Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth -Allowing triggered spawns

[DatGrump]

Just curious if GMs have ever considered allowing a triggered spawn for Magi for more chances at Staff of Elemental Mastery: Earth? I mean mages are pretty restricted to CoTH bots and most dont have their epic due to this choke point.

Thoughts?

[Swish]

Part of the classic experience.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You don't need Mage Epic to farm greens in Droga, CoTH bot, or make mod rods.

[DatGrump]

You don't need Mage Epic to farm greens in Droga, CoTH bot, or make mod rods.

Im dead LOL

[branamil]

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[Reiwa]

Little bit of a vending machine, little bit of a slot machine.

[CrazyPro]

GMs can't do that, only the devs, and they sure won't.

[loramin]

Part of the classic experience.

Except major aspects of being a mage (eg. pet chaining) isn't classic either. Similarly, neither is the Hate safe spot, or one player monopolizing Mage epics for years.

Let's not pretend our existing system is classic ... when it isn't.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Except major aspects of being a mage (eg. pet chaining) isn't classic either. Similarly, neither is the Hate safe spot, or one player monopolizing Mage epics for years.

Let's not pretend our existing system is classic ... when it isn't.

P99 is more classic than all other EQ servers on the market.

The original source code is lost, so we will never have a 100% classic server.

Nor can you expect people to play P99 the same way people played in 1999.

[Ripqozko]

get a DA ear and ring, your real epic. most mages with epics are trash

[red_demonman]

Really the drop rate just needs to be fixed, it is non-classic. I was a mage main during live and this was not the bottleneck for any mages (the sky crown was).

[Swish]

Really the drop rate just needs to be fixed, it is non-classic. I was a mage main during live and this was not the bottleneck for any mages (the sky crown was).

If you can prove the drop rate is wrong with a decent source I'm sure they'd change it.

[CrazyPro]

P99 is more classic than all other EQ servers on the market.

The original source code is lost, so we will never have a 100% classic server.

Nor can you expect people to play P99 the same way people played in 1999.

If you mean 'classic' as in era accurate, I feel like TAKP is way more accurate to it's era than p99 is.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you mean 'classic' as in era accurate, I feel like TAKP is way more accurate to it's era than p99 is.

I agree, but TAKP is lucky because they had a PoP era client they could decompile. That makes the job much easier to do.

P99 doesn't have a Velious era client they can decompile.

P99 is the most classic server on the market for the Classic -> Velious experience.

[CrazyPro]

I agree, but TAKP is lucky because they had a PoP era client they could decompile. That makes the job much easier to do.

P99 doesn't have a Velious era client they can decompile.

P99 is the most classic server on the market for the Classic -> Velious experience.

The TAKP folks already decompiled several 1999-2001 clients and Torven pieced together a timeline of changes he noticed in those clients. Oddly enough there was a lot of server-side logic buried in the Classic - Kunark clients, which I think stopped on one of the midway-through-Velious clients?

None of the info gathered from these decompiles has been used by the P99 devs.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The TAKP folks already decompiled several 1999-2001 clients and Torven pieced together a timeline of changes he noticed in those clients. Oddly enough there was a lot of server-side logic buried in the Classic - Kunark clients, which I think stopped on one of the midway-through-Velious clients?

None of the info gathered from these decompiles has been used by the P99 devs.

Torven didn't decompile those until around 2017 I think. So P99 was already well established by that point. It's crazy to think Green launched in 2019.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think that was Demonstar that did the decompiles actually. My bad.

[Totino]

a simple way to fix the toxicity of this camp would be to ban camping out in PoH. If you camp out or /q, go ld and survive, your char is moved to Sro or WC spires. Voilà

No more monopolizing of the spawn this way because anyone would need to come with a break group and fight in order to track

[WarpathEQ]

a simple way to fix the toxicity of this camp would be to ban camping out in PoH. If you camp out or /q, go ld and survive, your char is moved to Sro or WC spires. Voilà

No more monopolizing of the spawn this way because anyone would need to come with a break group and fight in order to track

That would be highly abusable to significantly de-risk entering/navigating the zone.

[Totino]

how?

[loramin]

a simple way to fix the toxicity of this camp would be to ban camping out in PoH. If you camp out or /q, go ld and survive, your char is moved to Sro or WC spires. Voilà

No more monopolizing of the spawn this way because anyone would need to come with a break group and fight in order to track

There is a much simpler solution: add a single common spawn point.

On Live, literally everyone (in any classic source I've ever seen) ported it up to hate, raided it, and went back down. Maybe a group hung out after a raid or something, but they ported out too. No one stayed, for a simple reason: respawn.

On p99 there is a safe spot with no respawn. That safe spot may or may not have existed on live (I've never seen classic evidence that it did) ... but even if it did, no one knew about it, and all gameplay in that zone revolved around not knowing.

If it's a question of adding one (maybe) unclassic mob and having the entire server actually play hate the way '99 players did ... vs. keeping the safe spot (that maybe didn't even exist in the original game) ... how can anyone argue that one mob isn't the more classic option.

Bring back the Hate of '99!

[WarpathEQ]

how?

You're giving a free escape hatch to de-risk an otherwise risky zone. Monks for example basically gain the ability to gate. You don't have to stand up and cast to be able to exit zone so you can survive virtually any scenario with an FD class, reset, and go back in. You could train the whole zone away from entry, abuse the mechanic for a safe exit and re-enter with a clear path from entrance to your intended destination. So now even non-FD classes can navigate the zone without the risks they face today. You could abuse it to turn historically dirty pulls into clean pulls by effectively having a permanent TL box up at all times.

And that's just initial impressions. Given enough time, thought, and creativity which this community has in spades and the use cases for abuse will dwarf any ideas I came up with in a few seconds.

[cd288]

There is a much simpler solution: add a single common spawn point.

On Live, literally everyone (in any classic source I've ever seen) ported it up to hate, raided it, and went back down. Maybe a group hung out after a raid or something, but they ported out too. No one stayed, for a simple reason: respawn.

On p99 there is a safe spot with no respawn. That safe spot may or may not have existed on live (I've never seen classic evidence that it did) ... but even if it did, no one knew about it, and all gameplay in that zone revolved around not knowing.

If it's a question of adding one (maybe) unclassic mob and having the entire server actually play hate the way '99 players did ... vs. keeping the safe spot (that maybe didn't even exist in the original game) ... how can anyone argue that one mob isn't the more classic option.

Bring back the Hate of '99!

Because the purpose of the server isn't to reflect what someone "remembers" their own "classic experience" being like on their server.

There's too much of a slippery slope there. The classic era was one of emergent behaviors and information filtering out over time. That's why everyone's experiences on their servers were so different at times from the experience someone else had on another server. Plus, when it came to raid information this information was typically even more closely guarded with some exceptions...so to your point, it's entirely possible this safe spot existed and a lot of guilds on a lot of servers didn't know about it, but a guild on another server may have and we would never know because they weren't posting it on forums because why would they?

I agree it would be great if there was a defined "classic experience" and the server could be adjusted towards that. But there's not really. Servers were different. Different techniques and degrees of knowledge on various things showed up at different times for different groups of people. Now, I think certainly by PoP this changed and most people knew quite a bit about the classic era expansions, but that's of course not the timeline we're emulating here.

[red_demonman]

Game mechanics will always be abused if they can be.

Ban the bad actors, don't change the game.

[branamil]

It's dead server anyways, might as well let people have their toys before you shut off the lights.

[Ripqozko]

mages with epics tend to be absolute trash, get a DA ear and ring. do something productive with your mage.

[aaezil]

mages with epics tend to be absolute trash, get a DA ear and ring. do something productive with your mage.

Ramen copes again ;)

[CrazyPro]

mages with epics tend to be absolute trash, get a DA ear and ring. do something productive with your mage.

This dude got dunked on by quad mages holding epics.

[Duik]

SomeoneSoundsTriggered

[Smoofers]

OP have you tried getting good? As much as we all love welfare pixels maybe you'd enjoy it more if you earned it.

[Jimjam]

mages with epics tend to be absolute trash, get a DA ear and ring. do something productive with your mage.

Spoken like someone who did not got.