Innoruuk: loot Table ADD:

[IXIShaunIXI]

Ok, Been Year on Years now .,. And the GMs have done little to nothing to deal with the Same people where banned from blue ... for doing what they are doing now on green ... we all know why ...

SO...... Please add all of mini loot for the chance to drop off
Innoruuk: PLEASE Thank you

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

[IXIShaunIXI]

Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

you shore do seam to hate people who love to play mages? .....

[DeathsSilkyMist]

you shore do seam to hate people who love to play mages? .....

The plane of hate doesn't have beaches, but the Master of Spite SoWs.

[OriginalContentGuy]

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[Bombastic]

Ok, Been Year on Years now .,. And the GMs have done little to nothing to deal with the Same people where banned from blue ... for doing what they are doing now on green ... we all know why ...

SO...... Please add all of mini loot for the chance to drop off
Innoruuk: PLEASE Thank you

Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue. Staff didn't enforce raid rules for anyone not tagged under the top 5 guilds. Now the current crew who has been doing this for years enjoy the CSR support. Staff has never been impartial on this project so invest your time elsewhere. Fraps won't save you. Even if the person training you is a guild leader of a top 5 guild it will hurt your petition not expedite it.

[feniin]

Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue. Staff didn't enforce raid rules for anyone not tagged under the top 5 guilds. Now the current crew who has been doing this for years enjoy the CSR support. Staff has never been impartial on this project so invest your time elsewhere. Fraps won't save you. Even if the person training you is a guild leader of a top 5 guild it will hurt your petition not expedite it.

There aren't even 5 guilds on Blue to have a top 5.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Nobody of consequence was banned on Blue. Staff didn't enforce raid rules for anyone not tagged under the top 5 guilds. Now the current crew who has been doing this for years enjoy the CSR support. Staff has never been impartial on this project so invest your time elsewhere. Fraps won't save you. Even if the person training you is a guild leader of a top 5 guild it will hurt your petition not expedite it.

There is no conspiracy with the CSR team.

If someone really wants to camp Earth Staff, the solution is simple:
1. Get the timer. After a quake is easiest.
2. Scout the behavior of the current crew to see how many hours before Magi spawn they log in, what they do, etc.
3. Log in hours before that, and get to Magi before their normal log in time.

You can also plan Hate raids with your guild around the same time.

If you aren't willing to out neckbeard the neckbeards, you aren't going to get your Earth Staff.

[IXIShaunIXI]

Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

If you are saying there are unguilded players camped in hate to get around the rules specific to guilds, just do the same thing.

If they are actually breaking the rules somehow, you could even record them and post the evidence everywhere, so it can't be denied. Action may be taken then.

If you just give up and assume you can't win, that is how the farm crew wins.

[kjs86z2]

Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

rents due

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Not with the new rules you can not be in zone , you have to port up when it spawns... and the cartel do not follow the guild accounts and log on there bots/box accounts and engaged before you even port up ... this one small group of box/real life eBay $$$ group epic blockers been doing this s$%@ for too long enough is enough .... they have demoralized all the guilds but one on green from even going to hate ... and the gm's let it happen .... frustration is real .... and yes gm's can say as they want but the talk is in every guild ,,,, they are in on it ., Enough is enough ..... they need to make hate a guild raiding one once more ... HELL TURN HATE in to the New SKy ... Every Guild gets a Hate week rotation .....

Where are you reading that Hate Mini spawns require a zone vacate?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421057

This is the main source of information for raid rules to my knowledge. The top post gets updated by the staff as needed. You can see the top post was last edited in July of 2025.

They actually removed the Hate Minis zone vacate requirement in May last year:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14

You can see that the top post no longer has rules for Hate Minis, only Inny and Maestro:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3622609&postcount=1

So unless there are some rules posted elsewhere that overwrite the rules thread above, it sounds like you can compete with the farm crews just fine.

As I said before:
1. Get the spawn timers.
2. Scout the behavior of the existing farm crew(s).
3. Park your own characters in Hate, and claim the camp before them.

You can even organize Hate raids around the same time if you want to clear Hate before they typically log in, so you can get whatever characters you want up there to hold the camp. It doesn't even look like Inny/Maestro have a zone vacate requirement, so you shouldn't need to leave even if they spawn.

[kjs86z2]

nobody is going to do that to ensure their coth bot has a fancy stick

[DeathsSilkyMist]

nobody is going to do that to ensure their coth bot has a fancy stick

I agree. I think people simply don't have the will to beat the farm crews, because most players don't care about Earth Staff. Even if farm crews disappeared tomorrow, it takes a long time for an Earth Staff to drop. You could get better raid items for other classes in the same time spent. Unfortunately Mage Epic is mostly just a toy/status symbol on P99.

Going back to the rules. Even when Mini's had the zone vacate rule, there was an exception for guilds:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14


If you are actively clearing hate trash and/or a Mini spawns as part of a Plane of Hate guild raid you don't have to port down and back up.


So it seems like OP just has a large misunderstanding about the Hate rules in general. Guilds could easily do trash clears around Magi spawn if they wanted to, even before the Hate Mini rules were removed.

[bbsmitz]

There's currently a temp agreement on green reverting to the old pre-camp rules.

Also, there's no single Magi spawn. I think that change came later.

[Snaggles]

Non-Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

Epic Mage = CoTH Bot & Droga Farmer.

LOL, yea this.

Or quad DA with your epic mage and make a cooler corpse.

[Rygar]

Get to researching:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=292981

I made mention of finding evidence of mage staff and emerald for ranger epic on inny even after revamp

Links to each loot is in the spreadsheet, date is hyper linked to guild website report on wayback

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There's currently a temp agreement on green reverting to the old pre-camp rules.

Also, there's no single Magi spawn. I think that change came later.

Do you have a link to the agreement? I couldn't find anything on a quick UN/Forums search.

If they are just using the old rules, they already had an exception for guilds raiding in hate or killing trash:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3737104&postcount=14


Plane of Hate Mini Bosses, Maestro of Rancor, and Innoruuk
Zone: Plane of Hate
Translocate Allotment: No COTH
Run Speed Consideration(s):
Location of Engagement: May pull to entrance.
Additional Rule Consideration:
Additional Notes:
- You must port up after any of these mobs have spawned.
- If you were in the zone before any of these mobs spawned, you must leave the zone and come back.
- If you are actively clearing hate trash and/or a Mini spawns as part of a Plane of Hate guild raid you don't have to port down and back up.
- Dying and resurrecting does not meet these requirements. Example: you cannot die at the fountain/stairs safe spot, get ressed by a cleric who was camped out there, and come back into the zone.


I don't see any rules that allow unguilded characters to stay on a mini spawn, while guilds are always required to leave. Just schedule raids and/or trash clears around the Magi spawn timer(s) if you really want to contest Magi.

[bbsmitz]

Do you have a link to the agreement? I couldn't find anything on a quick UN/Forums search.


Green UN - https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/1496675714009665660/1509940290729934869

The clearing exception is gone for the temporary reversion, everyone ports out. After 3 months reverts to camp rules.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Green UN - https://discord.com/channels/808024000319979531/1496675714009665660/1509940290729934869

The clearing exception is gone for the temporary reversion, everyone ports out. After 3 months reverts to camp rules.

The link didn't work, but I'll take your word for it. Is there any evidence of players breaking the rules by not porting out, such as farm crews? I'd imagine you'd be able to get punishments for those players.

Worst case though you can contest the farm crews in 3 months.

[CrazyPro]

The link didn't work, but I'll take your word for it. Is there any evidence of players breaking the rules by not porting out, such as farm crews? I'd imagine you'd be able to get punishments for those players.

Worst case though you can contest the farm crews in 3 months.

The hate farm crew killed hate minis while their main guild was engaged on another raid mob. They also simply logged in at the entrance instead of porting up at least once. I WITNESSED IT WIT ME EYEBALLS.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The hate farm crew killed hate minis while their main guild was engaged on another raid mob. They also simply logged in at the entrance instead of porting up at least once. I WITNESSED IT WIT ME EYEBALLS.

Have you tried doing the same thing?:D Sounds like things are a bit loosey goosey. If you get embattled in laywerquest with the offenders, something may happen. If you record them logging in to hate against the rules while you do the same, you'll at least have evidence against the farm crew.

bbsmitz sent me a good document on the evidence against the farm crew so far.

I think there are options available if enough people really cared, even if it was just to spite the farm crews. But my feeling is most people don't care enough. Mage Epic is mostly a toy/trophy. Spending that time getting Vulak loot on a better class sounds like a better use of time.

[aaezil]

Its ok people like Ramen have been playing here 30 years and still dont got epic, im sure you’ll be fine

[IXIShaunIXI]

If you are saying there are unguilded players camped in hate to get around the rules specific to guilds, just do the same thing.

If they are actually breaking the rules somehow, you could even record them and post the evidence everywhere, so it can't be denied. Action may be taken then.

If you just give up and assume you can't win, that is how the farm crew wins.

Castle Bot Green
APP
— Yesterday at 11:17 PMFriday, June 26, 2026 11:17 PM
Your Tracking session for Hate Mini's has ended.

Summary:
Character: Shaunivi,
Duration: 20h 22m,
Rounded Duration: 20h 20m,
Hourly Rate: 1 DKP,
DKP Earned: 20.33

Tell me sir do you think i am enring my epic ?

[IXIShaunIXI]

I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking

Very nice! I have seen fellow guild Mages get their Epics this way.

[Cecily]

I sat up there for 20 hrs Tracking
Good. Good. That's about 1/10 of the average time spent there contemplating hatred.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Good. Good. That's about 1/10 of the average time spent there contemplating hatred.

No one is left who remembers that "camping" something could mean a couple weeks of your free time.

It's kind of funny watching those who were but babes during live becoming meta-literate, industrious, online, but still but constantly and probably unknowingly downnerfing classic to mean what would be hard for them

[loramin]

Look, the reality is that the staff let Diddly 2-box and monopolize Hate, for years. They could have changed the rules at any time, or even just performed a single 2-box check on him. Instead, they chose to turn a blind eye to blatant rules violations.

It's their server, and that's their choice. If they want Mage epics to work that way, nothing anyone here says, in this thread or any other, is likely to change their minds.

[loramin]

P.S. When I say "turn a blind eye", I should note that I never actually petitioned the guy (I've just posted about him in the forum). All I'm saying is, petition or no, the staff could have done something about him for years, and since they didn't, we can infer they like Hate the way it is.

[IXIShaunIXI]

P.S. When I say "turn a blind eye", I should note that I never actually petitioned the guy (I've just posted about him in the forum). All I'm saying is, petition or no, the staff could have done something about him for years, and since they didn't, we can infer they like Hate the way it is.

petition's don't work .... thats like saying we will investigate our self's and find no wrong doing

[IXIShaunIXI]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Eye_of_Innoruuk
all you have to do is pick a hate mod and see who the seller is


the are making trillions up there over the last fucking 5 years


NO ONE WOULD EVEN NEED that kind of $$$

they are selling it on ebay
real life $$$
there boxing .....

they are above the rules of the server

[Kluwen2]

Look, the reality is that the staff let Diddly 2-box and monopolize Hate, for years. They could have changed the rules at any time, or even just performed a single 2-box check on him. Instead, they chose to turn a blind eye to blatant rules violations.

It's their server, and that's their choice. If they want Mage epics to work that way, nothing anyone here says, in this thread or any other, is likely to change their minds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwtYwFZwkSc

[IXIShaunIXI]

0% trust of the gm's on green to let people who got banned from blue to come over to green and go back to making real life $$$ from farming hate

[WarpathEQ]

The best part of all of this is that OP quit the game, came back, joined castle, and is spending 20+ hours socking minis thinking that he finally has a chance to get an earth staff...Until one finally drops and he realizes there are 30 other mages in his guild with more DKP and that he is in a 30+ year line to ever get one from his guild.

[WarpathEQ]

And the Icing on the cake is that multiple people in his prior guild have mage epics now

[Kluwen2]

0% trust of the gm's on green to let people who got banned from blue to come over to green and go back to making real life $$$ from farming hate

Ping Rioto in discord, we have a few staffs for sale and will cut you a deal.

[IXIShaunIXI]

Ping Rioto in discord, we have a few staffs for sale and will cut you a deal.

i play everquest .... not multiquest

[IXIShaunIXI]

would be nice if the GM's would let us Play the GAME .,.... but i think they are "Bought and paid for" ...............

[IXIShaunIXI]

Ping Rioto in discord, we have a few staffs for sale and will cut you a deal.

but thank you for the Extortion i would like to play the game

[CrazyPro]

The best part of all of this is that OP quit the game, came back, joined castle, and is spending 20+ hours socking minis thinking that he finally has a chance to get an earth staff...Until one finally drops and he realizes there are 30 other mages in his guild with more DKP and that he is in a 30+ year line to ever get one from his guild.

He actually has the most DKP out of every non-epic mage in the guild by far.