Swarm Kiting Rats in PoM - impossible/possible?

[commongood]

Bard swarm kiting in PoM.

I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and could weigh in on the feasibility or lack thereof.

It seems like it would be very difficult as you are pulling through very narrow hallways and with no ideal place to actually perform the killing once you have the rats gathered. Though, I suppose, the "lava" pool in the rat maze could possibly work?

[WarpathEQ]

Not a PoM expert but feels like this would fit in the same category as CoM where its technically an outdoor zone but feels/plays more like a dungeon and therefore bard swarm kiting isn't allowed due to potential for zone disruption.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I've never seen a bard swarm kiting PoM rats, and I leveled two chars to 60 there. If you knew the layout really well, you probably could pull them into the lava pit room and kite them like you said. But I agree with WarpathEQ, this seems like zone disruption. Not sure if this is the case in 2026, but often times there would be at least 1 other person killing rats in the maze.

The thing about PoM rat maze is you need to move around to find kills, you aren't staying in one spot and pulling to it. So if someone else is killing rats, you aren't going to know where they are. This means it is easier to accidentally train someone who is fighting a rat, because there isn't a specific camp location you can purposely avoid.

[sammoHung]

It's doable in the lava room.. but as others have said there is a potential to be flagged for swarming in a dungeon area. They are on a 72 minute respawn, so you'd effectively be locking down most of the rat spawns in order to accomplish this - something that would definitely upset someone who happens to log in the middle of your swarm and see no (or little) rats available to them for the next 72-100 minutes.

[kjs86z2]

Bard swarm kiting in PoM.

I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and could weigh in on the feasibility or lack thereof.

It seems like it would be very difficult as you are pulling through very narrow hallways and with no ideal place to actually perform the killing once you have the rats gathered. Though, I suppose, the "lava" pool in the rat maze could possibly work?

if sugz can do HS west im sure you can do it

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1155754690

[Ripqozko]

Bard swarm kiting in PoM.

I was wondering if anyone has ever tried this and could weigh in on the feasibility or lack thereof.

It seems like it would be very difficult as you are pulling through very narrow hallways and with no ideal place to actually perform the killing once you have the rats gathered. Though, I suppose, the "lava" pool in the rat maze could possibly work?

just be careful, pom is on the dungeon list for ban for bard kite just for awareness.

[Mortdecai99]

I've seen people doing it, but it's technically illegal. I just moved on though. Even if they weren't swarming, the rat maze is only big enough for 1 person at a time, so it was basically the same as another chanter being there.

[commongood]

just be careful, pom is on the dungeon list for ban for bard kite just for awareness.

Right. I do remember reading something about this when I was reading up on what constitutes a camp. Is there an actual list or someplace you can read which technically outdoor zones are considered dungeons?

I've seen people doing it, but it's technically illegal. I just moved on though. Even if they weren't swarming, the rat maze is only big enough for 1 person at a time, so it was basically the same as another chanter being there.

Hmm, I think two (non-bards) could easily exp continuously on either side of the rat maze and not run out of mobs. When leveling my enchanter, shaman and druid there I found that I typically ran out of rats once a third person stepped into the maze.

I am in Europe and during my day-time on weekdays sometimes the zone is empty. That is when I would want to try it.

[Mortdecai99]

Right. I do remember reading something about this when I was reading up on what constitutes a camp. Is there an actual list or someplace you can read which technically outdoor zones are considered dungeons?



Hmm, I think two (non-bards) could easily exp continuously on either side of the rat maze and not run out of mobs. When leveling my enchanter, shaman and druid there I found that I typically ran out of rats once a third person stepped into the maze.

I am in Europe and during my day-time on weekdays sometimes the zone is empty. That is when I would want to try it.

I run out of rats on my 56 enchanter every time

[commongood]

I run out of rats on my 56 enchanter every time

My guess would be that you don't utilize the entire maze but I am happy to be proven wrong. Most mobs in PoM have a 70 minute (and not 72 as is a popular misconception) respawn time. If you on average spend 2 minutes pr rat kill (you may say that's a smidge high but that also has to take into account charm breaks and running + setting up for next rat pet etc.) then there would have to be fewer than 35 rats in total in the entire maze for you to run out before respawns. That's also assuming you have zero down time ever - which is completely unrealistic. Any added downtime means fewer than 35 rats if you actually are clearing the entire rat maze alone.

I have never actually counted (and I don't expect I can find the drive to do so) and I am not sure if 35 is a high or low number with regards to total number of rats. It doesn't seem way off but I really don't know.

It might be that I was doing it wrong on my chanter. My method was to charm a pet, send it in, use low-level slow on the target rat and/ epic to haste my pet to manage the hp of both so that they were getting low at more or less the same rate. Then when they were both low I would click goblin ring to break charm and use Dementia and/or Anarchy (to minimize mana used) to nuke both down, then repeat that.

[Mortdecai99]

My guess would be that you don't utilize the entire maze but I am happy to be proven wrong. Most mobs in PoM have a 70 minute (and not 72 as is a popular misconception) respawn time. If you on average spend 2 minutes pr rat kill (you may say that's a smidge high but that also has to take into account charm breaks and running + setting up for next rat pet etc.) then there would have to be fewer than 35 rats in total in the entire maze for you to run out before respawns. That's also assuming you have zero down time ever - which is completely unrealistic. Any added downtime means fewer than 35 rats if you actually are clearing the entire rat maze alone.

I have never actually counted (and I don't expect I can find the drive to do so) and I am not sure if 35 is a high or low number with regards to total number of rats. It doesn't seem way off but I really don't know.

It might be that I was doing it wrong on my chanter. My method was to charm a pet, send it in, use low-level slow on the target rat and/ epic to haste my pet to manage the hp of both so that they were getting low at more or less the same rate. Then when they were both low I would click goblin ring to break charm and use Dementia and/or Anarchy (to minimize mana used) to nuke both down, then repeat that.

I charm one of the invis men, give him torch and haste, use shiftless on the rats and no other spells takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill each rat. Heal pet with memblur every 5 or 6 rats... Kill the about 45 rats and every gnome I see. I'm probably missing a couple rats that I don't see in some corner, but it feels like all of them

Then I afk for 10 minutes for raspawn

[Mortdecai99]

I find that if you are killing twice as fast or a lot easier without trying to get full xp, it's better overall than messing with it.

You also don't have to try to get your pet to die at the same time anyway... Just back your pet off, memblur, nuke. If you do more damage than the pet after the nuke you get full xp and don't have to one shot it. Then on the next mob, you just break and charm the new guy buff him, and kill your old pet. New one should last a couple mobs and repeat. This gives you full xp on every mob with much less effort than your strategy and fixes the problem of all the rats being different levels

[sammoHung]

I charm one of the invis men, give him torch and haste, use shiftless on the rats and no other spells takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill each rat. Heal pet with memblur every 5 or 6 rats... Kill the about 45 rats and every gnome I see. I'm probably missing a couple rats that I don't see in some corner, but it feels like all of them

Then I afk for 10 minutes for raspawn

There are some rats that are tucked into random corners that you might have left up. I was duoing with a shaman as a tricked out monk, killing rats very fast - and we never ran out. We'd go for like 90 minutes straight, taking under a minute per kill.

Nevertheless, your strat is solid, and those extra few rats aren't worth turning 4 corners to find them lol

[commongood]

I charm one of the invis men, give him torch and haste, use shiftless on the rats and no other spells takes 45 seconds to a minute to kill each rat. Heal pet with memblur every 5 or 6 rats... Kill the about 45 rats and every gnome I see. I'm probably missing a couple rats that I don't see in some corner, but it feels like all of them

Then I afk for 10 minutes for raspawn

That's a cool strat. Unsure which is more effective as each kill yields half the amount of exp. Would be fun to experiment and look at like exp gained pr hour or something like that.