Plane of Hate

[jessemurray72888]

Hello all,
Been trying to figure out spawn times of PoHate mini bosses for epics and just guild raiding fun, turns out its mainly camped, and people are for example MQing the ranger epic stone for 160k plat...... Seems like we should maybe instance this zone per guild like once a week or something? a thought. Any one share this view?

[chillybob]

if you want instances, this is not the place to be

[jessemurray72888]

You say that. but for this place. Plane of Hate is used for Epics. There is no place or game where your forced to use in game currency to buy your epic piece. So maybe I'm in the place to be, but what's also not a place to be, is being forced to pay 160k for a stone. I'm not the only person. there are hundreds of us. I'm just bringing it up. There are guilds that raids often or want for that content, should not have to compete or pay in game currency. Thank you for your opinion :-D

[chillybob]

so then, learn the zone and compete instead of asking for instances ;)

[jessemurray72888]

Thank you for your opinion.

[kjs86z2]

welcome to p99

either compete for FTE or farm plat and buy MQ

[sammoHung]

Jesse, this is the state of these servers. There is one infamous player who has been camping Plane of Hate minis every spawn for the last 6 years on Green - and many more years on Blue before that.

Now that they are not considered raid mobs, and you don't have to zone back in when minis spawn - there is a group of players that have camped every spawn for the last year.

One player person camps Lodizal every day and has been for years - you'll see them auctioning Boots, Belt and Shield regularly. One person camps Stormfeather every day and has been for years - you'll see them auctioning Loot Rights to map piece. One player camps AC every day and has been for years - you'll see them auction Jboots MQ regularly. A few players camp Fungi King regularly and have been for years. Etc, etc, etc.

I think it's a sign of the times. Especially online, people have moved away from larger community and working together in favor of greed and perceived riches or wealth. The spirit of the server is not to work together to achieve - it is to take from others what they would take from you. Parallel to the rest of the internet.

The golden era of EQ, MMOs and Online discourse in general is over. We are in post-modern, mid-societal collapse internet era. It's ugly out there.

Your three options are:
1) Beat em
2) Join em
3) Don't play p99

[Castle2.0]

Use some of the stack of plat you accumulated since release, or, if no plat, sell one of the many manastones you camped at release and buy it.

EZ.

[Jimjam]

Nobody needs epics / manastones / lodi / etc.

[Gustoo]

Play red I know its dumb but it is actually better. Sadly.

[BradZax]

Thank you for your opinion.

I wouldn't want to fight him either.

[Trungep99]

Play blue, server population lower, less competition

[onmove_broke]

Let me guess...GG or Kingdom has this locked down

[onmove_broke]

You say that. but for this place. Plane of Hate is used for Epics. There is no place or game where your forced to use in game currency to buy your epic piece. So maybe I'm in the place to be, but what's also not a place to be, is being forced to pay 160k for a stone. I'm not the only person. there are hundreds of us. I'm just bringing it up. There are guilds that raids often or want for that content, should not have to compete or pay in game currency. Thank you for your opinion :-D

It should then be a draft pick or something like that. It's stupid that one guild gets to monetize this

[kjs86z2]

rotate hate 2026

[Ennewi]

3.0 revamp.

[sammoHung]

Let me guess...GG or Kingdom has this locked down

Nope. Diddlydee is still at it, and there's a small group of Castle players that is perma camped there

[loramin]

Jesse, this is the state of these servers. There is one infamous player who has been camping Plane of Hate minis every spawn for the last 6 years on Green - and many more years on Blue before that.

And he's a two-boxing cheater (I personally have seen him 2-box many times) ... but for some odd reason he's never been banned.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it does shock me that the staff lets him monopolize Hate while flagrantly cheating.

[Elijah850]

The cure for all our woes is Project 1999 Gold Server 2026 :eek:

[CrazyPro]

And he's a two-boxing cheater (I personally have seen him 2-box many times) ... but for some odd reason he's never been banned.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it does shock me that the staff lets him monopolize Hate while flagrantly cheating.

There's an astronomically thin chance that Diddlydee is just a Daybreak employee making easy money that the staff can't ban else they'd break the agreement but it'd be reaaaally funny if that was the case.

Unfortunately the staff don't have any dev support to combat cheaters apart from what the devs have already implemented years ago, which people like this have already found a way around. And the "If you can't 101% prove without a shadow of a doubt with video evidence that this player is indeed cheating, there's nothing I can do." approach that the GMs take doesn't help.

It really is insane that the benefit of the doubt can be stretched to such unthinkable lengths, yet here we are.

[CrazyPro]

Jesse, this is the state of these servers. There is one infamous player who has been camping Plane of Hate minis every spawn for the last 6 years on Green - and many more years on Blue before that.

Now that they are not considered raid mobs, and you don't have to zone back in when minis spawn - there is a group of players that have camped every spawn for the last year.

One player person camps Lodizal every day and has been for years - you'll see them auctioning Boots, Belt and Shield regularly. One person camps Stormfeather every day and has been for years - you'll see them auctioning Loot Rights to map piece. One player camps AC every day and has been for years - you'll see them auction Jboots MQ regularly. A few players camp Fungi King regularly and have been for years. Etc, etc, etc.

I think it's a sign of the times. Especially online, people have moved away from larger community and working together in favor of greed and perceived riches or wealth. The spirit of the server is not to work together to achieve - it is to take from others what they would take from you. Parallel to the rest of the internet.

The golden era of EQ, MMOs and Online discourse in general is over. We are in post-modern, mid-societal collapse internet era. It's ugly out there.

Your three options are:
1) Beat em
2) Join em
3) Don't play p99

The fallout from this truth nuke is going to irradiate this land for centuries.
It's shocking that people are willing to put up with this completely and utterly abhorrent game design. You shouldn't be allowed to permacamp shit for literal years.

[kjs86z2]

Go compete for FTE.

[onmove_broke]

And he's a two-boxing cheater (I personally have seen him 2-box many times) ... but for some odd reason he's never been banned.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it does shock me that the staff lets him monopolize Hate while flagrantly cheating.

Nothing would surprise me at this point. I just find it a bit odd that one guy has been doing this for so long. What is the benefit of that? Imaging wasting years of your life for one item in Hate. They need to change the rules. If not, you know there is something else going on.

[sammoHung]

Nothing would surprise me at this point. I just find it a bit odd that one guy has been doing this for so long. What is the benefit of that? Imaging wasting years of your life for one item in Hate. They need to change the rules. If not, you know there is something else going on.

I can't figure it out myself, either. I always assumed RMT when he sells the staves, but then one day (years ago back in 2022) I saw he had like 7.4 million plat on his EC toon. If it was RMT I'd have thought he'd be moving it. IDK, maybe he's got a hidden agreement with the staff? Maybe he is John Smedley who is doing it solely to jack up the price of mage epics?

[kjs86z2]

Gotta respect the hustle.

Trust me, hes losing out on life FAR more than you are by not having your mage epic (coth bot).

[cd288]

I can't figure it out myself, either. I always assumed RMT when he sells the staves, but then one day (years ago back in 2022) I saw he had like 7.4 million plat on his EC toon. If it was RMT I'd have thought he'd be moving it. IDK, maybe he's got a hidden agreement with the staff? Maybe he is John Smedley who is doing it solely to jack up the price of mage epics?

He could still be moving it and just hadn't found significant buyers at that specific point in time.

Could also be taking discounts on the plat cost if you pay him a certain amount of real money.

It's P99 so the chance that's he's just a random person who has some sort of obsession/fixation with getting as much plat as possible for the rest of his life is not zero. But IMO there has to be some sort of RMT occurring somewhere.

[kjs86z2]

rents due

[Kich867]

It's P99 so the chance that's he's just a random person who has some sort of obsession/fixation with getting as much plat as possible for the rest of his life is not zero.

Considering some of the pixel obsessed people I've met on here over the years this wouldn't surprise me.

Retirees and people on disability who just play 24/7 and take the game way, way too seriously.

[onmove_broke]

He could still be moving it and just hadn't found significant buyers at that specific point in time.

Could also be taking discounts on the plat cost if you pay him a certain amount of real money.

It's P99 so the chance that's he's just a random person who has some sort of obsession/fixation with getting as much plat as possible for the rest of his life is not zero. But IMO there has to be some sort of RMT occurring somewhere.

I just cannot imagine someone being so hung up on a specific item that he has been mercilessly camping even since blue to just sell for plat for what purpose? Like, if you have 10mm plat in the bank and you spend all of your time doing this, when would you have time to even use it.

I kinda wonder what a pp > $$ conversion would look like...like 1kpp for $1? Then it makes sense that he must be doing some RMT. I've played this game since 1999 and I never remember someone poopsocking this hard for a specific item.

There is also guy in KC that just farms the T-Staff as well.

[CrazyPro]

I can't figure it out myself, either. I always assumed RMT when he sells the staves, but then one day (years ago back in 2022) I saw he had like 7.4 million plat on his EC toon. If it was RMT I'd have thought he'd be moving it. IDK, maybe he's got a hidden agreement with the staff? Maybe he is John Smedley who is doing it solely to jack up the price of mage epics?

He's made well over 20 million plat so a lot of that platinum has to be going somewhere.

[onmove_broke]

He's made well over 20 million plat so a lot of that platinum has to be going somewhere.

Has anyone ever reported him or anything?

[BradZax]

The fallout from this truth nuke is going to irradiate this land for centuries.
It's shocking that people are willing to put up with this completely and utterly abhorrent game design. You shouldn't be allowed to permacamp shit for literal years.

I like it. It's like real life. I can't open a nuclear power plant, instead I buy power from someone who invests more time in that camp, and has better gear than I do.

[CrazyPro]

Has anyone ever reported him or anything?

Probably the one most reported player on the entire server. People literally made a 6 page document full of evidence against him: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OxvHL0al1sbFCQGbPHgHt0CQBwRoOvUiZi4NAvEhufA/edit?tab=t.0

[Goregasmic]

Go compete for FTE.

I think the main issue is he seems to know the exact second they pop like every single time despite being on a window so he's accused of exploiting.



There is also guy in KC that just farms the T-Staff as well.

Talked to him. Dude got like 20 of them over a couple years. He's just doing the 2 bridge spawns though, if you really wanted one you could do LCY backrooms or jail so he isn't monopolizing access and he often POTGs everyone in the area. Not the same type of guy at all.

[Reiwa]

Talked to him. Dude got like 20 of them over a couple years. He's just doing the 2 bridge spawns though, if you really wanted one you could do LCY backrooms or jail so he isn't monopolizing access and he often POTGs everyone in the area. Not the same type of guy at all.

Non-exploitative wealth creation. Yay for him.

[loramin]

I think the main issue is he seems to know the exact second they pop like every single time despite being on a window so he's accused of exploiting.



Talked to him. Dude got like 20 of them over a couple years. He's just doing the 2 bridge spawns though, if you really wanted one you could do LCY backrooms or jail so he isn't monopolizing access and he often POTGs everyone in the area. Not the same type of guy at all.

No, the main issue is that this server has a very strict rule against 2-boxing, but this asshole does what he does (and can only do what he does) because he breaks that rule.

Every time his Enchanter dies monopolizing Hate, he brings on his 2-boxed Cleric to rez himself. Literally, all the staff needs to do to ban him is watch him die once, see him 2-box the Cleric, and ask the both of them to do box checks: Hate monopoly over.

But in the over half-a-decade this loser has been doing this cheating, the staff has continued to let him do so without a single box check.


P.S. And yes, he's not a cartoon villain, he's a nice guy. The way I know he 2-boxes is that I haven't just seen him rez himself: he also 2-boxed to rez our guild's tracker after he got it killed several times (and maybe even a couple times when it wasn't his fault).

But being a nice guy doesn't justify getting to cheat without consequences (and ensuring that the only way a Mage on the server can get their epic is to buy it from him). In fact, I think In think a lot of people don't report him precisely because of his niceness: that was part of why I didn't (that and the fact that because he's been doing it this long, it feels like the staff sanctions it).

But again, I just can't understand why the staff does (appear to) sanction it.

[sammoHung]

I started reading that 6 page document about Diddly, and about 2 pages in I wondered if the person who put this together put as much effort or consideration into things in life that actually matter. Seems like a lot of hours spent tracking Hate, and tracking Diddly.

And then there's conspiracy theories mixed in, and an accusation of Kingdom being in cahoots.

Not saying Diddly is innocent of the accusations - but good lord do people here know how to muck up a good argument with baseless claims and overall too much fuckin effort being put into LawyerQuesting a goddamned video game.

[kjs86z2]

Probably the one most reported player on the entire server. People literally made a 6 page document full of evidence against him: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OxvHL0al1sbFCQGbPHgHt0CQBwRoOvUiZi4NAvEhufA/edit?tab=t.0

lmao Kluwen is the king of modern day RMT - rents due

thats awesome

[loramin]

And then there's conspiracy theories mixed in, and an accusation of Kingdom being in cahoots.

FWIW, I was on the Kingdom tracker when I observed him cheating (repeatedly).

However, while it is true that someone in Kingdom is friends with Diddly IRL, I don't think there's any other "cahoots" going on. At least while I was tracking (for about six months, a couple years ago) he certainly took Hate minis from Kingdom with as much energy as he took them from other guilds.

[onmove_broke]

FWIW, I was on the Kingdom tracker when I observed him cheating (repeatedly).

However, while it is true that someone in Kingdom is friends with Diddly IRL, I don't think there's any other "cahoots" going on. At least while I was tracking (for about six months, a couple years ago) he certainly took Hate minis from Kingdom with as much energy as he took them from other guilds.

I would like to see this put into draft week or something. It really needs to stop so people can get their epics.

[Infectious]

Diddy is actually a good player, playing by the rules. Of course dumpster juice loramin calls cheating. Personally the gms shouldn't buckle like Secrets does on Quarm. Keep this server fun and interesting, not wait in line for loot. You want a magi? Compete

[Kluwen2]

Diddy is actually a good player, playing by the rules. Of course dumpster juice loramin calls cheating. Personally the gms shouldn't buckle like Secrets does on Quarm. Keep this server fun and interesting, not wait in line for loot. You want a magi? Compete

<3 I do enjoy reading all the tin foil hat theories out there. The new meta is boring, porting up and trying to beat entire guilds was way more fun!

[sammoHung]

Diddy is actually a good player, playing by the rules. Of course dumpster juice loramin calls cheating. Personally the gms shouldn't buckle like Secrets does on Quarm. Keep this server fun and interesting, not wait in line for loot. You want a magi? Compete

Found Diddly's partner!

[sammoHung]

Its a sign of the times when the majority of people who know about you claim you are acting in a way thats harmful to the server meta, and you can deny it still.

"80% of people think im an asshole? Must mean 80% of people are wrong?"

What an incredibly autistic thing to think.

[Kluwen2]

Its a sign of the times when the majority of people who know about you claim you are acting in a way thats harmful to the server meta, and you can deny it still.

"80% of people think im an asshole? Must mean 80% of people are wrong?"

What an incredibly autistic thing to think.

I was actually thinking it was more like 85% #winning

[loramin]

Diddy is actually a good player, playing by the rules. Of course dumpster juice loramin calls cheating. Personally the gms shouldn't buckle like Secrets does on Quarm. Keep this server fun and interesting, not wait in line for loot. You want a magi? Compete

I think our respective records speak for themselves.

I'm still on my first forum account after a decade here. I wrote the wiki installation guide at the staff's request, have done a ton of other wiki work (showing locs on maps, fashion pages, per-level guide, etc.), and have generally contributed to the community when I can.

When I say I've seen Diddly 2-boxing many times, it's because I literally have seen it with my own eyes, and I'll stake my reputation on that.

And you? You're a known troll on your 2nd? 3rd? More? forum account.

[BradZax]

I think our respective records speak for themselves.

I'm still on my first forum account after a decade here. I wrote the wiki installation guide at the staff's request, have done a ton of other wiki work (showing locs on maps, fashion pages, per-level guide, etc.), and have generally contributed to the community when I can.

When I say I've seen Diddly 2-boxing many times, it's because I literally have seen it with my own eyes, and I'll stake my reputation on that.

And you? You're a known troll on your 2nd? 3rd? More? forum account.

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[Kluwen2]

I think our respective records speak for themselves.

I'm still on my first forum account after a decade here. I wrote the wiki installation guide at the staff's request, have done a ton of other wiki work (showing locs on maps, fashion pages, per-level guide, etc.), and have generally contributed to the community when I can.

When I say I've seen Diddly 2-boxing many times, it's because I literally have seen it with my own eyes, and I'll stake my reputation on that.

And you? You're a known troll on your 2nd? 3rd? More? forum account.

If you’re so confident in your “facts” perhaps you can create a page on the wiki all about me.

If you’re just butt hurt and are interested in joining the Well Dwellers just PM me and I’ll get you the link to our application process. I’ll be sure it’s expedited for review amongst our recruitment officers.

[OriginalContentGuy]

I'll stake my fortunes on loramin to the degree I'm not clicking that YouTube link.

I don't even see the thumbnail that's how good get I've got.

[chillybob]

I would like to see this put into draft week or something. It really needs to stop so people can get their epics.

mini's are part of draft week

[CrazyPro]

I would like to see this put into draft week or something. It really needs to stop so people can get their epics.

It already is.

[Reiwa]

If you’re so confident in your “facts” perhaps you can create a page on the wiki all about me.

If you’re just butt hurt and are interested in joining the Well Dwellers just PM me and I’ll get you the link to our application process. I’ll be sure it’s expedited for review amongst our recruitment officers.

Inb4 OP gets banned for RMT.

AGAIN!

[kjs86z2]

lol Kluwen styling on all these people who want their loot conveyor epics

[Rygar]

Suggest making petition threads that have hard evidence (i.e. video of alleged 2-box cleric rezzing dead chanter). Otherwise nothing will get done.

Other potential option is flag zone as charm immune, problem solved.

[Kich867]

Suggest making petition threads that have hard evidence (i.e. video of alleged 2-box cleric rezzing dead chanter). Otherwise nothing will get done.

Other potential option is flag zone as charm immune, problem solved.

Would the upcoming channeling changes make this a lot harder to do in general?

[kjs86z2]

Would the upcoming channeling changes make this a lot harder to do in general?

of course - itll nerf solo enc / necro / shaman into the ground

[Goregasmic]

Would the upcoming channeling changes make this a lot harder to do in general?

1- Is it even coming?

2- Depends on how much he gets beat on.

of course - itll nerf solo enc / necro / shaman into the ground

channeling makes it harder to cast under duress, for chanters, having a 1.0sec stun kinda negates that unless you're getting swarmed.

I don't know for PoH specifically but the lull change would have a MUCH greater impact.

[Kich867]

1- Is it even coming?

2- Depends on how much he gets beat on.


Sounds like Nilbog has it up for review internally as of a few days ago, unclear when it'll get released but I'd imagine soonish.

[CrazyPro]

Nilbog is fixing channeling and bowquest, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's fixing charms and lulls next, which will set us all free from the diddly party.

[Goregasmic]

Sounds like Nilbog has it up for review internally as of a few days ago, unclear when it'll get released but I'd imagine soonish.

Just saw the thread, missed that one. Thanks!

Nilbog is fixing channeling and bowquest, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's fixing charms and lulls next, which will set us all free from the diddly party.

Not impossible, I think someone already did all the research for lull/charm so it is just a matter of double checking and implementing i guess.

Even if allure duration is halved though, boltran is under half that and it is good enough for almost every kill currently possible. Curious about what the break rate would look like. Usually a broken charm isn't very difficult to recover from in general but with the channeling being nerfed, it could change things.

The lull nerf would make everything more complicated and some stuff downright impossible.

[sammoHung]

Just saw the thread, missed that one. Thanks!



Not impossible, I think someone already did all the research for lull/charm so it is just a matter of double checking and implementing i guess.

Even if allure duration is halved though, boltran is under half that and it is good enough for almost every kill currently possible. Curious about what the break rate would look like. Usually a broken charm isn't very difficult to recover from in general but with the channeling being nerfed, it could change things.

The lull nerf would make everything more complicated and some stuff downright impossible.

Good thing I just spent a bunch of plat on SS armor for a charisma based cleric .... :(

[Goregasmic]

Good thing I just spent a bunch of plat on SS armor for a charisma based cleric .... :(

See the bright side, you'll save on peridots!

As far as I know we got no ETA on that nerf so live lull laugh.

[Infectious]

I think our respective records speak for themselves.

I'm still on my first forum account after a decade here. I wrote the wiki installation guide at the staff's request, have done a ton of other wiki work (showing locs on maps, fashion pages, per-level guide, etc.), and have generally contributed to the community when I can.

When I say I've seen Diddly 2-boxing many times, it's because I literally have seen it with my own eyes, and I'll stake my reputation on that.

And you? You're a known troll on your 2nd? 3rd? More? forum account.

Been here since 2010 champ. Where's your proof he quit or you just trying to tarnish someone's name so you can join in on a conversation? Weirdo

[Makken]

That crouching in the ashtrays in Sky will make my keys work.

[loramin]

Been here since 2010 champ. Where's your proof he quit or you just trying to tarnish someone's name so you can join in on a conversation? Weirdo

As I said before I have no "proof he quit" ... I just saw him (many times) die or get someone else killed, and then immediately log a cleric on/off to rez the body.

But you're right, I don't know for certain: he could just have a disabled autistic child who logs onto a Cleric for him ... I hear there are a lot of those on P99 :rolleyes:

[cd288]

Is he guilded?