What happens when EQL fails?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

A sub + in-game pay-to-wins. All so we can play Uber Me.

They can't change the world or the mechanics or anything, enough to make this money grab appealing and financially plausible past August for at least half their fanbase.

If we do not get a Merge before EQL we surely shall not get one after it is launched. Expect Rogean to sue his own project, in fact.

An additional sub AND pay-to-win.

Jawn.

[Hannibal]

I'm only salty about the need for a Sub AND Box fees. Way to make a barrier to entry for a lesser known MMO spin-off....

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I'm only salty about the need for a Sub AND Box fees. Way to make a barrier to entry for a lesser known MMO spin-off....

I was planning on playing it b/c I thought it surely was going to be part of all access.

These are not precious IP's worth their weight in latinum. I can come and goof off here playing the 1-10 minigame when the new TLP gets me down, which of course it eventually will.

Tomorrow is the launch day which means it's time for cursing in the in-game chat channels as the servers go down. "I took off work" -- people still do that!

[Wayward]

Player retention is gonna suck. The same crowd that speed-runs TLPs will jump to EQL, speed-run EQL and then run out of stuff to do before they can release xPacs.

Folks who used to play EQ back in the day might come back, check it out, think "whoa this is way different than the EQ i remember" and stop playing.

[BradZax]

this money grab appealing and financially plausible past August for at least half their fanbase.

Half their fan base would rather they went bankrupt, and they are still going to play EQL.

My guess is they will make a ton of money, validate their horrible existence, and then daybreak will blow it all on a bunch of failed follow up releases.

[Belambic]

Folks who used to play EQ back in the day might come back, check it out, think "whoa this is way different than the EQ i remember" and stop playing.

That's how I felt about EQ2. Nothing like the original.
It reminded me of England vs New England. The place names are the same, but they're nothing at all alike.
The disconnect was too much.

[BradZax]

I really don't think it will fail. THJ was a mod and it dwarfed their live numbers.

Make it a direct download from a reputable source and everyone who has ever wanted to kill a dragon in EQ but couldn't can now?

I think that will be big numbers.

I could be wrong but thats just what im expecting. Serious rewards for these god damn enad global 7 types.

[Reiwa]

I really don't think it will fail. THJ was a mod and it dwarfed their live numbers.

Make it a direct download from a reputable source and everyone who has ever wanted to kill a dragon in EQ but couldn't can now?

I think that will be big numbers.

I could be wrong but thats just what im expecting. Serious rewards for these god damn enad global 7 types.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-01-2015/MTDyjK.gif

[kjs86z2]

secrets goes onto the next one

[Sonolin]

> in-game pay-to-wins

Is there EXP pots in EQL like quarm or something?

I think the concept of EQL is interesting but it seems poorly done. I don't feel like playing Diablo EQ but I could see how some might like that.

[Danth]

I really don't think it will fail.

I'm with you there. I expect EQL to do fairly well for itself. Timing is in EQL's favor too: Not a whole lot going on in the genre-at-large right now, so it's a good time to open this type of smaller project. I don't expect it to have a ten year run (we'll see), but I figure it'll do alright. Hopefully it does. Failures don't benefit any of us.

[Cecily]

So I have I have today to decide whether or not I'm giving wayward realms 50 bucks for early access to their Kickstarter which surely won't be a bad decision at all. I really would like a new take on Daggerfall that isn't Todd Howarded. Not super interested in Legends. I got bored of THJ months before the lawsuit happened.

[Snaggles]

It’s great for people so bad at EQ that they need a multi-class to solo.

[BradZax]

Imagine being good at eq 25 years later.

[Duik]

Imagine not getting out of EQ what you want (no matter what that is) after 25 yrs.

[Wakanda]

I'm not going to hate on something other people like, but I would like someone to explain the appeal?

I watch a friend stream it and he and his friend group were talking about how it's cool because you are OP and can do stuff you can wreck the content, and how it's awesome because you get to play the game completely alone. And that it actually feels more like WoW!

From my perspective if I want an easy mode MMO where I can just plow through mobs without a care in the world... I'll just play WoW. I personally play EQ because I am seeking a more difficult challenge.

It's just hard for me to fathom wanting to play EQ on easy mode.

Also apparently there isn't actually that much choice and everyone plays the meta anyways. I know all of my friends re-rolled to make sure they had a plate class as part of their combo.

[BradZax]

bro i play as a level 60 killing orcs when im playing everquest. Its not about being op.

it's just everquest.

1. you can be a frog.

2. you can wear indicolite armor and have a dog pet and use a 2h sword as dps

idk wtf more do you want

[Reiwa]

I'm not going to hate on something other people like, but I would like someone to explain the appeal?

I watch a friend stream it and he and his friend group were talking about how it's cool because you are OP and can do stuff you can wreck the content, and how it's awesome because you get to play the game completely alone. And that it actually feels more like WoW!

From my perspective if I want an easy mode MMO where I can just plow through mobs without a care in the world... I'll just play WoW. I personally play EQ because I am seeking a more difficult challenge.

It's just hard for me to fathom wanting to play EQ on easy mode.

Also apparently there isn't actually that much choice and everyone plays the meta anyways. I know all of my friends re-rolled to make sure they had a plate class as part of their combo.

The youtube I watched he recorded himself losing to nagafen and then posted it.

[Wakanda]

bro i play as a level 60 killing orcs when im playing everquest. Its not about being op.

it's just everquest.

1. you can be a frog.

2. you can wear indicolite armor and have a dog pet and use a 2h sword as dps

idk wtf more do you want

you can already do this on TLPs

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Cecily mentions Daggerfall. Excuse the gloom? But none may know of this meeting?

An AI driven Daggerfall would be pretty nuts. Has there ever been a larger gameworld?

I'm waiting for games that have active AI gm's. These will fail, but the emulators will be fun.

[BradZax]

you can already do this on TLPs

And I do, and have.

[Wayward]

I got bored of THJ months before the lawsuit happened.

This is why EQL Player retention is fucked. They are going to try and release xPacs for EQL, but the amount of effort put into the classic iteration compared to every subsequent xpac is going to be much different.

[cd288]

I'm not going to hate on something other people like, but I would like someone to explain the appeal?

I watch a friend stream it and he and his friend group were talking about how it's cool because you are OP and can do stuff you can wreck the content, and how it's awesome because you get to play the game completely alone. And that it actually feels more like WoW!

From my perspective if I want an easy mode MMO where I can just plow through mobs without a care in the world... I'll just play WoW. I personally play EQ because I am seeking a more difficult challenge.

It's just hard for me to fathom wanting to play EQ on easy mode.

Also apparently there isn't actually that much choice and everyone plays the meta anyways. I know all of my friends re-rolled to make sure they had a plate class as part of their combo.

The only time I agree with RecondoJoe lol

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

People are assuming this isn't The Sting, I've noticed.

Jawn and Rogean are gonna make some fine money, we all say.

I do find it curious this really is not connected to live.

Frostreaver, is kicking ass. Daybreak is being incredibly responsive to even simple gameplay snafus.

The GM "level touch" is gonna kick ass when it's AA time. They just ding you for being happy.

Damn. I really cannot express how surprised I am. 4 Jacks.

[vales]

It'll be fine at first, then nosedive. Leveling is fast enough to where that won't retain subscriptions. Gear has planned obsolescence in less than 6 months, and even if that wasn't the case what exactly is the gear for if you can already clear the best stuff? On P99 at least raid gear gives you more solo-ability, but legends has solo-ability as its foundation. Then there's the fact that everything is an HP sponge and all class combos lead to melee, so max level gameplay is just boring.

They haven't and won't justify the subscription fee and constant nickel and diming from expansions, so something will either give on their payment model or the game itself will give.

[WarpathEQ]

Best part about EQL is failure isn't possible you just click a button and reset like nothing ever happened :P

I still need to play the Diablo 4 that I bought and then started P99 between the beta and full release but from what I've seen of both EQL seems a lot like D4 to me when it comes to gearing and item progression and player interaction. Basically the grind becomes grinding bosses solo versus grinding trash mobs solo on P99 for exp/plat/gear.

Probably not for me but I can see some appeal that will keep the THJ types rolling for quite some time.

[kjs86z2]

Best part about EQL is failure isn't possible you just click a button and reset like nothing ever happened :P

I still need to play the Diablo 4 that I bought and then started P99 between the beta and full release but from what I've seen of both EQL seems a lot like D4 to me when it comes to gearing and item progression and player interaction. Basically the grind becomes grinding bosses solo versus grinding trash mobs solo on P99 for exp/plat/gear.

Probably not for me but I can see some appeal that will keep the THJ types rolling for quite some time.

Do yourself a favor and just start D4 on hardcore. Game is way too dumb / easy.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Diabloquest or Everdiablo does not spark subscription fee joy. Add pay to win elements? Not my scene, man.

[cd288]

It'll be fine at first, then nosedive. Leveling is fast enough to where that won't retain subscriptions. Gear has planned obsolescence in less than 6 months, and even if that wasn't the case what exactly is the gear for if you can already clear the best stuff? On P99 at least raid gear gives you more solo-ability, but legends has solo-ability as its foundation. Then there's the fact that everything is an HP sponge and all class combos lead to melee, so max level gameplay is just boring.

They haven't and won't justify the subscription fee and constant nickel and diming from expansions, so something will either give on their payment model or the game itself will give.

This is probably the right take. I think it will do very well for awhile but the overall experience is going to feel pretty samey eventually. I don't think they will retain high player count past the first few expansions.

[BradZax]

Imagine devoting your life to giving people free classic everquest for 15 years and then the community you built spends most of its free time talking about how your new project will fail lol

[cd288]

Imagine devoting your life to giving people free classic everquest for 15 years and then the community you built spends most of its free time talking about how your new project will fail lol

Who said that was a failure? You make a bunch of money in subscription fees due to your involvement in a project that you were asked to be involved in due to all of your prior free work on another emulator.

Seems like a big win for Rogean even if EQL doesn't last past a few expansions. He gets a bunch of money out of it either way.

[Wayward]

Seems like a big win for Rogean even if EQL doesn't last past a few expansions. He gets a bunch of money out of it either way.

Ehhh, a bunch, idk. Doubtful that they bought his or Secret's or the other devs IP as part of their deal. He's making a salary, yes. Probably slightly north of $100k.

Don't get me wrong, nothing to sneeze at - but it's certainly not retirement money.

[cd288]

Rogean is independently wealthy isn't he? I'm sure he'd take $100k+ revenue from the side hustle he ordinarily does for free (and sometimes at his own expense if donations are insufficient)

[WarpathEQ]

I would take 100k for things I do for free currently :)

[BradZax]

Who said that was a failure?

Title of the thread.

Multiple comments ITT

Literally you agreeing with one here:

It'll be fine at first, then nosedive.

This is probably the right take.

https://i.imgur.com/LgkWP1g.png

[BradZax]

It's also weird that THJ was such a huge success, no nose dive, and had to be shut down because it was taking away too many players from live?

And you r-words think that it will nosedive?

Why, do you think rogan can't do that with official daybreak backing?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Imagine devoting your life to giving people free classic everquest for 15 years and then the community you built spends most of its free time talking about how your new project will fail lol

https://i.imgur.com/YNZ9JBu.jpeg

Most of its free time is what catches my attention here.

I would pay a subscription to actually see that before I'd pay to subscribe to roll-a-dope.

[BradZax]

I just think in general we should be rooting for total success of EQL but I am from an age of liking stuff.

[BradZax]

idk how anyone can be anything but hype for this:

https://i.imgur.com/He8AZ0k.png

[Ekco]

idk how anyone can be anything but hype for this:

https://i.imgur.com/He8AZ0k.png
lack of imagination problem

zero interest, zero hype here

got bored of THJ the second i unlocked Luclin and uninstalled way before it got taken down, i forsee due to the soloability of content from the tri class system and how fast people blitz through new servers just in general people going to be burned out / bored within a month or two

the time investment / friction in getting gear as a solo player is what makes EQ work, streamlining that and removing any barrier of difficulty just turns it into a weird Diablo/Path of Exile thing without the turbo rare RNG loot system that keeps people playing those

i bet if THJ didn't get taken down the population would be rather small today from people just "beating" it and getting bored and moving on

[BradZax]

Big words taking on a bet like that. I wouldn't take such risks.

Try bitcoin instead.

[Reiwa]

lack of imagination problem

zero interest, zero hype here

got bored of THJ the second i unlocked Luclin and uninstalled way before it got taken down, i forsee due to the soloability of content from the tri class system and how fast people blitz through new servers just in general people going to be burned out / bored within a month or two

the time investment / friction in getting gear as a solo player is what makes EQ work, streamlining that and removing any barrier of difficulty just turns it into a weird Diablo/Path of Exile thing without the turbo rare RNG loot system that keeps people playing those

i bet if THJ didn't get taken down the population would be rather small today from people just "beating" it and getting bored and moving on

So like, add Lustrous Russet at the Box of Abukar drop rate?

[BradZax]

Haha! Dwarven mage with a robe!

"you know one day ill get sick of that, pass"

[cd288]

Title of the thread.

Multiple comments ITT

Literally you agreeing with one here:





https://i.imgur.com/LgkWP1g.png

Just because something nosedives eventually doesn't make it a failure. It's all context-dependent. EQ itself nosedived eventually, would you call EQ a failure overall? Certainly not.

If Rogean and others make a bunch of money in revenue sharing through a few expansions, I would assume they would say that's not a failure, even if EQL doesn't generate much revenue beyond that.

[cd288]

It's also weird that THJ was such a huge success, no nose dive

THJ was around for a very limited period of time.

I'm talking a few expansions down the road, which is what a year and a half or something like that? Can't remember what the EQL timeline is.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I want to stress, a pic of a gnome in a robe is cool.

But I'm not gonna subscribe to it, and pay for a special ancient dwarven beard grease that is double fungi regen but costs 5 dolla a pop.

[BradZax]

THJ was around for a very limited period of time.

I'm talking a few expansions down the road, which is what a year and a half or something like that? Can't remember what the EQL timeline is.

Whatever you say boss. I am just glad to see you talking shit on rogan too instead of just THJ.

https://i.imgur.com/C4lAVgS.png

[Duik]

I remembwr when someone called shovelquest said cuz DBG was suing thj they would never ever ever play DBG games ever ever again.

Just sayen.

Do you know this Shovelquest clown Bradzax?

[BradZax]

I know that a lot of people are sexually obsessed with him.

[cd288]

Whatever you say boss. I am just glad to see you talking shit on rogan too instead of just THJ.

https://i.imgur.com/C4lAVgS.png

How am I talking shit on Rogean? I said he's probably going to make a bunch of money on EQL for the first few expansions, which is a just reward for all the free work he's put in for us on P99.


I remembwr when someone called shovelquest said cuz DBG was suing thj they would never ever ever play DBG games ever ever again.

Just sayen.

Do you know this Shovelquest clown Bradzax?

Ok this made me LOL. I didn't even think of that. He's in here touting EQL even though they totally shut down his favorite free server in order to launch EQL.

[BradZax]

Yeah thats right i like evequest you losers.

[cd288]

Yeah thats right i like evequest you losers.

Guy has no standards. Daybreak shuts down his free EQ EZ-Mode server and he has a meltdown about it and says he'll never play a Daybreak server ever. Daybreak launches EZ-Mode server and asks him to pay them to play it, and he immediately caves and subscribes. Lol

[BradZax]

Yes because I'm not a cancel culture retard.

I can enjoy something owned by someone I dont like without devoting my life to destroying it.

[BradZax]

EQ EZ-Mode server

If you want EZ mode server, try playing on a p99 sever where every level 10 has warder loot (except you, because you will never have warder loot).

[Cecily]

I want to stress, a pic of a gnome in a robe is cool.

But I'm not gonna subscribe to it, and pay for a special ancient dwarven beard grease that is double fungi regen but costs 5 dolla a pop.
Honestly, I would buy a $50 box and pay a sub for a game that prominently advertised dwarven beard grease as a feature. I don't even play dwarves but that's the level of creativity I'm begging for in all the shitty copy paste games.

[BradZax]

Rogan, put dwarven beard grease in EQL PLEASE!

[Foxplay]

If EQL fails ill still play p99, If EQL succeeds ill still play p99

Ill also play EQL at least until im bored of it. But doesn't really effect my p99 time because my "grind" on p99 is pretty much over, here for the raiding. EQL will just be my new "grind game" to play when not raiding on p99

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Guy has no standards. Daybreak shuts down his free EQ EZ-Mode server and he has a meltdown about it and says he'll never play a Daybreak server ever. Daybreak launches EZ-Mode server and asks him to pay them to play it, and he immediately caves and subscribes. Lol

Andy Dufresne showed them all. Crawled through shit and then subscribed to live.

[cd288]

Yes because I'm not a cancel culture retard.

I can enjoy something owned by someone I dont like without devoting my life to destroying it.

Huh? But you literally said you would never play anything Daybreak was affiliated with ever again. So you are a "cancel culture retard" (your words)

But now you're signing up for a Daybreak server because you're too soft to actual stand by your principles. Sad.

[Wayward]

Huh? But you literally said you would never play anything Daybreak was affiliated with ever again. So you are a "cancel culture retard" (your words)

But now you're signing up for a Daybreak server because you're too soft to actual stand by your principles. Sad.

Logic doesnt work with him. All signs point to him being chronically online and anti-social. Poor guy probably lives alone, doesn't have friends for in-person hangouts, and chooses to express his grief through low-effort posts here.

[cd288]

Well I wouldn't go that far, but I do think he should stand on his earlier principles and not play EQL

[BradZax]

You may think I am chronically online, but one thing is for sure: I live chronically in both of your 1 IQ heads.

Well I wouldn't go that far, but I do think he should stand on his earlier principles and not play EQL

Why are you on p99 literally rooting for rogan to be boycotted and for his project to fail?

[BradZax]

Logic doesnt work with him. All signs point to him being chronically online and anti-social. Poor guy probably lives alone, doesn't have friends for in-person hangouts, and chooses to express his grief through low-effort posts here.

You know, people accuse others of the lives they live online? That's a statistical fact.

[loramin]

Why are you on p99 literally rooting for rogan to be boycotted and for his project to fail?

Isn't the other way around though? P99 is dying because Rogean left it for EQL.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rogean deserves all the success in the world given how much he's done here, and I'm totally rooting for him! It's just too bad that his success seems to come at the cost of P99's.

[Praxcthius]

Rogean has been involved with p99 since green was formed? I’m astonished. Thought he just left an expense account for the server to be powered up

[BradZax]

Isn't the other way around though? P99 is dying because Rogean left it for EQL.

Maybe it's dying because daybreak wont let them merge and launch a new time locked progression server :o

I don't think rogan abandoned us but if that's what you're going to accuse him of giving us this mana from heaven for over 15 years, to only FINALLY get funding by the official liscenser to fund his wild ideas.

Then that's really selfish IMO.

[BradZax]

Rogean has been involved with p99 since green was formed? I’m astonished. Thought he just left an expense account for the server to be powered up

Rog is like the guild leader.

Nilbog is like the raid leader.

Both valuble, but one of them is the GOAT god bless you nilbog.

[BradZax]

To be clear, nilbog you are the goat, i would follow you down the throat of Yelinak if you asked me to.

[cd288]

You may think I am chronically online, but one thing is for sure: I live chronically in both of your 1 IQ heads.



Why are you on p99 literally rooting for rogan to be boycotted and for his project to fail?

I always forget how you have such poor reading comprehension. You may want to go back and try re-reading the comments I made where I said I think EQL will generate some solid revenue for the first few expansions.

Nor am I calling for the project to be fully boycotted. You're not very good at this trying to spin peoples' words thing are you? I'm calling for you to stand up and do what you said, which is that you'll never play on anything affiliated with Daybreak after they shut down THJ. You had a full on meltdown about that incident, and now you're going to give Daybreak your hard-earned cash for the server they're launching as a copy of the server you were furious that they shut down? Have some dignity man. It's just pathetic for you to play EQL at this point.

[BradZax]

cd you have a very good way of justifying what you're saying, the people i know that do that are like racists and stuff.

[loramin]

Maybe it's dying because daybreak wont let them merge and launch a new time locked progression server :o

I don't think rogan abandoned us but if that's what you're going to accuse him of giving us this mana from heaven for over 15 years, to only FINALLY get funding by the official liscenser to fund his wild ideas.

Then that's really selfish IMO.

Selfish? I literally wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I think Rogean deserves all the success in the world given how much he's done here, and I'm totally rooting for him!

But, like I said before ... I just wish he could have found a way to keep supporting P99 (while still having "all the success in the world" with EQL).

But look, if simply thinking P99 is awesome, and wishing it wasn't dying makes me selfish, then I guess I am.

[BradZax]

Selfish? I literally wrote:



But, like I said before ... I just wish he could have found a way to keep supporting P99 (while still having "all the success in the world" with EQL).

But look, if simply thinking P99 is awesome, and wishing it wasn't dying makes me selfish, then I guess I am.

I didnt say that was selfish, i said thinking he let you down to go make this is.

[BradZax]

But I dont think its dying, last time i was on p99 was like 6 months ago and people were still fighting over camps in low level zones!