Enchanters animation user

[Rumham]

Why do I see so many enchanter using animation like they are some pet class mage. You are a charm master why even use a pet that isn’t charm unless killing fodder. You shouldn’t even be an enchanter and no self respecting will even want a C2 from you. I see these enchanter and they are the same one to say how their charm always breaks and it’s so hard and risky when really it’s just a fish in a bucket you’ll never miss if you even look for half a second. Ugh I just get sick to see these enchanters using animations. Tell me you don’t enchanter without telling me you don’t charm lol like the TikTok’s/memes

[Rumham]

Also don’t get me wrong I dk t even care if you are good at charming and just die a loy… take your deaths and be a charming enchanter don’t summon an animation. This isn’t about skill it’s about using your skills

[Tethler]

So, you be clear. You came here to complain about other people who are playing the game in a way that you deem to be suboptimal...when it doesn't affect you whatsoever? Is that right?

[Rumham]

It’s way bigger because like for the example of right now I can show that I can’t find a group because everyone probably thinks I’ll summon an animation and just buff them with clarity like a bard singing one song so guess that is the point it hurts me getting groups in the name of enchanters and you are basically a one song bard if you use the animation

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It’s way bigger because like for the example of right now I can show that I can’t find a group because everyone probably thinks I’ll summon an animation and just buff them with clarity like a bard singing one song so guess that is the point it hurts me getting groups in the name of enchanters and you are basically a one song bard if you use the animation

If someone wants to solo, it doesn't matter if they charm or use animations. They won't group with you in both scenarios.

I understand why Enchanters are lazy, and use their animation. Soloing via charming is more effort than soloing on a different class like Monk. Sometimes people just want the easier Monk experience on their Enchanter.

This is like complaining about a twinked Monk soloing, because it is easy to do.

I do get your annoyance at not finding a group, but the animation line of spells is not to blame.

[Tethler]

Is this guy really complaining that it's hard to find a group as an enchanter? Jfc

[Rumham]

Maybe you check my lfg post where not one reply for almost 20 hours (thanks animation users) or even how I’ve been looking for guild post since level 51 (53 now). I’d say the proof is the pudding here… animation users have destroyed the past reality of easy groups and easy guild for enchanter. Have you played an enchanter recent? Maybe you’re living in the way they were viewed in the past

[Swish]

Same goes for those low effort necros, you give them a group in KC where there's multiple undead to pick from...an undead pet menu right before your eyes. Nah bro I'm summoning a 49 pet and I might or might not remember to send it each fight lmaooo

[Pootle]

Wait, so it's other players fault that you cannot get a group or a guild... riiiight.

[Hannibal]

I feel like maybe I'm missing something. The argument is you can't group because a chanter uses an animation when solo'ing.

An Animation only attacks when you get hit. Every chanter I've played with either charms or summons nothing at all because they're busy buffing/debuffing/CC everything. No one summons an Animation in a group and tries to get whacked that I've ever played with, and I've been around for awhile.

I feel like the animation is simply for solo'ing and only so you can deal with trash etc. If I saw a chanter IN A GROUP with an animation, then I'd be concerned, but not when solo'ing. Different playstyles are greatly supported here. I'd hate to only use a single part of the toolkit for ANY given class. I mean, my druid can charm things and quad, but I still enjoy root rotting the most in this game. Just a nice relaxing stream of DoTs to control.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I feel like maybe I'm missing something.

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No one summons an Animation in a group and tries to get whacked that I've ever played with, and I've been around for awhile.

I agree. I've never seen this myself. But OP is on Green I think, so maybe people do things different over there.

[Jimjam]

I feel like maybe I'm missing something. The argument is you can't group because a chanter uses an animation when solo'ing.

An Animation only attacks when you get hit. Every chanter I've played with either charms or summons nothing at all because they're busy buffing/debuffing/CC everything. No one summons an Animation in a group and tries to get whacked that I've ever played with, and I've been around for awhile.

I feel like the animation is simply for solo'ing and only so you can deal with trash etc. If I saw a chanter IN A GROUP with an animation, then I'd be concerned, but not when solo'ing. Different playstyles are greatly supported here. I'd hate to only use a single part of the toolkit for ANY given class. I mean, my druid can charm things and quad, but I still enjoy root rotting the most in this game. Just a nice relaxing stream of DoTs to control.
Animation knows taunt, so it can work a bit like an automatic root - for whatever reason mob hits you, ani steps up, you get on with your day while group kills main mob in like 10sec then turns to assist the distraction ani.

Also while levelling up a lot of encs like to mess around with ani in group - if there is a war tank it is likely the main target is rooted anyway so enc can get a few +def skills hopping in to trigger the ani.

[chillybob]

OP sounds mad cuz bad.

[Wayward]

Every chanter I've played with either charms or summons nothing at all because they're busy buffing/debuffing/CC everything. No one summons an Animation in a group and tries to get whacked that I've ever played with, and I've been around for awhile.



You have not played with enough enchanters, then. Some enchanters summon animations (most at low level), but I've even grouped with some 50+ enchanters that just rock an animation.

I agree, however, that the animations best use-case is when clearing low-level trash at a high level. Using the level 55 pet with Dual wield + boon + feedback actually works well in places like Droga.

[cd288]

I agree. I've never seen this myself. But OP is on Green I think, so maybe people do things different over there.

OP is baiting and all of you are biting

[Ennewi]

You cast your line.
You caught something...

[Duik]

OP is baiting and all of you are biting

OP is a drunk with zero impulse control.

Literally OP Rum.

[Ennewi]

You spill your beer while bringing in your line.

[TomisFeline]

There is a time and a place for enchanter animation, including Zumaiks.

It’s another tool in a big tool belt, and for some solo semi afk camps the best option as it requires the least attention.

The only active (as in not afk for 25 mins then killing) camp I’m aware of (that a level 60 may need to spend time at) where it is the preferred option over charm is droga trash farming.

[deviltiger]

Playing through EQ for the first time. Went with enchanter and mostly play solo. I don't feel comfortable charming while in a group until I've had more practice as I've died plenty of times to charm breaks.

[BradZax]

Playing through EQ for the first time. Went with enchanter and mostly play solo. I don't feel comfortable charming while in a group until I've had more practice as I've died plenty of times to charm breaks.

That is awesome! There is a ton of strategy you can dig through on these forums, and it's an incredibly unique gameplay experience that is super challenging and rewarding to master!

[BradZax]

If you haven't watched Tecmos Deception the old school dudes videos on youtube, give them all a watch, he taught literally everyone on p99 how to play enchanter.

Before him it was an elite skill only cool people knew about.

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[Goregasmic]

There's plenty of reasons to use it and plenty of reasons not to. You just have to know when.

A good example I see is a lot of people sweating over the ghost of kindle kill, charming a possibly 54 undead with lots of MR and lulling the whole room and all.

You can summon an animation in the corridor and pull her with a crit fail lull, she's on a different faction. Zumaiks will handle her if you stop her from CHing.

Use it when it makes sense. And if someone wants to use it when it doesn't, who cares.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There's plenty of reasons to use it and plenty of reasons not to. You just have to know when.

A good example I see is a lot of people sweating over the ghost of kindle kill, charming a possibly 54 undead with lots of MR and lulling the whole room and all.

You can summon an animation in the corridor and pull her with a crit fail lull, she's on a different faction. Zumaiks will handle her if you stop her from CHing.

Use it when it makes sense. And if someone wants to use it when it doesn't, who cares.

Indeed. People underestimate the power of these kinds of pets. Enchanter Animation and Shaman Doggo aren't as powerful as a Mage or Necro pet, but Enchanters and Shamans have utility to make up for this. Slow by iteself is a huge boost to pet survivability.

https://youtu.be/umuVBewCNgY?si=KSx0wS_K5U700DQ5

Shaman Doggo can tank a Cliff Golem for the entire fight. Zumaik's is stronger than Shaman Doggo. You can't easily control it, but Enchanters can control everything else.

[branamil]

You can use it for various things like killing Felia Goldwing, farming low level dungeons, or XP groups before your 20s. If you're in an XP group with your animation after 30 then it's next to useless.

[TomisFeline]

There's plenty of reasons to use it and plenty of reasons not to. You just have to know when.

A good example I see is a lot of people sweating over the ghost of kindle kill, charming a possibly 54 undead with lots of MR and lulling the whole room and all.

You can summon an animation in the corridor and pull her with a crit fail lull, she's on a different faction. Zumaiks will handle her if you stop her from CHing.

Use it when it makes sense. And if someone wants to use it when it doesn't, who cares.

secret tip, don't tell anyone, but you can land lull on her from outside the undead tower. There is a spot you can stand on top of the building that you go in to to start climbing tower where you have 0 adds.

from there, you could run around and get her pulled even further away with 0 adds...

but all the solo instructions on GoK talk about going up the tower to that tiny hallway

[WarpathEQ]

I just assume if a chanter is grouping then they don't have the capability of charming successfully/safely and therefore at best case is going to use their animation in group.

And as pointed out animation is better dps/tankier than a shaman pet so its pretty legit for tanking slowed mobs. A lot you could do for 1 on 1 fights where a chanter is normally not as ideal of a class due to lack of charm options compared to a necro/shaman.

[cd288]

I just assume if a chanter is grouping then they don't have the capability of charming successfully/safely and therefore at best case is going to use their animation in group.

And as pointed out animation is better dps/tankier than a shaman pet so its pretty legit for tanking slowed mobs. A lot you could do for 1 on 1 fights where a chanter is normally not as ideal of a class due to lack of charm options compared to a necro/shaman.

On my Ench I would group occasionally when I wanted a break from charm killing. I mostly soloed because my goal with the Ench was to use it to EXP in places I'd never really done before, including very random out of the way places such as the Yetis in TD. But occasionally I would group to mix it up and would happily charm a mob for DPS.

Grouping on an Ench is just more annoying as an adult because I have other obligations where I may need to go AFK. And going AFK as the Ench in a group is kinda difficult. Need to kill the charmed pet and then you're not available to CC, mana regen, slow, etc. while you're gone so it hampers your group mates.

[Busher]

I've got a 60 Enc on blue (Goliath) and just came back last winter with a younger clone on green who just dinged 38. I've used my animation when soloing at times and like cd288 just said, it's nice to take a break, go afk, and just not having to think about charm breaks.
I've had a ton of fun with them in places like the Kings Room in Lower Guk. A Zumaik's with Boon of Garou and 2 Deadwood Staves is no slouch.

[Cecily]

If you haven't watched Tecmos Deception the old school dudes videos on youtube, give them all a watch, he taught literally everyone on p99 how to play enchanter.

Before him it was an elite skill only cool people knew about.
How hard is it to cast VoG?

[BradZax]

How hard is it to cast VoG?

Remember when everyone thought enchanter was a 'group' class?

[Busher]

Remember when everyone thought enchanter was a 'group' class?

Funny you should say that. I was just reading the description of Enchanters on the Wiki's class page. There's no mention of soloing and it actually seems to insinuate they need to group.