A Warning to the EQP99 Community: Database Hacking

[Aadill]

With the recreation of The Mystical Order from the merging of two previously competing guilds to become stronger against opposition, the forums administrators of TheMysticalOrder.net quickly determined that something was amiss. With further research we found the possibility of a spy within the guild. That spy (or spies), however, had gone further than simply entering the ranks of a competing guild and reporting back to their own. It was obvious that a Transatlantic Rampage member had entered our ranks as not shortly after a post involving a bug was made public in the TMO forums (of which was removed and reported to the GMs considering it could be used for more than just harmless items) had been copied off of our forums and sent to the GMs.

12:20:40 amelinda btws. is alkorin an officer or just a member?
12:21:04 aadill member but forums admin, why?
12:21:36 amelinda ohhhh looks like someone removed the thread.
12:21:38 amelinda probably jeremy
12:21:47 amelinda that's another sekrit.
12:22:14 amelinda :-P i have access to the forums - not to spy or anything. but durison knows.
12:23:37 amelinda because alkorin had that 'if you didn't know' thread up. tr copied it and emailed it to me.
12:30:26 aadill hahahahah
12:30:28 aadill yeah i removed it
12:30:33 aadill i don't want everyone in the guild trying it
12:30:35 aadill also what the fuck
12:30:39 aadill it said straight in the post
12:30:43 aadill "i told the gms"
12:30:49 aadill why the HELL are they wasting their time with that
12:30:52 aadill are they retarded
12:31:00 amelinda yeah.
12:31:13 amelinda well i already knew that he'd posted that and what i said was 'if you aren't supposed to do it then don't'
12:31:17 amelinda 'i know it's fun. but don't
12:31:24 aadill i mean illusions
12:31:26 aadill cool
12:31:28 aadill but the other stuff
12:31:29 aadill not cool
12:31:31 amelinda yeah.
12:31:33 amelinda exactly.
12:31:34 aadill this is what i said when i moved it back to officers
12:32:03 aadill I moved it because the general population of the guild doesn't need to know or know how to use something that isn't being dealt with simply because enough people aren't doing it. It's obviously an exploit as it's a problem of the entire client. If even a few more people start using it don't you suspect that people outside of the guild will want to know why members of TMO are all of the sudden disappearing into thin air and complete healing themselves and doing all this other shit? Illusions are pretty harmless but what happens when TMO_member_065 says, "Shit I wanna start fear kiting as a warrior!" and picks up that necro fear staff and some other shit and starts BLATANTLY doing that in public eye? If you want full disclosure you break it to the whole server and FORCE the devs to fix it. They use the petition/exploit forum to hide shit like that so people don't do it at large. If everyone starts doing it they'd have no choice and therefore taking it public would be the perfect way to force the GMs to do something. To keep it just in guild, and tell everyone EXACTLY how to do it, will only cause trouble for us. And if anyone with access to our forums is watching us, it won't take long until it's misconstrued much like Transcendence's little fiasco with MQ.

I am happy to see Haynar fixing it but with that said we don't need people abusing it at large right before it gets fixed.

12:33:54 amelinda good job.

At this time we were aware of the possibility of a spy but the membership at large had not been in any danger of any data compromise (or so we thought). The post in question was archived but removed from view to ensure no one attempted anything. The act of taking the post directly to the GMs was not surprising but obviously a waste of time by a member of Transatlantic Rampage in attempts to get someone in trouble. It had already been reported and a response was given by the developers.

Not long thereafter, we had discovered a sum of suspicious illegal activity being recorded by the forum server. An individual with an IP that was a proxy or a VPN in the UK was logging in as one of the guild leaders/forum admins. The guild leader lives nowhere near the UK and was therefore an issue that was quickly looked into further. This IP was linked to an individual attempting to download backup copies of the entire forums database via the Admin Control Panel as well as other private intellectual property (coding/program) created by one of our other players. The posts viewed were very selective by the hacker and indicate a specific interest in Everquest related activity.

Some of the activity recorded by the administrators includes the encrypted passwords of each and every member being downloaded and therefore compromised. Multiple non-existing portions of the site were accessed in attempts to fish further into the site. Whether or not the hacked download of the database and intellectual property succeeded lies in the hands of the individual that took such great measures to commit an illegal act.

EDIT: I edited a pronoun in the phrase "had done it" to lessen confusion.

[Doktoor]

Yay, I'll have something to read today!

[Shiftin]

It is a logical fallacy that because your database was hacked and because a TR member forwarded on an exploit you talked about (even in a "don't do this" way) on your member forums that a TR member hacked your database. We have had former/disgruntled TMO / DA in our app pool consistently for a solid 8 months, including apps received as recently as this morning. People offer us, unsolicited, a ridiculous amount of information about what goes on in your guild.

I am sorry you got hacked. I don't know jack and/or crap about database security, but it seems pretty out of line to point the finger without any actual evidence when this server is a cesspool of people who know entirely too much about the internet. We're not the only people your guild's leadership has pissed off.

[Bardalicious]

The fact that anyone, TR or not, would get so obsessive over an emulated video game as to illegally hack into a guilds' forums is pretty fucking sad.

[Vohl]

Even if this information was provided by someone outside your guild as you say, wouldn't the ethical choice be to inform this other guild about who provided this information, and let them know that you were informing GMs?

[Shiftin]

Yes, after every nice thing TMO has said about us and done for us, I think it's only fair we let them know every time one of their members tells us something embarassing about their guild.

[JenJen]

embarrassing for all involved

[Secrets]

Why is this a warning to this community? No one gives a damn about guild drama, especially if it's third party (IE non-official p1999) sites.

Half the players on p1999 I know for a fact don't care about this.

[JenJen]

Why is this a warning to this community? No one gives a damn about guild drama, especially if it's third party (IE non-official p1999) sites.

Half the players on p1999 I know for a fact don't care about this.

[Zeelot]

Guild drama and illegal activity that affects players on this server are very different things

[Barkingturtle]

Guild drama and illegal activity that affects players on this server are very different things

What's the illegal activity which impacts me? Sounds like whatever exploit you folks had posted on your forums would have been the most likely thing to impact Joe Average.

This thread reeks of preemptive damage control.

[Alarti0001]

I don't know jack and/or crap about database security

Then shut up.


Guild in game spies is one things, having a member give u forum access or read you our forums is one thing. Having access to the admin control panel is completely another.

[deneauth]

Recycling this. Thank Hasbinbad for this.

[Dr4z3r]

This is some EVE shit right here!

[Zeelot]

Personal information including RL pics, discussions of where people live, and passwords to mail accounts and p99 accounts.

[Barkingturtle]

Personal information including RL pics, discussions of where people live, and passwords to mail accounts and p99 accounts.

Yeah, of your guildies. No one else gives a shit nor needs to. Of course, if I were a member of TMO I'd be reconsidering how much information I'd want to share, since it evidently won't be very secure.

Honestly, is this thread anything more than innuendo intended to make TR look bad before it came out that you had exploits posted on your forums? Because as an unbiased observer I just don't see any other reason to bring this to the server's attention in this manner.

[Goraxx]

in B4 ----> Rnf

[Messianic]

Yeah, of your guildies. No one else gives a shit nor needs to. Of course, if I were a member of TMO I'd be reconsidering how much information I'd want to share, since it evidently won't be very secure.

Honestly, is this thread anything more than innuendo intended to make TR look bad before it came out that you had exploits posted on your forums? Because as an unbiased observer I just don't see any other reason to bring this to the server's attention in this manner.

It's definitely entertaining if nothing else.


There's not a reason not to make it public knowledge; but yeah, one of the possible realities here is pre-emptive damage control.

[JenJen]

well to be fair...

i dont know about you but i know a lot of my friends have the same password for everything they use online, and a lot of people have online banking, etc, etc. Whats to stop whoever got in to try every password on each accounts registered email address? once in there...amazon orders? Porn subscriptions? banking, whatev's.

possibly extreme but still possible concern.

[Bardalicious]

well to be fair...

bla bla Porn subscriptions? bla bla

I like where this is going, JenJen!

[Doktoor]

Personal information including RL pics, discussions of where people live, and passwords to mail accounts and p99 accounts.

I would say this point is legit.

Also, as our Swedish friend pointed out, everything happening behind the scenes = bad.

And this is why people read the forums, because they want to know what's going on. Yeah, its guild drama, but everyone continues to open the thread...

[JenJen]

had to sneak it in Bardy...this is an online role playing fantasy forum afterall.

[Alarti0001]

I would say this point is legit.

Also, as our Swedish friend pointed out, everything happening behind the scenes = bad.

And this is why people read the forums, because they want to know what's going on. Yeah, its guild drama, but everyone continues to open the thread...

Ya its guild drama, but accounts getting stolen hacked, passwords compromised, etc is rl drama

[Doktoor]

Ya its guild drama, but accounts getting stolen hacked, passwords compromised, etc is rl drama

My first 2 points agreed with you.

My 3rd point was an IMO

[Zeelot]

This is a warning to all people who run websites associated with this server. If people want to spin this thread to take away from the seriousness of the matter it just reflects immaturity. This was not a case of trading access passwords, it was malicious infiltration of private intellectual property. How can you say for sure that other p99 associated sites weren't hit in a similar manner? I highly suggest that other guilds should check their logs just in case

[Alex]

Ignore the morons claiming this is just guild drama, thanks for bringing this to our attention

[Ring]

This is a warning to all people who run websites associated with this server. If people want to spin this thread to take away from the seriousness of the matter it just reflects immaturity. This was not a case of trading access passwords, it was malicious infiltration of private intellectual property. How can you say for sure that other p99 associated sites weren't hit in a similar manner? I highly suggest that other guilds should check their logs just in case

Yeah, ok, that's all fine, but an officer in your guild pointed the finger at TR in his OP. Instead of a general warning that there might be someone targeting guild websites for malicious reasons, you directly fingered a competing guild as the source with no proof.

[Barkingturtle]

This is a warning to all people who run websites associated with this server. If people want to spin this thread to take away from the seriousness of the matter it just reflects immaturity.

It was "spun" in the OP.

You folks would have been well advised to leave the TR bashing out of it, then, and just report on what occurred without the speculation as to whom perpetrated it. As it stands, it looks like a smear campaign, not a public service, and it looks like you're trying to preemptively damage the credibility of those who might now accuse you of exploiting. Poorly handled, best of luck to you totally mature pillars of the P99 community as you move forward.

[karsten]

who actually subscribes to porn?

[Zeelot]

TR was only mentioned because member(s) of TR were forwarding our internal forum posts around.

When we saw that there had a been a breach of access along with members of TR circulating internal information around the same time of that breach...many came to the conclusion that someone associated with them was probably involved in this.

Of course the evidence isn't damning, but there's plenty of evidence that makes it more likely than not, that someone associated with TR was involved.

[Aadill]

I fixed a pronoun that may have led to some confusion. I had originally put "it was obviously a TR member that had done it" when what I was referring to was entering the ranks of our guild. As far as the database hacking that is a timely coincidence that was only caught due to us being more alert. We had no reason to investigate any activity until we discovered the first spy or hacker. At that point it was a long list of IPs connected to proxy hosting services.

[Alkorin]

The contents of that post are irrelevant, Barkingturtle. The bug's been fixed and I was never shy about telling people what was going on. All I got out of it was a couple illusions I shouldn't be able to use.

I am, however, absolutely baffled by the fact that we've got people logging in from proxies and dedicated hosting farms, using other peoples' credentials, just to spy on an EQ guild on an emulated server of a -game-. I'd like to note that I, myself, have not pointed any fingers at TR, but I have spent a great deal of time tracking down where these people have logged in from, and it really sucks that I have to spend my time doing this. I'd rather be playing the game.

So, here's the deal. I don't care who's done/doing this. It doesn't matter. The internet is very large, and I will never catch you. What I ask is this:

The TMO forums are hosted on my server. This is like my house. You are running through my house, uninvited. Get out. I don't care who you are, and I don't care why you're doing this, but you're ruining this experience for me and for others, and you have no right.

If you are registered on the TMO forums, and you use the same username/password elsewhere, change it now. These people downloaded our database on the 25th of July. Forum passwords are typically easily broken using various software. You have been warned.

[Ring]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=341380&postcount=188

Here's Loly posting a screenshot of IB's private forums. If TR ever has any problems with their website, Loly is obviously suspect number one.

[Slave]

you directly fingered a competing guild

[Barkingturtle]

I am, however, absolutely baffled by the fact that we've got people logging in from proxies and dedicated hosting farms, using other peoples' credentials, just to spy on an EQ guild on an emulated server of a -game.

Eh, people are defecating in socks, for God's sake. The level of dedication and ingenuity of this community's members should never be doubted.

Actually I agree with the above quoted. It's nuts, in my professional opinion. You should all, we should all, everyone should take away from this and just about every bit of drama invented around these parts that this shit is a game. Ban TMO and TR, imo. For their own well-being.

[Alarti0001]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=341380&postcount=188

Here's Loly posting a screenshot of IB's private forums. If TR ever has any problems with their website, Loly is obviously suspect number one.

Loly was giving access by an IB member... Elaida... no hacking was envolved

[Bardalicious]

who actually subscribes to porn?

Subscription porn > free porn. Unless you are pirating subscription porn. And even still, some sites have benefits for subscribing, such as live feeds and such.

I'll take high quality 1080p streaming on my big screen over shitty low res any day.

[midgetzebra]

In vanguard one of the top guilds members wrote a real nice parser for the game that actually uploaded all your logs to his server so he could work out how the end mob encounters worked in APW... its amazing how serious people are about these games.. hehe

[deneauth]

The past 7 days have really blown me away. I take the developers advice though and don't associate the forums with the server for anything other than patch updates. Sorry to hear about this though, its nucking futs.

[Ring]

Loly was giving access by an IB member... Elaida... no hacking was envolved

People are given information on competing guilds all the time, by disgruntled members, by those in the guild seeking to cause drama, whatever it may be.

Just because TR had access to your private forums doesn't mean they hacked you, which was what Aedill was trying to link in his initial post (yeah, bold TR's name, go out of the way to link them to the incident and claim it's a history). My point was that Loly, etc. had access to other guild's private guild forums too so if we follow Aedill's logic, the next time anything suspicious happens to TR, Loly should be the suspect. I'm assuming you can see how ridiculous that line of reasoning is.

[Alarti0001]

People are given information on competing guilds all the time, by disgruntled members, by those in the guild seeking to cause drama, whatever it may be.

Just because TR had access to your private forums doesn't mean they hacked you, which was what Aedill was trying to link in his initial post (yeah, bold TR's name, go out of the way to link them to the incident and claim it's a history). My point was that Loly, etc. had access to other guild's private guild forums too so if we follow Aedill's logic, the next time anything suspicious happens to TR, Loly should be the suspect. I'm assuming you can see how ridiculous that line of reasoning is.

Information from a general forum sure...

[karsten]

loly why you gotta be like that

[Bardalicious]

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/spy.jpg

[Messianic]

...

lol, i enjoyed that


The beginning of Cat memes signals the death of this thread. I thought it would go farther than this...

[Alkorin]

Just because TR had access to your private forums doesn't mean they hacked you

In this case, someone had access to the account of one of the forum administrators (no, not mine), and used this access to download a copy of the database. So, yes, the forums were compromised. This is not the action of someone who is looking for a little inside information.

Also, the word "hacked" is inappropriate in this case. They already had this individual's password. It was taken from elsewhere. They logged in correctly on their first try. So, beware, folks -- just saying.

[Rais]

So having access to officers sections of websites is illegal? The best part is the "officers" of guilds who build open bridges in secret for a "just in case this shit goes bad, I can jump on another ship",are the ones leaking stuff.

Meaning even I have access to read anything posted in Officer sections of 4 of the top guilds guilds on this server. You won't ever know if I logged in on a officers account. There are legal ways of doing this, and keeping the same "officers" IP address. IE the same program half your members use to have trackers online 24/7 or have numerous people logged in at the same time to claim a spawn before it spawns, or 6 member groups filled with only 3 people or so playing all of them.

People have asked me why I haven't joined guild xyz, or zyx. It's because of the rampant cheating the other guilds (not all) that I have seen from their leaders or officers, and let everything else slide. I get more enjoyment from snitching out cheaters, and having people cry about it 3-4 days later.

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lol someone hacked our databases and reporting our posts about how to exploit a bug, but /wink wink don't do it. Good attempt at covering bases.

I don't condone illegal hacking. I fully support the spy method that is legal.

HI PERUN, ALARTI

[Shiftin]

You realize that there was a keylogger going around last month, right? There's a whole server announcement thread about it...

[Alkorin]

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lol someone hacked our databases and reporting our posts about how to exploit a bug, but /wink wink don't do it. Good attempt at covering bases.

I don't condone illegal hacking. I fully support the spy method that is legal.

Let me break this down for you, because you're having a difficult time understanding me.

1. If you download our database, yes, I will know. Will I know it was you? No. I also don't care -who- did it. I want this to stop. I'm not interested in catching people. I'd like to play the game a bit in between all of this bullshit.

2. Did you miss the part about how I'd reported this "exploit" the instant I found it? It's already fixed, awaiting patch. Stop spinning.

Yes, I'm sure that TR found my post amusing. It didn't benefit me in any way, so... yeah. You can quit bringing that up now. If anything, you're using it as an excuse to spin the issue here. The point is: If you don't have legitimate access to something, GTFO.

[Nyrod]

who actually subscribes to porn?

rofl my very thoughts

course then i was like, who bangs fat chicks?

karsten lol <3

[Tiggles]

This is beyond sad.

I have nothing funny to say to this I apologize.

[Skope]

It was "spun" in the OP.

You folks would have been well advised to leave the TR bashing out of it, then, and just report on what occurred without the speculation as to whom perpetrated it. As it stands, it looks like a smear campaign, not a public service, and it looks like you're trying to preemptively damage the credibility of those who might now accuse you of exploiting. Poorly handled, best of luck to you totally mature pillars of the P99 community as you move forward.

they're both douchemonkeys. when you live your life on P99 like many of them do they have a tendency to take this shit that seriously. they invest hours/years into this crap and then demonize each other for the same bad habits/behaviors that they themselves partake in.

Right now the average TMO member is thinking...

who was the asshole in TR who did this?

Right now the average TR member is thinking...

who was the awesome former disgruntled TMO member who did this?


The GMs and the remainder of the server, on the other hand, are thinking...

What in the fuck will it take to shut these two up and make them go away?

[Bardalicious]

I am not amused.

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270911970_db35fdd4ca.jpg

[Messianic]

lol @ "young rupert murdoch"... well done my friend

[midgetzebra]

That is a seriously overweight cat :eek:

[Seaweedpimp]

So having access to officers sections of websites is illegal? The best part is the "officers" of guilds who build open bridges in secret for a "just in case this shit goes bad, I can jump on another ship",are the ones leaking stuff.

Meaning even I have access to read anything posted in Officer sections of 4 of the top guilds guilds on this server. You won't ever know if I logged in on a officers account. There are legal ways of doing this, and keeping the same "officers" IP address. IE the same program half your members use to have trackers online 24/7 or have numerous people logged in at the same time to claim a spawn before it spawns, or 6 member groups filled with only 3 people or so playing all of them.

People have asked me why I haven't joined guild xyz, or zyx. It's because of the rampant cheating the other guilds (not all) that I have seen from their leaders or officers, and let everything else slide. I get more enjoyment from snitching out cheaters, and having people cry about it 3-4 days later.


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lol someone hacked our databases and reporting our posts about how to exploit a bug, but /wink wink don't do it. Good attempt at covering bases.

I don't condone illegal hacking. I fully support the spy method that is legal.

HI PERUN, ALARTI


I dont think ive ever laughed so hard in my entire life.


LOL wow. fail

[Rais]

I agree, people shouldn't be downloading peoples efforts in coding or stuff. I think you missed out on that part.

Let me break this down for you, because you're having a difficult time understanding me.

1. If you download our database, yes, I will know. Will I know it was you? No. I also don't care -who- did it. I want this to stop. I'm not interested in catching people. I'd like to play the game a bit in between all of this bullshit.

2. Did you miss the part about how I'd reported this "exploit" the instant I found it? It's already fixed, awaiting patch. Stop spinning.

Everything else, it's fair game. If anything is "fail" it's the posting of exploits/bugs that you can do, how you can do it, what effects it causes on your members only access section. It's slightly different than posting a dupe/exploit that people can take advantage of on the p99 site in R&F or some other section.

Heres a helpful hint. If you know of a exploit/bug, post it here. Not on members only website. Not sure what I'm twisting, only stating the facts and what was done to cover asses.

[Salty]

lol @ gossip.

Too much time on your hands.

[Kruel]

Honestly cant go onto R&F because all that gets posted is TMO butthurt they lost loot, or butthurt they lost a trak, or bragging they got a trak.

Now here i am in regular server chat and here i get TMO butthurt there forums arent secure..

[Haul]

Why is this a warning to this community? No one gives a damn about guild drama, especially if it's third party (IE non-official p1999) sites.

Half the players on p1999 I know for a fact don't care about this.

I support this.

[Alkorin]

Rais, I get that, trust me. It really wasn't a big deal. That's why I didn't care. I really shouldn't have said anything at all to anybody until the patch was in. It's not a dupe or anything quite so useful (and illegal, and immoral, etc. etc.) and this is being blown way out of proportion.

Can we agree that the access is the issue here? What was accessed simply isn't as important as how it was accessed.

[Razdeline]

It is a logical fallacy that because your database was hacked and because a TR member forwarded on an exploit you talked about (even in a "don't do this" way) on your member forums that a TR member hacked your database. We have had former/disgruntled TMO / DA in our app pool consistently for a solid 8 months, including apps received as recently as this morning. People offer us, unsolicited, a ridiculous amount of information about what goes on in your guild.

I am sorry you got hacked. I don't know jack and/or crap about database security, but it seems pretty out of line to point the finger without any actual evidence when this server is a cesspool of people who know entirely too much about the internet. We're not the only people your guild's leadership has pissed off.

pwned

[Zeelot]

Not sure why so many don't realize that this thread was created as a warning to the community. A warning of what you ask? There are players on this server who use illicit means to download private information from websites that are run/owned by other players on the server. You think it's just TMO/TR? Think again.

The only real issue here is the fact that peoples' personal information and intellectual property was compromised. The post Alkorin made on our forums that we're supposedly 'covering' for was written with an introductory disclaimer that he had already made a petition. We only mentioned this said post because it was taken from our private boards around the same time our database was downloaded; it was then posted out of context as a petition to try and get Alkorin in trouble somehow. We only care about that incident because it provides evidence as to who downloaded our database.


It could be a completely unrelated issue, but chances are it's not. People may laugh and joke about it, trying to get this thread into RnF for some reason, but invasion of privacy online is a huge problem today. It's stupid to think of this as just a TMO/TR issue.

/thread.

[Eccezan]

Not sure why so many don't realize that this thread was created as a warning to the community. A warning of what you ask? There are players on this server who use illicit means to download private information from websites that are run/owned by other players on the server. You think it's just TMO/TR? Think again.

The only real issue here is the fact that peoples' personal information and intellectual property was compromised. The post Alkorin made on our forums that we're supposedly 'covering' for was written with an introductory disclaimer that he had already made a petition. We only mentioned this said post because it was taken from our private boards around the same time our database was downloaded; it was then posted out of context as a petition to try and get Alkorin in trouble somehow. We only care about that incident because it provides evidence as to who downloaded our database.


It could be a completely unrelated issue, but chances are it's not. People may laugh and joke about it, trying to get this thread into RnF for some reason, but invasion of privacy online is a huge problem today. It's stupid to think of this as just a TMO/TR issue.

/thread.

QFT

[Rais]

After reading the logs in the first post. It's no longer safe to give info to the Staff on posts from other boards or people exploting without being outed on who gave it?

12:23:37 amelinda because alkorin had that 'if you didn't know' thread up. tr copied it and emailed it to me.

This is a bad precedent, and I <3 Amelinda.

[booter]

Not sure why so many don't realize that this thread was created as a warning to the community. A warning of what you ask? There are players on this server who use illicit means to download private information from websites that are run/owned by other players on the server. You think it's just TMO/TR? Think again.

The only real issue here is the fact that peoples' personal information and intellectual property was compromised. The post Alkorin made on our forums that we're supposedly 'covering' for was written with an introductory disclaimer that he had already made a petition. We only mentioned this said post because it was taken from our private boards around the same time our database was downloaded; it was then posted out of context as a petition to try and get Alkorin in trouble somehow. We only care about that incident because it provides evidence as to who downloaded our database.


It could be a completely unrelated issue, but chances are it's not. People may laugh and joke about it, trying to get this thread into RnF for some reason, but invasion of privacy online is a huge problem today. It's stupid to think of this as just a TMO/TR issue.

/thread.

I think people were clearly upset at the completely unnecessary anti-TR spin on the post for something that was meant as a general warning to the community. You guys are like Fox News - they can't bring up anything without pointing a finger at Obama.

That being said, yes these are real issues and thanks for bringing them up.

Also:

12:22:14 amelinda :-P i have access to the forums - not to spy or anything. but durison knows.

http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-tinfoil.gif

[Salty]

phpBB3


lolololol

[Rais]

12:22:14 amelinda :-P i have access to the forums - not to spy or anything. but durison knows.

So meaning shes a member of TMO! We all knew it. The balance between Virtiouso TR(Hobby) and xyz TMO(Amelinda) has been upset! Now we must out who Bort is!

[Kassel]

So meaning shes a member of TMO! We all knew it. The balance between Virtiouso TR(Hobby) and xyz TMO(Amelinda) has been upset! Now we must out who Bort is!

We all know you are bort.. :D

[Tiggles]

There is more information that Alkorin and Aadil have that they are not saying.

The reason for the Anti TR spin is that the account Kinsawt was using to spy on our guild chat shares the same IP with person who stole our database.

[YendorLootmonkey]

There is more information that Alkorin and Aadil have that they are not saying.

The reason for the Anti TR spin is that the account Kinsawt was using to spy on our guild chat shares the same IP with person who stole our database.

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9277272.jpg

[JenJen]

kinsawt sounds like one top notch villain indeed.

like alan rickman in robin hood:prince of thieves. best baddie ever.

[Charyz]

To the focus that the post was made for the general good and information of those out there: Good post, thanks for the heads up, genuinely appreciated.

To the Anti TR part : Awful lot of speculation with little proof TR had anything to do with it.


There is more information that Alkorin and Aadil have that they are not saying.

The reason for the Anti TR spin is that the account Kinsawt was using to spy on our guild chat shares the same IP with person who stole our database.

You seem to have alot of knowledge of exactly what transpired. Where is the proof that he did it and the IPs that matched?

Speculation without proof is just....speculation.

[G13]

Why even warn anybody if you're just going to get trolled for doing it?

You don't owe the community a damn thing. Let them get hacked and have all their personal info hacked. Serves them right.

[JayDee]

lol nerds

[Charyz]

Why even warn anybody if you're just going to get trolled for doing it?

You don't owe the community a damn thing. Let them get hacked and have all their personal info hacked. Serves them right.

Who trolled? TR was implicated in something with absolutely zero proof. How would you take that?

[Shannacore]

This is a good thread, continue on.

[Cyrano]

Not sure why so many don't realize that this thread was created as a warning to the community. A warning of what you ask? There are players on this server who use illicit means to download private information from websites that are run/owned by other players on the server. You think it's just TMO/TR? Think again.

The only real issue here is the fact that peoples' personal information and intellectual property was compromised. The post Alkorin made on our forums that we're supposedly 'covering' for was written with an introductory disclaimer that he had already made a petition. We only mentioned this said post because it was taken from our private boards around the same time our database was downloaded; it was then posted out of context as a petition to try and get Alkorin in trouble somehow. We only care about that incident because it provides evidence as to who downloaded our database.


It could be a completely unrelated issue, but chances are it's not. People may laugh and joke about it, trying to get this thread into RnF for some reason, but invasion of privacy online is a huge problem today. It's stupid to think of this as just a TMO/TR issue.

/thread.

Dude STFU with the "intellectual property" crap. No one cares about your shitty RL pics or strats. Stop trying to lawyer people on this with your bullshit post blaming TR for you guys having someone go through you forums. It's not a huge fucking deal like you clowns make it out to be.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Just another coincidence.

[Tiggles]

Just another coincidence.

[Rais]

[Sun Aug 07 23:21:32 2011] Loly tells you, 'you know I don't have anything personal against you'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'I am particularly more forgiving than my guildmates however.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:35 2011] You told Loly, 'lol i never did anything to any of them'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:43 2011] Loly tells you, 'hahahaha'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'omg the forum trolling? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:58 2011] You told Loly, 'i put u in a picture just now tho, u see it/ :P'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:05 2011] Loly tells you, 'you were a part in Tig's Mangum Opus, or tenth Symphony'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:09 2011] Loly tells you, 'of you? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'did you get leaks of my pix? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:21 2011] You told Loly, 'lol no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'I mean, w/e to the memes~'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:34 2011] You told Loly, 'in that Too Many Overlords dude's thread'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:43 2011] Loly tells you, 'they will never be as classic as uuallen/cyrius posting his pic ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:47 2011] You told Loly, 'i never trolled u guys in any serious or personal way'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:05 2011] You told Loly, 'u play the part of Grand Moff tarkin'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'Eh, it's like, defending the devil is enough? Suppose you weren't as bad as Harrison'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:12 2011] Loly tells you, 'which, and I know you will SS this'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'I kinda.... understand... harrison was his brother'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:33 2011] Loly tells you, 'If harrison was my bro'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:37 2011] Loly tells you, 'I might've done the same'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:10 2011] Loly tells you, 'I mean, what it comes down to'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:15 2011] Loly tells you, 'Is yer ppl cry for competition'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:31 2011] Loly tells you, 'but react negatively when presented with it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:38 2011] You told Loly, 'yeah you guys forced us to up our game :P'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'you know Xzerion has been talking to Shaere about a rotation?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:39 2011] You told Loly, 'naw'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:55 2011] Loly tells you, 'trying to get everyone to agree so he could take it to the GMs and get it pushed through?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:10 2011] Loly tells you, 'Thusly making us look bad when we complain'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:35 2011] You told Loly, 'i dunno anything about that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'do you know about the private TR core vent?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:54 2011] Loly tells you, 'where they all meet up to plot?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:58 2011] Loly tells you, 'I guarantee you it exists'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'note I said vent, not TS'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:10 2011] You told Loly, 'lol yes everyone does it's no secret'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:32 2011] Loly tells you, 'well, that much is obvious ;)'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:42 2011] You told Loly, 'theres like 3 of them'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have 2, care to tell me where the third is? =)'
[Sun Aug 07 23:28:10 2011] You told Loly, 'lol'
[Sun Aug 07 23:28:34 2011] Loly tells you, 'I do meta-troll at times, but you'll never know when I am'
[Sun Aug 07 23:28:44 2011] Loly tells you, 'but on this, I am not, I assure you.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm very "in-tune" with other guilds communication methods'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:09 2011] You told Loly, 'loly i know about the vents lol, sometimes the pull team uses one, and sometimes the officers debrief in one'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'nah, they spend a lot of time in the one I'm talking about'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:28 2011] You told Loly, 'sometimes cliques chill in them'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:42 2011] Loly tells you, 'that's what I love about my guild, no cliques'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:52 2011] Loly tells you, 'you're either in or you're out'
[Sun Aug 07 23:30:42 2011] Loly tells you, 'Gonna say rite now'
[Sun Aug 07 23:30:55 2011] Loly tells you, 'Never revealed to any TR member how much I know in that regard'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:02 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm sure you'll do with it as you please'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'Might even get you some brownie points'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:42 2011] You told Loly, 'lol loly, you're not the only one keeping tabs on the other side ^^'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know what you guys do ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:56 2011] Loly tells you, 'Just popped another account today'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:03 2011] Loly tells you, 'I always suspected it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:12 2011] Loly tells you, 'but they cautioned me against it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'Here's something noone knows'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'The person hacking TMO's boards as Durison is also the person stealing a bunch of people's accounts.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:42 2011] You told Loly, 'i'm of the opinion that tmo has 4-7 active TR, and that TR has 3-5 active TMO'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'll level with you man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:59 2011] Loly tells you, 'I don't have ppl in your guild'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'Honestly'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'Not in your guild, not on your forums'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'So sleep tight'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'I get accused of it all the time'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:31 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm just a great meta-troll'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'It works so well that people attribute all sorts of qualities to me that I do not posesss'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:57 2011] You told Loly, 'eh.. we set traps sometimes.. they invariably get triggered'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:15 2011] Loly tells you, 'I mean, you guys are EQ ppl'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'We are straight up computer people that run our site'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'I've tracked down multiple VPNs your people use to log in'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'one was even tied to someone who has been compromising EQEmu accounts on p1999'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'No shit.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'I've got huge forum lists of IPs of VPNs ppl have connected from'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:25 2011] You told Loly, 'well i support any action on your part to ban people from eqemu community who hack/cheat'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:36 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm working on it man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'I hope we can be the cure to the scourge of this server;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:18 2011] You told Loly, 'there may be a lot of lies flying around, but anyone who hacks or cheat for real is fucked imho, and the general knowledge in TR is that nobody does so. I applaud you if you can prove different.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:28 2011] Loly tells you, 'dude...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:29 2011] You told Loly, 'TR is hardly the scourge of this server bro'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:32 2011] Loly tells you, 'you know that's not true'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:37 2011] You told Loly, 'no, i don't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:41 2011] Loly tells you, 'man.. I know some of your people...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:56 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have so much shit I could tell you right now that I would get in trouble for saying'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:58 2011] You told Loly, 'nobody i know cheats or anything shady'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'Like two boxing?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:08 2011] You told Loly, 'who?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'or ShowEQ?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:11 2011] You told Loly, 'who?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'I cannot say man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:17 2011] You told Loly, 'there you go'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:21 2011] Loly tells you, 'these are under investigation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't talk about shit currently being investigated.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'Or it's no longer an investigation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:46 2011] You told Loly, 'well i hope that the investigations turn up that you're high, but if they don't then i applaud your efforts'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:54 2011] Loly tells you, 'I assure you man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:58 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you think you know about TR'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'you're just wrong...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:08 2011] You told Loly, 'i can just tell you that if it's going on, it's well hidden'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'You must not be talking to the right people'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:18 2011] Loly tells you, 'Of course it is!'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:22 2011] You told Loly, 'lol man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'That is why they have the private core vent!'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:28 2011] Loly tells you, 'do you not get it? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:40 2011] You told Loly, 'all i can say is prove it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:40 2011] Loly tells you, 'man serious'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't ;op'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:53 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'll be ramrodding so many ppl'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:59 2011] You told Loly, 'until then it's your word vs theirs, and i trust them more so :P'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you don't trust me, then you don't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:06 2011] Loly tells you, 'and that's fine with me'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'I will not disclose sources to make you believe me'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'I couldn't care less what you believe'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:33 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm just trying to level with you man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:49 2011] You told Loly, 'people have been saying ib/tr hack/cheat/gm-hack etc. since 2009 bro'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:54 2011] Loly tells you, 'lol'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:58 2011] Loly tells you, 'but they never had proof ;)'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:13 2011] You told Loly, 'i've been with this crew since then except a couple months doing time in DA, where i saw actual blatant cheating'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'You're asking me to help you with math and don't realize you did that because you recognize me as the most intelligent person to contact about that ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:35 2011] You told Loly, 'many times, and in their forums they encouraged it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:46 2011] Loly tells you, 'dude, if I ever saw that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:52 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'd fucking end this right now'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:00 2011] Loly tells you, 'they are all upstanding players as far as I've seen'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:04 2011] You told Loly, 'well it happened in the past, i cannot speak for it now'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'in all our private shit there has been no talk of real cheating'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:40 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm sure Kins has posted to you that Alkorin thing where he petitioned that he was able to click any item in inventory, TWICE, in petitions forum.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'and he had petitioned twice about it, once months ago, and now again recently'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:22 2011] Loly tells you, 'All sorts of ways you can paint someone as bad people'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'we've also turned in people from our guild to the GMs who have admitted to RMT'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:52 2011] Loly tells you, 'No quarry'
[Sun Aug 07 23:44:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'Here's the thing, they try to act like good people. Especially Xzerion, the truth is'
[Sun Aug 07 23:44:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'They are just conceited little bitches'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:05 2011] Loly tells you, 'We aren't here to make the entire server suffer'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'You've seen we have mobs we just don't care about'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:20 2011] Loly tells you, 'We'd do the same for other guilds as well'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:32 2011] You told Loly, 'dude if you want to keep up a civil relationship, i ask you not to use such inflammatory language about my friends'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'Dude, what do I say?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:50 2011] Loly tells you, 'Other than the truth?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have a thousand things I can't say'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'Cause it'll out ppl'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:09 2011] You told Loly, 'instead of saying that xzerion is a conceited little bitch, talk about his specific actions which you take issue with'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:22 2011] Loly tells you, 'OK'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:25 2011] You told Loly, 'quickfingers is a faggot who rapes children'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:25 2011] Loly tells you, 'Lets do one'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'After the Trak thing'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:32 2011] You told Loly, 'just because i say it doesn't make it so'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:37 2011] Loly tells you, 'every TR officer asked who was FTE'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:43 2011] Loly tells you, 'this was donalsbtw'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:53 2011] Loly tells you, 'Then Xzerion logs on next day'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:02 2011] Loly tells you, 'gets perun to get amelinda into Daltheb's vent'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:09 2011] Loly tells you, 'and then xzerion btiches at her about'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'he made the first to 15 rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'and she needs to enfore it or she'll no longer be a guide'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:31 2011] Loly tells you, 'guess what? she quit.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:39 2011] You told Loly, 'if you don't like the rules as they stand, lobby to get them changed. i don't like them either and i will agree with you publically'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:48 2011] Loly tells you, 'O'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm tryin'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:54 2011] You told Loly, 'xzerion didnt make the first to 15 rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'It doesn't detract from the fact'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:06 2011] You told Loly, 'that's horse shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:15 2011] Loly tells you, 'that perun got amel into daltheb's vent to tell her how to rule on the situation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:20 2011] You told Loly, 'that rule was agreed upon by the council of guild leaders in 2010'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'Obviously you weren't there for that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:35 2011] You told Loly, 'i was briefed about it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'No Xzerion made that rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:48 2011] You told Loly, 'amelinda made a wrong call according to the rules, as far as i understand it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:52 2011] You told Loly, 'no, he didn't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:58 2011] You told Loly, 'whoever told you that is lying'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:05 2011] You told Loly, 'i was there for that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:06 2011] Loly tells you, 'you think 15 of the best geared players on the server can take trak?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:12 2011] You told Loly, 'no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:16 2011] You told Loly, 'maybe 20'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:19 2011] Loly tells you, 'so why did they play that rule against us?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:29 2011] You told Loly, 'because those are the standing rules of the server'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:40 2011] Loly tells you, 'nah, cause those are Xz's rules'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:42 2011] Loly tells you, 'In fact'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:47 2011] You told Loly, 'and when we have to contend with 80 people at trak, we're going to pull out every gun we have'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'that trak ruling was made 3d later'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:56 2011] You told Loly, 'that is not xzerion's rule lol'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:02 2011] Loly tells you, 'after the ruling had already been made, after TR ppl asked who was FTE'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:05 2011] You told Loly, 'you're full of shit with that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:06 2011] Loly tells you, 'but you know what happened?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:09 2011] Loly tells you, 'Xz came in'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:11 2011] Loly tells you, 'and was like'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:15 2011] You told Loly, 'it was a wrong ruling loly'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'I made up the first to 15 rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:23 2011] You told Loly, 'the rules as posted were not followed'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'you need to count ppl in spawnpoint'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you guys were right, tell me where Amelinda is?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'She quit over that shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:58 2011] You told Loly, 'that's unfortunate, but ultimately her choice'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:11 2011] You told Loly, 'i really like amelinda and hope she comes back'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'cause she couldn't deal with the guilt tripping'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:18 2011] You told Loly, 'but she made a wrong call as per the posted rules'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:34 2011] You told Loly, 'otherwise uthgaard would have told xz to go fly a kite'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'Your evidence showed nothing'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'She didn't telll him that cause...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:49 2011] You told Loly, 'i'm not up on the evidence etc'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'Her and Perun are friends'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:00 2011] You told Loly, 'uthgaard is a man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'I got logs of all of this btw, not gonna show em, but I know what's going on'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:17 2011] You told Loly, 'uthgaard is the one who ruled on the appeal'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:20 2011] Loly tells you, 'no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:27 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have logs of that too'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:30 2011] You told Loly, 'ok'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:30 2011] Loly tells you, 'from his perspective'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:43 2011] You told Loly, 'loly if what you're saying is true'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'they're on our forums'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:49 2011] You told Loly, 'listen'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:54 2011] You told Loly, 'if what you're saying is true'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:58 2011] You told Loly, 'then why play here?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'I get so much pleasure from winning against the odds.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:28 2011] You told Loly, 'if we really have GM's holding mobs helpless and then the members HACK to kill them, why even play here?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:28 2011] Loly tells you, 'Every time I beat you while being aware of the corruption'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:34 2011] Loly tells you, 'I feel that much more accomplished.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:40 2011] You told Loly, 'if what you say is true, you would never beat us'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'that's the thing, we are, because TR can't hang'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'you got like 2/7 traks?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:02 2011] You told Loly, 'if we really have GMs abusing power and hacking on top of thatk, an honest guild would never win'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:08 2011] You told Loly, 'no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:14 2011] You told Loly, 'we got like 30/35 traks'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'and one of the traks you pulled BS shit to get a donals bp'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'after ksing us on Sev'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:22 2011] Loly tells you, 'and telling us he dropped 2 loots'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:25 2011] You told Loly, 'convenient how u guys constantly forget that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:27 2011] Loly tells you, 'I saw you kill him earlier'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:30 2011] Loly tells you, 'he dropped 4'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'So realllllly'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:55 2011] Loly tells you, 'Don't think you or anyone else fools me'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know all about you'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:58 2011] You told Loly, 'ok man, your tin foil is blocking all my attempts to speak to you reasonably'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know all about _everyone_'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:07 2011] Loly tells you, 'People just come to me and tell me shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:08 2011] You told Loly, 'you obviously don't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:12 2011] You told Loly, 'you know what you''
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:18 2011] You told Loly, 'you know what you've been told'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:22 2011] You told Loly, 'and you believe it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:25 2011] You told Loly, 'like a kid'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'haha not quite'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:29 2011] You told Loly, 'whatever man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:34 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have more info than what, "I've been told''
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:38 2011] You told Loly, 'i had thought you were a reasoned man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:41 2011] Loly tells you, 'I am'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'you are not being'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:49 2011] You told Loly, 'your conspiracy theories say otherwise'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:50 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't show you this'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:54 2011] You told Loly, 'good day sir'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'you are the biggest mouthed person on the server'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:07 2011] Loly tells you, 'the shit I will reveal will all come at once'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:18 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm not into piecemealing it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:18 2011] You told Loly, 'right, we're all gm's who also hack, and yet you win at a couple traks even through our gm hacks'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:20 2011] You told Loly, 'rofl'

[Rais]

lol

[G13]

Who trolled? TR was implicated in something with absolutely zero proof. How would you take that?

I understand you have sand in your vagina to defend the horse you have in the race. Here's me giving a flying fuck.

That doesn't change the fact that people's private information was stolen. Implicating TR doesn't change that fact. Start using logic, and stop using emotion, because you're so dedicated to camping pixels for days and days at a time.

Like I said before, TMO doesn't owe you people anything. They warned you. If you're not going to heed their warning and take this as seriously as you should be, then that isn't their problem. If this was somebody from a rival guild doing this though and that information comes out and can't be disputed, that person should be banned and his guild obliterated from the server. This is the last thing you want on an EMU server. Private information being hacked, regardless of the intention, this is a very dangerous precedent being created by the community. By trying to downplay it's significance, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

[TR Spokesman]

Dude STFU with the "intellectual property" crap. No one cares about your shitty RL pics or strats. Stop trying to lawyer people on this with your bullshit post blaming TR for you guys having someone go through you forums. It's not a huge fucking deal like you clowns make it out to be.

yeah, no shit. TMO members need to get over it. We TR guys really enjoy wackin it to your hot chicks.

[Eccezan]

Dude STFU with the "intellectual property" crap. No one cares about your shitty RL pics or strats. Stop trying to lawyer people on this with your bullshit post blaming TR for you guys having someone go through you forums. It's not a huge fucking deal like you clowns make it out to be.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSv6Mpi28T6DkcutNmJ2cD9Z0dAPKwU7 y6FndxbGyZRodld3apK

[Charyz]

I understand you have sand in your vagina to defend the horse you have in the race. Here's me giving a flying fuck.

That doesn't change the fact that people's private information was stolen. Implicating TR doesn't change that fact. Start using logic, and stop using emotion, because you're so dedicated to camping pixels for days and days at a time.

Like I said before, TMO doesn't owe you people anything. They warned you. If you're not going to heed their warning and take this as seriously as you should be, then that isn't their problem. If this was somebody from a rival guild doing this though and that information comes out and can't be disputed, that person should be banned and his guild obliterated from the server. This is the last thing you want on an EMU server. Private information being hacked, regardless of the intention, this is a very dangerous precedent being created by the community. By trying to downplay it's significance, you are part of the problem, not the solution.



Right, so pull your head out of your ass and answer a question.


Who trolled? We know Bronson, you are salty at IB and TR and you hate them and its really very tiring. Answer my question, who trolled. this thread is either people defending their guild for being falsely implicated, or people heeding the warning.

If TR wasnt implicated, would you have even jumped in?

Doubt it.

[Shannacore]

Loly sounds kind of crazy to me in that dialogue.

[Shannacore]

Or at least like he's wearing an enormous tin-foil hat.

[Skope]

Rais, i was reading that hoping to see something entertaining. It just kind of ended, hurt my brain and i wasn't even rewarded with a punch line.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/41787_214277156210_9019_n.jpg

[bakkily]

as i was watching breaking bad this last sunday, there was a extra that really looked like you shanna, only saw the chick at a back angle, kind of sitting sideways, off topic, but who cares......

[Nedala]

Lol @ that dialog, just lol.

[Cyrano]

Loly is seriously co-guildleader? OMG.

[Salty]

people's private information was stolen

Like I said before, TMO doesn't owe you people anything.

lol

[Pico]

i'd be pretty embarrassed too if i was outed irl for being a member of tmo

[Salty]

[Sun Aug 07 23:37:21 2011] Loly tells you, 'these are under investigation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't talk about shit currently being investigated.'

homosexual

[Cyrano]

And yes Ecc I am angry. I'm angry at the fact I was too conceited to accept Durison's application to IB last year and that my actions have indirectly allowed poopsocking and zerg recruiting to become the primary tactics of our rival guilds over the past year.

If I had simply accepted him FB would have never rallied as DA and we'd probably have a much better raid scene.

[G13]

Right, so pull your head out of your ass and answer a question.

Who trolled? We know Bronson, you are salty at IB and TR and you hate them and its really very tiring. Answer my question, who trolled. this thread is either people defending their guild for being falsely implicated, or people heeding the warning.

If TR wasnt implicated, would you have even jumped in?

Doubt it.

Again, stop using your emotion and start using logic. Where did I claim TR was the one doing the trolling. I believe them to be innocent, unless there is evidence to prove otherwise. What concerns me are people downplaying the actual hacking, because they believe protecting their guild is more important than the server and the community as a whole. Don't downplay people's information getting hacked. If someone made an implication without evidence, then that is their stupidity, and they should apologize, but that doesn't mean this hacking is NOT a serious incident. It is, regardless of how you FEEL.

Automatically you're getting defensive and emotional, and not using your brain. I don't care about your guild drama anymore, but I do care about the server. I've been playing on here since Oct 09 when it first opened. The last thing this server needs are people hacking personal/private information. It can ultimately kill the server. Who the hell is going to want to play here and take part in the community is people are hacking personal/private information?

Do you consider the hacking a serious incident in regards to the overall health of the community, or is TMO making it up?

Yes or No

[Pico]

good evening madam. the name's loly, district 99 everquest detective. have u been noticing anything strange with your everquests lately

[TR Spokesman]

Yeah TR has never poopsocked, or resorted to in in the history of TR and it's previous names.

We've also never done shady shit before. We are the glorious Angels of P99 and every player we come into contact with is instantly showered with greatness that radiates from our characters.

You all should be fucking grateful that we even reply to you.

[Slathar]

bush knocked down the stock market

[JenJen]

hohoh big bischy pulling out the big guns!

[Charyz]

Again, stop using your emotion and start using logic. Where did I claim TR was the one doing the trolling. I believe them to be innocent, unless there is evidence to prove otherwise. What concerns me are people downplaying the actual hacking, because they believe protecting their guild is more important than the server and the community as a whole. Don't downplay people's information getting hacked. If someone made an implication without evidence, then that is their stupidity, and they should apologize, but that doesn't mean this hacking is NOT a serious incident. It is, regardless of how you FEEL.

Automatically you're getting defensive and emotional, and not using your brain. I don't care about your guild drama anymore, but I do care about the server. I've been playing on here since Oct 09 when it first opened. The last thing this server needs are people hacking personal/private information. It can ultimately kill the server. Who the hell is going to want to play here and take part in the community is people are hacking personal/private information?

Do you consider the hacking a serious incident in regards to the overall health of the community, or is TMO making it up?

Yes or No

Yes princess, thats why I thanked the seriousness of reporting this matter and making everyone alert.

You still have yet to answer MY question. If you arent suggesting TR, then specify who is trolling?

[booter]

LOLy

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

because they believe protecting their guild is more important than the server

[Tiggles]

Aadil is just trying to beat my thread in total posts...

Close, but not close enough

[Bardalicious]

Or at least like he's wearing an enormous tin-foil hat.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HtioAIy6N_k/Tb6-9SVbkhI/AAAAAAAAANs/aZk_aLBKav8/s1600/ilhat.jpg

[naez]

oil blood money make them killers ride cold

[G13]

Yes princess, thats why I thanked the seriousness of reporting this matter and making everyone alert.

You still have yet to answer MY question. If you arent suggesting TR, then specify who is trolling?

So then you're just crying like a little bitch. Makes sense. I don't give a fuck about your guild drama or what guild you want to White Knight for. I don't care if you want to camp trak for 3 days. I don't care if you shit in a sock. My concern is some asshole is out there hacking/stealing personal/private information from people that play on this EMU server. Downplaying that to defend a guild is part of the problem. Not the solution. accusing a guild of doing without sufficient evidence is part of the problem. Not the solution. Can you stop fucking whining now you little faggot?

Why is this a warning to this community? No one gives a damn about guild drama, especially if it's third party (IE non-official p1999) sites.

Half the players on p1999 I know for a fact don't care about this.

What guild is Barkingturtle in? Do I care? No. I made no mention of names or guilds or anything. You are the one making this a personal issue and being an emo blood drenched douchebag about it. Take your clown shoes off.

What's the illegal activity which impacts me? Sounds like whatever exploit you folks had posted on your forums would have been the most likely thing to impact Joe Average.

This thread reeks of preemptive damage control.

Another

Yeah, of your guildies. No one else gives a shit nor needs to. Of course, if I were a member of TMO I'd be reconsidering how much information I'd want to share, since it evidently won't be very secure.

Honestly, is this thread anything more than innuendo intended to make TR look bad before it came out that you had exploits posted on your forums? Because as an unbiased observer I just don't see any other reason to bring this to the server's attention in this manner.

Have a nice day dickface

[Charyz]

QQ...

Then.

Finally useful info



Thank you for finally pointing out the trolling. Why couldnt you do that in the first place and skip this whole dance. You know why people said the things they did about it? Its because the thread started as another TMO/TR thread that people are so tired of. Theres so many of them and they are all mindless stupidity.

That is why I defended the people I associate myself with yes. Because thats where this thread started -> and went to in a hurry. And Gee, what was I thinking, who would ever think Bronson might hating on a large portion of people who make up TR.

Where could I ever have gotten that from?

Based on your history - and where this thread started, I made an assumption.

Yes I was wrong, yes I admit it - you personally were not aiming anything at TR, and I apologize.

You are a very angry fella.

[TR Spokesman]

Thank you for finally pointing out the trolling. Why couldnt you do that in the first place and skip this whole dance. You know why people said the things they did about it? Its because the thread started as another TMO/TR thread that people are so tired of. Theres so many of them and they are all mindless stupidity.

That is why I defended the people I associate myself with yes. Because thats where this thread started -> and went to in a hurry. And Gee, what was I thinking, who would ever think Bronson might hating on a large portion of people who make up TR.

Where could I ever have gotten that from?

Based on your history - and where this thread started, I made an assumption.

Yes I was wrong, yes I admit it - you personally were not aiming anything at TR, and I apologize.

You are a very angry fella.

quit being stupid and trying to provoke others. Everything was fine until you did that.

[Hasbinbad]

[Sun Aug 07 23:21:32 2011] Loly tells you, 'you know I don't have anything personal against you'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'I am particularly more forgiving than my guildmates however.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:35 2011] You told Loly, 'lol i never did anything to any of them'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:43 2011] Loly tells you, 'hahahaha'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'omg the forum trolling? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:22:58 2011] You told Loly, 'i put u in a picture just now tho, u see it/ :P'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:05 2011] Loly tells you, 'you were a part in Tig's Mangum Opus, or tenth Symphony'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:09 2011] Loly tells you, 'of you? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'did you get leaks of my pix? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:21 2011] You told Loly, 'lol no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'I mean, w/e to the memes~'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:34 2011] You told Loly, 'in that Too Many Overlords dude's thread'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:43 2011] Loly tells you, 'they will never be as classic as uuallen/cyrius posting his pic ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:23:47 2011] You told Loly, 'i never trolled u guys in any serious or personal way'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:05 2011] You told Loly, 'u play the part of Grand Moff tarkin'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'Eh, it's like, defending the devil is enough? Suppose you weren't as bad as Harrison'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:12 2011] Loly tells you, 'which, and I know you will SS this'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'I kinda.... understand... harrison was his brother'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:33 2011] Loly tells you, 'If harrison was my bro'
[Sun Aug 07 23:24:37 2011] Loly tells you, 'I might've done the same'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:10 2011] Loly tells you, 'I mean, what it comes down to'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:15 2011] Loly tells you, 'Is yer ppl cry for competition'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:31 2011] Loly tells you, 'but react negatively when presented with it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:38 2011] You told Loly, 'yeah you guys forced us to up our game :P'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'you know Xzerion has been talking to Shaere about a rotation?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:39 2011] You told Loly, 'naw'
[Sun Aug 07 23:25:55 2011] Loly tells you, 'trying to get everyone to agree so he could take it to the GMs and get it pushed through?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:10 2011] Loly tells you, 'Thusly making us look bad when we complain'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:35 2011] You told Loly, 'i dunno anything about that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'do you know about the private TR core vent?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:54 2011] Loly tells you, 'where they all meet up to plot?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:26:58 2011] Loly tells you, 'I guarantee you it exists'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'note I said vent, not TS'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:10 2011] You told Loly, 'lol yes everyone does it's no secret'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:32 2011] Loly tells you, 'well, that much is obvious ;)'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:42 2011] You told Loly, 'theres like 3 of them'
[Sun Aug 07 23:27:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have 2, care to tell me where the third is? =)'
[Sun Aug 07 23:28:10 2011] You told Loly, 'lol'
[Sun Aug 07 23:28:34 2011] Loly tells you, 'I do meta-troll at times, but you'll never know when I am'
[Sun Aug 07 23:28:44 2011] Loly tells you, 'but on this, I am not, I assure you.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm very "in-tune" with other guilds communication methods'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:09 2011] You told Loly, 'loly i know about the vents lol, sometimes the pull team uses one, and sometimes the officers debrief in one'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'nah, they spend a lot of time in the one I'm talking about'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:28 2011] You told Loly, 'sometimes cliques chill in them'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:42 2011] Loly tells you, 'that's what I love about my guild, no cliques'
[Sun Aug 07 23:29:52 2011] Loly tells you, 'you're either in or you're out'
[Sun Aug 07 23:30:42 2011] Loly tells you, 'Gonna say rite now'
[Sun Aug 07 23:30:55 2011] Loly tells you, 'Never revealed to any TR member how much I know in that regard'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:02 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm sure you'll do with it as you please'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'Might even get you some brownie points'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:42 2011] You told Loly, 'lol loly, you're not the only one keeping tabs on the other side ^^'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know what you guys do ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:31:56 2011] Loly tells you, 'Just popped another account today'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:03 2011] Loly tells you, 'I always suspected it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:12 2011] Loly tells you, 'but they cautioned me against it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'Here's something noone knows'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'The person hacking TMO's boards as Durison is also the person stealing a bunch of people's accounts.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:42 2011] You told Loly, 'i'm of the opinion that tmo has 4-7 active TR, and that TR has 3-5 active TMO'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'll level with you man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:32:59 2011] Loly tells you, 'I don't have ppl in your guild'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'Honestly'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'Not in your guild, not on your forums'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'So sleep tight'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'I get accused of it all the time'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:31 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm just a great meta-troll'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'It works so well that people attribute all sorts of qualities to me that I do not posesss'
[Sun Aug 07 23:33:57 2011] You told Loly, 'eh.. we set traps sometimes.. they invariably get triggered'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:15 2011] Loly tells you, 'I mean, you guys are EQ ppl'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'We are straight up computer people that run our site'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'I've tracked down multiple VPNs your people use to log in'
[Sun Aug 07 23:34:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'one was even tied to someone who has been compromising EQEmu accounts on p1999'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'No shit.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'I've got huge forum lists of IPs of VPNs ppl have connected from'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:25 2011] You told Loly, 'well i support any action on your part to ban people from eqemu community who hack/cheat'
[Sun Aug 07 23:35:36 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm working on it man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'I hope we can be the cure to the scourge of this server;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:18 2011] You told Loly, 'there may be a lot of lies flying around, but anyone who hacks or cheat for real is fucked imho, and the general knowledge in TR is that nobody does so. I applaud you if you can prove different.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:28 2011] Loly tells you, 'dude...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:29 2011] You told Loly, 'TR is hardly the scourge of this server bro'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:32 2011] Loly tells you, 'you know that's not true'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:37 2011] You told Loly, 'no, i don't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:41 2011] Loly tells you, 'man.. I know some of your people...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:56 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have so much shit I could tell you right now that I would get in trouble for saying'
[Sun Aug 07 23:36:58 2011] You told Loly, 'nobody i know cheats or anything shady'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'Like two boxing?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:08 2011] You told Loly, 'who?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'or ShowEQ?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:11 2011] You told Loly, 'who?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'I cannot say man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:17 2011] You told Loly, 'there you go'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:21 2011] Loly tells you, 'these are under investigation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't talk about shit currently being investigated.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'Or it's no longer an investigation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:46 2011] You told Loly, 'well i hope that the investigations turn up that you're high, but if they don't then i applaud your efforts'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:54 2011] Loly tells you, 'I assure you man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:37:58 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you think you know about TR'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'you're just wrong...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:08 2011] You told Loly, 'i can just tell you that if it's going on, it's well hidden'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'You must not be talking to the right people'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:18 2011] Loly tells you, 'Of course it is!'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:22 2011] You told Loly, 'lol man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:24 2011] Loly tells you, 'That is why they have the private core vent!'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:28 2011] Loly tells you, 'do you not get it? ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:40 2011] You told Loly, 'all i can say is prove it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:40 2011] Loly tells you, 'man serious'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't ;op'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:53 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'll be ramrodding so many ppl'
[Sun Aug 07 23:38:59 2011] You told Loly, 'until then it's your word vs theirs, and i trust them more so :P'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you don't trust me, then you don't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:06 2011] Loly tells you, 'and that's fine with me'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'I will not disclose sources to make you believe me'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'I couldn't care less what you believe'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:33 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm just trying to level with you man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:49 2011] You told Loly, 'people have been saying ib/tr hack/cheat/gm-hack etc. since 2009 bro'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:54 2011] Loly tells you, 'lol'
[Sun Aug 07 23:39:58 2011] Loly tells you, 'but they never had proof ;)'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:13 2011] You told Loly, 'i've been with this crew since then except a couple months doing time in DA, where i saw actual blatant cheating'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'You're asking me to help you with math and don't realize you did that because you recognize me as the most intelligent person to contact about that ;p'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:35 2011] You told Loly, 'many times, and in their forums they encouraged it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:46 2011] Loly tells you, 'dude, if I ever saw that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:40:52 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'd fucking end this right now'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:00 2011] Loly tells you, 'they are all upstanding players as far as I've seen'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:04 2011] You told Loly, 'well it happened in the past, i cannot speak for it now'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'in all our private shit there has been no talk of real cheating'
[Sun Aug 07 23:41:40 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm sure Kins has posted to you that Alkorin thing where he petitioned that he was able to click any item in inventory, TWICE, in petitions forum.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'and he had petitioned twice about it, once months ago, and now again recently'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:22 2011] Loly tells you, 'All sorts of ways you can paint someone as bad people'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'we've also turned in people from our guild to the GMs who have admitted to RMT'
[Sun Aug 07 23:42:52 2011] Loly tells you, 'No quarry'
[Sun Aug 07 23:44:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'Here's the thing, they try to act like good people. Especially Xzerion, the truth is'
[Sun Aug 07 23:44:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'They are just conceited little bitches'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:05 2011] Loly tells you, 'We aren't here to make the entire server suffer'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'You've seen we have mobs we just don't care about'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:20 2011] Loly tells you, 'We'd do the same for other guilds as well'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:32 2011] You told Loly, 'dude if you want to keep up a civil relationship, i ask you not to use such inflammatory language about my friends'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'Dude, what do I say?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:45:50 2011] Loly tells you, 'Other than the truth?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:04 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have a thousand things I can't say'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:08 2011] Loly tells you, 'Cause it'll out ppl'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:09 2011] You told Loly, 'instead of saying that xzerion is a conceited little bitch, talk about his specific actions which you take issue with'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:22 2011] Loly tells you, 'OK'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:25 2011] You told Loly, 'quickfingers is a faggot who rapes children'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:25 2011] Loly tells you, 'Lets do one'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'After the Trak thing'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:32 2011] You told Loly, 'just because i say it doesn't make it so'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:37 2011] Loly tells you, 'every TR officer asked who was FTE'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:43 2011] Loly tells you, 'this was donalsbtw'
[Sun Aug 07 23:46:53 2011] Loly tells you, 'Then Xzerion logs on next day'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:02 2011] Loly tells you, 'gets perun to get amelinda into Daltheb's vent'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:09 2011] Loly tells you, 'and then xzerion btiches at her about'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'he made the first to 15 rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'and she needs to enfore it or she'll no longer be a guide'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:31 2011] Loly tells you, 'guess what? she quit.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:39 2011] You told Loly, 'if you don't like the rules as they stand, lobby to get them changed. i don't like them either and i will agree with you publically'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:48 2011] Loly tells you, 'O'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm tryin'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:54 2011] You told Loly, 'xzerion didnt make the first to 15 rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:47:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'It doesn't detract from the fact'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:06 2011] You told Loly, 'that's horse shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:15 2011] Loly tells you, 'that perun got amel into daltheb's vent to tell her how to rule on the situation'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:20 2011] You told Loly, 'that rule was agreed upon by the council of guild leaders in 2010'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:23 2011] Loly tells you, 'Obviously you weren't there for that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:35 2011] You told Loly, 'i was briefed about it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:39 2011] Loly tells you, 'No Xzerion made that rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:48 2011] You told Loly, 'amelinda made a wrong call according to the rules, as far as i understand it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:52 2011] You told Loly, 'no, he didn't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:48:58 2011] You told Loly, 'whoever told you that is lying'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:05 2011] You told Loly, 'i was there for that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:06 2011] Loly tells you, 'you think 15 of the best geared players on the server can take trak?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:12 2011] You told Loly, 'no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:16 2011] You told Loly, 'maybe 20'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:19 2011] Loly tells you, 'so why did they play that rule against us?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:29 2011] You told Loly, 'because those are the standing rules of the server'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:40 2011] Loly tells you, 'nah, cause those are Xz's rules'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:42 2011] Loly tells you, 'In fact'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:47 2011] You told Loly, 'and when we have to contend with 80 people at trak, we're going to pull out every gun we have'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'that trak ruling was made 3d later'
[Sun Aug 07 23:49:56 2011] You told Loly, 'that is not xzerion's rule lol'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:02 2011] Loly tells you, 'after the ruling had already been made, after TR ppl asked who was FTE'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:05 2011] You told Loly, 'you're full of shit with that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:06 2011] Loly tells you, 'but you know what happened?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:09 2011] Loly tells you, 'Xz came in'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:11 2011] Loly tells you, 'and was like'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:15 2011] You told Loly, 'it was a wrong ruling loly'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'I made up the first to 15 rule'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:23 2011] You told Loly, 'the rules as posted were not followed'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:29 2011] Loly tells you, 'you need to count ppl in spawnpoint'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you guys were right, tell me where Amelinda is?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'She quit over that shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:58 2011] You told Loly, 'that's unfortunate, but ultimately her choice'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:11 2011] You told Loly, 'i really like amelinda and hope she comes back'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:13 2011] Loly tells you, 'cause she couldn't deal with the guilt tripping'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:18 2011] You told Loly, 'but she made a wrong call as per the posted rules'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:34 2011] You told Loly, 'otherwise uthgaard would have told xz to go fly a kite'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'Your evidence showed nothing'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'She didn't telll him that cause...'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:49 2011] You told Loly, 'i'm not up on the evidence etc'
[Sun Aug 07 23:51:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'Her and Perun are friends'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:00 2011] You told Loly, 'uthgaard is a man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'I got logs of all of this btw, not gonna show em, but I know what's going on'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:17 2011] You told Loly, 'uthgaard is the one who ruled on the appeal'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:20 2011] Loly tells you, 'no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:27 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have logs of that too'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:30 2011] You told Loly, 'ok'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:30 2011] Loly tells you, 'from his perspective'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:43 2011] You told Loly, 'loly if what you're saying is true'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'they're on our forums'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:49 2011] You told Loly, 'listen'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:54 2011] You told Loly, 'if what you're saying is true'
[Sun Aug 07 23:52:58 2011] You told Loly, 'then why play here?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'I get so much pleasure from winning against the odds.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:28 2011] You told Loly, 'if we really have GM's holding mobs helpless and then the members HACK to kill them, why even play here?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:28 2011] Loly tells you, 'Every time I beat you while being aware of the corruption'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:34 2011] Loly tells you, 'I feel that much more accomplished.'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:40 2011] You told Loly, 'if what you say is true, you would never beat us'
[Sun Aug 07 23:53:51 2011] Loly tells you, 'that's the thing, we are, because TR can't hang'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'you got like 2/7 traks?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:02 2011] You told Loly, 'if we really have GMs abusing power and hacking on top of thatk, an honest guild would never win'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:08 2011] You told Loly, 'no'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:14 2011] You told Loly, 'we got like 30/35 traks'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:14 2011] Loly tells you, 'and one of the traks you pulled BS shit to get a donals bp'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:17 2011] Loly tells you, 'after ksing us on Sev'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:22 2011] Loly tells you, 'and telling us he dropped 2 loots'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:25 2011] You told Loly, 'convenient how u guys constantly forget that'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:27 2011] Loly tells you, 'I saw you kill him earlier'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:30 2011] Loly tells you, 'he dropped 4'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:47 2011] Loly tells you, 'So realllllly'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:55 2011] Loly tells you, 'Don't think you or anyone else fools me'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know all about you'
[Sun Aug 07 23:54:58 2011] You told Loly, 'ok man, your tin foil is blocking all my attempts to speak to you reasonably'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know all about _everyone_'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:07 2011] Loly tells you, 'People just come to me and tell me shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:08 2011] You told Loly, 'you obviously don't'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:12 2011] You told Loly, 'you know what you''
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:18 2011] You told Loly, 'you know what you've been told'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:22 2011] You told Loly, 'and you believe it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:25 2011] You told Loly, 'like a kid'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:26 2011] Loly tells you, 'haha not quite'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:29 2011] You told Loly, 'whatever man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:34 2011] Loly tells you, 'I have more info than what, "I've been told''
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:38 2011] You told Loly, 'i had thought you were a reasoned man'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:41 2011] Loly tells you, 'I am'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'you are not being'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:49 2011] You told Loly, 'your conspiracy theories say otherwise'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:50 2011] Loly tells you, 'I can't show you this'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:54 2011] You told Loly, 'good day sir'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'you are the biggest mouthed person on the server'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:07 2011] Loly tells you, 'the shit I will reveal will all come at once'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:18 2011] Loly tells you, 'I'm not into piecemealing it'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:18 2011] You told Loly, 'right, we're all gm's who also hack, and yet you win at a couple traks even through our gm hacks'
[Sun Aug 07 23:56:20 2011] You told Loly, 'rofl'
Just so everyone understands the context of this conversation..

I was asked to join a crypt group by some scrub rogue, who I asked several questions to about the group. I had accepted the invite, and paid money to get out there, only to have this jackoff get all pissy with me and tell me not to come (after I was in TT) because he didn't like the fact that I wouldn't join his group blindly. He had told me that two TMO were in his group, so I sent a tell to Loly, who has been civil and level-headed with me in the past.

Apparently, he is off his meds.

This quote starts off just after he told me some nasty things some TMO member (who has never had any actual interaction with me) said about me.

I kept trying to be civil, but at a certain point, I'd had enough of his bullshit.

You guys keep believing that we're all GM's or have friends that are GM's who hold mobs helpless for us, then the rest of us use hacks to kill the helpless mob instead of just killing it. Then you believe that even with these GM friends and hax, that you can still get a mob. That's the best part. Somehow, your zerg of 80 people that kill trak with only 4 left alive are now so skilled that you beat GM's with HAX to a kill.

That is an awesome belief, and I fully support it.

I mean seriously, you fucking nincompoops, in your future tinfoil conspiracies: either we have GM favoritism or we hack. Not both. Make up your minds.

[TR Spokesman]

Just so everyone understands the context of this conversation..

I was asked to join a crypt group by some scrub rogue, who I asked several questions to about the group. I had accepted the invite, and paid money to get out there, only to have this jackoff get all pissy with me and tell me not to come (after I was in TT) because he didn't like the fact that I wouldn't join his group blindly. He had told me that two TMO were in his group, so I sent a tell to Loly, who has been civil and level-headed with me in the past.

Apparently, he is off his meds.

This quote starts off just after he told me some nasty things some TMO member (who has never had any actual interaction with me) said about me.

I kept trying to be civil, but at a certain point, I'd had enough of his bullshit.

You guys keep believing that we're all GM's or have friends that are GM's who hold mobs helpless for us, then the rest of us use hacks to kill the helpless mob instead of just killing it. Then you believe that even with these GM friends and hax, that you can still get a mob. That's the best part. Somehow, your zerg of 80 people that kill trak with only 4 left alive are now so skilled that you beat GM's with HAX to a kill.

That is an awesome belief, and I fully support it.

I mean seriously, you fucking nincompoops, in your future tinfoil conspiracies: either we have GM favoritism or we hack. Not both. Make up your minds.

obviously or non-gm TR members are jealous, thus they hack to have similar powers.

[G13]

Thank you for finally pointing out the trolling. Why couldnt you do that in the first place and skip this whole dance. You know why people said the things they did about it? Its because the thread started as another TMO/TR thread that people are so tired of. Theres so many of them and they are all mindless stupidity.

That is why I defended the people I associate myself with yes. Because thats where this thread started -> and went to in a hurry. And Gee, what was I thinking, who would ever think Bronson might hating on a large portion of people who make up TR.

Where could I ever have gotten that from?

Based on your history - and where this thread started, I made an assumption.

Yes I was wrong, yes I admit it - you personally were not aiming anything at TR, and I apologize.

You are a very angry fella.

Fuck you

[Messianic]

So Darth Vader is actually Luke's Dad?

OMG

[Fourthmeal]

so much drama in the club

[Slathar]

Just so everyone understands the context of this conversation..

I was asked to join a crypt group by some scrub rogue, who I asked several questions to about the group. I had accepted the invite, and paid money to get out there, only to have this jackoff get all pissy with me and tell me not to come (after I was in TT) because he didn't like the fact that I wouldn't join his group blindly. He had told me that two TMO were in his group, so I sent a tell to Loly, who has been civil and level-headed with me in the past.

Apparently, he is off his meds.

This quote starts off just after he told me some nasty things some TMO member (who has never had any actual interaction with me) said about me.

I kept trying to be civil, but at a certain point, I'd had enough of his bullshit.

You guys keep believing that we're all GM's or have friends that are GM's who hold mobs helpless for us, then the rest of us use hacks to kill the helpless mob instead of just killing it. Then you believe that even with these GM friends and hax, that you can still get a mob. That's the best part. Somehow, your zerg of 80 people that kill trak with only 4 left alive are now so skilled that you beat GM's with HAX to a kill.

That is an awesome belief, and I fully support it.

I mean seriously, you fucking nincompoops, in your future tinfoil conspiracies: either we have GM favoritism or we hack. Not both. Make up your minds.

IB and TR have both had members who have done illegal things. You also have a developer as a guild leader. There is no disputing either of these facts.

Stefen was banned for duping. Virtuosus admitted to using ShowEQ and wasn't booted. These aren't speculations, they're facts.

As for the rest, you're all so pathetically entrenched in video games none of it would surprise me.

[Alarti0001]

I kept trying to be civil, but at a certain point, I'd had enough of his bullshit.

That's the best part. Somehow, your zerg of 80 people that kill trak with only 4 left alive are now [

This is 100% true.... (am I doing it right?)

[Tiggles]

This thread will never beat mine, just stop it

[Tiggles]

[Sun Aug 07 23:46:25 2011] You told Loly, 'quickfingers is a faggot who rapes children'

Hasbinbad I told you that in confidence

[Fromage]

[Sun Aug 07 23:50:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you guys were right, tell me where Amelinda is?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'She quit over that shit'

If this is true, both guilds are a piece of shit for making this happen with your endless bickering faggotry.

[Nivar Quartz]

[Sun Aug 07 23:54:57 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know all about you'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:01 2011] Loly tells you, 'I know all about _everyone_'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:07 2011] Loly tells you, 'People just come to me and tell me shit'
[Sun Aug 07 23:55:08 2011] You told Loly, 'you obviously don't'


High comedy, +100 troll or you missed your zoloft the entire month.

[Spud]

http://plus4chan.org/b/mspa/src/130194512580.jpg

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

For the sake of argument Hasbinbad, with the understanding of course there are conspiracy theories and all that, why not both?

[Seaweedpimp]

So then you're just crying like a little bitch. Makes sense. I don't give a fuck about your guild drama or what guild you want to White Knight for. I don't care if you want to camp trak for 3 days. I don't care if you shit in a sock. My concern is some asshole is out there hacking/stealing personal/private information from people that play on this EMU server. Downplaying that to defend a guild is part of the problem. Not the solution. accusing a guild of doing without sufficient evidence is part of the problem. Not the solution. Can you stop fucking whining now you little faggot?



What guild is Barkingturtle in? Do I care? No. I made no mention of names or guilds or anything. You are the one making this a personal issue and being an emo blood drenched douchebag about it. Take your clown shoes off.



Another



Have a nice day dickface



Rofl need a new mop sir?

[Skope]

[Sun Aug 07 23:50:38 2011] Loly tells you, 'If you guys were right, tell me where Amelinda is?'
[Sun Aug 07 23:50:45 2011] Loly tells you, 'She quit over that shit'

If this is true, both guilds are a piece of shit for making this happen with your endless bickering faggotry.

i must have skipped over this part... confirm or deny?

also... why are the GMs being such fucking pussies about this? when will the staff here learn that these dumb idiots will never grow up and treat them like the children they are.

Petition regarding raid mob? Despawn it, kick them out of the zone.

Happens again? Give them a raiding time out for 2-3 weeks.

Uthgaard, remember when you told me that these were your rules and yadda yadda yadda? Can we get a little enforcement and some heavy-handed bitch-slapping. I think it's time you start living up to that reputation you once had (of all people for me to be saying this must mean a little something)

[Glitch]

This is like a 7/10 thread. Keep going!

[bakkily]

only reason they would move this out of the main forums is due to they (guinie, the only moderator?) anyways so i guess so the noobies here wont read about this shit?!? but yea dramas always entertaining, though i dont get why so many of you --- take this emulator so serious, now if it helped you make some extra bit of $$$ and thats not against p99 policy, i understand, though ive heard that some people are managing to make a little extra green paper around here

[Envious]

Rais, as far as that trak where TR was said to have 15 to engage... we went over this in the other thread, but I'll sum it up for you.

The number of 15 players is a bare minimum used so you cant hold a camp with say, 1 group. That group of 15 players, also has to be able to kill the mob. Currently there are no 15 single players that can kill trak. So the 15 person rule does not apply. Or should not, but it was forced down Amelinda's throat by your guild.

Now, going from that, you say "oh, we had enough there to kill it", so did the other guild, TMO. Since 15 ppl are not able to kill trak, and there was not a clear pic of a raid capable of killing trak on the spawn point (which is retarded, cause who is to say which person was OMG CLOSE ENOUGH to spawn to be camping it...), then you go to FTE. Which is what Amelinda based her ruling on when the event occurred.

As far as GM corruption / favoritism, if you have GM favoritism, then there is almost no reason not to 2 box / MQ / SEQ...

And having a dev for a player, much less a guild leader is fucking absurd. Gives server shit for legitimacy.

[Dravingar]

IB and TR have both had members who have done illegal things. You also have a developer as a guild leader. There is no disputing either of these facts.

Stefen was banned for duping. Virtuosus admitted to using ShowEQ and wasn't booted. These aren't speculations, they're facts.

As for the rest, you're all so pathetically entrenched in video games none of it would surprise me.

You forgot about Trystych too and let's get a rumor going as to why I'm not around anymore? Hacks? Dupes? RMT? It's choose your own adventure.

[Hasbinbad]

The number of 15 players is a bare minimum used so you cant hold a camp with say, 1 group. That group of 15 players, also has to be able to kill the mob. Currently there are no 15 single players that can kill trak. So the 15 person rule does not apply.
Why not? Where is the rule that says the fifteen person rule does not apply if [insertyourreasonhere]?
Or should not, but it was forced down Amelinda's throat by your guild.
Your rhetoric is stale bro. We didn't force anything down anyone's throat. We asked that the posted rules be adhered to.
Now, going from that
Going from what? Your imaginary bullshit fantasy about how you think this server should be run? ROFL. You can't "go on" from this because you're starting from a base of smoke and mirrors.
you say "oh, we had enough there to kill it", so did the other guild, TMO. Since 15 ppl are not able to kill trak, and there was not a clear pic of a raid capable of killing trak on the spawn point (which is retarded, cause who is to say which person was OMG CLOSE ENOUGH to spawn to be camping it...), then you go to FTE. Which is what Amelinda based her ruling on when the event occurred.
This is just more of your fantasyland jive. The fifteen person rule is stupid; that much at least we can agree on, but that is the posted rule. Lobby to have this rule changed to something reasonable, and i will support you publicly, but don't bitch and moan when the posted rules are not in your favor. Play by the rules, or have them changed legitimately.
As far as GM corruption / favoritism, if you have GM favoritism, then there is almost no reason not to 2 box / MQ / SEQ...
Which is exactly why all of the conspiracy theories are bullshit. Even if we used either of these methods, do you think anyone else would get anything ever? Fucking no. The proof that TR doesn't have pocket GM's or use cheats is TMO getting Trakanons. Yet still we are accosted at every turn with these baseless and obviously idiotic accusations.
And having a dev for a player, much less a guild leader is fucking absurd. Gives server shit for legitimacy.
You're entitled to your opinion about Xzerion being both a developer and a player, Nilbog is entitled to his. I'm just glad Nilbog's opinion is the only option that holds any water in this case. If Xz didn't play on p99 he probably wouldn't spend the time developing. If he didn't devlop, things would move slower. There is no powers Xz has on the p99 server in any case, he edits things on a completely different test server, and everything he is allowed to do outside of the role of a player is passed through the other devs/gm's. He has absolutely no power on p99 to do anything you or I cannot do, so shut the fuck up about it already.

[Brad_mo123]

I wish to apologize to all of TMO about what I have done. I have hacked your forums and have taken all of the real life pictures of all of your female players and did many naughty... dirty... unthinkable things with them. I didnt mean for it to go this far nore did I expect to get caught. I deeply apologize but im keeping the fucking nudes!

[TR Spokesman]

The fifteen person rule is stupid; that much at least we can agree on, but that is the posted rule. Lobby to have this rule changed to something reasonable, and i will support you publicly, but don't bitch and moan when the posted rules are not in your favor. Play by the rules, or have them changed legitimately.



A stupid rule we used to get phat loots, BITCHES!

[Haul]

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/spy.jpg

hahaha

[Grahm]

I wish to apologize to all of TMO about what I have done. I have hacked your forums and have taken all of the real life pictures of all of your female players and did many naughty... dirty... unthinkable things with them. I didnt mean for it to go this far nore did I expect to get caught. I deeply apologize but im keeping the fucking nudes!

[neverquest]

A stupid rule we used to get phat loots, BITCHES!

[Evilmog]

Just because anyone can revive old dead threads I will.

Yes some people in TR had (prolly still have)access to the TMO boards. I made some ghost accounts prior to my departure. You prolly still can't see them, can you?

I told Alkorin PHP was garbage to begin with but whatever.

If anyone wants to know what goes behind the scenes on the TMO boards toss me a PM.

That said I'm taking another 4 month hiatus from these boards.

[Alkorin]

Probably wouldn't even have caught you if kuahara hadn't logged in and posted something. Oops.

[Tiggles]

We told Slaymore he had to reapp to TMO and he threw a giant hissy fit and tried to delete our mallet alts.

Slaymore is a faggot