

Feachie
08-27-2011, 06:59 PM
You drama queens and your damn list of names. It's just gonna lead to 40 pages of shit talking replies and solve nothing.

aaaand? :rolleyes:

names. **** the innocent, name the guilty.

YendorLootmonkey
08-27-2011, 07:02 PM
Shoulda changed classes on all of them to rangers for true punishment. You can get from 54 to 60. You can never fix being a ranger.

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 07:03 PM
Shoulda changed classes on all of them to rangers for true punishment. You can get from 54 to 60. You can never fix being a ranger.

Not to mention they are gonna need all those track bots now that they have to be legit.

JenJen
08-27-2011, 07:05 PM
good plan yendie!

Muaar
08-27-2011, 07:05 PM
you should have just banned them imo but good job. they knew the rules... they will break them again at any chance they get because they already did. even if you banned them they would have found some way to exploit themselves to the top again

Messianic
08-27-2011, 07:06 PM
Freaking awesome...So glad this server is run by the right people.

Asher
08-27-2011, 07:06 PM
You drama queens and your damn list of names. It's just gonna lead to 40 pages of shit talking replies and solve nothing.

Wouldn't you like to know if someone was a cheater that applied or was in your guild?

Asher

insertname
08-27-2011, 07:08 PM
You know, I thought prices took a sudden nose dive in EC lol.

Hagglebaron
08-27-2011, 07:10 PM
Ty to all staff once again, you make this server exceptional

Smedy
08-27-2011, 07:11 PM
365 accounts are being suspended... that's only over the course of two weeks.

Typically this type of violation results in a permanent ban. While we are furious that this many people chose to think we aren't serious about our rules, we also aren't willing to simply throw away that many accounts. This is a one time leniency to the punishment of this offense. In addition to being suspended, however, the following will also be imposed on every character on those accounts:


The character's total experience will be reduced by a percentage equal to their level. Meaning a level 60 will lose 60% of their total experience worth. (This would result in a de-level to level 54 and 1/4.)
The character will be stripped of all coin.


As much excitement i have about this announcement i am terrified to see that the cheaters remain intact (well almost).

I just want to remind you (staff of p99) these people need to be treated with the iron fist. One of the big reasons VZTZ fell was the lack of punishment.

I'm really hoping this is a one time occurrence, and if you ever catch anyone on the red server, you ban them for life.

I'm pretty sure there's more unlegit scumbags on p99 then there was on vz/tz

Looks like i was right, now what!

Great work to rogean and everyone putting time into this, this is one of the best things to happen to eqemu!

Muaar
08-27-2011, 07:14 PM
perma ip ban is the only way. hey smedy, long time

YendorLootmonkey
08-27-2011, 07:14 PM
Wouldn't you like to know if someone was a cheater that applied or was in your guild?

Asher

It'll be the level 54 guy trying to bum 52pp off people for a coffin on Isle 1 in two weeks.

muffins
08-27-2011, 07:17 PM
no doubt over half of TR suspended

SearyxTZ
08-27-2011, 07:30 PM
Bravo~

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/joker.gif


This is just excellent news in general.

I cannot wait to play on a red server with this in place...

Labyrrinth
08-27-2011, 07:31 PM
If you don't want to name, them, append their char first name with "cheater"

Mcbard
08-27-2011, 07:33 PM
This makes me so happy.. I would LOVE to at least have a list of names for public shaming since the suspensions are only temporary if the GMs could do that! :D

muffins
08-27-2011, 07:33 PM
why am i level 54

MelxDruid
08-27-2011, 07:34 PM
Great job devs, keep up the good work.

Arillious
08-27-2011, 07:37 PM
As much excitement i have about this announcement i am terrified to see that the cheaters remain intact (well almost).

I just want to remind you (staff of p99) these people need to be treated with the iron fist. One of the big reasons VZTZ fell was the lack of punishment.

I'm really hoping this is a one time occurrence, and if you ever catch anyone on the red server, you ban them for life.



Looks like i was right, now what!

Great work to rogean and everyone putting time into this, this is one of the best things to happen to eqemu!

Deleveling to 54 and removing coin is decently harsh. I think it is a good warning. I agree that all future incidents should come with full character wipes/account banning.

This is going to be huge for red p99.

Bubbles
08-27-2011, 07:38 PM
There needs to be a stickied wall of shame in Server Chat with the names of the banned.

/cheer the GM Staff, this was most excellent.

quido
08-27-2011, 07:40 PM
This is so fucking awesome! Thanks for your hard work, staff.

achtung
08-27-2011, 07:49 PM
Kudos to the admins, this is an appropriate way to punish the offense without hitting the server population too hard. You guys are very much appreciated.

Alienorg
08-27-2011, 07:54 PM
Can we get some hard number on how much plat was removed as total? Curious! =p

this would be great, or a rough est of like 100mil plat or something would be comical.

also would be nice, if u aren't going to name names, is a % of the 365 accounts had players in the same guild: ie 28% of the 365 accounts had characters in "Guild A" and so forth, i would save anything over like 5-10% of the 365 in 1 guild needs to be pointed out.

**waits to see a 50% for one guild listing

Senamar
08-27-2011, 08:06 PM
I will believe it when you really do something to the crap play TMO and TR pulls on a daily occurance. You were given proof of TMO wiping another guild less then an hour after you posted this crap and did nothing.

smark
08-27-2011, 08:19 PM
I say Just ban them.
That will send a message!

Lavahorn
08-27-2011, 08:25 PM
what did this hacking program let them do anyways?

Moonface
08-27-2011, 08:26 PM
There needs to be a stickied wall of shame in Server Chat with the names of the banned.

/cheer the GM Staff, this was most excellent.

Bubbles for president..? just saying.

YendorLootmonkey
08-27-2011, 08:27 PM
what did this hacking program let them do anyways?

I dunno, but it sure explained some troll/ogre warrior beating me to the hunter/forager spawns in TT back when Kunark launched!

Bruman
08-27-2011, 08:28 PM
Sad to see the no-tolerance penalty ignored. This just says "well, if enough do it, they won't fully ban us". Plat farmers and poopsockers now just need to poop sock some more levels and farm some more plat. Not really a big deal.

Then to say raid shenanigans were going to be stricter, with some of the things that happened tonight, with GMs there, with no repercussions...I mean, nothing new to see here, just disappointing that the claims of strict punishment are not happening.

vinx
08-27-2011, 08:31 PM
I will believe it when you really do something to the crap play TMO and TR pulls on a daily occurance. You were given proof of TMO wiping another guild less then an hour after you posted this crap and did nothing.
chill dude! its one day vs MQ mass cleanup that has built up over the years
what do you think is more important??

they are dealing with reactions to their action atm
Guilds prolly taking advantage of scarce policing right now
thats not the GMs fault.. thats server attitude

Badmartigan
08-27-2011, 08:48 PM
This is awesome... I'm glad to see this action take ... Very pro-active work by our staff here.. Well done and good riddance to all the cheaters.. gonna be alot of level 54s lfg i'n 1-2 weeks time lol

Deuces
08-27-2011, 08:51 PM
or alot of 54 characters for sale :)

mitic
08-27-2011, 08:56 PM
:eek: iam astouned that u didnt think so many would use 3rd party programs.

on vztz everyone (except me, of course) used them

bonehand
08-27-2011, 09:02 PM
Arg...teach me to buy an account...

Suspended...but mine is not. Guess I play my lowbie! LFG!

Jjlent
08-27-2011, 09:03 PM
lol this is just so winning. rogean, you are the wind beneath my wings.
can't wait til hurricane is gone so i can level my necro with all these new 54's!

Jjlent- 60 Monk
Blane- 56 Necro

bonehand
08-27-2011, 09:04 PM
what did this hacking program let them do anyways?

Take a couple days off?

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-27-2011, 09:30 PM
iam astouned that u didnt think so many would use 3rd party programs.

on vztz everyone (except me, of course) used them
__________________



haha well played sir.

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-27-2011, 09:54 PM
As a point of curiosity were the accounts suspended you detected the use on, or did you go ahead and hit accounts associated with 'guilty' IP addresses?

Sorbek
08-27-2011, 10:18 PM
Absolutely awesome!!!

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 10:24 PM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

Shrubwise
08-27-2011, 10:35 PM
All hail Lord Rogean

well done staff

Shrubwise
08-27-2011, 10:36 PM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

seconded

Chanur
08-27-2011, 10:48 PM
Sweet maybe with the deleveling my noob self can get a group!

citizen1080
08-27-2011, 10:57 PM
If you really are a space cat then i will group with you. ( not to be confused with moon cats)

Vonkaar
08-27-2011, 11:08 PM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

lol

Tarathiel
08-27-2011, 11:43 PM
this is great news!!

Daldaen
08-28-2011, 12:03 AM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

Moar salt. Epics + Hole imo.

Lianon
08-28-2011, 12:07 AM
What message are you sending by not banning them permanently? For every account you'd "lose", you're also potential new accounts because they think cheating is "remotely" tolerated on the server.

Permanent ban for them....too many other people have wasted precious time to gain the same ground.

skybluepugwash
08-28-2011, 12:20 AM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

How about assessing every character on those accounts an additional 40% exp penalty? Otherwise some are penalised harsher than others - only fair to make them all hurt for life.

Zigfreed
08-28-2011, 12:20 AM
Son, I am not disappoint. Or however that meme goes.

Not that anyone of this is done democratically (thank god) but If it was I too would vote for naming names or giving them titles or..

May I suggest xp penalties applied to the guilty when they return?

And where are the usual trolls? How in the hell is that douche Harrison not all over this..?

Auvdar
08-28-2011, 12:42 AM
What message are you sending by not banning them permanently? For every account you'd "lose", you're also potential new accounts because they think cheating is "remotely" tolerated on the server.

Permanent ban for them....too many other people have wasted precious time to gain the same ground.

Good point. And 100% agree.

Lazortag
08-28-2011, 12:50 AM
Good point. And 100% agree.

Dude you got de-leveled to 50, your sig even says so, don't try to lie.


Auvdar - 50 druid
Lilpuff - 50 Mage

Brad_mo123
08-28-2011, 01:07 AM
I think temporarily suspending them is the right choice. For server health we need a good population, if that many people are instantly banned then the game world will suffer. Even if they "were" cheaters, they will be on the straight and narrow now because they know that doing it again is instant full ban.

Yes I know many people feel they should be fully banned from the get go, but even a "cheater free" server with a tiny population isn't that great of an option. I played on a server with a small population and while it's easy to camp things, it begins to feel like a one player game and that is NOT classic everquest.

Suspension and warning takes care of the majority of the issue because in the future no one will risk it and now there is FAR less wealth in the game. Time for the economy to come back to a decent level.

I agree, the suspension was a good choice but not nameing them or giving them a title or surname they cant remove is wrong, should tottaly put them out there and shame them. I think the oblject here is to make so it is no longer to be fun for them on this server unless they never cheat again. If they cheat again then strip all weapons they own and then after that armor lol along with the plat every time also. I feel like if you just perma ban them they will just start another account and not go through hell like they should.

Auvdar
08-28-2011, 01:14 AM
Dude you got de-leveled to 50, your sig even says so, don't try to lie.

I remember when you were funny....

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-28-2011, 01:48 AM
They're probably not banning immediately because I imagine they are trying to avoid banning people who got hit merely for letting someone else have their account info and log them in. So this will be a wake up call as it were to many of those players and not the crucifixion everyone wants. And have you read the Scarlet Letter?

Haul
08-28-2011, 02:18 AM
Cheaters suck. Rogean is my hero.

Dantes
08-28-2011, 02:31 AM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

Oh hell yeah.

vinx
08-28-2011, 02:38 AM
They're probably not banning immediately because I imagine they are trying to avoid banning people who got hit merely for letting someone have their account info to people that they trusted. So this will be a wake up call as it were. And have you read the Scarlet Letter?
^ this
thats my guess why its only suspensions as well
and why a wall of shame would do more harm then good at this point

anyone afterwards should be insta banned

Galahad
08-28-2011, 03:45 AM
Just because I like numbers;



The character's total experience will be reduced by a percentage equal to their level. Meaning a level 60 will lose 60% of their total experience worth. (This would result in a de-level to level 54 and 1/4.)


Where are you getting the level 54 from? Based on my calculations the character should end up somewhere between 24% and 99% experience in level 52 depending on how far into level 60 they were.

I whipped up a quick spreadsheet with calculations.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AotlP9K_GaeqdGIwbUk0WW9zRTkxWmtXYXRpdVJMW nc&hl=en_US

Note that the 24% to 99% holds for all race/class combinations.

valcyria2
08-28-2011, 04:42 AM
ehhh ...
dont forget, there are many peps who has'nt been cheeting so dont be so angry :o)

valcyrie/little noob-mage

Rogean
08-28-2011, 04:48 AM
Just because I like numbers;



Where are you getting the level 54 from? Based on my calculations the character should end up somewhere between 24% and 99% experience in level 52 depending on how far into level 60 they were.

I whipped up a quick spreadsheet with calculations.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AotlP9K_GaeqdGIwbUk0WW9zRTkxWmtXYXRpdVJMW nc&hl=en_US

Note that the 24% to 99% holds for all race/class combinations.

You might be right and I could have mis-typed 54 instead of 52. At this point, I forget what my test server result was.

Prahadigm24
08-28-2011, 05:17 AM
The admins and coders have been doing a really great job here!! Many thanks.

Taking away all their plat will help to fight inflation on the server, a very welcome effect. I just think the offenders are really lucky to keep their items, since some of these items have been acquired with assistance of illegal 3rd party software.

Pyrocat
08-28-2011, 05:39 AM
Rogean I fucking love you.

Moonface
08-28-2011, 06:01 AM
Just because I like numbers;



Where are you getting the level 54 from? Based on my calculations the character should end up somewhere between 24% and 99% experience in level 52 depending on how far into level 60 they were.

I whipped up a quick spreadsheet with calculations.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AotlP9K_GaeqdGIwbUk0WW9zRTkxWmtXYXRpdVJMW nc&hl=en_US

Note that the 24% to 99% holds for all race/class combinations.

you sir, are extremely leet.

Brunie
08-28-2011, 07:21 AM
I think there should be a different between people who where really cheating or some who only logged a second char on just for porting or a rezz.

deneauth
08-28-2011, 07:28 AM
Jesus I just stumbled apon this thread finally this morning, Rogean me love you long time! This brings tears of joy! I have also noticed the normal trolls are silent on this thread so it really does make me wonder!

disco
08-28-2011, 07:48 AM
Great job!

That would be hillarious if it took them 2x more exp to level as well. haha!

jetviper21
08-28-2011, 09:17 AM
This is all fine and dandy but how does everyone feel giving up there personal privacy of there own computer running an injected DLL that they have no real idea what its looking at or for.

IMHO this could be a potential for legal privacy concerns or even illegal wiretapping. If you value your financial and other personal information I wouldn't run these dll's without some kind of privacy statement or a legal binding contract that holds them responsible for potential malicious intent.

This is a huge personal security and or legal nightmare. You can say "well then don't play" but the truth is I can't trust this code thats getting executed and neither should you and the fact that it wasn't explained in detail in the release notes and the source isn't offered makes it border line coercion.

While this might have caught cheaters i think this was the total wrong approach to take and frankly irresponsible from a computer security stand point.

Dumesh Uhl'Belk
08-28-2011, 09:21 AM
I think there should be a different between people who where really cheating or some who only logged a second char on just for porting or a rezz.That activity is just as much against the rules are running showeq or macroquest. Don't cheat if you can't deal with the penalties.

Klyre
08-28-2011, 09:40 AM
I aplaud this move. Personally I would have liked to see anyone caught brought down to level 35 instantly without any calculations. Why allow them to remain in Raid level for their transgression? Not to mention that if they are brought to 52 this automatically lets them just stay there and park at Naggy and Vox.

Just sayin they should have to work their way back.

Thank you for your hard work, it is appreciated!

Brunie
08-28-2011, 10:05 AM
I think there should be a different between people who where really cheating or some who only logged a second char on just for porting or a rezz.

That activity is just as much against the rules are running showeq or macroquest. Don't cheat if you can't deal with the penalties.


I knew that but I think the punishing should not be so hard then as you really cheating. Thats my opinion and be sure I did non of that things, I just think there is a different between those things.

Ezuen
08-28-2011, 10:09 AM
This is all fine and dandy but how does everyone feel giving up there personal privacy of there own computer running an injected DLL that they have no real idea what its looking at or for.

IMHO this could be a potential for legal privacy concerns or even illegal wiretapping. If you value your financial and other personal information I wouldn't run these dll's without some kind of privacy statement or a legal binding contract that holds them responsible for potential malicious intent.

This is a huge personal security and or legal nightmare. You can say "well then don't play" but the truth is I can't trust this code thats getting executed and neither should you and the fact that it wasn't explained in detail in the release notes and the source isn't offered makes it border line coercion.

While this might have caught cheaters i think this was the total wrong approach to take and frankly irresponsible from a computer security stand point.

Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any damages the DirectX dll does to your computer. Do NOT ever put d3d9 in any other place than your everquest directory.

Hi guys, I finally found a legal way to do this (ie; only files I made myself), and I decided to package up a fix for you guys. Whenever P1999 decides to update their brown skeletons, they will be able to be displayed as texture 1. This also fixes gypsie women's alternate textures.

Included in this zip archive is eqgame.dll, and d3d9.dll.
Simply place those two files in the root directory of EverQuest (with eqgame) and your brown skeletons and gypsies are fixed for whenever P1999 updates to them.

If anyone needs to see the source code for either of the dlls to make sure this is safe, PM me on IRC and I will give you it. It simply patches memory and this may be detected by several anti-viruses as false positives.

Any questions, comments, bug reports or feedback for these fixes goes in this thread. If you need a way to test it, start your own EQEmulator server at http://www.eqemulator.org

Download link:


http://vallontallonzek.com/eqgame.zip

This patch contains a new spells file as well as additional files required for play. Please obtain the latest files from the EQChanges V13 (http://www.project1999.org/files/eqchangesv13.zip), and make sure to extract all files to your EQ Directory.


Code:

Kanras: Removed hard "calculated damage" cap for < 10 and < 20 players, replaced with weapon_dmg cap.
Kanras: Archery weapon_dmg is once again correctly being calculated.
Kanras: Backstab and sneak now require you to be behind the mob to succeed, rather than requiring you to only be outside the mob's frontal attack cone.
Kanras: More accurate NPC backstab and flying kick damage ranges.
Kanras: All potential double attack/dual wield rolls will succeed for all attack types when using Kinesthetics.
Kanras: Pets will use same calculations as PCs when doing double attack/dual wield rolls.
Kanras: Corrected the rate at which warriors triple attack.
Kanras: Offhand double attack can only succeed if double attack skill >= 150.
Kanras: High-level monks can now carry increased weight without penalty. The additional allowance is granted at levels 55 and 60.
Kanras: Two-handed weapons have had their damage-bonus modified. The damage-bonus for low-delay two-handed weapons (27 or below) created a problem similar to the weapons below and has been reduced. The damage-bonus has not changed for normal-delay (28-39) two-handed weapons. The damage bonus for high-delay two-handed weapons (40+) has been increased.
Kanras: "Damage Table" changes. In a previous patch, they were used to justify higher PC_DMG_MULT cap (correct) and a PWR-based method for calculating the max roll (incorrect). They now account for adjusting distribution of successful hits rather than just increasing the max possible hit. Chance to successfully dual wield/double attack is also affected by the damage table you are on.
Kanras: NPCs will no longer use escape type spells (gate,etc.) when they're close to their guard point.
Kanras: Fix for mobs immediately pathing away after FD.
Kanras: Enabling sneak pulling.
Secrets: Brown Skeleton / Gypsie Fixes (New EQChanges DLL Files).

Content:

Nilbog: Tolkar Parlone will now respond to hails.
Nilbog: Weltria Ostriss will no longer discuss quests involving the Warrens.
Nilbog: Tektite's quest can now be completed with apprehensive or better faction.
Nilbog: giant water moccasin melee damage is more appropriate for their level.
Nilbog: Teria O'Danos will be less reluctant to discuss her lion shipment.
Nilbog: Palatos will once again discuss the Painting.
Nilbog: Lempeck Hargrin always drops the correct Fleshy Tumor.
Nilbog: Implemented 'Shining Star of Light' Quest
Nilbog: Fixed 'Clothspinner Sisters' (Good) quest
Nilbog: Whysia Flock and Tyokan Mekase will spawn depending on day/night.
Nilbog: greater sphinxes and watchful guards in plane of sky will summon pets.
Nilbog: Tox piranha no longer give faction hits.
Nilbog: Fixed 'Piranha Hunting' quest. Fixed Celsar Vestagon's face.
Nilbog: Chancellor of Di`zok is now a 2 hour spawn.
Uthgaard: Fixed Unfired Cake Round combine
Kanras: Two low-delay weapons can now only be equipped in the off-hand. Included in this change are the Mosscovered Twig and the Barbed Scale Whip. The delay on these weapons and the associated damage bonus to weapons in the primary hand made these weapons much too powerful for their availability and the risk associated with their acquisition.
Kanras: Reduced the max damage of the level 59 Necromancer pet.
Kanras: Made Dragoon Zytl spawn when Kizdean Gix dies.
Kanras: Reduced MR on many sebilis mobs.

Taminy
08-28-2011, 10:13 AM
Great job!

That would be hillarious if it took them 2x more exp to level as well. haha!

Give them troll/iksar SK penalty IMO.

reba
08-28-2011, 10:34 AM
Well my feeling on this would be same as my feeling on wiretapping. If they wiretap you, and you are doing nothing wrong than there is no problem is there. I feel pretty safe saying jack-booted thugs are not going to kick down my door and steal my plats. I hate slippery-slope arguments. Next thing you know they will be using this code to break into my bank accounts lulz!



This is all fine and dandy but how does everyone feel giving up there personal privacy of there own computer running an injected DLL that they have no real idea what its looking at or for.

IMHO this could be a potential for legal privacy concerns or even illegal wiretapping. If you value your financial and other personal information I wouldn't run these dll's without some kind of privacy statement or a legal binding contract that holds them responsible for potential malicious intent.

This is a huge personal security and or legal nightmare. You can say "well then don't play" but the truth is I can't trust this code thats getting executed and neither should you and the fact that it wasn't explained in detail in the release notes and the source isn't offered makes it border line coercion.

While this might have caught cheaters i think this was the total wrong approach to take and frankly irresponsible from a computer security stand point.

Hoop
08-28-2011, 10:57 AM
I think that you guys should also consider taking away any high level gear that they may of goten via the cheating...

Aviann
08-28-2011, 11:02 AM
Aw shit, ruining the population of the server. Back to playing Eve now :O

vinx
08-28-2011, 11:06 AM
Aw shit, ruining the population of the server. Back to playing Eve now :O
uh-huh

JDFriend99
08-28-2011, 11:13 AM
If i had better words to say i would..... Well done !!!

Now hopefully the market will stabalize back to normal affordable prices, since i suspect oodles of pp went poof and along with it 100+kk's items

Well Done Rogean and staff !!!

Arcadiassx999
08-28-2011, 11:14 AM
I'm all for the prefix: "Ratfaced Bastard" (Character Name) on all the morons that would resort to cheating.

Thanks for looking out for the real players, now my druid is still lv. 54 so don't look at me like i'm a cheater. )p

JDFriend99
08-28-2011, 11:19 AM
/who all "RAID GUILD" 54
/who all broke

lmfao Uthgaard!!! :) WTG, and yeah im betting we will nto being see spam all day of WTS uber 250k items frequently anymore, or the WTB paying 100k more then value... I exitedly applaude you sir !!:D

gloine36
08-28-2011, 11:20 AM
The detection of the 3rd party software is not a violation of privacy rights as the server is where the software interacts. I remember when Sony announced they had this ability years ago and people threw a fit, but the point was that many people were using third party software unfairly. One of the things I like about playing on this FREE server is that the devs have established it and advertised it and are making it a level playing field for all players based on the players skill...not unfair third party software.
Basically I'm all for the bans. I know those who want to play PVP on the upcoming red server will be happy as well because of the chronic cheating that occurs on pvp servers.
So enjoy the TS cookie if you were banned. If you're stupid enough to actually think you can sue and win on this issue there are lawyers who are happy to take your money while they represent you. They get paid whether they win or lose.

Extunarian
08-28-2011, 11:37 AM
Good work....seems a bit lenient though. Going from 60 to 54 would suck for someone like me but to the hardcores it's like a 3 week setback.

Should have also lost all keys and god/dragon loot as well as deleveled to 45.

Nazran
08-28-2011, 12:00 PM
This is awesome.

Otto
08-28-2011, 12:21 PM
If the 365 accounts had been perma banned, I would come back to play in a heart beat.

Hell I might even do it now. Heres to hoping that people who play on the server are taking the hint that they can't use 3rd party programs.

Lazortag
08-28-2011, 12:40 PM
I am posting here because I am a current MacroQuest user and a Macro programmer.

I am no cheater.

I do not think all you lowbies understand what ShowEQ is versus MacroQuest

ShowEQ is simply cheating, no way around it.

MacroQuest is for people who play MULTIPLE toons (also known as multi boxing) on PEQ and many other servers who allow boxing.

Now....


Macro's are written not to "Cheat" but to control all your characters from your main toon.

Simply put...

if you /load a macro on project 1999 you're wasting your time unless you're boxing... (which would be considered cheating anyway so either way you're fucked)

I also know for a FACT, that when /loading a macro on a different server, it does not /load that same macro in all other windows.

I have not cheated for all 59 level's I acquired. I might have AFK'ed a shit ton but you know what, I put in my time and I've helped this community every way I can.

Noobies all around Norrath know Bearnuts as being a friendly and giving player.

I support Project 1999 stopping people from using showEQ to see when mobs spawn, what loot drops, etc. (these are things I have only heard that ShowEQ can do)

I currently do not mind the ban.

EQ is not my only joy in life, let alone Project 1999.

I do want to congratulate the GM's on really cracking down on 2-Boxers, the sad thing is that many people who get exempt accounts will and do box their "significant others" characters and I think that they are sitting back and laughing at this situation because they basically have a VIP card to do whatever the fuck they want.

I know the Dev's are very disappointed by the use of 3rd party programs, but they need to understand the difference between people knowingly cheating to gain benefit on project 1999 (IE: Boxing, ShowEQ) versus people who have every right to enjoy their EQEMU experience on other servers.

You cheated on p99. Sorry but that's a fact. Uthgaard even stated in another thread that they'd know if you just ran it on another server.

cobykoby
08-28-2011, 01:06 PM
I think it pretty sad they feel the need to cheat, I suppose they weren't people around in the glory days of EQ.

At least half of what I find enjoyable with p99 is the fact I'm having to work my ass off and I'm catching myself feeling how I did when I first entered Everquest.

To the cheats: If you want easy mode, I really don't know why you bothered at all, You're ruining the experience for other honest players who enjoy a challenge. You're the same people who whine in real life and have no patience or appreciation for dedication and hard graft. Enjoy your just desserts, however I do feel the punishment on you should've been harder.

To the noncheats: See you in game, keep up the good work.

Rali
08-28-2011, 01:17 PM
This is all fine and dandy but how does everyone feel giving up there personal privacy of there own computer running an injected DLL that they have no real idea what its looking at or for.

IMHO this could be a potential for legal privacy concerns or even illegal wiretapping. If you value your financial and other personal information I wouldn't run these dll's without some kind of privacy statement or a legal binding contract that holds them responsible for potential malicious intent.

This is a huge personal security and or legal nightmare. You can say "well then don't play" but the truth is I can't trust this code thats getting executed and neither should you and the fact that it wasn't explained in detail in the release notes and the source isn't offered makes it border line coercion.

While this might have caught cheaters i think this was the total wrong approach to take and frankly irresponsible from a computer security stand point.


I have no problem with the P99 staff checking whether I am running a hack (via seq or mq) as I am not a cheating scumbag. Personal security, don't make me fucking laugh. You and all the other scaremongers talking about how this is the first step to having our identities stolen need to get a grip. Fuck off.

Bearnuts
08-28-2011, 01:43 PM
You cheated on p99. Sorry but that's a fact. Uthgaard even stated in another thread that they'd know if you just ran it on another server.

Incorrect.

Post the thread.

Turdhat
08-28-2011, 01:51 PM
/respect

Nerfbat
08-28-2011, 01:57 PM
Also...I vote for a XP bonus for the week all the accounts are suspended..just to grind some salt into their wounds.

+1

Spud
08-28-2011, 02:08 PM
I am pretty satisfied with the punishment handed out. I like how it punishes both lvl 60 high end raiders and people who may be hoarding large amounts of plat through scams.

I would be pretty discouraged if I had to level from 54 - 60 again.

Savok
08-28-2011, 02:37 PM
MacroQuest is for people who play MULTIPLE toons (also known as multi boxing) on PEQ and many other servers who allow boxing.

Now....


Macro's are written not to "Cheat" but to control all your characters from your main toon.

Are you fucking serious?

From this post (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46757):

I used MQ2 and have had my account suspended. I broke the rules, I accept the punishment with zero QQ about it.

[..snip..]

What I did use however was macroquest, though in this version hardly any of the "hacks" actually worked. MQ2 requires you to either compile it yourself based on which features you want it to have available(or real hackers could make their own), or to find a precompiled version specific to the version of your eqgame.exe. It didn't take long to find one that worked specifically with the titanium client and was the same version I had used with VZTZ. As I mentioned however most of the really ridiculous stuff never worked on VZTZ, nor did I even try it here. The quickest way to get caught using it is to do things that stood out and made it obvious. Warping, runspeed, etc.. In fact out of all the features that even worked I only used it for 5 and they were pure convenience. The convenience I speak of are full time buffs of things my character could already do, but saved me time and effort in not having to do them. By simply typing in a command you could give yourself ultravision, see invisible, water breathing and even the ability to see underwater or lava without the murkiness. Now on a blubie server this isn't that big of a deal as it doesn't really effect other players, it simply gives you an advantage. No need for EB earring or fish scales to keep casting the spell. On a PvP server however you can see how broken it would be to NOT have it when most people did.

The biggest thing I found useful was the tracking. MQ2 gave you the ability to track just as if you were a Ranger/Druid/Bard, except there were no limits to the range. You could sort it by level, name, player, npc, etc..

If that's not cheating then I have no clue what planet you come from.

Uthgaard
08-28-2011, 02:48 PM
What he posted is correct. If your sole source of information about how the program works is what one person posted, the first person to tell you or the story that you favor most doesn't make it the most correct. MQ2 is a comprehensive program with a lot of plugins to do just about anything, including using it as a 2boxing aide. Most people who play on a server with bots depend on that functionality.

We can see what was used and what wasn't.

Malrubius
08-28-2011, 02:49 PM
This is awesome - keep up the great work. And let the ban hammer fall where it may.

Striiker
08-28-2011, 03:11 PM
Can the admins please post some statistics from the ban? I am interested in:

1) Total amount of plat removed from the game
2) total amount of XP or levels lost by players.. Perhaps it can be x number of 60's are now around 54, y number of 59's are now around xx etc.
3) Totals per class suspended.. I'd be curious to know what the breakdown was per class.

Thank you and keep up the great work!

jerok88
08-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Can the admins please post some statistics from the ban? I am interested in:

1) Total amount of plat removed from the game
2) total amount of XP or levels lost by players.. Perhaps it can be x number of 60's are now around 54, y number of 59's are now around xx etc.
3) Totals per class suspended.. I'd be curious to know what the breakdown was per class.

Thank you and keep up the great work!

Lol... inb4 200 necros, 100 bards, 25mages, 25 druids, 14 sks and 1 paladin. But now the paladin is back and cleared.

This makes me want to create a thread 'classes that attract douche players' and if Rogean gives us the statistics we can find out for sure, once and for all.

Uthgaard
08-28-2011, 04:39 PM
Class Breakdown

Warrior 7.84%
Cleric 10.36%
Paladin 2.80%
Ranger 2.24%
Shadow Knight 3.08%
Druid 10.36%
Monk 8.96%
Bard 9.80%
Rogue 5.60%
Shaman 7.28%
Necromancer 8.40%
Wizard 5.60%
Magician 7.84%
Enchanter 9.80%

2949755.985 plat removed

Rogean
08-28-2011, 04:48 PM
To those of you still waiting on petition forum replies: Hurricane Irene knocked out my power. If it comes back up before I go to sleep tonight I'll try to get to them, otherwise it may not be until tomorrow night. We are replying to every thread related to this.

Robben
08-28-2011, 05:29 PM
I'm donating as soon as I finish this post.

Keep up the good work!

Motec
08-28-2011, 05:47 PM
Just putting it out there. Bearnuts is the rudest player I've ever encountered on p1999. Between being so high and fucked up he lost all sense of moral compass to abuse me for rezzing him out of the blue in a complete act of random kindness most people know me for, to arguing continually and with little rational consideration, with a huge sense of entitlement.

Good riddance.

inyane
08-28-2011, 05:51 PM
365 people in two weeks?

that's like half the nightly population. bleh.

kind of meh about the suspensions and deleveling. its just a minor setback to these
types of people

but, i'm glad something is being done

seeing a lot of people online i've never seen before. all the cheaters have multiple accounts i'm sure, so i assume that is why.
frankly, every account ever logged in from the cheaters IP's should be taken down as well

Prahadigm24
08-28-2011, 05:53 PM
2949755.985 plat removed

At first glance that seems to be a huge amount of plat. But dividing the sum by the 365 accounts will give an average of roughly 8,000 plat per banned account - a negligible amount when compared to the items those cheaters might have hoarded on their characters.

Hailto
08-28-2011, 06:05 PM
Lol... inb4 200 necros, 100 bards, 25mages, 25 druids, 14 sks and 1 paladin. But now the paladin is back and cleared.

This makes me want to create a thread 'classes that attract douche players' and if Rogean gives us the statistics we can find out for sure, once and for all.

Looks like you were way off base.

Chanter4Sale
08-28-2011, 06:09 PM
a list of characters who were caught. if they won't be banned they should be publicly shamed

I aggree with this quite franky they should be perma banned cause you know they gonna just level up and do it all again.. kinda shows ur weak

snackrifice
08-28-2011, 06:13 PM
a list of characters who were caught. if they won't be banned they should be publicly shamed

I aggree with this quite franky they should be perma banned cause you know they gonna just level up and do it all again.. kinda shows ur weak

Account bans at the worst. IP ban is probably a little overboard. Besides, an account ban really accomplishes just as much. They still have to start over. Regardless, with this many people you just can't do it. It will do more harm than good to eliminate nearly 400 unique players from the server.

Oh and public shame isn't gonna solve anything. It's going to start grief and controversy in game. It will be easy enough to see who it had a big impact on, but a public list is just grounds for in game harassment. Terrible idea.

It's clear that the current method of detection works, so people who want to level up again and try and use Macroquest/ShowEQ...let them. It's only going to bite them in the ass. There's nothing that needs to be done that hasn't already been done.

Except maybe exp bonus week, everyone loves xp bonus week.

jerok88
08-28-2011, 06:33 PM
Douchiest class: Bards

Clerics and druids are the top two classes with cheaters.

Bard and enchanters are second most. However, there are more clerics/druids/enchanters than bards, meaning bards have the highest % of douche population in Everquest for a class. I don't think anyone was surprised there. However I was surprised that more necros (4th after monk)

Nazran
08-28-2011, 06:35 PM
2949755.985 plat removed

Lets redistribute the wealth to the non cheaters!

Chanter4Sale
08-28-2011, 06:48 PM
I dont know about all you guys but,

Having these accounts keep there equipment is a downright flap in are faces ( the None Cheaters)
Cause they clearly have hoarded away equipment and high valued items thru using these 3rd party programs.

i aggree a delvl but come on make it worst atleast knock them outta raiding lvl. and strip there chars.

citizen1080
08-28-2011, 06:54 PM
Lets hear some votes for rolling back all hacker accounts to Kunark launch date =)

Nazran
08-28-2011, 07:02 PM
Lets hear some votes for rolling back all hacker accounts to Kunark launch date =)

I like your mouth words!

Galahad
08-28-2011, 07:05 PM
Class Breakdown

Warrior 7.84%
Cleric 10.36%
Paladin 2.80%
Ranger 2.24%
Shadow Knight 3.08%
Druid 10.36%
Monk 8.96%
Bard 9.80%
Rogue 5.60%
Shaman 7.28%
Necromancer 8.40%
Wizard 5.60%
Magician 7.84%
Enchanter 9.80%

That's interesting. How closely does that match the overall server numbers? Bards look a bit high, but other than that it's pretty much the distribution that I would expect (at the higher levels anyway).

citizen1080
08-28-2011, 07:13 PM
Not to say the lost lvls and lost plat won't hurt...But...for example..take a certain monk who was known to farm fungi tunics.

All he has to do is sell a few items he got while hacking and he is right back up to speed money wise.

Not everyone keeps their currency liquid. If I had gotten hit with this disciplinary action I would have lost maybe 1/20th of my wealth...not much of a setback.

However, getting rolled back to kunark launch will:

A. Suck ass for them

B. Remove money and items accrued while hacking (If they were doing it since kunark launch they were doing it before as well but there has to be a cutoff and the Devs don't want to permaban the accounts which I can understand to a certain point)

C. Benefits those of us who were not hacking by removing their items from the game making the ones gained legitimately more valuable.

D. Makes them have to regrind keys, lvls, factions etc - As is its a 3 week setback for hardcore players and a slap on the wrist money wise (someone said the plat avg was 8k per account?)

Just seems the item penalty falls short. What if I had gotten caught hacking...but a week prior to the ban wave I was lucky enough to have invested 2-3million plat into a fungi staff? Crap I lost lvls...but I still got my staff bought with dirty plat.


Anyways..I doubt they will change it but food for thought. Either way well done Devs.

YendorLootmonkey
08-28-2011, 07:14 PM
Class Breakdown

Warrior 7.84%
Cleric 10.36%
Paladin 2.80%
Ranger 2.24%
Shadow Knight 3.08%
Druid 10.36%
Monk 8.96%
Bard 9.80%
Rogue 5.60%
Shaman 7.28%
Necromancer 8.40%
Wizard 5.60%
Magician 7.84%
Enchanter 9.80%

2949755.985 plat removed

Please note -- rangers least douchiest! So invite one to your XP groups pls :) YAY WE'RE FINALLY THE BEST AT SOMETHING!

Harrison
08-28-2011, 07:18 PM
Not to say the lost lvls and lost plat won't hurt...But...for example..take a certain monk who was known to farm fungi tunics.

All he has to do is sell a few items he got while hacking and he is right back up to speed money wise.

Not everyone keeps their currency liquid. If I had gotten hit with this disciplinary action I would have lost maybe 1/20th of my wealth...not much of a setback.

However, getting rolled back to kunark launch will:

A. Suck ass for them

B. Remove money and items accrued while hacking (If they were doing it since kunark launch they were doing it before as well but there has to be a cutoff and the Devs don't want to permaban the accounts which I can understand to a certain point)

C. Benefits those of us who were not hacking by removing their items from the game making the ones gained legitimately more valuable.

D. Makes them have to regrind keys, lvls, factions etc - As is its a 3 week setback for hardcore players and a slap on the wrist money wise (someone said the plat avg was 8k per account?)

Just seems the item penalty falls short. What if I had gotten caught hacking...but a week prior to the ban wave I was lucky enough to have invested 2-3million plat into a fungi staff? Crap I lost lvls...but I still got my staff bought with dirty plat.


Anyways..I doubt they will change it but food for thought. Either way well done Devs.

Pretty much this.

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-28-2011, 07:27 PM
Lets redistribute the wealth to the non cheaters!

I like this and despite people I know who didn't cheat but just had someone log their toon in Bob brings up something intriguing also.

But Nazran even though it won't happen you can take it further distribute their loot acquired. Take away all loot acquired since when, and you are on Bob's suggestion.

quido
08-28-2011, 07:32 PM
Strip em naked imo.

Harrison
08-28-2011, 07:35 PM
Strip the characters entirely.
Delevel them to 1.
Put a title on every character they make on any of their accounts from now on. "Caught Hacking"

Let's stop letting complete fucking shitbags run around anonymously.

Chanter4Sale
08-28-2011, 07:38 PM
Not to say the lost lvls and lost plat won't hurt...But...for example..take a certain monk who was known to farm fungi tunics.

All he has to do is sell a few items he got while hacking and he is right back up to speed money wise.

Not everyone keeps their currency liquid. If I had gotten hit with this disciplinary action I would have lost maybe 1/20th of my wealth...not much of a setback.

However, getting rolled back to kunark launch will:

A. Suck ass for them

B. Remove money and items accrued while hacking (If they were doing it since kunark launch they were doing it before as well but there has to be a cutoff and the Devs don't want to permaban the accounts which I can understand to a certain point)

C. Benefits those of us who were not hacking by removing their items from the game making the ones gained legitimately more valuable.

D. Makes them have to regrind keys, lvls, factions etc - As is its a 3 week setback for hardcore players and a slap on the wrist money wise (someone said the plat avg was 8k per account?)

Just seems the item penalty falls short. What if I had gotten caught hacking...but a week prior to the ban wave I was lucky enough to have invested 2-3million plat into a fungi staff? Crap I lost lvls...but I still got my staff bought with dirty plat.


Anyways..I doubt they will change it but food for thought. Either way well done Devs.


I Support this 1000%

quido
08-28-2011, 07:39 PM
I know of a guy that got suspended and such. He doesn't have much plat, but I happen to know he has at least six manastones.

purist
08-28-2011, 08:35 PM
Strip the characters entirely.
Delevel them to 1.
Put a title on every character they make on any of their accounts from now on. "Caught Hacking"

Let's stop letting complete fucking shitbags run around anonymously.

Peatree
08-28-2011, 09:15 PM
I fucking love it.

RandySlopeJr
08-28-2011, 09:24 PM
most hacker have mult accounts they would never keep there bank roll on account there hacking with.Taking there plat taught them nothing and I'm very sure laughing there asses off right now.

bonehand
08-28-2011, 09:38 PM
Here's my question:
How many have logged in since the mass suspension using MQ2 then? There has to be quite a few who didn't know of the bans and just hadn't played in the last two weeks...namely those returning to college or coming home from their internship at Argonne National Labs before classes begin.

That would be interesting...

purist
08-28-2011, 09:53 PM
most hacker have mult accounts they would never keep there bank roll on account there hacking with.Taking there plat taught them nothing and I'm very sure laughing there asses off right now.

Daldaen
08-28-2011, 09:54 PM
Lets redistribute the wealth to the non cheaters!

Socialist. /Fox News off

Sethius
08-28-2011, 10:20 PM
Douchiest class: Bards

Clerics and druids are the top two classes with cheaters.

Bard and enchanters are second most. However, there are more clerics/druids/enchanters than bards, meaning bards have the highest % of douche population in Everquest for a class. I don't think anyone was surprised there. However I was surprised that more necros (4th after monk)

Naw, douchiest class has to be Ranger

I mean seriously, all the other classes have higher %'s, but 2.24% of the hackers were Rangers. That has to account for almost every ranger on the server!

Exeno
08-28-2011, 10:20 PM
Would explain the sudden increase in lv60 accounts for sale...

As posted by many others, make the cheaters burn on a stake.. Delevel them and a tag on them saying cheater should suffice, OR post all the names, I think The true legit players deserve to know.

Sad people have to cheat at a game that's 12 years old..

Daldaen
08-28-2011, 10:23 PM
Class Breakdown

Warrior 7.84%
Cleric 10.36%
Paladin 2.80%
Ranger 2.24%
Shadow Knight 3.08%
Druid 10.36%
Monk 8.96%
Bard 9.80%
Rogue 5.60%
Shaman 7.28%
Necromancer 8.40%
Wizard 5.60%
Magician 7.84%
Enchanter 9.80%

2949755.985 plat removed

If you can, should disable the ability for these characters to use /roleplay or /anon so they are always shown where they are and that they are level 54 after this.

inyane
08-28-2011, 10:23 PM
i'd also say if any of the suspended accounts had an IP exemption, it should be permanently revoked

Lazortag
08-28-2011, 11:20 PM
Douchiest class: Bards

Clerics and druids are the top two classes with cheaters.

Bard and enchanters are second most. However, there are more clerics/druids/enchanters than bards, meaning bards have the highest % of douche population in Everquest for a class. I don't think anyone was surprised there. However I was surprised that more necros (4th after monk)

Why would a Bard need to use cheat programs? We can already do pretty much everything.

Humerox
08-28-2011, 11:27 PM
... that they are level 54 after this.

I think that it's going to be 52 instead of 54.

You might be right and I could have mis-typed 54 instead of 52. At this point, I forget what my test server result was.

Harrison
08-28-2011, 11:37 PM
Why would a Bard need to use cheat programs? We can already do pretty much everything.

MQ2 autokite entire fucking ginormous swarms in a perfect circle, perfectly.

RandySlopeJr
08-29-2011, 12:13 AM
i'd also say if any of the suspended accounts had an IP exemption, it should be permanently revoked

Changing your IP is so easy , your point is?

Secrets
08-29-2011, 12:32 AM
Changing your IP is so easy , your point is?

His point is that most hackers that are two boxing with IP exemptions will not have the IP exemption anymore, thus, changing your IP will not work for the accounts.

RandySlopeJr
08-29-2011, 12:33 AM
His point is that most hackers that are two boxing with IP exemptions will not have the IP exemption anymore, thus, changing your IP will not work for the accounts.

o o got it sorry lol

Otto
08-29-2011, 01:52 AM
8 Rangers? how many are there even on the server....

Time to check if there are any rangers still playing at lvl 60

Aadill
08-29-2011, 01:53 AM
8 Rangers? how many are there even on the server....

Time to check if there are any rangers still playing at lvl 60

I'm level 58 still :(

Brunie
08-29-2011, 02:50 AM
Oh my god what is going on here?

who never did somthing wrong should throw the first stone!

I just knew a Warrior who loggt just his Wizz in for porting or his cleric for rezzing himself nothing else and he got banned too. Are you relly want that he is losing everything? he has no plat or some special armor and he worked really hard to get lvl 57. I thing the punishing is hard enough so stop screaming for more.

This is really kindergarden 0815

anthony210
08-29-2011, 02:53 AM
Oh my god what is going on here?

who never did somthing wrong should throw the first stone!

I just knew a Warrior who loggt just his Wizz in for porting or his cleric for rezzing himself nothing else and he got banned too. Are you relly want that he is losing everything? he has no plat or some special armor and he worked really hard to get lvl 57. I thing the punishing is hard enough so stop screaming for more.

This is really kindergarden 0815

Multi Boxing is against the rules, period. He is lucky he is not perma banned and only has to deal with coin loss and getting a few levels back.

It does not matter if he did it just to rez himself or port himself. He was multi boxing...

Ennoia
08-29-2011, 03:25 AM
what did this hacking program let them do anyways?

MacroQuest2 can do anything from simply showing the locations of every NPC/PC in your current zone on your map, with their levels, current health, current loot lists, to running an automated script that makes your characters play by themselves when you aren't at the computer, to letting you 'ghost kill', or hit a mob with almost no chance of it retaliating. Speed hacks, '#zone' command (teleports you to a specific /location in a zone)...it can do a lot.

I've got a question about the anti-hack system...does it detect WinEQ as a third party program? I know a lot of people use it even with a single account (even though it's intended for boxing) because it reduces lag and memory usage by a lot.

epicentre
08-29-2011, 04:12 AM
Sorry guys I'm a bit lazy to read this whole thread (just read the 1st and last pages). I'm just wondering if third party apps such as EqTimer (simple stopwatch) and yalp (displays stats, based on log parsing) are considered cheating.

Ezuen
08-29-2011, 04:16 AM
I've got a question about the anti-hack system...does it detect WinEQ as a third party program? I know a lot of people use it even with a single account (even though it's intended for boxing) because it reduces lag and memory usage by a lot.

I don't know if it does or it doesn't, but I wouldn't worry about it.


If you are experiencing issues with rapid movement, or very slow movement / frame rate, double durations, crashing, etc, try running EQ under WinEQ2, Found at Http://www.lavishsoft.com.

Brut
08-29-2011, 04:56 AM
Thought it was suggested somewheres that one would use winEQ since it oughta help some with the phletora of dual-core issues.

Shocked that mages/necros didn't rank higher up thar btw.

rafaone
08-29-2011, 07:58 AM
Great job!!!

RandySlopeJr
08-29-2011, 08:20 AM
Great job,When will guilds like TMO be disband for hacking and exploiting server?

Acillatem
08-29-2011, 10:50 AM
% by Guild would be interesting IMO.

sineroth
08-29-2011, 10:54 AM
did some people get perma bans?

nilbog
08-29-2011, 10:56 AM
http://crumbsofequality.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rebel_scum.jpg

Rais
08-29-2011, 11:04 AM
I shall one up you.

Asher
08-29-2011, 11:33 AM
Can we list the %'d of cheaters by guild now? That would be awesome.

Asher

Pigdogius
08-29-2011, 11:49 AM
What I find odd is that no one has any fear at all of these DLL's which could cause a whole host of security issues.

I stopped playing since they went in.

If I ever buy a computer I never plan to keep financial or password information entered or stored on I might play again :P

Yes I am that paranoid.

tristantio
08-29-2011, 12:03 PM
Just run EQ via Wine on Linux and you don't have to worry about your DLL's messing with anything else :D

Messianic
08-29-2011, 12:07 PM
Oh my god what is going on here?
I just knew a Warrior who loggt just his Wizz in for porting or his cleric for rezzing himself nothing else and he got banned too. Are you relly want that he is losing everything?

Let's say I actually believe your crap is 100% accurate (oh I only did X when I hacked/2boxed/etc), which I don't.

Unless he used a special program to be able to 2-box (he gets IP Blocked and can't login with both at the same time), he wouldn't be able to port or rezz himself. He intentionally averted a login mechanic to be able to do those things. He intentionally broke the rules.

He's intentionally getting the stated penalty for the stated violation. I don't see how you can't understand this.

bonehand
08-29-2011, 01:27 PM
How many accounts actually will lose more than 10Kpp? Of the less than 3000kpp, and an average of 8kpp per account, this amount seems irritatingly low. I have to assume the real hackers were storing on a second account, probably from a different IP. The ones using MQ2 to spawn camp (i.e 60 Necro in LGuk claiming the all rares in the whole zone or the warrior hunting his seb key or someone just zoning to see if XXX is up) veritably went unpunished...how is 3000kpp or 8k per account even a dent? I know I farmed up 10K in loot just the other day from one camp where MQ2/SEQ/MySEQ/<Insert your hack here> wouldn't even help...couple hours and a lot of kills with a 48 at a stationary camp...simple to make up the 8Kpp per account loss. Almost a joke amount!

Thus the money loss is a kinda silly and trivial punishment that in essence is meaningless.

As for the people calling for perma bans, or deleveling to 1, or stripping the character...how is that going to make a difference then if this ban is going to really affect the economy for the better if the acounts that had the cash weren't even affected?

Anyone can go to eqemu and make a new toon. If they were storing millions and their 10 fungi tunics and their who knows what else on a secondary account, it's perfectly reasonable they will be in dragon loot on their new level 1 characters. Now that MQ2 appears detected...and mind you, that is probably only for now, since someone who really wants to hack, will continue doing so. Everything is accessible in the client to enable maps or do the hacks that MQ2 supposedly allowed from another post until MQ2 comes up with a different solution...

Anyway, I half expect more than 50% of those bitching one way or another have tried MQ2 and just hadn't used it in the 2 week period that led up to the bans because either you found it to be complicated or not useful in your play style...it's not like a rocket scientist is involved in installing a precompiled program, but using it can be difficult...after all, you did hack EQ to get on p99 and you probably torrented the titanium client instead of buying one since they are impossible to find, so complaining about someone else who hacked is a joke.

Finally, about the rants you players have posted in this whole news thread, "it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." The devs have given their punishment. Deal with it...they shouldn't have to listen to you, anymore than they should listen to those who were caught in the act.

Exeno
08-29-2011, 02:38 PM
Wtf is a third party account?.. Sounds serious!

Torin_Stormchaser
08-29-2011, 09:48 PM
I think that all the money removed from the people should be put into a random lottery of some sort.

Rogean
08-30-2011, 12:06 AM
Pretty sure I'm caught up with threads in petition forum. If you are still waiting for a reply (in relation to these suspensions), bump your thread.

RandySlopeJr
08-30-2011, 12:21 AM
Pretty sure I'm caught up with threads in petition forum. If you are still waiting for a reply (in relation to these suspensions), bump your thread.

Rogean I sure hope you disband a few guilds like TMO for hacking and exploiting game.

George_Smith
08-30-2011, 12:21 AM
Hello,

Is this new detection by any chance look like a trojan horse. My anti-virus will no long allow the wsock32.dll file to be on my computer because its detecting a trojan on that file.

I'm currently looking at how to disable my anti-virus for this file, but thought I'd give you a heads up that other (non-cheaters) anti-viruses are probably going to be removing this file as well.

George

bionicbadger
08-30-2011, 12:33 AM
Rogean, that is still pussying out. Perma ban them all now and all accounts created on those IP addresses as well.
2 week suspension and warnings is fucking bush league. Man up and boot those fuckers off for good.

Wonton
08-30-2011, 12:35 AM
Level 54 1/2 lfg

RandySlopeJr
08-30-2011, 12:37 AM
Rogean, that is still pussying out. Perma ban them all now and all accounts created on those IP addresses as well.
2 week suspension and warnings is fucking bush league. Man up and boot those fuckers off for good.

I think they all should be perma banned and guild they come from disbanded for good..






Quote:

Originally Posted by Loly Taa
I dropped out of highscool cause I straight up was sick of going. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who made the same choice

Melltes
08-30-2011, 01:38 AM
Looks like someone that got banned reported wsock32.dll (from the last update) as a trojan horse. Someone is all butthurt that they can't use their hacks.

Ennoia
08-30-2011, 01:41 AM
Level 54 1/2 lfg

Noooo Wonton...not you...not after all that time we spent at AC together....NOOOOO!!!!!

Brunie
08-30-2011, 02:52 AM
Finally, about the rants you players have posted in this whole news thread, "it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." The devs have given their punishment. Deal with it...they shouldn't have to listen to you, anymore than they should listen to those who were caught in the act.


I fully agree with that

it give nothing else to say

George_Smith
08-30-2011, 03:46 AM
Well I still haven't figure out how to get Norton 360 to stop deleting that winsock file :/. I put it on the exempt list but it still removes it when I unzip the file. Anyone have any ideas? I prefer not to run with my anti-virus shut off.

George

h0tr0d (shaere)
08-30-2011, 03:48 AM
Don't use Nortons. Panda ftw.

Melltes
08-30-2011, 04:43 AM
Well I still haven't figure out how to get Norton 360 to stop deleting that winsock file :/. I put it on the exempt list but it still removes it when I unzip the file. Anyone have any ideas? I prefer not to run with my anti-virus shut off.

George

temporarily disable auto protect, extract the file, run insight on the file, and click trust.

Vladesch
08-30-2011, 07:12 AM
should have been perma ip bans

Not a good idea because many ISP's share their addresses around and you get a new one when the DSL line resets.

I do think the punishment was a bit lenient though.
Giving them a title of "the cheater" would be cute.

Mezzmur
08-30-2011, 09:51 AM
Giving them a title of "the cheater" would be cute.

Yeah, or put a * at the end of all their names. Like barry bonds in his MLB records books.

Loremasten
08-30-2011, 10:01 AM
I am having the same problem that George Smith is having. My Nortons is keeping me from having that dll file on my computer. Says its a trojan virus. Makes me nervous seeing it pop up as a virus.

Loremasten
08-30-2011, 10:06 AM
temporarily disable auto protect, extract the file, run insight on the file, and click trust.

Right on!!!!!! It worked! Thanks

Raavak
08-30-2011, 10:39 AM
I guess I don't understand what they were caught doing. I'm mildly curious :P
[edit: nm i think i read it now]

Also, I think they should have stripped them and set them to 1. The power gamers they are they would still all be 60 in a month or so prolly.

How about some GM events where prenerf guise of deceivers and manastones drop for the cheaters get back?

Moonface
08-30-2011, 02:46 PM
His point is that most hackers that are two boxing with IP exemptions will not have the IP exemption anymore, thus, changing your IP will not work for the accounts.

i thought IP exemptions were just a flag to the account, making it so there is no conflict if that account and another access through the same IP.

perma ban is the only way they will learn, even if 75% of them were from TR.

Mad Jacq
08-30-2011, 07:22 PM
And I'm still not playing. I went from being all "yay" about the fact that cheaters were being suspended to being all "oh" when it came to me not being able to play because there is a Norton bona fide "Trojan Horse" in the latest patch.

"But .dlls are fine, it's a false positive, etc."

Whatever dude. For those of us who work for a living and use our computers for more than game playing anytime ANY legitimate virus software calls something queer we have to pause no matter the circumstance.

Humerox
08-30-2011, 08:20 PM
And I'm still not playing. I went from being all "yay" about the fact that cheaters were being suspended to being all "oh" when it came to me not being able to play because there is a Norton bona fide "Trojan Horse" in the latest patch.

Any code that changes the behavior of an .exe can be flagged by AV as a positive hit...

Nothing for me to gain by telling you the file is OK. You can bet your bottom dollar people have decompiled the .dll to examine the source code.

Torin_Stormchaser
08-30-2011, 08:43 PM
And I'm still not playing. I went from being all "yay" about the fact that cheaters were being suspended to being all "oh" when it came to me not being able to play because there is a Norton bona fide "Trojan Horse" in the latest patch.

"But .dlls are fine, it's a false positive, etc."

Whatever dude. For those of us who work for a living and use our computers for more than game playing anytime ANY legitimate virus software calls something queer we have to pause no matter the circumstance.

I wouldn't ever call Norton a legitimate antivirus software. Norton blocks fresh out of the box programs from me all the time on my work computer and still lets viruses rape that system. Nearly every other Antivirus out there is better than Norton, even half the free ones.

Stop playing if you're scared of a Norton alert, or scan the files with any other legitimate antivirus and nothing will come up, and be happy that the mods are doing their jobs and catching those who cheat.

Also, I apologize for being foul. I just had to repair 12 computers that were "protected by norton" that were filled with spyware and adware and more than a few keyloggers. It's been a frustrating day.

Humerox
08-30-2011, 11:20 PM
I just had to repair 12 computers that were "protected by norton" that were filled with spyware and adware and more than a few keyloggers. It's been a frustrating day.

You must be in IT, lol. That's a $$ day for me. I love Norton and McAfee.

RandySlopeJr
08-30-2011, 11:49 PM
Staff of P1999 wh you guys start disbanding guilds like TMO that were caught hacking,cheating and exploiting server?









Quote:

Originally Posted by Loly Taa
I dropped out of highscool cause I straight up was sick of going. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who made the same choice

Alkorin
08-31-2011, 07:21 AM
Staff of P1999 wh you guys start disbanding guilds like TMO that were caught hacking,cheating and exploiting server?

Would someone please forum ban this moron?

Alkorin
08-31-2011, 07:23 AM
You must be in IT, lol. That's a $$ day for me. I love Norton and McAfee.

Man, if only I were a consultant where I work now instead of an employee... we run Symantec Endpoint Protection. Endless issues, false positives by the minute, slow performance. It's heaven for someone who gets paid by the job.

RandySlopeJr
08-31-2011, 08:04 AM
Would someone please forum ban this moron?

You mad bro? Sucks when halfyour guild get caught for hacking and exoliting server?













Quote:

Originally Posted by Loly Taa
I dropped out of highscool cause I straight up was sick of going. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who made the same choice

Tyen01
08-31-2011, 09:14 AM
Staff of P1999 wh you guys start disbanding guilds like TMO that were caught hacking,cheating and exploiting server?

As long as they join Fish Bait afterwards.

Bohab
08-31-2011, 01:05 PM
Man, if only I were a consultant where I work now instead of an employee... we run Symantec Endpoint Protection. Endless issues, false positives by the minute, slow performance. It's heaven for someone who gets paid by the job.

Hmm we run SEP as well on over 100 stations... we never have false positives or issues in general. Actually deployed it over a year ago and it's been nothing but dependable and easy to administrate... odd.

Alkorin
08-31-2011, 04:34 PM
Hmm we run SEP as well on over 100 stations... we never have false positives or issues in general. Actually deployed it over a year ago and it's been nothing but dependable and easy to administrate... odd.

This can depend on how restrictive your policy is. Ours is beyond draconian.

cameroncoolcarter
08-31-2011, 06:43 PM
GET 'EM!

Magonian
08-31-2011, 07:21 PM
NICE JOB DEVS!!.... but I say... BAN CHEATERS 100%.. thats the strongest message that should be sent... its the only punishment that should exist for cheating bastards!!!!!

jetviper21
08-31-2011, 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secrets
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any damages the DirectX dll does to your computer. Do NOT ever put d3d9 in any other place than your everquest directory.

Hi guys, I finally found a legal way to do this (ie; only files I made myself), and I decided to package up a fix for you guys. Whenever P1999 decides to update their brown skeletons, they will be able to be displayed as texture 1. This also fixes gypsie women's alternate textures.

Included in this zip archive is eqgame.dll, and d3d9.dll.
Simply place those two files in the root directory of EverQuest (with eqgame) and your brown skeletons and gypsies are fixed for whenever P1999 updates to them.

If anyone needs to see the source code for either of the dlls to make sure this is safe, PM me on IRC and I will give you it. It simply patches memory and this may be detected by several anti-viruses as false positives.

Any questions, comments, bug reports or feedback for these fixes goes in this thread. If you need a way to test it, start your own EQEmulator server at http://www.eqemulator.org

Download link:


http://vallontallonzek.com/eqgame.zip


Wrong dll's and the link is dead lets see some source

healius
09-01-2011, 12:13 AM
i cant help but think how many people made the suspended list because they were using a 3rd party software while playing on another server that does allow MQ2 for instance to be used like on Stormhaven , when u i load MQ2 for stormhaven the instance i am using is too new for p99's files and it doesnt load into p99 server but alas i was suspended while never using mq to get an edge on server but i guess thats just the way it goes huh

Perhaps in the future it would be prudent to actually see who is using the 3rd party program to track or warp or whatever else and not just assume people are using it ???? but thats just my thoughts

just cause i own a gun in my house does that make me a killer i think not
\

the only thing that wsock was doing was showing a list of open programs , and NO WHERE in the rules does it say i cant use a 3rd party program on another server while playing on p99

the rules p99 makes up only works in the favor of the GM's and their buddies , because i IN FACT never used MQ to gain any edge on p99 i had it open for playing on stormhaven

im just like everyone else here i cant find shit to do on p99 half the time so i have another server up and running so if something is going on there i can get in on it

suspending anyone for having a program open without any proof of ACTUAL use is not only irresponsible but its just outrageous

im just glad i got the heads up on this server and its typical ways before i got to far into it

if u want to run a server and have favortism just fucking say so and stop wasting peoples time

sellawiz
09-01-2011, 01:08 AM
i cant help but think how many people made the suspended list because they were using a 3rd party software while playing on another server that does allow MQ2 for instance to be used like on Stormhaven , when u i load MQ2 for stormhaven the instance i am using is too new for p99's files and it doesnt load into p99 server but alas i was suspended while never using mq to get an edge on server but i guess thats just the way it goes huh

Perhaps in the future it would be prudent to actually see who is using the 3rd party program to track or warp or whatever else and not just assume people are using it ???? but thats just my thoughts

just cause i own a gun in my house does that make me a killer i think not

Nice try.

Treats
09-01-2011, 05:56 AM
i cant help but think how many people made the suspended list because they were using a 3rd party software while playing on another server that does allow MQ2 for instance to be used like on Stormhaven , when u i load MQ2 for stormhaven the instance i am using is too new for p99's files and it doesnt load into p99 server but alas i was suspended while never using mq to get an edge on server but i guess thats just the way it goes huh

Perhaps in the future it would be prudent to actually see who is using the 3rd party program to track or warp or whatever else and not just assume people are using it ???? but thats just my thoughts

just cause i own a gun in my house does that make me a killer i think not

Or maybe you could just unload it when you play on P99? It's pretty fucking simple.

Harrison
09-01-2011, 06:23 AM
i cant help but think how many people made the suspended list because they were using a 3rd party software while playing on another server that does allow MQ2 for instance to be used like on Stormhaven , when u i load MQ2 for stormhaven the instance i am using is too new for p99's files and it doesnt load into p99 server but alas i was suspended while never using mq to get an edge on server but i guess thats just the way it goes huh

Perhaps in the future it would be prudent to actually see who is using the 3rd party program to track or warp or whatever else and not just assume people are using it ???? but thats just my thoughts

just cause i own a gun in my house does that make me a killer i think not

:rolleyes:

Davardo
09-01-2011, 06:32 AM
i cant help but think how many people made the suspended list because they were using a 3rd party software while playing on another server that does allow MQ2 for instance to be used like on Stormhaven , when u i load MQ2 for stormhaven the instance i am using is too new for p99's files and it doesnt load into p99 server but alas i was suspended while never using mq to get an edge on server but i guess thats just the way it goes huh

Perhaps in the future it would be prudent to actually see who is using the 3rd party program to track or warp or whatever else and not just assume people are using it ???? but thats just my thoughts

just cause i own a gun in my house does that make me a killer i think not

They know you were using it for P99 with their new trojan.

Til they state exactly what it does, I'm not going to shut up about it either.

Amontillado
09-01-2011, 06:42 AM
Yay suspensions, and hip-hip-hooray to the stripping of all coin! too cool.
I think that posting all the names is kind of silly, 365 accounts multiplied by how many characters on each account, that's just crazy talk, I don't think Rogean wants to type out two-thousand(my estimate) names on here.

/spank

Norad
09-01-2011, 08:50 AM
Strip them naked, port them to a high level zone, make them all pvp, send in 100 non cheater players fully equipped and make them temporally pvp, let us hunt them like in the most dangerous game, the last cheater alive gets his/her plat and levels back.

Or something.

Let's turn this into something entertaining.

Raavak
09-01-2011, 08:58 AM
You know the law: Two men enter, one man leaves.

Darkfury
09-01-2011, 08:59 AM
So you pretty much banned one person each day for the past year =)