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Crenshinabon
08-08-2011, 08:47 PM
Considering how many have been banned off the new pvp server Red69 is laughable. A lot of people VERY vocally wants a good pvp server, yet a LOT of the big names on this forum have been caught using MQ or cheating.

I wanted to try and like the pvp community including some of the big names who I thought were fun "villains" to go against. But the amount of cheating was just ridiculous and more extreme than I thought possible. I also always wondered why people jumped from server to server and now I see its because they get banned for cheating.

There were like 3 really big names who were all banned who I am surprised of and no longer will respect them and whom I literally will laugh at if I see them get a kill or in a game.

Happy EQing ... except not really because you are probably cheating.

meta`
08-08-2011, 08:48 PM
Which big name was banned off R69?

fiegi
08-08-2011, 08:49 PM
name names

Prince
08-08-2011, 08:55 PM
while the mq use is p loltastic, all that 99% of ppl use it for is tracking ppls to fight (at least on vztz). By always assuming when there are ppl in zone that they are headed directly to you, you take away any advantage that mq gives them.

Crenshinabon
08-08-2011, 08:57 PM
I will not say because I do not want to turn this into a giant flame fest. I also do not want certain people to feel like they have to defend themselves, call me a liar, etc. Just wanted to let everyone know how craptastic a lot of the people are, and to hope that some of these players try to play an actual legit game every so often.

And to guy above me, I also realize that MQ isn't the best tool around. But why even need to use it in the first place? Its really fkin sad that they have to rely on that crap. Then to get caught and banned is even more loltastic, except in the bad way.

Prince
08-08-2011, 09:10 PM
mqs dum but my point is that if you are smart, it won't give the ppl you are fighting any advantage 99% of the time

fiegi
08-08-2011, 09:12 PM
chuck demands names

Convict
08-08-2011, 09:15 PM
while the mq use is p loltastic, all that 99% of ppl use it for is tracking ppls to fight (at least on vztz). By always assuming when there are ppl in zone that they are headed directly to you, you take away any advantage that mq gives them.
This ^

Tonomar
08-08-2011, 09:33 PM
MQ in EQ is like roids in football, everyone's doin it bra, it's just not talked about.

Knuckle
08-08-2011, 09:41 PM
Big knuckle the role model for kids with downs everywhere.

wrxBRAH
08-08-2011, 09:50 PM
while the mq use is p loltastic, all that 99% of ppl use it for is tracking ppls to fight (at least on vztz). By always assuming when there are ppl in zone that they are headed directly to you, you take away any advantage that mq gives them.

Isnt that why certain classes get the track ability? You start off justifying tracking people and end up at "Its ok for me to insta gib people because i am a mellee and I dont get nukes".

Slippery slope brah.

naez
08-08-2011, 09:55 PM
yes you correctly identified your slippery slope logical fallacy.



hacking is srsly like who rly cares I never understood all the QQ and I'm not running trojan keyloggers easily cracked by my Indians for any server's "anti-hax" measures


if Sony a multibillion dollar worldwide easily 1 of the largest corporations in the world couldnt stop ackers then some rinky dink emu devs arent gonna so just cry2gm

Rogean
08-08-2011, 09:56 PM
if Sony a multibillion dollar worldwide easily 1 of the largest corporations in the world couldnt stop ackers then some rinky dink emu devs arent gonna

There's one problem with your theory.

SoE doesn't want to stop the hackers. We do.

And I'm going to challenge that statement.

naez
08-08-2011, 09:58 PM
Sure not now they need the subscribers, but before WoW killed them.


Even WoW's Warden spyware crap gets cracked ezpz, so the point is valid

Envious
08-08-2011, 10:07 PM
MQ in EQ is like roids in football, everyone's doin it bra, it's just not talked about.

I never used it... And I maintain that having a classic exp curve is a deterrent to using it. Much larger time invested, so the value of the risk is much higher.

Although I think I still have Salty's proliferated MQ build in my email somewhere.

Tonomar
08-08-2011, 10:11 PM
There's one problem with your theory.

SoE doesn't want to stop the hackers. We do.

And I'm going to challenge that statement.

Just got a chub when I saw Lord Rogean post. All hail box Jesus.

juicedsixfo
08-08-2011, 10:37 PM
I never used it... And I maintain that having a classic exp curve is a deterrent to using it. Much larger time invested, so the value of the risk is much higher.

Although I think I still have Salty's proliferated MQ build in my email somewhere.

I wouldn't use it

http://i52.tinypic.com/n5n6ef.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/20t5qtc.jpg

Prince
08-08-2011, 10:51 PM
Isnt that why certain classes get the track ability? You start off justifying tracking people and end up at "Its ok for me to insta gib people because i am a mellee and I dont get nukes".

Slippery slope brah.

u dum or wut

Prince
08-08-2011, 10:52 PM
also op stop being a vagina and post names

wrxBRAH
08-08-2011, 11:14 PM
u dum or wut

No I just think you should play the game with the abilities your character has.

Envious
08-08-2011, 11:15 PM
Rofl, Salty STILL using MQ?

Weak~

Halister
08-09-2011, 03:45 AM
Allow me to laugh at you douchy pieces of shit who try to justify your haxing by claiming you "only" use it for tracking. hardy har har.

Filthy dirty little shit-nubs.

Bootcamp
08-09-2011, 05:09 AM
Yeah most of the PVP server people are board warriors and wont be able to handle the game without running MQ. I never used MQ and never will. Flipmode legit 4 life. Blue99 didnt turn out to be such a bad server to play on because of the fact that yeah, people use MQ on the blue server also but atleast it wont screw up your game like it does on PVP. If you ran MQ on VZTZ you are garbage and can't call your self good at pvp.

Cool story, right, bro?

Envious
08-09-2011, 05:30 AM
Yeah most of the PVP server people are board warriors and wont be able to handle the game without running MQ. I never used MQ and never will. Flipmode legit 4 life. Blue99 didnt turn out to be such a bad server to play on because of the fact that yeah, people use MQ on the blue server also but atleast it wont screw up your game like it does on PVP. If you ran MQ on VZTZ you are garbage and can't call your self good at pvp.

Cool story, right, bro?

I havent heard MQ mentioned once in vent or gchat on P99.

I dont even see a point in using it for a blue server. Macros maybe? I dunno what it does beyond tracking and the zone cmd shit that ended one of the VZ/TZ boxes.

Bootcamp
08-09-2011, 06:17 AM
I havent heard MQ mentioned once in vent or gchat on P99.

I dont even see a point in using it for a blue server. Macros maybe? I dunno what it does beyond tracking and the zone cmd shit that ended one of the VZ/TZ boxes.

You dont have to hear or read about it to know not all are legit. There are 0 MMOs with 0 cheaters. The only things that make m play on the R99 will be zero tolerance to hackers and they need to be perma banned an NO Fing WIPES!

Hasbinbad
08-09-2011, 06:31 AM
And I'm going to challenge that statement.
#73 according to CNN. (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2011/full_list/)

Prince
08-09-2011, 07:49 PM
u ppl so dum u dont even no

Fourthmeal
08-09-2011, 07:58 PM
Don't name names!

Prince
08-09-2011, 08:02 PM
entire thread epitome of dum

Doors
08-09-2011, 08:07 PM
Honestly who cares. Talk to any hardcore raider on p99. They all accuse the other competing guilds of using showeq, MQ and shit. Its actually funny though because these are the same kids who's excuse for why a red server will suck is because of pvpers running hax yet they do the same shit to just down raid targets.

Hopefully box Jesus and hero Null will do something about these people.

bamzal
08-09-2011, 08:35 PM
So many accusations too. You get the jump on some noob and they cry out warper, its redic. never hacked.

Salty
08-10-2011, 01:28 AM
Devnoob banned me because I talked shit about his server in ooc and on the forums about no boxing being retarded.

Red69 is dead because of no box.

Staff on a power trip, not news. The same time I was banned from the forums is when I was banned in-game.


I'd like to see what kind of "proof" he has to backup any hacking claim.

Lazortag
08-10-2011, 01:32 AM
Devnoob banned me because I talked shit about his server in ooc and on the forums about no boxing being retarded.

Red69 is dead because of no box.

Staff on a power trip, not news.

Considering you were doing that from the beginning and only got banned now, I'm going to go with the simpler explanation, which is that you were caught cheating. Again.

Salty
08-10-2011, 01:53 AM
Considering you were doing that from the beginning and only got banned now, I'm going to go with the simpler explanation, which is that you were caught cheating. Again.

How did big Salty hack?


Here is my Journey into Red69...

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Salty
08-10-2011, 01:54 AM
Last Image before ban, level 30, 3 mages.

http://poopspant.com/fresh/11.png
http://poopspant.com/fresh/12.png

Envious
08-10-2011, 03:33 AM
Wait, so you were 3 box'ing 3 mages?

O_o

Salty
08-10-2011, 03:39 AM
Wait, so you were 3 box'ing 3 mages?

O_o

Went from 3box to 1box, radical change that can't be accepted!

4 days of memming spells lost.

Envious
08-10-2011, 03:45 AM
Imo, not box'ing on a low pop temp server is kinda dumb.

Only thing that will survive with no box'ing and slow exp is going to be R99. Nothing else will be stable, have the pop, or be long term enough to survive that.

Salty
08-10-2011, 03:45 AM
Imo, not box'ing on a low pop temp server is kinda dumb.

Only thing that will survive with no box'ing and slow exp is going to be R99. Nothing else will be stable, have the pop, or be long term enough to survive that.

Project Zek 2.0 is pretty cool.

Been farming karg Icebear for 2 days >_< 2box style~

Aenor
08-10-2011, 03:47 AM
Got some real Einsteins on Red69. Doctor accused me of 2-boxing because Civz was auto following me and fell into water. First of all, bard speed doesn't work indoors. Second of all, on Red69, your last outdoor tick of bard speed doesn't even stay with you upon zone in.

Finally, it was pretty funny for Doctor to go into OOC calling for a congressional investigation of my two-boxing with my OOR bard. Go right ahead. Civz is Civoul from Aduentus... IP in France.

Civeal
08-10-2011, 04:51 AM
only cyber sex partner call me Civoul-DSK.

T_T

Uthgaard
08-10-2011, 08:04 AM
Devnoob banned me because I talked shit about his server in ooc and on the forums about no boxing being retarded.

Red69 is dead because of no box.

Staff on a power trip, not news. The same time I was banned from the forums is when I was banned in-game.


I'd like to see what kind of "proof" he has to backup any hacking claim.

Always a victim.

Koota
08-10-2011, 08:12 AM
This thread needs some Harrison rage in it.

Atmas
08-10-2011, 09:21 AM
I never used anything but the normal client on live. At some point while playing on EZ server I started using MQ just for the ease of getting around with multiple characters cause I was forced to box to progress at points. Never used anything like Show EQ.

I'm not really sure what you prove to anyone besides admitting you aren't skilled enough for the challenge if you play PvP with hax.

Aenor
08-10-2011, 09:45 AM
only cyber sex partner call me Civoul-DSK.

T_T

You outed me!

Nirgon
08-10-2011, 10:51 AM
There's one problem with your theory.

SoE doesn't want to stop the hackers. We do.

And I'm going to challenge that statement.

Sounds like claim to fame #2 for Rogean. I believe in you bro, just need something like Warden/something required to install before ppl can log in.

Salty
08-10-2011, 01:31 PM
Always a victim.

Always a mall cop.

juicedsixfo
08-10-2011, 01:46 PM
Devnoob banned me because I talked shit about his server in ooc and on the forums about no boxing being retarded.



http://i52.tinypic.com/n5n6ef.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/20t5qtc.jpg

wrong again you fuck

Crenshinabon
08-10-2011, 01:47 PM
You say no boxing killed the server, yet you ran around with 3 box mages ganking noobs non stop the short time boxing was allowed. Then you don't stop complaining once he changes this. I am glad this shit is gone from the server. Also you were using BS tactics to attack people across zones with mage pet and just in general are a griefing troll who harasses people in chat. Literally about one hour before you got banned you attacked my group in Oasis of Mar spectres (you were higher than level 30 for sure) sending your pet across the zone to attack us somehow, then once we finally had you targetted you would sit at the zoneline, zone, resummon pet, then send it again across the entire zone to find us. Good riddens to you sir. 1 Down.

Salty
08-10-2011, 01:49 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/n5n6ef.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/20t5qtc.jpg

wrong again you fuck

Weird, because I gave you 3 images a day for the 4 days I've played including all the places I leveled to get to 30 including the last image of talking shit to devnoob.


The last "encounter" I had with someone was pvp Runya at the zoneline so story not plausible.


You'd like to think big salty cheated in some way, but the reality is I leveled 3 mages in the areas as shown in the screenshots.

juicedsixfo
08-10-2011, 01:58 PM
Weird, because I gave you 3 images a day for the 4 days I've played including all the places I leveled to get to 30 including the last image of talking shit to devnoob.


While I support free speech, EQemu servers don't have to be democratic nor do they need to put up with fuckheads like you who cheat and bash the very server they're playing on. If it was mine I would have banned you right at the start for being out of line.

I was in Oasis when you were caught cheating. Keep singing your song, no one is listening.

Moonzi
08-10-2011, 01:59 PM
You outed me!

get over to blue99 with the rest of the vzers! :p

Salty
08-10-2011, 02:01 PM
While I support free speech, EQemu servers don't have to be democratic nor do they need to put up with fuckheads like you who cheat and bash the very server they're playing on. If it was mine I would banned you right at the start for being out of line.

I was in Oasis when you were caught cheating. Keep singing your song, no one is listening.

What exactly are you accusing me of because I know not of the cheats you think I pulled off running through a zone I didn't even XP in.


If it was mine I would banned you right at the start for being out of line...

While I support free speech...

You're the type of person that would ban someone the second they talked shit about you. Verification.

naez
08-10-2011, 02:03 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/n5n6ef.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/20t5qtc.jpg

wrong again you fuck

clearly cropped for MQ

Salty
08-10-2011, 02:03 PM
clearly cropped for MQ

Big salty releases his full screenshots, others hide MQ.

Salty
08-10-2011, 04:17 PM
~
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Aenor
08-11-2011, 05:04 AM
get over to blue99 with the rest of the vzers! :p

Yep might be time to bloob it up... Red69 no pop.

JayDee
08-11-2011, 09:10 AM
mq unload is hard

Harrison
08-11-2011, 09:15 AM
Sometimes I wonder why well-known MQ users even try to hide it. Salty is so fail.

fiegi
08-11-2011, 10:52 AM
mq unload is hard

was for dohiii

Moonzi
08-11-2011, 11:10 AM
Yep might be time to bloob it up... Red69 no pop.

Shoot Malev or Grumpkin a tell if you guys come over...see if we can help you at all...it's entertaining at least till a high pop server comes.

Salty
08-11-2011, 05:08 PM
mq unload is hard

Did you know if you load MQ, than zone, the second you /unload you will crash. If you log out to char select with MQ open and try to log back in you will crash.


It will happen every time. So MQ unload IS infact hard.


The more you know~

JayDee
08-11-2011, 06:16 PM
taking notes

http://www.cumcrogers.com/storage/image-library/children/studying-child.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265905292970

Jerin
08-11-2011, 09:42 PM
Big salty releases his full screenshots, others hide MQ.

Im not saying you cheat, i personally dont care.

However, MQ window can be hid/resized

Behind your chat window for example. Only in the fore
when you input whatever you need to input. Not having cropped SS means nothing.

again, im not saying you cheat

Salty
08-11-2011, 10:01 PM
If more people had an accessible version of STABLE emu code, more developers could work on putting a stop to users opening up MQ and figuring out if Trakanon is up.

When you have a server opening day 1 and spells don't even work correctly, stopping MQ is NEVER a priority.


There is no reason for Big Salty to EVER use a third party program unless I want to know if Trakanon is spawned.

I've never killed anyone with the help of MQ, some dude on Bandits tried to accuse me of "map hax" when I found him right infront of the Cent camp while I was camping Coloth Meadowgreen (a cent). Wolf accused me of "Map hax" finding him at NK bridge. Wolf accused me of instant camp when I /Qed from him during a mez and the <LD> tag was broken.


It doesn't bother me whatsoever being labeled, but know that MQ is usable on servers all over Emu because talented coders don't want to deal with the same retard fixes that make Emu unplayable regardless of server type.

How many times must resists be tweaked? How many times will Quillmane be implemented? How many times are you going to fix tradeskills?

Nilbog and Rogean did good work. But this is a open-source project, it always has been. P99 is here because of the open-source nature of the project. If contributions aren't made, you are going to deal with the same bullshit for the past 4-5 years.

Reality.

Bardalicious
08-11-2011, 11:33 PM
Wasn't Wolf that bluebie crusader that was bragging about killing some red folks on VZTZ Locked and Loaded?

Yeah, he hacked.

Macken
08-12-2011, 11:47 AM
you would know.

Bardalicious
08-12-2011, 12:01 PM
you would know.

I would, because there is proof. Where's yours?

naez
08-12-2011, 12:49 PM
MQ /unload only crashes you if you're using WinEQ because both are produced by the same parent company (LavishSoft), and both hack the similar megahurtz

Bardalicious
08-12-2011, 01:08 PM
MQ /unload only crashes you if you're using WinEQ because both are produced by the same parent company (LavishSoft), and both hack the similar megahurtz

i'll ack ur mega hurts

Macken
08-12-2011, 02:12 PM
Yes he will ack your hurtz.

but he always gets caught.


http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6600/eq000286.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/eq000286.png/)

Bardalicious
08-12-2011, 02:24 PM
cool pic bro

Macken
08-12-2011, 02:28 PM
thanks.

I would, because there is proof. Where's yours?


you asked for it.

juicedsixfo
08-12-2011, 04:16 PM
you asked for it.

How long before he posts a tinfoil hat theory about image and devnoob having it out for him, as opposed to him being caught cheating (which he was).

Bardalicious
08-12-2011, 04:25 PM
How long before he posts a tinfoil hat theory about image and devnoob having it out for him, as opposed to him being caught cheating (which he was).

Don't have to post any theory. Nice picture of pretty yellow text, keep clinging to it like it shows anything.

Macken
08-12-2011, 05:13 PM
How long before he posts a tinfoil hat theory about image and devnoob having it out for him, as opposed to him being caught cheating (which he was).

9 minutes according to time stamp.

Buhbuh
08-16-2011, 03:38 AM
To me, it seems like with the way in which Mage pets are overpowered on every emu except where they're modified (P99), boxing 3 mages and having MQ would serve as an excellent advantage. Considering you'd be able to target someone across a zone, assist on all 3 characters (all mages, the most OP pet class), and send all 3 pets to make some quick work of whoever, I'd say it's pretty damn beneficial. I'm not saying you did that, but there's plenty of benefits to having MQ loaded as a pet class in PvP.

Rogues can't even solo those pets. The 48 necro pet quads for 90 and lifetaps consistently for 105. In context of your chosen class, Salty, you'd have the most to gain in PvP via MQ. If only that alone were a reason for people being constantly on your ass about allegedly hacking, it's a pretty damn reasonable argument/ assertion. So to say you have nothing to gain other than tracking Trakanon, that's silly. You'd potentially have free KS's to gain.

An example of an easy kill would be each mage with a different elemental pet, one to root, one to stun, one to do DPS-- maybe even all 3 of the same. Either way, in the current conditions of pets in PvP, 3 pets vs. anyone is almost guaranteed death.

JayDee
08-16-2011, 03:46 AM
Rogues can't even solo those pets. The 48 necro pet quads for 90 and lifetaps consistently for 105.

lolololol

how long has it been since you played eq bro

naez
08-16-2011, 04:18 AM
targeting across zone, or out of line sight, is a great way to set off the stock hack detector

also you do more dps behind the pet, once a rogue has epic should literally 1 round if it doesn't have aego.

Buhbuh
08-16-2011, 03:27 PM
lolololol

how long has it been since you played eq bro

R69.

Buhbuh
08-16-2011, 03:38 PM
targeting across zone, or out of line sight, is a great way to set off the stock hack detector

also you do more dps behind the pet, once a rogue has epic should literally 1 round if it doesn't have aego.

On what PvP servers?

naez
08-16-2011, 04:48 PM
what PvP servers?

exactly

Buhbuh
08-16-2011, 05:19 PM
exactly

Touche`

Lazortag
08-16-2011, 07:40 PM
Wasn't Wolf that bluebie crusader that was bragging about killing some red folks on VZTZ Locked and Loaded?

Yeah, he hacked.

What exactly is your evidence that I hacked? This is the first time anyone has ever accused me of hacking. I also never "bragged" about killing anyone so much as used it to prove how easy pvp is on eqemu.

Kope
08-16-2011, 07:45 PM
I also never "bragged" about killing anyone so much as used it to prove how easy pvp is on eqemu.

Potato?

Tomato?

Lazortag
08-16-2011, 07:52 PM
Potato?

Tomato?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I only try to show how easy it is to succeed on a pvp server here because of the cocky red players who think they're better than everyone.

Harrison
08-16-2011, 07:52 PM
What exactly is your evidence that I hacked? This is the first time anyone has ever accused me of hacking. I also never "bragged" about killing anyone so much as used it to prove how easy pvp is on eqemu.

butthurt vztzjects can't handle it that a "bluebie" shit on them so thoroughly

Their tears will flood valleys when red99 hits and it becomes self-evident how fucking terrible they are in an environment they can't exploit.

Kope
08-16-2011, 07:54 PM
Just personally, but I don't really care if a blubie kills me, it's part of the game, get over it. Everyone will die unless you're hacking/zone plugging, and I won't do that.

I don't pvp for the lulz, I do it (like I've said many times before) for the practical reasons. If someone's camping what I want to camp, I want a chance to go kill them and take the camp from them. If I can hold the camp and kill those trying to take it from me, i deserve the camp.

JayDee
08-16-2011, 11:45 PM
I didn't know topping the leaderboards on some shitty gimmick server over players like salty made you the best @ pvp

congratulations

Knuckle
08-16-2011, 11:46 PM
in my 15 years as a basketball referee never have I seen anything like this it goes beyond what is fair and just.

eastadam55
08-17-2011, 01:13 AM
This what youre teachin your boys knuckle?

Titanuk
08-17-2011, 02:02 AM
red99 out yet?

Bardalicious
08-17-2011, 10:43 AM
What exactly is your evidence that I hacked? This is the first time anyone has ever accused me of hacking. I also never "bragged" about killing anyone so much as used it to prove how easy pvp is on eqemu.


Well, since you asked for it:


11783 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (3415.08, 1882.76, 478.54) to Tarnamil000 (1665.00, 577.00, 191.37) kithicor 2011-07-26 22:57:39
11784 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (3463.31, 1882.17, 486.98) to enraged_dread_wolf003 (1611.70, 678.59, 186.74) kithicor 2011-07-26 22:57:39
11789 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (1369.21, 1285.54, 155.58) to decaying_commander006 (1805.70, 1478.90, 213.49) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:02:45
11790 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (1240.51, 1210.88, 139.31) to decaying_commander006 (1656.82, 1413.29, 193.97) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:02:51
527 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 105625.00 units, from (-452.51, 512.88, -0.40) to a_large_bat013 (-142.00, 197.00, 24.46) gfaydark 2011-07-11 16:29:36
11791 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (1224.69, 1176.30, 137.01) to decaying_commander006 (1555.86, 1359.85, 180.72) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:02:55
11793 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (3185.56, 1685.24, 378.39) to Giz_X`Tin000 (2780.60, 1811.87, 383.80) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:04:48
6941 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (111.40, -2989.74, -0.34) to an_elephant_calf005 (-1361.00, -2769.64, -2.78) southkarana 2011-07-21 13:39:27
6946 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (468.53, -6680.31, -0.34) to a_bull_elephant001 (-938.40, -6881.63, 1.02) southkarana 2011-07-21 13:48:51
7463 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 10000.00 units, from (-440.86, -707.08, 57.41) to Solusek_goblin002 (-387.00, -797.00, 57.73) soldunga 2011-07-21 23:38:47
6964 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (1049.16, 1661.69, 49.40) to a_shadow_wolf003 (2064.00, -2190.88, 9.05) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:47:14
6965 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (1049.16, 1661.69, 49.40) to a_Tesch_Mas_Gnoll002 (1815.20, -2539.73, 19.73) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:47:15
9525 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (-916.41, 1341.79, -47.07) to decaying_commander001 (-788.10, 1090.21, -44.75) kithicor 2011-07-23 21:50:02
6968 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2399.12, 146.33, -0.34) to an_elephant_calf007 (-2098.57, 1829.61, 51.20) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:49:52
6969 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2650.86, -44.80, -0.34) to Brother_Hayle001 (-1511.18, 2221.51, 27.13) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:51:09
1599 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 105625.00 units, from (-1212.10, -164.20, -1.59) to Old_Dimshimmer001 (-433.00, 78.00, -6.65) lfaydark 2011-07-13 19:03:38
5698 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2303.39, -3438.38, 13.97) to centaur_sheltie000 (-1402.00, -1125.88, -2.78) southkarana 2011-07-20 00:30:50
8261 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 19600.00 units, from (-445.97, 1051.15, -137.92) to a_vis_ghoul_knight000 (-604.00, 1026.00, -136.90) gukbottom 2011-07-22 18:35:46
7239 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 250000.00 units, from (110.75, 959.55, 14.11) to Dragoon_X`Lottl000 (59.59, -692.80, -5.53) nektulos 2011-07-21 19:45:17
7509 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (707.86, 403.49, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (250.25, 195.97, -24.54) freportw 2011-07-22 00:15:26
11349 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 40000.00 units, from (2817.47, -2272.16, 3.44) to Cyndreela000 (2604.00, -2370.00, 22.23) feerrott 2011-07-26 07:42:24
7516 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (141.57, -7.77, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (-357.92, -44.32, -23.06) freportw 2011-07-22 00:21:06
7517 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (141.57, -7.77, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (-357.92, -44.32, -23.06) freportw 2011-07-22 00:21:08
11357 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (1865.06, 1447.58, 17.92) to Hasten_Bootstrutter000 (2105.74, -522.15, 17.73) rathemtn 2011-07-26 07:48:16
5214 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2245.71, 3328.39, 43.64) to a_crag_spider000 (-1842.27, 1908.75, 12.05) eastkarana 2011-07-19 14:38:13
7518 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (141.57, -7.77, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (-357.92, -44.32, -23.06) freportw 2011-07-22 00:21:11
10846 ###### Wolf /MQWarp with location -693.64, -1278.23, -52.53 freporte 2011-07-25 14:21:00


That's only about a third of the log.

Bardalicious
08-17-2011, 10:46 AM
butthurt vztzjects can't handle it that a "bluebie" shit on them so thoroughly

Their tears will flood valleys when red99 hits and it becomes self-evident how fucking terrible they are in an environment they can't exploit.

See: post above.

Red, blue, yellow, green - these are just labels. It doesn't change that players from all sides are using hacks. Your anti-PVP crusade is tiresome to read pal. I know you can't possibly be so naive to think that hacking isn't nearly as pervasive on a blue server. Just because they aren't warping doesn't mean it isn't happening.

So what is it then? Some broken-record troll attempt? Because if you're going to get behind someone like geegoo as your bluebie savior and slayer of red, you might want to first know who the fuck you're supporting.

Lazortag
08-17-2011, 11:50 AM
Well, since you asked for it:


11783 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (3415.08, 1882.76, 478.54) to Tarnamil000 (1665.00, 577.00, 191.37) kithicor 2011-07-26 22:57:39
11784 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (3463.31, 1882.17, 486.98) to enraged_dread_wolf003 (1611.70, 678.59, 186.74) kithicor 2011-07-26 22:57:39
11789 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (1369.21, 1285.54, 155.58) to decaying_commander006 (1805.70, 1478.90, 213.49) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:02:45
11790 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (1240.51, 1210.88, 139.31) to decaying_commander006 (1656.82, 1413.29, 193.97) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:02:51
527 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 105625.00 units, from (-452.51, 512.88, -0.40) to a_large_bat013 (-142.00, 197.00, 24.46) gfaydark 2011-07-11 16:29:36
11791 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (1224.69, 1176.30, 137.01) to decaying_commander006 (1555.86, 1359.85, 180.72) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:02:55
11793 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (3185.56, 1685.24, 378.39) to Giz_X`Tin000 (2780.60, 1811.87, 383.80) kithicor 2011-07-26 23:04:48
6941 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (111.40, -2989.74, -0.34) to an_elephant_calf005 (-1361.00, -2769.64, -2.78) southkarana 2011-07-21 13:39:27
6946 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (468.53, -6680.31, -0.34) to a_bull_elephant001 (-938.40, -6881.63, 1.02) southkarana 2011-07-21 13:48:51
7463 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 10000.00 units, from (-440.86, -707.08, 57.41) to Solusek_goblin002 (-387.00, -797.00, 57.73) soldunga 2011-07-21 23:38:47
6964 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (1049.16, 1661.69, 49.40) to a_shadow_wolf003 (2064.00, -2190.88, 9.05) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:47:14
6965 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (1049.16, 1661.69, 49.40) to a_Tesch_Mas_Gnoll002 (1815.20, -2539.73, 19.73) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:47:15
9525 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 62500.00 units, from (-916.41, 1341.79, -47.07) to decaying_commander001 (-788.10, 1090.21, -44.75) kithicor 2011-07-23 21:50:02
6968 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2399.12, 146.33, -0.34) to an_elephant_calf007 (-2098.57, 1829.61, 51.20) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:49:52
6969 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2650.86, -44.80, -0.34) to Brother_Hayle001 (-1511.18, 2221.51, 27.13) southkarana 2011-07-21 14:51:09
1599 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 105625.00 units, from (-1212.10, -164.20, -1.59) to Old_Dimshimmer001 (-433.00, 78.00, -6.65) lfaydark 2011-07-13 19:03:38
5698 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2303.39, -3438.38, 13.97) to centaur_sheltie000 (-1402.00, -1125.88, -2.78) southkarana 2011-07-20 00:30:50
8261 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 19600.00 units, from (-445.97, 1051.15, -137.92) to a_vis_ghoul_knight000 (-604.00, 1026.00, -136.90) gukbottom 2011-07-22 18:35:46
7239 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 250000.00 units, from (110.75, 959.55, 14.11) to Dragoon_X`Lottl000 (59.59, -692.80, -5.53) nektulos 2011-07-21 19:45:17
7509 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (707.86, 403.49, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (250.25, 195.97, -24.54) freportw 2011-07-22 00:15:26
11349 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 40000.00 units, from (2817.47, -2272.16, 3.44) to Cyndreela000 (2604.00, -2370.00, 22.23) feerrott 2011-07-26 07:42:24
7516 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (141.57, -7.77, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (-357.92, -44.32, -23.06) freportw 2011-07-22 00:21:06
7517 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (141.57, -7.77, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (-357.92, -44.32, -23.06) freportw 2011-07-22 00:21:08
11357 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (1865.06, 1447.58, 17.92) to Hasten_Bootstrutter000 (2105.74, -522.15, 17.73) rathemtn 2011-07-26 07:48:16
5214 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 1960000.00 units, from (-2245.71, 3328.39, 43.64) to a_crag_spider000 (-1842.27, 1908.75, 12.05) eastkarana 2011-07-19 14:38:13
7518 ###### Wolf Wolf attempting to target something beyond the clip plane of 202500.00 units, from (141.57, -7.77, -24.56) to Bello_Fruegnos000 (-357.92, -44.32, -23.06) freportw 2011-07-22 00:21:11
10846 ###### Wolf /MQWarp with location -693.64, -1278.23, -52.53 freporte 2011-07-25 14:21:00


That's only about a third of the log.

I have no idea what half this shit means but I'm going to try defending myself anyway. I do know that Freakyuno said these logs provide a lot of false positives. I have absolutely never hacked and I'm willing to bet there are logs that claim every single player who played a significant amount of time hacked.

Also, targeting someone beyond the clip plane is only evidence of hacking if you're a complete dipshit or you haven't played the game for more than two seconds. Are you aware of the bug where when you zone in you often see a "ghost" of an NPC/PC in the zone? This is a bug on every eqemu server including p99. Of course when I zone in and see someone from another guild I'm going to click on them, if they happen to not actually be there, that doesn't mean I hacked.

I have no idea why the server thought I warped, in east freeport of all places where there aren't any teleporters of any kind, but I absolutely did not do it. You honestly think if I had MQ/Showeq that I would have never used it in an actual pvp encounter?

To sum up: you don't have any "proof", you just looked at logs for one player and ignorantly assumed it meant anything. I've never even so much as had MQ or Showeq installed on my computer. If I did don't you think I would have been caught for it on p99 by now?

edit: I also have full screenshots from some of my kills which should prove I never had any other programs running.

Harrison
08-17-2011, 12:17 PM
That log proves nothing, and I bet you could find similar logs of dozens of people who aren't using MQ to target outside of the possible range.

It's like the "large warp detected" on p99. It doesn't mean you're warping.

Bardalicious
08-17-2011, 12:25 PM
I do know that Freakyuno said these logs provide a lot of false positives.

While it is true that there are false positives in the log files, they are usually diminished by sheer number of incidents alone.

I have absolutely never hacked and I'm willing to bet there are logs that claim every single player who played a significant amount of time hacked.

Quite certainly your odds of tripping the stock detection methods increases concurrently with your play time to a degree, however it certainly does not occur as often as the case of someone like yourself, as the logs show.

Also, targeting someone beyond the clip plane is only evidence of hacking if you're a complete dipshit or you haven't played the game for more than two seconds. Are you aware of the bug where when you zone in you often see a "ghost" of an NPC/PC in the zone?

Oh, I'm quite aware of this bug and took it into consideration before posting the log. It's pretty easy to quash that theory when the logs dictate this was happening multiple times in the same zone, with multiple minutes between the incidents. Pretty unlikely that you had zoned out and zoned back in between them and saw a new ghost to click on each time.

I have no idea why the server thought I warped, in east freeport of all places where there aren't any teleporters of any kind, but I absolutely did not do it.

That was actually the wrong log entry. I will admit the fact that warp detection was likely being set off by the OOT translocator in EFP, however there was another incident in feerrott where this would not be an explanation.

You honestly think if I had MQ/Showeq that I would have never used it in an actual pvp encounter?

Or perhaps you are as incompetent as the rest of the MQ2 kiddies that think they will be able to slip under the radar due to lack of knowledge of the detection methods implemented?

To sum up: you don't have any "proof", you just looked at logs for one player and ignorantly assumed it meant anything.

A valiant attempt to defend yourself, however I remain unconvinced. While the detection system is not perfect, it's easily decipherable when you have such a large sample to analyze as is your case.

Like I said, ghosted mobs at zone in is the obvious exception for exceeding the targeting threshold, but looking at things such as the frequency of the occurrence, the times and repetition to signify that you were remaining in the same zone during those incidents, and even the NPCs in which you were targeting are pretty evident to state that this was much more than simply clicking on npcs that were ghosted on zoning in. I'm also willing to bet that if you traced back to the locations of the entries, the location it marked you as having targeted from would likely not be a zone line.

edit: I also have full screenshots from some of my kills which should prove I never had any other programs running.

That is proof of nothing. A screenshot does not show what happened prior to you taking it, does it?

Bardalicious
08-17-2011, 12:28 PM
It's like the "large warp detected" on p99. It doesn't mean you're warping.

The "large warp detected" bug sets off warping detection, something entirely different than what is shown here. Keep white knighting your fellow bluebie hackers bro.

Mardur
08-17-2011, 01:18 PM
My main was permanently banned from P99 for one MQWarp the day before christmas during a blizzard and terrible lag. If I was guilty, then this wolf dude is obviously guilty as well.

I was presented with similar logs, and the targetting outside of clipline ALL occurred in Kedge (lol).

Lazortag
08-17-2011, 02:06 PM
Bardalicious: you are completely, utterly, full of shit.

While it is true that there are false positives in the log files, they are usually diminished by sheer number of incidents alone.


So release the logs for everyone then. Including yourself.

Oh, I'm quite aware of this bug and took it into consideration before posting the log. It's pretty easy to quash that theory when the logs dictate this was happening multiple times in the same zone, with multiple minutes between the incidents. Pretty unlikely that you had zoned out and zoned back in between them and saw a new ghost to click on each time.

There are other ways to target things across the zone (like bind sight). I don't know if this would have set it off but I also often toggle back and forth between previous targets, some of which would normally be out of range. I've asked freakyuno if this would set off the mechanism which detects targeting out of range but I haven't gotten a response yet.

That was actually the wrong log entry. I will admit the fact that warp detection was likely being set off by the OOT translocator in EFP, however there was another incident in feerrott where this would not be an explanation.


So the logs show me warping twice in 30+ hours of playtime on that server, once was "the wrong log entry" (???) and the other time was in feerrott. Couldn't this be accounted for by lag or just an error in the warp detection? Do these logs show where I supposedly warped from/to?

Or perhaps you are as incompetent as the rest of the MQ2 kiddies that think they will be able to slip under the radar due to lack of knowledge of the detection methods implemented?

Fair enough - but realize that when freakyuno posted about the logs I asked him to name and shame all the people who hacked. If I actually hacked do you think I would have asked him that?

A valiant attempt to defend yourself, however I remain unconvinced. While the detection system is not perfect, it's easily decipherable when you have such a large sample to analyze as is your case.


A large sample size is only relevant when you post everyone's logs, and when you can compare with someone who you know for a fact did not hack. Your methodology is stupid. Please come back with better evidence.

Like I said, ghosted mobs at zone in is the obvious exception for exceeding the targeting threshold, but looking at things such as the frequency of the occurrence, the times and repetition to signify that you were remaining in the same zone during those incidents, and even the NPCs in which you were targeting are pretty evident to state that this was much more than simply clicking on npcs that were ghosted on zoning in.

This takes stupidity to the level of an art form; if you look at the logs almost none of the mobs I targeted are at all important. It just doesn't add up; why would I use hacks just to target Old Dimshimmer (lol?) from across lesser faydark?

I'm also willing to bet that if you traced back to the locations of the entries, the location it marked you as having targeted from would likely not be a zone line

If you have evidence of this, by all means post it.

Bardalicious, if it makes you drop this and admit you have no proof I'll gladly cooperate with you to see what can set off false positives in the detection system.

Harrison
08-17-2011, 02:13 PM
The "large warp detected" bug sets off warping detection, something entirely different than what is shown here. Keep white knighting your fellow bluebie hackers bro.

I despise hackers wherever they're from.

If I believed him to be cheating I'd hate him as much as anyone else.

I just don't believe that to be the case.

You guys are just that bad. You need to justify losing to a bluebie, and will do so at any cost. Lolsobad

Knuckle
08-17-2011, 02:47 PM
Knuckle proven pvp legend via youtube videos showing no hax. clean whistle award awarded

freakyuno
08-17-2011, 03:22 PM
There are many valid scenarios where the stock hack detection throws the /target report, or the /mqwarp report, I've tested this extensivly on my server, to get better at catching hackers. The big entry to look for is the /mqzone entry, which is almost never caused by valid circumstances.

Things that can cause the /target entry in the logs.
1.) Mobs are showing up further than the clip plane (most common, it's an emu problem)
2.) Target cycle targets a mob outside the clip plane (happens quite a bit)
3.) Assisting a group member to obtain a target or a pet
4.) Glimpse
5.) Eye of Zomm and bind sight
6.) Maintaining a target, and running out of the clip range, then doing anything that utilizes a target check.

Things that can cause the mqwarp entry
1.) Translocators
2.) Summons of mobs
3.) Dying and / or going unconcious and regaining conciousness
4.) Shadowstep
5.) Client / Server sync / lag issues
6.) Bard songs
7.) Shape shifting spells

There's a few others in both scenario. Now...take into account here, that the same entries show up for actual hackers / mq'ers. So there is no distinction. Simply proving that these can happen under other scenarios does NOT prove that just because there's a log entry means they weren't hacking.

The only true measure of someone hacking, is to observe them. I know P99, and many other servers take that stance. Step 1: Suspect, Step 2: Observe, Step 3: Action. Thats the same stance I take with my server. Nothing is done by the logs alone.

I dont know whether or not Wolf was hacking, I do know that the logs are far from conclusive though.

Lazortag
08-17-2011, 03:24 PM
I despise hackers wherever they're from.

If I believed him to be cheating I'd hate him as much as anyone else.

I just don't believe that to be the case.

You guys are just that bad. You need to justify losing to a bluebie, and will do so at any cost. Lolsobad

Thanks for coming to my defense; to my knowledge Bardalicious was "Taint" on vztz meaning that I never had any encounter with him, but I could be wrong. I don't think he's making these accusations because he has anything personally against me, but again, I could be mistaken. I think he's making these accusations because he got access to the vztz database, decided to look up well-known players using the (extremely flawed) cheat detection system, and using a very small sample size and next to no evidence concluded that I must have used hacks.

I can see why he looked me up; I talked a lot in ooc and trash talked the red crowd a fair bit and so I was a fairly prominent player. I don't think Bardalicious is getting revenge for anything so much as he's just ignorant of how the hack detection mechanisms work. But it doesn't make sense to accuse me of all people of hacks, especially on vztz. First of all, I barely had any success on vztz - I bragged a lot about killing idiots from Great White Buffalo but everyone did that. I got maybe 10 unique yellow texts in my favor and way more that I was on the receiving end of. I'm not afraid of losing my "street cred" by admitting this because I never had any; anyone who played on that server knows my only kills were against complete scrubs and that I tried to stay the hell away from any good players. I only did well on the more recent Red69 server where I impersonated knuckle and stayed at the top of the leaderboards by farming noobs in crushbone. No, I'm not bragging, anyone could have done that. I'm just trying to establish that I did not do nearly well enough on vztz to warrant suspecting me of hacks. There was absolutely no suspicious behaviour on my end; I was never even accused of cheating (at least publicly) and so it came as a complete surprise to me that Bardalicious claimed to have "proof" that I cheated. He still never presented any proof, just his own analysis of the logs from a hack detection system known to produce lots of false positives.

I know I seem overly invested in this and maybe it's kind of sad, but I swear I didn't cheat on vztz, nor have I never cheated on any other server, nor even had any cheats installed on my computer at any time. I don't know how I can convince you of this, the best I can do is show the limitations of the detection system and posit some reasons why it would have flagged me as having cheated.

edit: I posted this before reading freakyuno's post, but thank you for clearing things up.

nalkin
08-17-2011, 04:11 PM
Any claims about geegoo hacking is just lolz. Do you guys realize how serious geegoo takes this game... this is literally one of the only positive things in his life and he would not do anything to jeopardize it. If you don't believe me look at (1) the above post and (2) Bug forums, where he generates a staggering 80% of the posts about trivial superficial bugs that don't affect gameplay.

Titanuk
08-18-2011, 08:12 PM
red99 out yet?

Smedy
08-19-2011, 07:56 PM
Lazortag caught targeting shit out of the clients view range, good old Prime <Faggots> anti hax contrib 2 eqemu sause back in the day

My fellow white knight prime still catching scum i see

SearyxTZ
08-19-2011, 08:05 PM
hi smedy

Smedy
08-19-2011, 08:15 PM
hey sexy

Salty
08-20-2011, 03:17 PM
I miss you smedy

hagard
08-20-2011, 03:37 PM
red99 out yet?

hey dustin

Tonomar
08-20-2011, 03:41 PM
hey dustin

Oh shit, droppin first names.

hagard
08-20-2011, 03:46 PM
bff