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naez
08-16-2011, 12:56 AM
I liked how my professors would gladly accept any random geoshitties webpage made by some crackhead who just rambled vaguely about the topic at hand in order to collect some AdSense money, but always QQ'd if I used Wikipedia.

Also Britannica, likely written by 4 old dudes with wrinkly balls, is perfectly acceptable.

I mean have you even ever tried trolling Wikipedia? Those nerds revert fake shit before the page even refreshes. To be perfectly honest, there is -literally- no reason to even go to college now that Wikipedia exists except to get a shiny piece of paper that says you are only half-lazy.

Lazortag
08-16-2011, 12:57 AM
yeah good luck learning everything a math degree will teach you using wikipedia alone.

Spud
08-16-2011, 12:59 AM
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naez
08-16-2011, 01:03 AM
yeah good luck learning everything a math degree will teach you using wikipedia alone.

http://wolframalpha.com


next

JayDee
08-16-2011, 01:15 AM
good luck trying to figure out how to find how to please the G-spot while simultaneously stimulating the clit using wikipedia alone

Nocte
08-16-2011, 01:20 AM
http://wolframalpha.com


next

That site cannot create an arc length parametrization or compute a surface integral or create a differential equation that describes population based on multiple parameters.

That piece of shit can't even work a goddamn word problem.

eastadam55
08-16-2011, 01:20 AM
britannica is the worst piece of shit ive ever used to research anything. i ended up using wikipedia for my research paper on the civil war and just cited random britannica articles cause i was required to. got a B :)

JayDee
08-16-2011, 01:24 AM
That site cannot create an arc length parametrization or compute a surface integral or create a differential equation that describes population based on multiple parameters.

That piece of shit can't even work a goddamn word problem.

SNAP

naez just got
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naez
08-16-2011, 01:26 AM
That site cannot do something no1 would ever do anyway

That piece of shit can't even work a goddamn word problem that no1 would ever need besides their math 99 pre-algebra class.

eastadam55
08-16-2011, 01:31 AM
im eating m&m cookies from pathmark and a huge can of roasted nuts come at me.

naez
08-16-2011, 01:32 AM
itt: math nerds try to ease the suicidal pain of choosing the hardest yet somehow most worthless degree outside of women's studies by trashing the peer reviewed encyclopedia in the world is not a credible source and the greatest calculator monkeys have yet invented

naez
08-16-2011, 01:33 AM
man that was sweet copypasta by me

hangtime harry
08-16-2011, 01:39 AM
itt: math nerds try to ease the suicidal pain of choosing the hardest yet somehow most worthless degree outside of women's studies by trashing the peer reviewed encyclopedia in the world is not a credible source and the greatest calculator monkeys have yet invented

math degree is far from worthless. an entry level actuary makes $50k min, $100k+ easily within 10 years.

business degree is easily the most worthless.

eastadam55
08-16-2011, 01:55 AM
man that was sweet copypasta by me

you mother fucker bring back your original avatar and sig

purist
08-16-2011, 02:02 AM
someone send me a pm if jaydee ever accidentally says something funny so i can take him off ignore

Doors
08-16-2011, 02:17 AM
Naez don't be stoopid. If you don't go to college you'll never learn how to BE RESPONSIBLE.

JayDee
08-16-2011, 02:28 AM
this thread has no purpose or direction

and it rocks

naez
08-16-2011, 02:44 AM
hang 10 bra

Doors
08-16-2011, 03:42 AM
You gotta learn important things like how to shave and do the dishes.

JayDee
08-16-2011, 03:58 AM
I like Naez when he's on crack

naez
08-16-2011, 03:59 AM
you must hate me cuz i rly dont use drugs

naez
08-16-2011, 04:03 AM
also far too noble to freebase rock

Hasbinbad
08-16-2011, 11:09 AM
Naez, lol at your use of peer reviewed in this case.

Peer reviewed doesn't mean dick in and of itself. It only means something when the author is a scientist/professional/doctor/expert, so that the peers of this person would also - by the nature of the word peer - be scientists/professionals/doctors/experts as well.

Even if the original author of a wikipedia is a professional or expert in the industry, that doesn't mean that everyone who can edit that wikipedia necessarily is. The fact is that the scholar trying to do research has no reasonable assurance that what he or she is looking at represents factual information, let alone in a format which could be termed a cohesive whole, without major gaps in content.

I have a feeling you understand all of this, and are just mad about not being able to use wikipedia, but you should really not use the term "peer-reviewed" so lightly, as it really represents something that is not what wikipedia is.

jarshale
08-16-2011, 12:08 PM
Even if the original author of a wikipedia is a professional or expert in the industry, that doesn't mean that everyone who can edit that wikipedia necessarily is.

booter
08-16-2011, 12:20 PM
You are doing it wrong. Don't source Wikipedia itself.

Say you are doing a paper on the Economy of Norway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway

Go to the References at the bottom - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway#References

Use THOSE are your sources.

This is what you learn in college.

Hottbiscuits Dreadmuffin
08-16-2011, 02:28 PM
College is not about learning the material.

It's learning how to play The Game.

Drem
08-16-2011, 02:55 PM
so true

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 02:56 PM
College is a joke...

I can safely tell you that you could probably pull a 4.0 in any level 100-400 liberal arts class using wikipedia, meaning any anthropology, sociology, political science, history, and international relations course can be summed up and generalized in a few wikipedia pages/

Out of the 124 credit hours needed for a B.A or B.S you could pull your 30 major credits and another 60+ electives and cores from those same "wikiable" classes listed above and do fairly well.

You got to wonder about classes like science, math, and foreign language, in other words shit that can't be googled and slapped on a paper? Simple. You can just take a couple 90-minute CLEP/DSST exams and you now have 22+ credit hours in those subjects with very minimal effort (because shit like earth/space, french culture, and basic algebra count as college credit from a majority of institutions)

When I was a freshman, I took 12 credit hours in pottery, guitar ensemble, ethics, photography (passed all courses with a 3.7) by the time I was enrolled by next year I had 67 credit hours, because during intercession I took a handful of CLEP tests that took probably about 2-3 days to complete in a computer lab... Essentially over summer I had enough credit hours to walk out with an associates.

deakolt
08-16-2011, 03:09 PM
That site cannot create an arc length parametrization or compute a surface integral or create a differential equation that describes population based on multiple parameters.

That piece of shit can't even work a goddamn word problem.

pretty sure it can solve those problems tho

deakolt
08-16-2011, 03:09 PM
You are doing it wrong. Don't source Wikipedia itself.

Say you are doing a paper on the Economy of Norway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway

Go to the References at the bottom - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway#References

Use THOSE are your sources.

This is what you learn in college.

qft

Bodeanicus
08-16-2011, 03:10 PM
britannica is the worst piece of shit ive ever used to research anything. i ended up using wikipedia for my research paper on the civil war and just cited random britannica articles cause i was required to. got a B :)

A retarded puppy could get an A on a 9th grade Civil War paper.

Bodeanicus
08-16-2011, 03:20 PM
College is a joke...

I can safely tell you that you could probably pull a 4.0 in any level 100-400 liberal arts class using wikipedia, meaning any anthropology, sociology, political science, history, and international relations course can be summed up and generalized in a few wikipedia pages/

Out of the 124 credit hours needed for a B.A or B.S you could pull your 30 major credits and another 60+ electives and cores from those same "wikiable" classes listed above and do fairly well.

You got to wonder about classes like science, math, and foreign language, in other words shit that can't be googled and slapped on a paper? Simple. You can just take a couple 90-minute CLEP/DSST exams and you now have 22+ credit hours in those subjects with very minimal effort (because shit like earth/space, french culture, and basic algebra count as college credit from a majority of institutions)

When I was a freshman, I took 12 credit hours in pottery, guitar ensemble, ethics, photography (passed all courses with a 3.7) by the time I was enrolled by next year I had 67 credit hours, because during intercession I took a handful of CLEP tests that took probably about 2-3 days to complete in a computer lab... Essentially over summer I had enough credit hours to walk out with an associates.

And you're still a sociopathic sack of shit begging for attention on a nerd forum 1,000 people know about. Hit me with suma dat wigga slang, dawg.

Harrison
08-16-2011, 03:28 PM
Old man is maaaaaad

Luckily, he'll die from a coronary soon, related to his sedentary lifestyle coupled with excessive ED pill popping.

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 03:29 PM
Now you're probably like "You're a philosophy major Cab, you should know even though lib arts is easy there is no job market!" that's a delusion that people have that think more effort = greater rewards in a pro-profit setting such as a college institution.

My B.S in philosophy has the same weight and worth as every other degree upon graduation, it's absolutely worthless. I walk out of the institution with $60,000 dollars indebted to the government in the form of unsubsidized loans, with no job nor career... I essentially bought a metaphorical house and a car due to that debt level. with nothing in return but spending all day on monster.com it doesn't matter if my degree is in philosophy or mathematics I'm still being crushed by unemployment and debt

Somehow through all this people decide that nursing degrees are the go-to degree for instantaneous employment just like IT was the go-to in the early 90's, and it's always touted that you can make $75,000 or more as a RN, which all those statistics are coming from New York, or California where the cost of living is through the roof! For the most part they start nurses off making $17.50 an hour which isn't that much considering people that pave the highways make equal if not more with ZERO debt from college.

But people are lured by constant employment, and totally ignore the fact that they are $120,000 in debt if deciding to pursue a masters. It's also a career that totally assumes the availability of baby boomers increasing hospital revenue for constant employment...

It sure would be a shame for all those majors if SSI went bankrupt, and the cost of medical care was beyond the means of the average American because I could only foresee massive layoffs as hospitals downsize their staff

Pico
08-16-2011, 03:31 PM
the largest sperglord reviewed encyclopedia in the world

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 03:40 PM
And you're still a sociopathic sack of shit begging for attention on a nerd forum 1,000 people know about. Hit me with suma dat wigga slang, dawg.

To define sociopathy it is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
5. Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
6. Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.
7. Persistent irritability.

Just from your post alone you exhibit characteristic(s) 1,2,4 and 7

You sure I'm the sociopath? Everyone knows my posts are theatrical in nature but it truly does seem you're irritable and aggressive with every post you make.

Perhaps one of the wiki ph.D's here could write you a few scripts?

naez
08-16-2011, 03:43 PM
i have a comp sci degree and literally dont know shit about computers besides how to halfassedly hack this game's client, tinker with its emulator, and make shitty websites

now I'm going for a history degree and ... well, wikipedia >

naez
08-16-2011, 03:44 PM
what Im saying is I havent foudn the dream sit on my ass browsing internet job and I would not hire me

Doors
08-16-2011, 03:49 PM
bro you can do anything you set your mind to I MEAN ANYTHING LIKE DIFFERENT DRUGS AND SHIT YA KNOW

Cyrano
08-16-2011, 03:52 PM
The guy who wrote The Last Lecture talked about Wikipedia being a credible source after he wrote an entry in the World Book Encyclopedia about VR and realized it went through completely unedited.

Tumdumm
08-16-2011, 03:54 PM
fuck school, shits a joke they made up a long time ago just to get paid

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 03:54 PM
Using Wikipedia for sources is no different than listening to an associated professor spout off his bullshit over Inuit culture, but somehow we think that tacking the "Dr." prefix on someone makes them far more credible than anyone else, even that of an actual Inuit.

Bardalicious
08-16-2011, 04:06 PM
To define sociopathy it is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy. Training
2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations. Training
3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships. Training
4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence. Training
5. Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment. Training
6. Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.
7. Persistent irritability.

Just from your post alone you exhibit characteristic(s) 1,2,4 and 7

You sure I'm the sociopath? Everyone knows my posts are theatrical in nature but it truly does seem you're irritable and aggressive with every post you make.

Perhaps one of the wiki ph.D's here could write you a few scripts?

The mothafuckin' real truth.

deakolt
08-16-2011, 04:08 PM
My B.S in philosophy has the same weight and worth as every other degree upon graduation, it's absolutely worthless.

bahahah this is bullshit, you and i both know it

deakolt
08-16-2011, 04:09 PM
philosophy degrees are more worthless than others

naez
08-16-2011, 04:13 PM
na im pretty sure i hit it with women's studies

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 04:15 PM
bahahah this is bullshit, you and i both know it

What's the difference between a B.S in philosophy vs. an B.A in anthropology or history? Aside from subject matter of course, we take all the same pre-reqs, a good portion of our classes cross-credit, we're in the same building 90% of the time.

Philosophy plays a big part in anthropology and vice versa, so in my view yes they hold the same weight, even on the opposing spectrum how many people are getting hired with a concentration in linguistics? Or a degree in finite math?

deakolt
08-16-2011, 04:15 PM
na im pretty sure i hit it with women's studies

sexist that you can't major in men's studies. oh wait. everything else is men's studies

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 04:30 PM
Alex Trebek, the President of Iran, and Ayn Rand all have philosophy degrees...

Most politicians and Lawyers have extensive concentrations in philosophy, several Federal judges and Senators have a B.S in philosophy

the President of Morgan Stanley has a philosophy degree, Bruce Bodaken CEO of blue shield is a philosophy major.

Time Warner and Paypal are run by philosophy majors

Herbert M. Allison, Jr. CEO of Fannie Mae, former President & COO of Merrill Lynch and Sheila Bair Chair of the FDIC both philosophy majors.


So in what context is the degree useless when many of those whom majored in philosophy control law, economics, politics, and business?

deakolt
08-16-2011, 04:34 PM
well if you're talking about anthropology, history, shit maybe even sociology, they're all equally worthless.

An economics degree or a BS in engineering? not worthless

nalkin
08-16-2011, 04:36 PM
Simply getting a degree from a mediocre school does not mean much, you have to stand out in someway if you want to advance in your field at all. I mean your not just going to graduate college, get your B.S., hang it on the wall and wait for recruiters to knock on your door saying how much they want you to work for them.

Secondly, you should never go to college out of state for undergrad because instate tuition is very cheap. Couple that with financial aid and work, you can easily complete school with little or no debt. The most expensive part of college is paying for an apartment.

Its funny when people talk about how expensive college is because it really is not at all. Tuition is extremely cheap instate and you can get ALOT of financial aid depending on your situation. Not to mention if you go on to higher education, say a PHD, the grad school will literally give you a salary of ~20k a year on top of paying for your tuition.

Thirdly, you should not major in non-science because for the most part it is a waste.

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 04:39 PM
well if you're talking about anthropology, history, shit maybe even sociology, they're all equally worthless.

An economics degree or a BS in engineering? not worthless

Anthropologist's that study culture have a huge impact on globalization, how are they worthless when they're compiling research about a group of people that can directly influence politics and economics of a region?

Can't just do business and prop up a McDonalds in India without understanding their culture and behavior habits, hardly a useless degree.

deakolt
08-16-2011, 04:39 PM
Alex Trebek, the President of Iran, and Ayn Rand all have philosophy degrees...

Most politicians and Lawyers have extensive concentrations in philosophy, several Federal judges and Senators have a B.S in philosophy

the President of Morgan Stanley has a philosophy degree, Bruce Bodaken CEO of blue shield is a philosophy major.

Time Warner and Paypal are run by philosophy majors

Herbert M. Allison, Jr. CEO of Fannie Mae, former President & COO of Merrill Lynch and Sheila Bair Chair of the FDIC both philosophy majors.


So in what context is the degree useless when many of those whom majored in philosophy control law, economics, politics, and business?

I think these examples speak to the intellect and charisma of those individuals, not to the worthfulness of the philosophy degree as a whole. I could also come up with a similar list: so-and-so dropped out of school, this guy was a janitor before he invented this, Einstein failed grade school math (this isn't actually true btw), Steve Jobs worked in his parents' garage...

A good metric for determining the worth of a given degree is the % of college graduates getting jobs 6 months, 1 year, 2 years after graduating and perhaps also their average income. I think you'd find on average philosophy majors have less % hire rate than do, say, applied mathematics majors, and probably lower starting salaries too

deakolt
08-16-2011, 04:40 PM
And we're talking worth purely from an economic sense. I agree with you that those degrees are not worthless at all in an intellectual sense

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 04:47 PM
Simply getting a degree from a mediocre school does not mean much, you have to stand out in someway if you want to advance in your field at all. I mean your not just going to graduate college, get your B.S., hang it on the wall and wait for recruiters to knock on your door saying how much they want you to work for them.

Secondly, you should never go to college out of state for undergrad because instate tuition is very cheap. Couple that with financial aid and work, you can easily complete school with little or no debt. The most expensive part of college is paying for an apartment.

Its funny when people talk about how expensive college is because it really is not at all. Tuition is extremely cheap instate and you can get ALOT of financial aid depending on your situation. Not to mention if you go on to higher education, say a PHD, the grad school will literally give you a salary of ~20k a year on top of paying for your tuition.

Thirdly, you should not major in non-science because for the most part it is a waste.

So you think it's OK to give an 18 year old a $45,000 loan with no reference checks? Banks and the Federal government hand out billions of dollars every year to high school graduates that do not have a job, that do not submit their grades or activities or even taxes and all of which are subsidized

The default rate on those loans has to be astronomical, considering that when the semester refund check comes in the average student is spending $2000+ dollars on parties and video games because there are no stipulations on how that money is spent.

It doesn't matter if a few individuals can make it out with scholarships, grants, and self-payment in cheap schools, it doesn't even compare to the "C" student taking out $45,000 loans every year and maxing them out... They will NEVER be able to pay that shit off no matter the degree.

There are fucking DDS's out there in private practice with over $440,000 in debt at like 16-17% int.rate, yeah they make six figures every year but they'll always be paying off loans

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 04:55 PM
A good metric for determining the worth of a given degree is the % of college graduates getting jobs 6 months, 1 year, 2 years after graduating and perhaps also their average income. I think you'd find on average philosophy majors have less % hire rate than do, say, applied mathematics majors, and probably lower starting salaries too

Those metrics do not matter whatsoever, there are people with associates in IT that lose their promotion to people with a B.A in English, it's not the subject that matters it's the level of a degree basically you will beat anyone out in the job market if you're the one that is applying with a B.A and the other applicants have an A.A

That's why people in the upper levels of management in NASA aren't majors of physics or chemistry but rather master's and doctorates of english, psychology, business, and philosophy, we all know english and philosophy have shit to do with smashing atoms or sending a rocket into space, but they got those positions because they waived around their ph.D and thesis in front of CEO's.

So while my A.A or B.S in philosophy might be worthless in the everyday job hunt, but I bet if I had a Ph.D in the subject I guarantee it wouldn't take me long to get into some 6-figure position at a company in some human relations department

deakolt
08-16-2011, 05:00 PM
An associate's degree in IT is not the same as a B.S. in applied mathematics. We're both pulling this data from thin air but I'd imagine the people with a B.S. in applied math rarely lose their tech job to someone with a B.A. in English.

If your point is that any B.A. is worth about the same as any other B.A., then I agree with you. However, this is definitely not true for Ph.D's, B.S's, M.S's

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 05:26 PM
An associate's degree in IT is not the same as a B.S. in applied mathematics. We're both pulling this data from thin air but I'd imagine the people with a B.S. in applied math rarely lose their tech job to someone with a B.A. in English.

If your point is that any B.A. is worth about the same as any other B.A., then I agree with you. However, this is definitely not true for Ph.D's, B.S's, M.S's

I'm just arguing from the experience from others, I've known people to lose out on promotions to people with degrees that don't match the job in question. The example with the B.A getting the promotion from the IT guy with an A.A came down to the higher degree weight and the fact the B.A came from Indiana University as opposed to this dudes degree form Ivy Tech

nalkin
08-16-2011, 05:34 PM
It doesn't matter if a few individuals can make it out with scholarships, grants, and self-payment in cheap schools, it doesn't even compare to the "C" student taking out $45,000 loans every year and maxing them out... They will NEVER be able to pay that shit off no matter the degree.

But that is their own fault. There are plenty of options to go to school for extremely cheap rates. This is the only point I am trying to make.


You can get a ton of grant money if your income is medium-low, which is free money not dependent on your grades. You can get enough to completely cover tuition costs and help or cover room/board costs.

If you are ambitious you can get scholarship money but that is hard to get.

You can do 2 years at community college for extremely cheap rates, then transfer in to a good school. 2 years at comm college will not hurt your future and transferring into a good school is 100x easier than getting accepted to that school straight out of highschool.


The point is college is an extremely good investment if you make it a good investment. The typical person can get in and out with little debt quite easily and and major in a sound field like: math, chemistry, engineering, physics, etc. No one is preventing you from picking whatever major you want, so someone choosing a liberal arts subject is making that choice knowing his degree will largely be worthless. Likewise, a person who takes out globs of loans is doing so under their own choice since there are much cheaper ways to complete college.

But again, just majoring in a science field won't ensure you a job. Simply, getting through a mediocre school with mediocre stats doesn't impress anyone and there aren't going to be people calling you up begging you to work for them.

Salty
08-16-2011, 05:41 PM
Quality lulz thread

deakolt
08-16-2011, 05:43 PM
quality lulz with your mom on my dick salty

Neno
08-16-2011, 08:03 PM
Get a degree in anything than go teach conversational English in Japan and live out your life stretching pussy in the Roppongi district.

Bodeanicus
08-16-2011, 09:11 PM
Old man is maaaaaad

Luckily, he'll die from a coronary soon, related to his sedentary lifestyle coupled with excessive ED pill popping.

Old man gets lllaaaaiiidddd. With a woman. Weekly. Would you like me to tell you what a vagina feels like? Or maybe your old buddy who took your girlfriend could tell you, I'm sure he's hitting parts of it your 3 incher never touched. Aren't you supposed to be shipping out to the 'Ghan, to take a spot on Seal Team Six, by the way?

Doors
08-16-2011, 09:16 PM
You get out of college what you put into it bros. I know at least 10 people all who majored in different fields and they all have jobs. Most of them pay really well. Most of these 10 people had to move away to get that job.

Cyrano
08-16-2011, 09:18 PM
Alex Trebek, the President of Iran, and Ayn Rand all have philosophy degrees...

Most politicians and Lawyers have extensive concentrations in philosophy, several Federal judges and Senators have a B.S in philosophy

the President of Morgan Stanley has a philosophy degree, Bruce Bodaken CEO of blue shield is a philosophy major.

Time Warner and Paypal are run by philosophy majors

Herbert M. Allison, Jr. CEO of Fannie Mae, former President & COO of Merrill Lynch and Sheila Bair Chair of the FDIC both philosophy majors.


So in what context is the degree useless when many of those whom majored in philosophy control law, economics, politics, and business?

Abacab learned all this on Wikipedia. Just sayin...

Cyrano
08-16-2011, 09:30 PM
There are fucking DDS's out there in private practice with over $440,000 in debt at like 16-17% int.rate, yeah they make six figures every year but they'll always be paying off loans

That's abnormal and mostly for people who can't get into state schools who go straight to opening or investing in a practice immediately upon receiving their letters. In state tuition for Texas DDS programs is 13-16k per year + cost of living and some extra for tools, specs, etc. Overall if you're in state the cost of attending a DDS program is comparable to a state university. For reference, tuition at UT this past year eclipsed $6200 per semester for 15 hours.

Even if you went out of state or simply to a private school at around $55k per year you're looking at $200k tuition + living and tools. Even is we use very liberal budgeting figures and say they total another $125k during that time we're roughly $100k or 33% off from your figure. I'm not saying this never happens, but for someone to have almost half a million in debt upon leaving dental school seems ludicrous.

I recently heard that the average associate with PDS makes ~$170k annually straight out of school with ZERO overhead cost. You can put some serious payback into those loans over a two year span and still have enough to buy into a practice as a partner.

Also, I'm not sure where you heard 16-17% loan rate but that sounds as if they transferred their loan sum to consolidate under a private institution of some sort. Professional school tuition loans often run sub 5% which is why you see doctors, dentists, and lawyers pay them off over 20 year plans quite often.

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 09:34 PM
That's abnormal and mostly for people who can't get into state schools who go straight to opening or investing in a practice immediately upon receiving their letters. In state tuition for Texas DDS programs is 13-16k per year + cost of living and some extra for tools, specs, etc. Overall if you're in state the cost of attending a DDS program is comparable to a state university. For reference, tuition at UT this past year eclipsed $6200 per semester for 15 hours.

Even if you went out of state or simply to a private school at around $55k per year you're looking at $200k tuition + living and tools. Even is we use very liberal budgeting figures and say they total another $125k during that time we're roughly $100k or 33% off from your figure. I'm not saying this never happens, but for someone to have almost half a million in debt upon leaving dental school seems ludicrous.

I recently heard that the average associate with PDS makes ~$170k annually straight out of school with ZERO overhead cost. You can put some serious payback into those loans over a two year span and still have enough to buy into a practice as a partner.

Also, I'm not sure where you heard 16-17% loan rate but that sounds as if they transferred their loan sum to consolidate under a private institution of some sort. Professional school tuition loans often run sub 5% which is why you see doctors, dentists, and lawyers pay them off over 20 year plans quite often.

I'm just speaking on an individual basis as opposed to a normative mean, while anyone can throw D.O.E statistics and base every individual case into this lump sum, it's better to interview the average college graduate in the professional world in terms of debt and weight of a degree.

God-King Abacab
08-16-2011, 09:38 PM
Old man gets lllaaaaiiidddd. With a woman. Weekly. Would you like me to tell you what a vagina feels like? Or maybe your old buddy who took your girlfriend could tell you, I'm sure he's hitting parts of it your 3 incher never touched. Aren't you supposed to be shipping out to the 'Ghan, to take a spot on Seal Team Six, by the way?

Every time someone insults you, you always spout off the line "Well I get laid!" like it's some sort of rare accomplishment... Not as if billions of people world wide are probably fucking as I type this or anything.

You call me sociopathic, but instead you're the one validating his worth by the ability to successfully attempt one of the most prevalent, basic and instinctual processes in nature. It would be more scathing if you said "I ate today!" and Harrison was some starving Brazilian, because statistically more people fuck than eat given the high over-population in certain populations

Cyrano
08-16-2011, 11:56 PM
I'm just speaking on an individual basis as opposed to a normative mean, while anyone can throw D.O.E statistics and base every individual case into this lump sum, it's better to interview the average college graduate in the professional world in terms of debt and weight of a degree.

My first degree was American Studies which was pointless although my first job out of school paid $50k + incentives. I came out of school with less than $10k debt and would have had virtually none had I not taken a victory lap for my last 3 hours. My degree was by no means worthless in terms of earning potential, but in terms of how it directly related to my career it was.

First and foremost, private institutions outside of a few marquee schools aren't worth the cost regardless of what degree you're getting. I don't care if you major in biochemistry, there's no reason to pay $30k+ per year in tuition for a job that essentially opens at $40kish.

Going back to what you said about LA degrees being worthless, it depends on where you get it and who it's connected to. I would say a philosphy degree from a public ivy league has the potential to land you a better business or sales job than a business or marketing degree from a school like Texas Tech. Truth be told though, you can't make a rational argument that the average American has more earning potential with only a GED versus a bachelor's in something. Having a college degree makes you part of a socioeconomic sub-class that tends to look out for one another and that's where the real value of getting that degree comes from.

I know you get this because you're obviously an intelligent person and you're just trying to make a point, but a completed degree is by no means worthless. To me the more relevant issue at hand is that people are going to school who have no business doing so and dropping out or running their credit into the ground. My original degree, in my opinion, was a waste of time because I did it simply to get one instead of truly knowing what I wanted for a career. If an 18 year old is able to figure out a career that will drive them for life and stick with it, they've got it figured out. For the rest of us, there's always liberal arts.

JayDee
08-16-2011, 11:59 PM
remember when this thread was good

naez
08-17-2011, 12:32 AM
no

Harrison
08-17-2011, 08:49 AM
Old man gets lllaaaaiiidddd. With a woman. Weekly.

ahahahah

He used weekly, in an attempt to insult me. That's fucking golden.

The only people who place a value on sex high enough to use it as an insult are the people not getting it.

Pescador
08-17-2011, 10:40 AM
So while my A.A or B.S in philosophy might be worthless in the everyday job hunt, but I bet if I had a Ph.D in the subject I guarantee it wouldn't take me long to get into some 6-figure position at a company in some human relations department

So many people operate under this illusion, then they finally receive their PhD (frequently without full funding since philosophy doesn't have nearly the grant support that sciences do), and after realizing that there aren't many companies out there actually willing to spend 6 figures for a philosophy phd, they take jobs as part time instructors or post docs for 40k.

Harrison
08-19-2011, 01:44 PM
I was seriously hoping old man was going to respond with something equally as hilarious as "Old man gets lllaaaaiiidddd. With a woman. Weekly."

Bodeanicus
08-19-2011, 05:23 PM
I was seriously hoping old man was going to respond with something equally as hilarious as "Old man gets lllaaaaiiidddd. With a woman. Weekly."

I know it's hard to believe, but some of us guys here have sex with women. Regularly. Instead of spending every waking moment flaming on a forum, or playing with GI Joe "collectable action figures." I assure you, I get my fuck on weekly. Stop being a crybaby cunt, and you could, too.

Bodeanicus
08-19-2011, 05:26 PM
Every time someone insults you, you always spout off the line "Well I get laid!" like it's some sort of rare accomplishment... Not as if billions of people world wide are probably fucking as I type this or anything.

You call me sociopathic, but instead you're the one validating his worth by the ability to successfully attempt one of the most prevalent, basic and instinctual processes in nature. It would be more scathing if you said "I ate today!" and Harrison was some starving Brazilian, because statistically more people fuck than eat given the high over-population in certain populations

I use that line specifically because I know you're NOT getting any. And neither is Harrison. But you bitches were on Tralina like stink on shit when this server first started. So, I KNOW you want to fuck, it's just your fucked up personality that's standing in the way. Take a bath, wash your hair, gain 50 lbs., keep your mouth shut, and go get laid. It will do wonders for your anger issues. That, and Depakote.

Eternal-Elf
08-20-2011, 03:08 PM
I use that line specifically because I know you're NOT getting any. And neither is Harrison. But you bitches were on Tralina like stink on shit when this server first started. So, I KNOW you want to fuck, it's just your fucked up personality that's standing in the way. Take a bath, wash your hair, gain 50 lbs., keep your mouth shut, and go get laid. It will do wonders for your anger issues. That, and Depakote.

This guy is always so mad.
and getting your "fuck on" weekly is costing you what? 3 grand a month?
Not that impressive bro.

Enjoy the clap.....the gift that keeps on giving........

God-King Abacab
08-20-2011, 03:46 PM
I use that line specifically because I know you're NOT getting any. And neither is Harrison. But you bitches were on Tralina like stink on shit when this server first started. So, I KNOW you want to fuck, it's just your fucked up personality that's standing in the way. Take a bath, wash your hair, gain 50 lbs., keep your mouth shut, and go get laid. It will do wonders for your anger issues. That, and Depakote.

You have no idea how looking like a hipster/heroin addict can get you laid at any D.I.Y music scene... All I have to do is walk in and drop some obscure band and smoke pot with some barely 18 year old girl and I'm in her panties before the second band takes stage.

I'm sorry if you think being an asshole, anorexic, bum is a deterrent to getting laid (which may be the case for gold diggers, and uber conservatives) but I guarantee that scene sluts and girls with daddy issues eat that shit up.

TR Spokesman
08-20-2011, 06:37 PM
walk into a bar.

talk to drunk girl at bar.

*don't say stupid shit*

Take girl home from bar

Fuck girl at her place

Go home.



Yes. It is that easy.

God-King Abacab
08-20-2011, 08:28 PM
walk into a bar.

talk to drunk girl at bar.

*don't say stupid shit*

Take girl home from bar

Fuck girl at her place

Go home.



Yes. It is that easy.

Not if you're Bodeanicus who spends 6 days begging for sex at the local sports bar and is awarded a blowjob on the 7th day by his mentally retarded sister right before confessional.

Harrison
08-21-2011, 04:53 AM
rofl oldymcyuseless, please keep talking