New Server Rule Proposal for Scout Roll

[eisenfaust]

If you roll at Scout Charisa you should be required to stay and help. It is happening sometimes that the winner is left just standing there with no one to help. A rule in place would help to stop this from happening.

[loramin]

The forum is a good place to discuss something like this, but ultimately player agreements are decided by the players in-game.

If you want to make this change, get to the roll early and talk to people. Explain why you think the new roll rules are better, and convince them to agree to them (if everyone else does).

Do that over the course of a few weeks, and eventually you can (hopefully) convince everyone: if you do, those rules officially apply to that roll (because there's a rule about not defrauding other players: if you all agree to something, you're held to it). Then, you just have to keep it up for a few weeks more, and eventually the new rules will become the "official" roll rules.

(It's a hassle, but that's more or less how every player agreement on the server has been set.)

[sammoHung]

I thought part of the agreement was to stay and help? Maybe we can start a running forum post of the scummers who /q when they don't win the roll.

The fight is short. If you don't want to stay and help just grab a SoW and kite the giants to DN.

[Jimjam]

Amazing how people have the time to roll, being sure nothing would come up if they won it, yet when they don't win the roll, something is sure to have 'just come up', right?

That is just the tip of the iceberg of how people seem to be really good at finding reasons they should roll, but also why they shouldn't help.

The encounter is very easy, it can be done with a low level tank and minimal healing, but people will gatekeep their help for arbitary irrelevant reasons - I've seen people get refused help because the winner was 'too low' and then the winner goes on to tank the mob and get the loot... how can you be too low for a loot which you can make a valid succesful attempt at tanking?!

[kjs86z2]

ive /q'd on about 20 scout rolls

[sammoHung]

NGL - if i was rolling against 10 rogue bots id probably q out too.

[Swish]

I propose to start a shortlist of people who log out instead of helping and definitely note the guild tags.

[aborebard]

I believe most people do; I have seen it where people would have to wait 30mins to an hour for a kill force. I honestly don't blame people if they have to bail after 30mins.

[Knuckle]

I havent rolled on scout in a few years but most rollers stuck around, people being dicks now?

[sammoHung]

I havent rolled on scout in a few years but most rollers stuck around, people being dicks now?

Well I hear there's at least 1 guild that is awarding DKP for winning scout roll on bots.

So I imagine either
a) the bot players /q after no bots win
b) the non-bot players /q after a bot wins

I q'd on a scout roll once when a naked 55 ranger won. I'm not helping assholes gear their 15th alt.

[WarpathEQ]

Given that they changed scout on Green down to 46 (GMs with NO player agreement, as in it was voted on and unanimously turned down and they change it anyway) the scout roll numbers have ballooned to typically 40-50 people at the scout roll.

The captain can be killed with 3-4 people so I don't really care much if some people dip out. There is typically 10x the number of people that stay to fight that actually need to kill him.

I wouldn't waste your time or get all worked up about people that don't really matter leaving. What I would do is call it out in public, take note of who they are, and encourage EVERYONE to leave when they win the roll :)

[kjs86z2]

its not a big deal til you win and everyone /qs

[Goregasmic]

its not a big deal til you win and everyone /qs

I liked the story where it was 2 guys at the angry goblin roll and the loser /q'ed.

[orangefrog]

That half the rollers that show up these days are DKP rogue bots has made something that was already terrible even worse. Level 60 mains can't progress their characters because these rogue bots 'need' a few extra stat points to survive Tunare and AoW bot zerg? They have maxed str with shaman buffs anyways--its a complete waste and just griefing normal players.

It's getting out of hand. Raise the level requirement back up and stop letting bots ruin it. I'd prefer the clickfest to a 50-man roll off at this point.

[Goregasmic]

That half the rollers that show up these days are DKP rogue bots has made something that was already terrible even worse. Level 60 mains can't progress their characters because these rogue bots 'need' a few extra stat points to survive Tunare and AoW bot zerg? They have maxed str with shaman buffs anyways--its a complete waste and just griefing normal players.

It's getting out of hand. Raise the level requirement back up and stop letting bots ruin it. I'd prefer the clickfest to a 50-man roll off at this point.

Yeah, can't say I wasn't annoyed to see all the wizard bots queue up in TOFS during the already super crowded xmas event.

[sammoHung]

That half the rollers that show up these days are DKP rogue bots has made something that was already terrible even worse. Level 60 mains can't progress their characters because these rogue bots 'need' a few extra stat points to survive Tunare and AoW bot zerg? They have maxed str with shaman buffs anyways--its a complete waste and just griefing normal players.

It's getting out of hand. Raise the level requirement back up and stop letting bots ruin it. I'd prefer the clickfest to a 50-man roll off at this point.

Yep. And as Gore said it was the same deal over the holiday event. It's the same hardcore no-lifers that scum their guild's DKP system by repeating these types of quests on fuckin BOTS that will be piloted by some AFK player who will die anyway.

Green is dead.