Why so much shit talking on this forums?

[luckynclover]

From what i always percived eq players were the mature friendly helpful community. Yet all you see on these forums is people talking shit,trolling,putting people down, epeening, ragging on others guilds, ect ect ect. Thought eq players were better than wow players?

I am seeing the direct opposite on here. You guys are actually worse than the wow commuity, least from the forums pov. Obviously not everyone is like that but the far majority is. If you are those people, why do you act like this on the forums? If you are not one of those why do you think they do it and does it bother you can downgrade your joy for playing on this server?

My personal opinion, i find it horrible and when i come to the boards to try to find info i get a sense of man...these guys are elitist douchebags why would i want to play with any of them?

your 2cp?

[JenJen]

probably because most of the elitists on p99 were never top players originally, and now, having achieved their status after ten years of bitterness, cannot help themselves rub it in others faces? that or they went to wow and came back with shitty attitudes. thats about it.
by the way this thread will be moved to rants and flames within 24 hours.

[Messianic]

1) Most of the junk you're talking about is contained in R&F/NSFW. Inadvertently, sometimes that stuff spills over to the server chat forum for a little while, but usually gets sent back.
2) In-game, things are quite different.

[Georgeharrison]

I just try to ignore all the negativity. I log in, spend time with my amazing guild, and log off. The forums aren't quite as enjoyable due to all the flaming, but it's still something to read while at work. :)

[Vohl]

There are only a handful of very vocal agitators here. If what you read bugs you too much, you can view the profile of an offensive poster and ignore them.

[nymphloa]

From what i always percived eq players were the mature friendly helpful community. Yet all you see on these forums is people talking shit,trolling,putting people down, epeening, ragging on others guilds, ect ect ect. Thought eq players were better than wow players?

I am seeing the direct opposite on here. You guys are actually worse than the wow commuity, least from the forums pov. Obviously not everyone is like that but the far majority is. If you are those people, why do you act like this on the forums? If you are not one of those why do you think they do it and does it bother you can downgrade your joy for playing on this server?

My personal opinion, i find it horrible and when i come to the boards to try to find info i get a sense of man...these guys are elitist douchebags why would i want to play with any of them?

your 2cp?

I was considering making a thread here myself entitled....! (drum roll)

Why is this thread entitled Why so much shit talking on this forums? on this forum?

Got to love Trolling about Trolls...Du HUH..

Peace.

[nilbog]

From what i always percived eq players were the mature friendly helpful community. Yet all you see on these forums is people talking shit,trolling,putting people down, epeening, ragging on others guilds, ect ect ect.

That's the way classic eq always was, though. You should NOT judge the many by the few. Forum posters are not the majority of players.

Thought eq players were better than wow players?

Better in what way ? I believe on average, people who played classic EQ are better gamers than wow-only players. If you're talking about drivel, I saw more in WoW.

I am seeing the direct opposite on here. You guys are actually worse than the wow commuity, least from the forums pov.

You mean the Blizzard-maintained forums which recently were going to link real life information to a poster's identity? :P This is a private forum with moderation.

Obviously not everyone is like that but the far majority is.

Looking at the numbers, you are incorrect.

If you are those people, why do you act like this on the forums? If you are not one of those why do you think they do it and does it bother you can downgrade your joy for playing on this server?

My basis for playing a game is never derived nor influenced by its forums.

My personal opinion, i find it horrible and when i come to the boards to try to find info i get a sense of man...these guys are elitist douchebags why would i want to play with any of them?

I wouldn't search any internet forum expecting to find sense. :D

my 2¢

[Doktoor]

From what i always percived eq players were the mature friendly helpful community. Yet all you see on these forums is people talking shit,trolling,putting people down, epeening, ragging on others guilds, ect ect ect. Thought eq players were better than wow players?


your 2cp?

Keep in mind that only a small % of the people who play this game visit the forums. And of that small %, only a few post actively. Of that smaller number, not everyone here trolls/epeens.

[luckynclover]

so far ive nothing but good experiances with they community in game and im grateful that people have put so much hard work and dedication to makiing this server happen, i guess that i just wish that the forums reflected what the actually majority of the in game community is like.

A couple times ive talked to people about project 1999 sent them here to the forums only for them to go umm no thanks. Mostly these are people from other games that are older and are tired of the horribleness of the way their particular gaming community acts, only hoping to find better.

Basicly this forum is often times the first impression prospective new incommers are going to get of the community..are we happy with the way they will percieve it?

[Molitoth]

Once you hit the raid scene, you will realize why this forum is filled with the drama it is.

[Messianic]

Basicly this forum is often times the first impression prospective new incommers are going to get of the community..are we happy with the way they will percieve it?

Do we have the power to change things?

If people have a "forum" - a place for conversation - they're going to fill that with all the garbage and refuse they have bottled up inside them. R&F is specifically a separate section of these forums to act as a sewer to catch all the poo those drama monkeys are flinging.

As someone with a massive post count and has spent a majority of his time in Server Chat, I can tell you that Server Chat is 85% helpful, encouraging, and reflective of the awesome community that exists in game. That's a heck of an accomplishment for any game's forums.


Do you have any suggestions? My bet is that they're things that have been tried and failed. You can't control what people choose to do - you can only guide their incentives and encourage them to do things the way you want. Moderation helps, but that only acts as a diverter valve - to get the crap where it should go.

[xshayla701]

Don't let idiots on the forum keep you from talking to the (mostly!) nice people in game :)

[luckynclover]

Oh i fully know that the only way to change this is each and every person police the way themselves act on the forums and there is always going to be the people that just dont care. Hopefully by bringing this up maybe some of these people will think to themselves that maybe they should change how they conduct themselves in this only public venue that we have.

[Goraxx]

You are only see a small proportion representation of the server here on the forums. Most people I run into in game are nice.

[JenJen]

gor you are playing again?!?!

[Goraxx]

I am indeed. Log in and come group with me bro.

[Ennoia]

probably because most of the elitists on p99 were never top players originally

[Alex]

How much of a pussy do you have to be to let the minority of trolls in an mmo drive you away...

[luckynclover]

How much of a pussy do you have to be to let the minority of trolls in an mmo drive you away...

^perfect example of what im talking about right there.

[Dantes]

The rants and flames didn't bother me as a newcomer. That's classic EverQuest right there. That's any website with a discussion forum, EVER. If they can't handle it, they lack the very basic in communication skills necessary to live a fulfilling and happy life. I suppose they enjoy crying themselves to sleep every night because they are so "offended" all the time.

[Hagglebaron]

^perfect example of what im talking about right there.

Pretty much any mmo requires some degree of thick skin. Maybe they just aren't your thing

As well, if you had done any real research into these forums you would see the volatile trolls are in the minority

[luckynclover]

my example was to illistrate how no matter what there are people on here that they just have to post talking shit..they cant post and have a civil conversation they have to come right out with a flame.

[Bardalicious]

^perfect example of what im talking about right there.

A harsh retort, but it somewhat rings true. Why would you allow the social going-on's of a forum drive you from the actual gameplay and community inside it? Almost every forum has trolling of some sort, it's an inevitability on the internet when someone feels they can be boisterous and have no repercussions from it.

If you do play the game you'd be hard pressed to make the argument that the social aspect inside it in any way compares to the nonsense that goes on here on the forums. The actual community inside P99 is comparable if not far more decent than the community I remember from live.

[Barkingturtle]

At least a few of the people who post here have jobs, and are thus forced to post from work. It makes them miserable, because that's what work is supposed to do. If it ever gets you down, feel free to PM me and we can hold hands or just talk about your day. Whatever.

[Vermicelli]

/dance me for clarity and augmentation =)

[Marglar]

a lot of the $hit talkers are on this forum for reading entertainment. what's entertaining about being nice? they troll and get reactions out of people - much more entertaining.

not that I do it myself, just sayin, that's how 99% of netterweb forums operate.

[abedog]

finally some real insight into the mentality of the e-troll well done Marglar, now we just have to catch of a few of them in the wilds and have them seriously studied there is much to learn! :D

[bakkily]

usally women are nice, but when its a bunch of us dudes, most are assholes, for one, we only have enough blood in our system to think with one head at a time, yea flame me if you want for saying that

but in our world is a dog eat dog scenario, as uthgaard puts it, adapt or die is here, well i just find that saying true with end content mostly, or raid mobs ect, figure shit happens everywhere, just try to make it not smell to bad or it will be noticed every where, but i like to be nice though, but even being too nice, asking 20 some odd questions every where does annoy some people

and thats what i try to do, i try to not annoy as many people out there, i'd be playing right now but just been busy with other stuff and starcraft 2 is sucking away at my game time, and work

but anways to anyone playing this game, just enjoy your self, usally its the ones pissed at life or play too much that makes it worse for everyone else

but as the old eq saying, Your in our world now---just try to remember theres still reality out there, dont get lost in pixels too much

[Vermicelli]

but anways to anyone playing this game, just enjoy your self, usally its the ones pissed at life or play too much that makes it worse for everyone else

QFT

[Mcbard]

WTB an "opt-in" option to Rants and Flames so new people aren't scared away!

[TR Spokesman]

I wonder if the OP has ever been into the real world.

Have you ever seen countless people in an office all having to work together? I am 100% sure they all don't get along and hold hands while giggling about skittles and unicorns.


If your friends are getting turned away because of R&F, then i assume they don't leave the house very often.

[Slave]

"The internet is a communications tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another."

Welcome to the internet.

[Fourthmeal]

haters gonna hate

[Safon]

From what i always percived eq players were the mature friendly helpful community. Yet all you see on these forums is people talking shit,trolling,putting people down, epeening, ragging on others guilds, ect ect ect. Thought eq players were better than wow players?

I am seeing the direct opposite on here. You guys are actually worse than the wow commuity, least from the forums pov. Obviously not everyone is like that but the far majority is. If you are those people, why do you act like this on the forums? If you are not one of those why do you think they do it and does it bother you can downgrade your joy for playing on this server?

My personal opinion, i find it horrible and when i come to the boards to try to find info i get a sense of man...these guys are elitist douchebags why would i want to play with any of them?

your 2cp?

Grow a pair or go back to whatever carebear environment you pranced out from

[bakkily]

hell, i dont think fourthmeal can ever bring any useful information to the table then ramble about tacos, and shit beans, or make more of a effort to type a

sentence longer then 3-4 words at a time, though i have often seen a semi-

paragraph from him, though i partly share with the common-wealth of ideas hippies have shared in this world to bring peace, but more often with thc on the brain, not all, share only a few words, that dont bring a vastness of

understanding, im not really intending to shit on you FM, but c'mon, all you do is post tidbits to get your post count up, though i am glad that you progressed a

bit away from how awesome you think taco bell is, at least taco bell still is better food then mcdonalds

[Messianic]

WTB an "opt-in" option to Rants and Flames so new people aren't scared away!

This.

Also, this thread should probably be moved to R&F now....

[bakkily]

though i am finally logging in to go lfg for a few hours

[mwatt]

The OP's post raises an interesting assertion. I believe there is some degree of validity in it. I agree that the forums are harsher than one would expect for people who cut their teeth on the original EQ in the classic time era.

The question is asked is, "Why?". I'll give my opinion on that too, since the OP invited me to do so. I think it is a combination of these factors:

1) Internet Tough-guy Syndrome. As people have grown used to the internet over the years, and grown used to posting on forums, they have seen and discovered that one can make outrageously offensive statements in this medium with little or no fear of reprisal. Some of the stuff said here would warrant an instant punch in the mouth in the real world, but that is not possible here, so there ya go - there is no fear of reprisal. Now in game, there is also no punch in the mouth, but there is reputation and that can get around, so perhaps that keeps the lid on some of the crap in-game, making the boards a little harsher in comparison.

2) The Original EQ crowd has grown older and thus, (mostly) have matured. As one grows older, one realizes that youth tends to have a built-in degree of brashness associated with it. Only aging will cure it (for some people anyway - the rest are just punks or asshats). There are now a fair percentage of people playing that never did play the original EQ and a lot of them are younger in comparison to the now older original players. Their comments, on the average, tend to be more brash.

3) There some to be a number of would be PVPers hanging around the game and the forum. This number is probably escalated because a PVP server may be created at some point - by the same wonderful people that created/create P99. PVPers tend - again, on average - to be a bit more in your face, a bit more insensitve, than the average mud->fantasy MMORPG player. I would argue that the playerbase of the original EQ in the classic era was represented more by the fantasy PVE lover than the PVP lover.

Is it sad? It is kinda sad, I think. However, it certainly doesn't bother those that like to throw out phrases like "grow a pair", "carebear/bluebie" or "QQ a little more". I think those people actually LIKE the conflict. Perhaps it is a bit of a PVP fix for them. Not my cup of tea, but no real way to avoid it happening, unless you keep your posts so innocous as to be almost pointless, or if they are completely informational.

[Vermicelli]

Is it sad? It is kinda sad, I think. However, it certainly doesn't bother those that like to throw out phrases like "grow a pair", "carebear/bluebie" or "QQ a little more". I think those people actually LIKE the conflict. Perhaps it is a bit of a PVP fix for them.

This is a really interesting idea which I have agreed with for a while. Trollin is definitely a form of entertainment for some people, and the relative anonymity the internet provides is the perfect cover behind which to be a relative badguy. Keep that stuff on 4chan imo, it only serves to junk up any other sort of community!

[Grahm]

though i am finally logging in to go lfg for a few hours

LOL i love how you say that shit about fourthmeal and then you post this. Hypocrite loser.

Also to OP....Keep in mind that there are tons of trolls who ruin (but IMO make this forum interesting) this forum to newcomers that don't even play on this server. And also the opposite, many many players on this server don't post/read on this forum.

[Stormhowl]

I'm about to go on a semi-offtopic tangent here...

People can say "It's a totally different story in game! The forums aren't a reflection of the community!" but I mean, how many of these people interact with the "public" community on a regular basis?

I'm unguilded. I'm always jumping around on alts. I'm trying new things, like races and classes I didn't play during Live. Often times, I have questions for things I don't know, or have forgotten in the ridiculously long span of time between when Kunark / Velious was relevant and now.

As a general observation between how I see people react to others in /ooc and /shout, and how I see people react to myself in the same channels, there's a great deal of sarcastic, caustic, and unhelpful remarks being thrown around to genuinely innocent questions or comments. I can't even ride on a boat (Freeport -> Butcherblock) without seeing drama fill up my page.

In general, I would argue that yes there are some remnants of "classic" behaviour, of people who take the time to coach and help others, or to donate old gear they no longer use instead of using it to further inflate the economy. But they're just that: remnants. I won't say that the unruly behaviour of a vocal majority of forum goers is to blame (I haven't any proof to back it up), but I will say that in general, the attitudes and snarkiness of the forums IS reflective of how people act towards complete strangers.

At best, you're better off finding a nice big guild and turning off public chat channels, and never asking for help. Otherwise you have to deal with an unnecessary amount of douchebaggery.

Ontopic: The reason there's so many problems? Moderators are not online 24/7 to catch every act of idiocy people commit (Which they obviously would not be. They have their own lives to tend to), and I blame the RnF section because it exists, because it acts as a place for people to be unruly for no reason and that behaviour spills out every where else.

[bakkily]

LOL i love how you say that shit about fourthmeal and then you post this. Hypocrite loser.




yea what ever dude, anyways it all depends, those who shit talk mostly have a defensive thing about them up, so in defense they talk shit, ill say i am one at times if its deserved by annoyance, over alll im a good player that does his job right in a group, thats all people want in groups, and try to bring no drama along

but thats the problem with wow though, people back in classic that were the raiders were'nt the 20 year olds, more of people 30 years of age or older, that played eq to sometimes get get away from the wife and play

but yea i did enjoy wow, i only played when mc was the main raid area, after that i didnt play, but with my generation, some reason likes to talk shit, and barely have anything to back it up

but most of us are here to enjoy the game

[Doors]

Stormhowl you must just be a dickhead because I can probably count on one hand the number of unpleasant people I've met in game.

[Knuckle]

I really enjoy this community, they come together when it counts, I feel like everyone means something, we really come together when it counts. when my spirits are down you lift me up, you guys really unite when its needed. the community is great here.

[Goraxx]

Buneaters gonna eat buns.

[EvilMallet]

God damn it Storm, get your stupid furry ass out of here.