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IXIShaunIXI
06-23-2026, 07:55 PM
Ok, Been Year on Years now .,. And the GMs have done little to nothing to deal with the Same people where banned from blue ... for doing what they are doing now on green ... we all know why ...

SO...... Please add all of mini loot for the chance to drop off
Innoruuk: PLEASE Thank you

DeathsSilkyMist
06-23-2026, 08:40 PM
Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

IXIShaunIXI
06-23-2026, 09:02 PM
Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

you shore do seam to hate people who love to play mages? .....

DeathsSilkyMist
06-23-2026, 09:15 PM
you shore do seam to hate people who love to play mages? .....

The plane of hate doesn't have beaches, but the Master of Spite SoWs.

OriginalContentGuy
06-23-2026, 10:03 PM
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Bombastic
06-25-2026, 10:22 AM
Ok, Been Year on Years now .,. And the GMs have done little to nothing to deal with the Same people where banned from blue ... for doing what they are doing now on green ... we all know why ...

SO...... Please add all of mini loot for the chance to drop off
Innoruuk: PLEASE Thank you

Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue. Staff didn't enforce raid rules for anyone not tagged under the top 5 guilds. Now the current crew who has been doing this for years enjoy the CSR support. Staff has never been impartial on this project so invest your time elsewhere. Fraps won't save you. Even if the person training you is a guild leader of a top 5 guild it will hurt your petition not expedite it.

feniin
06-25-2026, 10:51 AM
Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue. Staff didn't enforce raid rules for anyone not tagged under the top 5 guilds. Now the current crew who has been doing this for years enjoy the CSR support. Staff has never been impartial on this project so invest your time elsewhere. Fraps won't save you. Even if the person training you is a guild leader of a top 5 guild it will hurt your petition not expedite it.

There aren't even 5 guilds on Blue to have a top 5.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-25-2026, 11:09 AM
Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue. Staff didn't enforce raid rules for anyone not tagged under the top 5 guilds. Now the current crew who has been doing this for years enjoy the CSR support. Staff has never been impartial on this project so invest your time elsewhere. Fraps won't save you. Even if the person training you is a guild leader of a top 5 guild it will hurt your petition not expedite it.

There is no conspiracy with the CSR team.

If someone really wants to camp Earth Staff, the solution is simple:
1. Get the timer. After a quake is easiest.
2. Scout the behavior of the current crew to see how many hours before Magi spawn they log in, what they do, etc.
3. Log in hours before that, and get to Magi before their normal log in time.

You can also plan Hate raids with your guild around the same time.

If you aren't willing to out neckbeard the neckbeards, you aren't going to get your Earth Staff.

IXIShaunIXI
06-25-2026, 11:18 AM
Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

DeathsSilkyMist
06-25-2026, 11:28 AM
Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

If you are saying there are unguilded players camped in hate to get around the rules specific to guilds, just do the same thing.

If they are actually breaking the rules somehow, you could even record them and post the evidence everywhere, so it can't be denied. Action may be taken then.

If you just give up and assume you can't win, that is how the farm crew wins.

kjs86z2
06-25-2026, 01:31 PM
Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

rents due

DeathsSilkyMist
06-25-2026, 01:40 PM
Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

Where are you reading that Hate Mini spawns require a zone vacate?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421057

This is the main source of information for raid rules to my knowledge. The top post gets updated by the staff as needed. You can see the top post was last edited in July of 2025.

They actually removed the Hate Minis zone vacate requirement in May last year:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14

You can see that the top post no longer has rules for Hate Minis, only Inny and Maestro:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3622609&postcount=1

So unless there are some rules posted elsewhere that overwrite the rules thread above, it sounds like you can compete with the farm crews just fine.

As I said before:
1. Get the spawn timers.
2. Scout the behavior of the existing farm crew(s).
3. Park your own characters in Hate, and claim the camp before them.

You can even organize Hate raids around the same time if you want to clear Hate before they typically log in, so you can get whatever characters you want up there to hold the camp. It doesn't even look like Inny/Maestro have a zone vacate requirement, so you shouldn't need to leave even if they spawn.

kjs86z2
06-25-2026, 02:18 PM
nobody is going to do that to ensure their coth bot has a fancy stick

DeathsSilkyMist
06-25-2026, 02:35 PM
nobody is going to do that to ensure their coth bot has a fancy stick

I agree. I think people simply don't have the will to beat the farm crews, because most players don't care about Earth Staff. Even if farm crews disappeared tomorrow, it takes a long time for an Earth Staff to drop. You could get better raid items for other classes in the same time spent. Unfortunately Mage Epic is mostly just a toy/status symbol on P99.

Going back to the rules. Even when Mini's had the zone vacate rule, there was an exception for guilds:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14


If you are actively clearing hate trash and/or a Mini spawns as part of a Plane of Hate guild raid you don't have to port down and back up.


So it seems like OP just has a large misunderstanding about the Hate rules in general. Guilds could easily do trash clears around Magi spawn if they wanted to, even before the Hate Mini rules were removed.

bbsmitz
06-25-2026, 07:58 PM
There's currently a temp agreement on green reverting to the old pre-camp rules.

Also, there's no single Magi spawn. I think that change came later.

Snaggles
06-25-2026, 08:49 PM
Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

LOL, yea this.

Or quad DA with your epic mage and make a cooler corpse.

Rygar
06-25-2026, 08:49 PM
Get to researching:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292981

I made mention of finding evidence of mage staff and emerald for ranger epic on inny even after revamp

Links to each loot is in the spreadsheet, date is hyper linked to guild website report on wayback

DeathsSilkyMist
06-25-2026, 10:11 PM
There's currently a temp agreement on green reverting to the old pre-camp rules.

Also, there's no single Magi spawn. I think that change came later.

Do you have a link to the agreement? I couldn't find anything on a quick UN/Forums search.

If they are just using the old rules, they already had an exception for guilds raiding in hate or killing trash:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14


Plane of Hate Mini Bosses, Maestro of Rancor, and Innoruuk
Zone: Plane of Hate
Translocate Allotment: No COTH
Run Speed Consideration(s):
Location of Engagement: May pull to entrance.
Additional Rule Consideration:
Additional Notes:
- You must port up after any of these mobs have spawned.
- If you were in the zone before any of these mobs spawned, you must leave the zone and come back.
- If you are actively clearing hate trash and/or a Mini spawns as part of a Plane of Hate guild raid you don't have to port down and back up.
- Dying and resurrecting does not meet these requirements. Example: you cannot die at the fountain/stairs safe spot, get ressed by a cleric who was camped out there, and come back into the zone.


I don't see any rules that allow unguilded characters to stay on a mini spawn, while guilds are always required to leave. Just schedule raids and/or trash clears around the Magi spawn timer(s) if you really want to contest Magi.

bbsmitz
06-25-2026, 11:32 PM
Do you have a link to the agreement? I couldn't find anything on a quick UN/Forums search.


Green UN - https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/1496675714009665660/1509940290729934869

The clearing exception is gone for the temporary reversion, everyone ports out. After 3 months reverts to camp rules.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-25-2026, 11:43 PM
Green UN - https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/1496675714009665660/1509940290729934869

The clearing exception is gone for the temporary reversion, everyone ports out. After 3 months reverts to camp rules.

The link didn't work, but I'll take your word for it. Is there any evidence of players breaking the rules by not porting out, such as farm crews? I'd imagine you'd be able to get punishments for those players.

Worst case though you can contest the farm crews in 3 months.

CrazyPro
06-26-2026, 03:24 PM
The link didn't work, but I'll take your word for it. Is there any evidence of players breaking the rules by not porting out, such as farm crews? I'd imagine you'd be able to get punishments for those players.

Worst case though you can contest the farm crews in 3 months.

The hate farm crew killed hate minis while their main guild was engaged on another raid mob. They also simply logged in at the entrance instead of porting up at least once. I WITNESSED IT WIT ME EYEBALLS.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-26-2026, 03:57 PM
The hate farm crew killed hate minis while their main guild was engaged on another raid mob. They also simply logged in at the entrance instead of porting up at least once. I WITNESSED IT WIT ME EYEBALLS.

Have you tried doing the same thing?:D Sounds like things are a bit loosey goosey. If you get embattled in laywerquest with the offenders, something may happen. If you record them logging in to hate against the rules while you do the same, you'll at least have evidence against the farm crew.

bbsmitz sent me a good document on the evidence against the farm crew so far.

I think there are options available if enough people really cared, even if it was just to spite the farm crews. But my feeling is most people don't care enough. Mage Epic is mostly a toy/trophy. Spending that time getting Vulak loot on a better class sounds like a better use of time.

aaezil
06-27-2026, 08:20 AM
Its ok people like Ramen have been playing here 30 years and still dont got epic, im sure you’ll be fine

IXIShaunIXI
06-27-2026, 08:46 AM
If you are saying there are unguilded players camped in hate to get around the rules specific to guilds, just do the same thing.

If they are actually breaking the rules somehow, you could even record them and post the evidence everywhere, so it can't be denied. Action may be taken then.

If you just give up and assume you can't win, that is how the farm crew wins.

Castle Bot Green
APP
— Yesterday at 11:17 PMFriday, June 26, 2026 11:17 PM
Your Tracking session for Hate Mini's has ended.

Summary:
Character: Shaunivi,
Duration: 20h 22m,
Rounded Duration: 20h 20m,
Hourly Rate: 1 DKP,
DKP Earned: 20.33

Tell me sir do you think i am enring my epic ?

IXIShaunIXI
06-27-2026, 08:50 AM
I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

DeathsSilkyMist
06-27-2026, 01:33 PM
I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

Very nice! I have seen fellow guild Mages get their Epics this way.

Cecily
06-27-2026, 07:08 PM
I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking
Good. Good. That's about 1/10 of the average time spent there contemplating hatred.

Sadre Spinegnawer
06-28-2026, 08:15 AM
Good. Good. That's about 1/10 of the average time spent there contemplating hatred.

No one is left who remembers that "camping" something could mean a couple weeks of your free time.

It's kind of funny watching those who were but babes during live becoming meta-literate, industrious, online, but still but constantly and probably unknowingly downnerfing classic to mean what would be hard for them

loramin
06-28-2026, 03:19 PM
Look, the reality is that the staff let Diddly 2-box and monopolize Hate, for years. They could have changed the rules at any time, or even just performed a single 2-box check on him. Instead, they chose to turn a blind eye to blatant rules violations.

It's their server, and that's their choice. If they want Mage epics to work that way, nothing anyone here says, in this thread or any other, is likely to change their minds.

loramin
06-28-2026, 03:25 PM
P.S. When I say "turn a blind eye", I should note that I never actually petitioned the guy (I've just posted about him in the forum). All I'm saying is, petition or no, the staff could have done something about him for years, and since they didn't, we can infer they like Hate the way it is.

IXIShaunIXI
06-28-2026, 04:59 PM
P.S. When I say "turn a blind eye", I should note that I never actually petitioned the guy (I've just posted about him in the forum). All I'm saying is, petition or no, the staff could have done something about him for years, and since they didn't, we can infer they like Hate the way it is.

petition's don't work .... thats like saying we will investigate our self's and find no wrong doing

IXIShaunIXI
06-28-2026, 05:04 PM
https://wiki.project1999.com/Eye_of_Innoruuk
all you have to do is pick a hate mod and see who the seller is


the are making trillions up there over the last fucking 5 years


NO ONE WOULD EVEN NEED that kind of $$$

they are selling it on ebay
real life $$$
there boxing .....

they are above the rules of the server

Kluwen2
06-28-2026, 06:20 PM
Look, the reality is that the staff let Diddly 2-box and monopolize Hate, for years. They could have changed the rules at any time, or even just performed a single 2-box check on him. Instead, they chose to turn a blind eye to blatant rules violations.

It's their server, and that's their choice. If they want Mage epics to work that way, nothing anyone here says, in this thread or any other, is likely to change their minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwtYwFZwkSc

IXIShaunIXI
06-29-2026, 12:54 PM
0% trust of the gm's on green to let people who got banned from blue to come over to green and go back to making real life $$$ from farming hate

WarpathEQ
06-30-2026, 10:58 AM
The best part of all of this is that OP quit the game, came back, joined castle, and is spending 20+ hours socking minis thinking that he finally has a chance to get an earth staff...Until one finally drops and he realizes there are 30 other mages in his guild with more DKP and that he is in a 30+ year line to ever get one from his guild.

WarpathEQ
06-30-2026, 11:01 AM
And the Icing on the cake is that multiple people in his prior guild have mage epics now

Kluwen2
06-30-2026, 11:33 AM
0% trust of the gm's on green to let people who got banned from blue to come over to green and go back to making real life $$$ from farming hate

Ping Rioto in discord, we have a few staffs for sale and will cut you a deal.

IXIShaunIXI
06-30-2026, 12:43 PM
Ping Rioto in discord, we have a few staffs for sale and will cut you a deal.

i play everquest .... not multiquest

IXIShaunIXI
06-30-2026, 01:02 PM
would be nice if the GM's would let us Play the GAME .,.... but i think they are "Bought and paid for" ...............

IXIShaunIXI
06-30-2026, 01:06 PM
Ping Rioto in discord, we have a few staffs for sale and will cut you a deal.

but thank you for the Extortion i would like to play the game

CrazyPro
06-30-2026, 02:14 PM
The best part of all of this is that OP quit the game, came back, joined castle, and is spending 20+ hours socking minis thinking that he finally has a chance to get an earth staff...Until one finally drops and he realizes there are 30 other mages in his guild with more DKP and that he is in a 30+ year line to ever get one from his guild.

He actually has the most DKP out of every non-epic mage in the guild by far.

Cecily
06-30-2026, 06:25 PM
Yeah socking fuzzy timers like hate must unlimited DKP. Fairly certain the drop rate is fucking hellishly wrong here on the way too rare side of things and the RMT crews just made it so much worse. Plane of Hate on P99 has always been a nonclassic shit show.


Let pretend that we wanted to revamp epic pieces and make them more accessible. We take reasonably common drops from highly contested raid bosses, Lochness Monsta, CT, Inny, VS and switch them to semi-raid encounters or spawnable 100% drop mobs. Overall with the intention to make these bottleneck items more accessible and common. That was successfully managed with every epic except the mage one, which for some fucking reason they made less common. You implemented it wrong and it's way too late to care about, but it's been one of the glaring errors of this project for years.

WarpathEQ
07-01-2026, 09:42 AM
People always say that stuff but unironically the last time CSR pulled the figures they found the drop rate wasn't that rare and the farmer that everyone talks shit about was only getting a portion of the drops (i.e. competing guilds have gotten the majority of the earth staffs over time).

The best part is it was last time Shaun had a cry fest in the UN that they pulled the data...shut him up for a year or 2 but here we are again.

bbsmitz
07-01-2026, 11:02 AM
I'd be curious to see the data over the past year but iirc the staff is like a 20% drop off the Magi. Pretty sure the emerald is a lot lower percentage but since most minis can drop it it's still easier to get. Book is stupid rare.

Cecily
07-01-2026, 01:19 PM
1:5 for a raid zone isn't common, which it should be in line with the other epic changes in era. Hate should be printing 2-3 of those staves a week on a 72 hour timer and certainly far more emeralds.

IXIShaunIXI
07-01-2026, 01:55 PM
People always say that stuff but unironically the last time CSR pulled the figures they found the drop rate wasn't that rare and the farmer that everyone talks shit about was only getting a portion of the drops (i.e. competing guilds have gotten the majority of the earth staffs over time).

The best part is it was last time Shaun had a cry fest in the UN that they pulled the data...shut him up for a year or 2 but here we are again.

no one shut me up i left the game for a year out of frustration.....
gm's still let it happen ...
these guys in hate have made billions up there in the last 5 years ...... you no they are dirty and the GM's Are just as dirty for letting them do it and none stop epic mob block the people who log on ever day on there server this is how they treat us .... and let them Block our quest mobs

IXIShaunIXI
07-01-2026, 01:59 PM
enough is enough time for them to move on

Reiwa
07-01-2026, 01:59 PM
People always say that stuff but unironically the last time CSR pulled the figures they found the drop rate wasn't that rare and the farmer that everyone talks shit about was only getting a portion of the drops (i.e. competing guilds have gotten the majority of the earth staffs over time).

The best part is it was last time Shaun had a cry fest in the UN that they pulled the data...shut him up for a year or 2 but here we are again.

Who has gotten the plurality of earth staffs over time?

IXIShaunIXI
07-01-2026, 02:26 PM
Who has gotten the plurality of earth staffs over time?

who has the most magi kills?
right back at you hate farmer

WarpathEQ
07-01-2026, 02:51 PM
Who has gotten the plurality of earth staffs over time?

IIRC the answer was castle

bbsmitz
07-01-2026, 02:59 PM
IIRC the answer was castle

That was true a few years back but I think the balance definitely shifted again in the last year or so. But would be neat to see the stats.

Defo
07-01-2026, 09:58 PM
That was true a few years back but I think the balance definitely shifted again in the last year or so. But would be neat to see the stats.

Well Castle is the guild that has the farm crew constantly auctioning the pieces (see Kluwen's response here) and all pieces, the ranger piece, enc piece, necro book, etc.

bbsmitz
07-01-2026, 10:12 PM
Well Castle is the guild that has the farm crew constantly auctioning the pieces (see Kluwen's response here) and all pieces, the ranger piece, enc piece, necro book, etc.

Rioto isn't Castle. That's the farm crew. Castle doesn't usually sell outside the guild.

Defo
07-01-2026, 10:16 PM
Rioto isn't Castle. That's the farm crew. Castle doesn't usually sell outside the guild.

Is Riotio in a different guild?

If not, does Castle compete with Rioto for spawns / loots?

bbsmitz
07-01-2026, 10:17 PM
Is Riotio in a different guild?

If not, does Castle compete with Rioto for spawns / loots?

Rioto is the discord sales bot name for the Hate farm crew which is Diddles/Kluwen and some other non-Castle folks. Castle competes with them.

Viscere
07-02-2026, 07:22 AM
Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue.

Diddly/Kluwen was banned for RMT on blue, all his toons got popped there.

Doak, their auto-tracker on green was banned.

They now use Tracklord, apparently more cautiously from what I've been told. I don't really engage in this neckbeard meta.

Mostly incel/sad middle aged men BS tbh - imagine auto-tracking in a 25 years old video game lol

I'd assume now that Doak got popped Tracklord will eventually also get banned

Goregasmic
07-02-2026, 07:26 AM
The hate ench piece is a major bottleneck right now because no one wants to do hate. Probably even more than VD for most people, who is still a major botteneck due to LR sellers (lol).

I tried paying castle/well dwellers what they asked for to get the LR but communication was poor and it ended up not working out. I guess no one cares to sell 10-15k LRs on a 7min rot item when you're literally making millions from earth staves and SEOCs. Ended up hanging out at fountain and lucking out by getting one from GG who drafted hate last time.

I guess my point is I feel hate is in a fucked up state not only because of farmers but also because the outdated loot tables make it so that most people couldn't care less to go there. Too much trouble for generally little reward. Even if the farmers vanished I'm not sure how much traffic you'd see. The farmers have the most efficient way to go at it already.

Kluwen2
07-02-2026, 09:24 AM
Diddly/Kluwen was banned for RMT on blue, all his toons got popped there.

Doak, their auto-tracker on green was banned.

They now use Tracklord, apparently more cautiously from what I've been told. I don't really engage in this neckbeard meta.

Mostly incel/sad middle aged men BS tbh - imagine auto-tracking in a 25 years old video game lol

I'd assume now that Doak got popped Tracklord will eventually also get banned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwtYwFZwkSc

Kluwen2
07-02-2026, 09:24 AM
The hate ench piece is a major bottleneck right now because no one wants to do hate. Probably even more than VD for most people, who is still a major botteneck due to LR sellers (lol).

I tried paying castle/well dwellers what they asked for to get the LR but communication was poor and it ended up not working out. I guess no one cares to sell 10-15k LRs on a 7min rot item when you're literally making millions from earth staves and SEOCs. Ended up hanging out at fountain and lucking out by getting one from GG who drafted hate last time.

I guess my point is I feel hate is in a fucked up state not only because of farmers but also because the outdated loot tables make it so that most people couldn't care less to go there. Too much trouble for generally little reward. Even if the farmers vanished I'm not sure how much traffic you'd see. The farmers have the most efficient way to go at it already.

Ping me in discord again and I'll try to get it for you.

Goregasmic
07-02-2026, 10:13 AM
Ping me in discord again and I'll try to get it for you.

Thanks, I finished my epic but I know plenty of chanters who are struggling with that part.

Viscere
07-02-2026, 11:37 AM
The hate ench piece is a major bottleneck right now because no one wants to do hate. Probably even more than VD for most people, who is still a major botteneck due to LR sellers (lol).

I tried paying castle/well dwellers what they asked for to get the LR but communication was poor and it ended up not working out. I guess no one cares to sell 10-15k LRs on a 7min rot item when you're literally making millions from earth staves and SEOCs. Ended up hanging out at fountain and lucking out by getting one from GG who drafted hate last time.

I guess my point is I feel hate is in a fucked up state not only because of farmers but also because the outdated loot tables make it so that most people couldn't care less to go there. Too much trouble for generally little reward. Even if the farmers vanished I'm not sure how much traffic you'd see. The farmers have the most efficient way to go at it already.

It's mostly fucked because you have to face a band of inbred incels to get your piece of nostalgia, so even hardcore guilds don't even bother.

It took years of damning documentation for castle to get Doak perma banned from the auto tracking farmers.

This late into velious and with EQL / MNM, no one wants to bother or play steven spielberg to document PNP abuses through 3rd party automation...

Goregasmic
07-02-2026, 12:37 PM
It's mostly fucked because you have to face a band of inbred incels to get your piece of nostalgia, so even hardcore guilds don't even bother.

It took years of damning documentation for castle to get Doak perma banned from the auto tracking farmers.

This late into velious and with EQL / MNM, no one wants to bother or play steven spielberg to document PNP abuses through 3rd party automation...

Kinda sorta, not that I want to defend them but like, even if you recruit all hate farmer crews to get you an essence, still takes 3 weeks. You could go up with your guild every 8 hours and clean 1st floor but who wants to do that, seriously? Everyone would end up with small squads parked at fountain, it is the easiest way.

Not like VD, SF and everything that is worth something isn't already poopsocked anyway. Sucks but it isn't going away.

Hannibal
07-02-2026, 01:09 PM
I agree. I think people simply don't have the will to beat the farm crews, because most players don't care about Earth Staff. Even if farm crews disappeared tomorrow, it takes a long time for an Earth Staff to drop. You could get better raid items for other classes in the same time spent. Unfortunately Mage Epic is mostly just a toy/status symbol on P99.

Going back to the rules. Even when Mini's had the zone vacate rule, there was an exception for guilds:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14



So it seems like OP just has a large misunderstanding about the Hate rules in general. Guilds could easily do trash clears around Magi spawn if they wanted to, even before the Hate Mini rules were removed.

Aww man, wife I were bound at stairs like a year ago for a month(ish) getting her enc epic piece on BLUE. They had the vacate rules in place, which was awful as we constantly saw minis popping up that we couldn't even touch. Might need to make a trip back up just to see if we can get any of them down. Be a fun duo to try for sure!

Hannibal
07-02-2026, 01:16 PM
Kinda sorta, not that I want to defend them but like, even if you recruit all hate farmer crews to get you an essence, still takes 3 weeks. You could go up with your guild every 8 hours and clean 1st floor but who wants to do that, seriously? Everyone would end up with small squads parked at fountain, it is the easiest way.

Not like VD, SF and everything that is worth something isn't already poopsocked anyway. Sucks but it isn't going away.

Yeah we had to bind a cleric, druid, and chanter at the stairs for her epic piece. The cleric was just there for the inevitable rezzes. But there is a couple of the mage folks nearby maestro first floor area. We were using Harmony and pulling mobs out from there until we got lucky. We even managed to get a lucky drop on the enc chest piece while doing the grind. Super fun, but difficult to setup for suresies!

bbsmitz
07-02-2026, 02:23 PM
Yeah we had to bind a cleric, druid, and chanter at the stairs for her epic piece. The cleric was just there for the inevitable rezzes. But there is a couple of the mage folks nearby maestro first floor area. We were using Harmony and pulling mobs out from there until we got lucky. We even managed to get a lucky drop on the enc chest piece while doing the grind. Super fun, but difficult to setup for suresies!

Hate Robe for my enchanter was one of my favorite items. Even after I replaced it I still kept it in my bank. That and the Halo are such solid pieces.

CrazyPro
07-08-2026, 10:53 PM
The best part of all of this is that OP quit the game, came back, joined castle, and is spending 20+ hours socking minis thinking that he finally has a chance to get an earth staff...Until one finally drops and he realizes there are 30 other mages in his guild with more DKP and that he is in a 30+ year line to ever get one from his guild.

Ok well he got it today so haha lol lmao rofl heeheehee hohoho

https://i.imgur.com/LCfRUMl.png

IXIShaunIXI
07-09-2026, 03:53 AM
yes, did !!! and my views on it has not changed .... !!!! epic drops need to be added to the main bo's loot table!!!! mage's i got your back!!! we need more mage epics!!

Kluwen2
07-09-2026, 08:02 AM
Ok well he got it today so haha lol lmao rofl heeheehee hohoho

https://i.imgur.com/LCfRUMl.png

That'll be very unfortunate if that ends up getting removed from the training that occurred yesterday. Sounded like it was a shit show!

IXIShaunIXI
07-09-2026, 10:32 AM
That'll be very unfortunate if that ends up getting removed from the training that occurred yesterday. Sounded like it was a shit show!

Hate is a nasty zone ....

i was tracking all day and watched gg and and the hate farmers train one another thats what i seen

DeathsSilkyMist
07-09-2026, 11:28 AM
Grats on your Epic!

Looks like you can get an Earth Staff, even with the Hate Farmers.

Sounds like people just need to step up their game.

Case closed.

bbsmitz
07-09-2026, 01:08 PM
Hate is a nasty zone ....

i was tracking all day and watched gg and and the hate farmers train one another thats what i seen

Lol that's the farmer in chief. Just a little touch of salt there you didn't need to buy it from them.

Reiwa
07-09-2026, 01:58 PM
Grats on the mage epic! That's the classic endgame.

Now reroll a different class.

IXIShaunIXI
07-09-2026, 02:26 PM
Grats on your Epic!

Looks like you can get an Earth Staff, even with the Hate Farmers.

Sounds like people just need to step up their game.

Case closed.

thank you .
Bu t no i disagree ... epic nps in hate should be blocked from farming by just 2 enchanters ..... its so unfear play ,,, making people buy the peace from them and play the game of mulitquest and give me your $$$$ or no epic .... and people wanna play everquest ... Looting the peace for your self FEELS SO DAMM GOOOD.... and they are up there blocking not only mage epices but rangers and necros

GM on this server giving a blind eye to this is another problem .... they do jack $%#@ about it .... DROP rate and a$# hats farming your drops in hate no that #@$@ needs to stop,,,, GM need to step the #$%#% up
5 years..... they run the market on hate drops 200k a pop .... for 5 Years? no they are makeing RL $$$ off this stuff ,,,, cant sya they are not ..

IXIShaunIXI
07-09-2026, 02:28 PM
Lol that's the farmer in chief. Just a little touch of salt there you didn't need to buy it from them.

lol you like that 8)

IXIShaunIXI
07-09-2026, 02:41 PM
Grats on the mage epic! That's the classic endgame.

Now reroll a different class.

thank you 8)
Lot of sleepless nice tracking in hate ....

and we got lucky this time !
feels really good to play Everquest Not Ever buy

CrazyPro
07-09-2026, 02:50 PM
That'll be very unfortunate if that ends up getting removed from the training that occurred yesterday. Sounded like it was a shit show!

I don't think GMs can remove individual spells from people's spellbooks without dev help and we all know that GMs don't really get dev help nowadays.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-09-2026, 03:46 PM
thank you .
Bu t no i disagree ... epic nps in hate should be blocked from farming by just 2 enchanters ..... its so unfear play ,,, making people buy the peace from them and play the game of mulitquest and give me your $$$$ or no epic .... and people wanna play everquest ... Looting the peace for your self FEELS SO DAMM GOOOD.... and they are up there blocking not only mage epices but rangers and necros

GM on this server giving a blind eye to this is another problem .... they do jack $%#@ about it .... DROP rate and a$# hats farming your drops in hate no that #@$@ needs to stop,,,, GM need to step the #$%#% up
5 years..... they run the market on hate drops 200k a pop .... for 5 Years? no they are makeing RL $$$ off this stuff ,,,, cant sya they are not ..

You have your Mage Epic right now without buying the loot rights from those two Enchanters.

You disprove your own statement claiming these two Enchanters are blocking players.

Try hard, and get the loot. That is the way.

cd288
07-09-2026, 04:12 PM
GM on this server giving a blind eye to this is another problem .... they do jack $%#@ about it .... DROP rate and a$# hats farming your drops in hate no that #@$@ needs to stop,,,, GM need to step the #$%#% up
5 years..... they run the market on hate drops 200k a pop .... for 5 Years? no they are makeing RL $$$ off this stuff ,,,, cant sya they are not ..

Yeah let's listen to the crack addict who has been prosecuted for fraud IRL, has scammed multiple people on P99 and been banned countless times, and called Rogean to harass him at work IRL.

Yeah I'm sure we should take your word on it about GM corruption. Loser.

CrazyPro
07-09-2026, 04:28 PM
Yeah let's listen to the crack addict who has been prosecuted for fraud IRL, has scammed multiple people on P99 and been banned countless times, and called Rogean to harass him at work IRL.

Yeah I'm sure we should take your word on it about GM corruption. Loser.

Rogean specifically instructed GMs to not do anything about Diddly unless they can 1000% prove without a shadow of a doubt that he is absolutely cheating.

loramin
07-09-2026, 05:24 PM
Rogean specifically instructed GMs to not do anything about Diddly unless they can 1000% prove without a shadow of a doubt that he is absolutely cheating.

It'd be so easy to prove though, one boxing check and he's banned for life.

What's so odd is no GM ever checks him.

CrazyPro
07-09-2026, 06:11 PM
It'd be so easy to prove though, one boxing check and he's banned for life.

What's so odd is no GM ever checks him.

If there's even the slightest bit of plausibly deniability they're let off the hook. They'd have to break into his house and watch him multiboxing to get him.

cd288
07-10-2026, 11:28 AM
If there's even the slightest bit of plausibly deniability they're let off the hook. They'd have to break into his house and watch him multiboxing to get him.

Plus he's not boxing 24/7 right? He occasionally will get a rez etc?

If so, as a GM you'd also have to sit there 24/7 waiting for that to happen and box test him. Going to guess that no unpaid volunteer is trying to spend their time doing that.

kjs86z2
07-10-2026, 11:46 AM
imagine if the server collectively decided to stop buying earth staff MQs

IXIShaunIXI
07-10-2026, 09:23 PM
imagine if the server collectively decided to stop buying earth staff MQs

%100 agree !!!!!

Viscere
07-11-2026, 10:07 AM
Doak got banned, so GMs do not turn a blind eye eternally...

...just took them 4 years lol.

Would be hilarious to have a random box check done on Tracklord when a mini pops and the farm cartel logs their enchanters/necros on

IXIShaunIXI
07-13-2026, 07:44 PM
Doak got banned, so GMs do not turn a blind eye eternally...

...just took them 4 years lol.

Would be hilarious to have a random box check done on Tracklord when a mini pops and the farm cartel logs their enchanters/necros on


The Cartel are really going to be mad now ... <Castle> Just got 2 mage staff drop
and i got my staff the day of the draft !!!


3 staffs .... they could not
Extort over the green server!!!

Lets Fucking GO!

DeathsSilkyMist
07-13-2026, 09:16 PM
The Cartel are really going to be mad now ... <Castle> Just got 2 mage staff drop
and i got my staff the day of the draft !!!


3 staffs .... they could not
Extort over the green server!!!

Lets Fucking GO!

See? You just need to try harder, as I said before. The farm crews win if you give up. Glad to see people are stepping up.

CrazyPro
07-13-2026, 09:21 PM
The Cartel are really going to be mad now ... <Castle> Just got 2 mage staff drop
and i got my staff the day of the draft !!!


3 staffs .... they could not
Extort over the green server!!!

Lets Fucking GO!

and now we just got a fourth

IXIShaunIXI
07-13-2026, 09:41 PM
THe Un Guilds need to take back Hate from THE CARTAL!

cd288
07-14-2026, 12:51 PM
THe Un Guilds need to take back Hate from THE CARTAL!

I can't believe Castle lets this guy into their guild. Does Castle leadership not know the history of who Shaun and Ryan?

IXIShaunIXI
07-14-2026, 03:28 PM
I can't believe Castle lets this guy into their guild. Does Castle leadership not know the history of who Shaun and Ryan?

who? is ryan

IXIShaunIXI
07-14-2026, 03:29 PM
I can't believe Castle lets this guy into their guild. Does Castle leadership not know the history of who Shaun and Ryan?

lol please tell me the full story dont leave any thing out about this person you say i am Shaun and Ryan?

CrazyPro
07-14-2026, 06:13 PM
I can't believe Castle lets this guy into their guild. Does Castle leadership not know the history of who Shaun and Ryan?

Not the same Shaun lmao

Videri
07-14-2026, 07:03 PM
I can't believe Castle lets this guy into their guild. Does Castle leadership not know the history of who Shaun and Ryan?

You mean Sean and Ryan. I don't think Shaun is Sean. Different personalities and behavior.

IXIShaunIXI
07-14-2026, 08:13 PM
You mean Sean and Ryan. I don't think Shaun is Sean. Different personalities and behavior.
;)
how would you diascope my personality ?

IXIShaunIXI
07-14-2026, 08:14 PM
;)
how would you [Describe] my personality ?

Kluwen2
07-14-2026, 09:02 PM
The Cartel are really going to be mad now ... <Castle> Just got 2 mage staff drop
and i got my staff the day of the draft !!!


3 staffs .... they could not
Extort over the green server!!!

Lets Fucking GO!

Actually, it's a good thing they went to Castle. Castle members historically haven't bought MQ's from our crew so nothing really lost other than Castle not tracking Hate as much I'd guess? Win win! Also, we currently have 4 staffs that we are having a difficult time selling :mad:

Skarne
07-14-2026, 09:15 PM
sean and ryan are infamous and hang out with eachother in their underwear with no shirts.

bbsmitz
07-14-2026, 11:27 PM
I can't believe Castle lets this guy into their guild. Does Castle leadership not know the history of who Shaun and Ryan?

Castle is pretty willing to give anyone at least one shot. I'm fairly sure we'd even accept Diddles if he agreed to go straight.

Viscere
07-15-2026, 02:30 AM
Diddly, the quiet incel showing off his autotracked loot he can't sell

How long until he decides to RMT it all like on blue?

Viscere
07-15-2026, 04:25 AM
Castle is pretty willing to give anyone at least one shot. I'm fairly sure we'd even accept Diddles if he agreed to go straight.


Let's take a look at his history :

1) All toons banned on blue due to RMT.
2) Auto-tracker (Doak) banned on green due to 3rd party program use
3) Sits on years of auto-tracked spoils, it's only a matter of time until they cash out. If you RMT once, it often means you're short on cash IRL, so that probably hasn't changed.
4) Continues to auto-track with a new toon named Tracklord

Yeah no, not gonna make it in castle lol.

cd288
07-15-2026, 10:03 AM
Not the same Shaun lmao

Are you sure? They are from Mass, where OP's location is. They also speak and write in the exact same way that this guy does. I'm 95% sure that it is them lol

CrazyPro
07-15-2026, 01:44 PM
Are you sure? They are from Mass, where OP's location is. They also speak and write in the exact same way that this guy does. I'm 95% sure that it is them lol

The twins live in Rhode Island.

cd288
07-15-2026, 02:44 PM
The twins live in Rhode Island.

They also lived in Mass just over the border from RI at times, IIRC. I seem to remember seeing their Mass driver's licenses at one point several year ago.

IXIShaunIXI
07-15-2026, 03:27 PM
these twins sound worse then the hate farmers?

Kluwen2
07-15-2026, 05:17 PM
Let's take a look at his history :

1) All toons banned on blue due to RMT.
2) Auto-tracker (Doak) banned on green due to 3rd party program use
3) Sits on years of auto-tracked spoils, it's only a matter of time until they cash out. If you RMT once, it often means you're short on cash IRL, so that probably hasn't changed.
4) Continues to auto-track with a new toon named Tracklord

Yeah no, not gonna make it in castle lol.

Your list gave me a good laugh babe. I don’t remember you being this delusional on Blue but it has been a lot of years!

Prismaticshop
07-16-2026, 01:31 AM
Your list gave me a good laugh babe. I don’t remember you being this delusional on Blue but it has been a lot of years!

No wonder you struggle to remember Blue since you got banned there

kjs86z2
07-16-2026, 08:40 AM
NO FARM CREWS

IXIShaunIXI
07-17-2026, 06:04 PM
We Just got 2 more Mage staff drops !!!!
HELL yeah Castle!!!

CrazyPro
07-17-2026, 06:05 PM
SO MANY EARTH STAVES
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

bbsmitz
07-17-2026, 07:48 PM
No wonder you struggle to remember Blue since you got banned there

In the arms of the angel... (https://www.project1999.com/forums/member.php?u=114250)

IXIShaunIXI
07-17-2026, 09:36 PM
In the arms of the angel... (https://www.project1999.com/forums/member.php?u=114250)

love it how some one band on one server can play on green ...

Swish
07-17-2026, 11:57 PM
sounds like you guys are asking for MORE RULES

LostCause
07-18-2026, 03:20 PM
Just flag everyone for pvp when you enter hate problem solved

Viscere
07-19-2026, 11:30 AM
In the arms of the angel... (https://www.project1999.com/forums/member.php?u=114250)

lmao :D

IXIShaunIXI
07-19-2026, 05:08 PM
think they are mad now ... they are training any trackers up there ...

Kluwen2
07-20-2026, 09:17 AM
think they are mad now ... they are training any trackers up there ...

I don't think anyone can be as mad as Visc. I think at this point we enjoy the Visc rants more than looting a mage staff. :)

IXIShaunIXI
07-20-2026, 01:59 PM
GM's will do nothing !! watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqntSg6QjJI&t=23s

Kluwen2
07-20-2026, 02:17 PM
GM's will do nothing !! watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqntSg6QjJI&t=23s

Recommend having one of your raid leaders ping in discord if there was some issue. <3

bbsmitz
07-20-2026, 03:58 PM
sounds like you guys are asking for MORE RULES

Gimme a nanny state with huge knockers.