Yet Another “What Class Are You Rolling?” Thread

[solidious77]

At the risk of being overly repetitive, with a fresh server always maybe looming, I know I’m not the only one staring at the character select screen in my head like it’s a chess board, or a slot machine about to hit.. or maybe just a midlife crisis haha.

I’m curious though how people are actually approaching their class decisions this time around, beyond the casual “I’ll play whatever I feel like”

Are you finally rolling that race/class you’ve always said you would, but never actually do?

Or are you going back to an old main, convinced that this time you’ll be smarter, richer, and definitely won’t burn out before 60? :)

Do you plan ahead like a NASA launch, or an evidence board full of connections; or is it more of a just 'wing it' experience?

Does anyone go full on ocd and get their XP routes mapped, groups pre-planned, epic/quest milestones planned along the way, camps already claimed in your imagination?

What about alts?
Anyone planning a main + alt combo like you’re building a retirement portfolio? Is this the server where you specifically plan to use a legacy items like Manastone on both your main & your alt? Are you specifically playing a larger race at the start to get your Guise? Is it all part of the strategy, or are you one of the few who just constantly runs around with lucky dice in your pockets? ;)

When you're planning, is it for classic-only and then re-rolling? Or does your main already exist mentally in Velious from day 1? Or is just the zerg plan to guild up fast and sprint toward raid content like it’s a server-first Olympic event?

Basically: What race/class are you going to play and why? Are you min-maxing? Role-playing? Future-proofing? Or just hopping on the ride knowing full well it’s going to derail somewhere along the way :D

[Goregasmic]

I played wiz/shaman/monk on live, did ench/ranger here.

I think I'd go halfling/WE druid at release and then iksar necro when kunark hits since I never played those. Then I'll see how I feel.

I missed blue/green release so it is hard to plan exp routes, everything will probably be a clusterfuck for the first few months so it will be whatever works I guess. Usually I try to plan a route to get the drops and epic parts I want along the way while it still gives exp, which is easy to do on our servers at this point but with a loaded server I don't think it will be possible.

[wuanahto]

might skip it or tune in after a year or so has passed

[Jimjam]

Halfling Warrior.

[CrazyPro]

every raid's comp is going to be MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/MAG/
anyways so might aswell mage an ogre disguised as a gnome mage if you naam sayin'

[OriginalContentGuy]

I see no reason to reroll classic with any other EQ community.

[Cecily]

I've never played classic EQ except on Quarm and it was exactly as shitty as I imagined it. People are pricks to rogues, damn near impossible to get a pickup group on one and yeah way too many pet classes. I got a necro to 50 for the first time and I do not like that class at all.


My time has solidified my opinion on Kunark being the best EQ has to offer. Velious is snowy aids. You think you want it, but it's not a good expansion.

[Castle2.0]

There is only one answer: magician or necro until the manastone bag is full and that ship sails.

Then, whatever can use a manastone.

[Duik]

Tesh Val scrolls (using mumerous mules and suckers) to 50 then claim fastest to 50.
Just Lulz and Lolocaust.

The actual correct answer is to have 5 IRL friends who wanna relive D and D adventures who pick a core of the holy trinity (tank clr and ench) with DPS and a porter.

So (frigsample) War Clr Enc Rog Mnk Wiz.
Adventure. XPing. Quest a few items (especially clr and war quest armor) equip war1st, then clr and ench.
Tank dies we all die. (Unless wiz has evac so clr can rez)
Clr dies we all can. (No rez)
Ench dies? Depends on mobs in camp. Hope wiz evacs and/or clr rez.

Then Weapons for dps. Until armor upgrades back those bitches off until war has agro. You know. Proper "classic" gameplay.

This wont help the tragic min/max brigade.

[MageBlue]

On RED 2.0 I will play dark elf enchanter

Just looking for duos or trios

[Danth]

Magicians were in a peculiar spot when "Green" opened. They were stuck with level 34 pets at best, and even those were difficult to obtain due to chain research. Necromancer seemed a lot easier out the gate. Enchanters had no clarity, bards were severely limited in their area-effect potential, very interesting environment that shakes things up a bit compared to the Kunark- and Velious-era settings P99 spent most of its history within.

Dunno what I might do if a new server came about. Nothing I made on "Green" got past the low 30's at most. Maybe dork around on stuff I've never played before to any great extent and see what comes of it.

[Keebz]

It really depends on the extent to which the devs "fix" the resist system here now that it's well documented. Like if lull stops working entirely I probably won't roll an Enc/Clr/Pal. If they just run things back as is, then it's much less interesting.

[Cecily]

I just don't see the appeal of classic besides hoarding legacy items. It's pretty bad otherwise.

[Belambic]

I just don't see the appeal of classic besides hoarding legacy items. It's pretty bad otherwise.
Why have you been here for 13 years then?

[Cecily]

Why have you been here for 13 years then?
I enjoy the conversations I have here with low IQ people bad at reading comprehension. In the context of what I've said previously and the topic of this, how long has it been since "here" has been classic.

[Cecily]

Lightly criticize something a nerd enjoys and you'll get a passive aggressive retort in response as if you personally attacked them. You can milk that dynamic for stress relief for literal decades.

[Belambic]

I enjoy the conversations I have here with low IQ people bad at reading comprehension. In the context of what I've said previously and the topic of this, how long has it been since "here" has been classic.

I've read thru this thread and all you have stated is that you hate classic EQ past Kunark, yet you're still here. I don't stalk you to see what other gems of wisdom you might have posted, I'm going by what you have here.

If you hate classic EQ, go play something else, this isn't an airport you don't need to announce your departure. If you're not leaving, then what's the point of whining you don't like it?

[Cecily]

Let me pedantically belabor the point over my off the cuff rants in the rants and flames section, which I still enjoy despite no longer playing here. I am using "classic" to refer to the original EQ prior to expansions. You are using to to refer to release to Velious. I believe that's our main point of contention. I think "classic" is a piece of shit game that was significantly improved by Kunark and got significantly worse with Velious in terms of stratification and power creep. It's ok for me to share this opinion, obnoxiously if I see fit, on one of the few remaining places where people discuss EQ in terms of rants and flaming, retard.

[Tobius]

At the risk of being overly repetitive, with a fresh server always maybe looming, I know I’m not the only one staring at the character select screen in my head like it’s a chess board, or a slot machine about to hit.. or maybe just a midlife crisis haha.

I’m curious though how people are actually approaching their class decisions this time around, beyond the casual “I’ll play whatever I feel like”

Are you finally rolling that race/class you’ve always said you would, but never actually do?

Or are you going back to an old main, convinced that this time you’ll be smarter, richer, and definitely won’t burn out before 60? :)

Do you plan ahead like a NASA launch, or an evidence board full of connections; or is it more of a just 'wing it' experience?

Does anyone go full on ocd and get their XP routes mapped, groups pre-planned, epic/quest milestones planned along the way, camps already claimed in your imagination?

What about alts?
Anyone planning a main + alt combo like you’re building a retirement portfolio? Is this the server where you specifically plan to use a legacy items like Manastone on both your main & your alt? Are you specifically playing a larger race at the start to get your Guise? Is it all part of the strategy, or are you one of the few who just constantly runs around with lucky dice in your pockets? ;)

When you're planning, is it for classic-only and then re-rolling? Or does your main already exist mentally in Velious from day 1? Or is just the zerg plan to guild up fast and sprint toward raid content like it’s a server-first Olympic event?

Basically: What race/class are you going to play and why? Are you min-maxing? Role-playing? Future-proofing? Or just hopping on the ride knowing full well it’s going to derail somewhere along the way :D

I'm glad you asked OP.

I made an autistic spreadsheet about this subject see Tab 3 "new green choice"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zu9RPPCKdE8kCsW7kqlPtwWUNgkcFjr54fpKYoitjCo/edit?usp=sharing

I thought about the things I like in game, illusions, paineel access, clickies from deity, kunark, benefit from legacy items and if they can bind at firepots.

It seems the class/race/diety combo that ticks most of those boxes is a Cleric Erudite Cazic. Will need more faction grinding but I'm writing a guide on how to do that.

[Keebz]

It seems the class/race/diety combo that ticks most of those boxes is a Cleric Erudite Cazic.

That combo isn't available until Paineel drops at the very end of classic FYI.

[Ennewi]

EQ released too early IMO, ignoring the fact that the devs had every intention of releasing it in 1998. Another year and they would have recognized the hybrid xp penalty was bad. Maybe rogues would have been more physical CC than DPS. Maybe kerra would have been playable race, all but eliminating any opportunity of vah shir. And maybe, with more initial polish, they wouldn't have "updated" the graphics for SoL.

[Tobius]

That combo isn't available until Paineel drops at the very end of classic FYI.

Wait wtf is the a source for when later race class combos came out

Was it just SKs and necros initially?

[Jimjam]

Wait wtf is the a source for when later race class combos came out

Was it just SKs and necros initially?

They had a freaky deaky cabin in the woods by the river. I think no SKs either.

[Keebz]

Yea it's just Necros from launch until Feb 2000 era.

[Swish]

Never really made it with a ranger so probably that.

[Tobius]

Yea it's just Necros from launch until Feb 2000 era.

Fuuuuuuuu

Back to the drawing board....

[Keebz]

FWIW starting Paineel faction is basically meaningless. Just kill a few Erudin guards or wait for the Warrens and kill some kobolds.

To tick all your boxes, Inny Human Cleric is the classic choice.

[Tobius]

FWIW starting Paineel faction is basically meaningless. Just kill a few Erudin guards or wait for the Warrens and kill some kobolds.

To tick all your boxes, Inny Human Cleric is the classic choice.

Damn. Yeah I was already thinking about how you'd need 35 to /list for guise so even if you stopped there you wouldn't have a tonne of levels to get to 50? From paineel before kunark launched.

I think it makes a better case for an alt.

I did reconsider necro as altho they don't have class clickies they do have that pre nerf invis item but then you have a non iksar necro...

Barb shammies diety clicky sucks but halas faction is a nightmare so they that going for them.

Trolls don't benefit much from guise because already evil race and all shams get bear form eventually.

Everyone plays ogre and it's basic.

Fyi though I don't like to kill one faction to raise another. I'm not an rper but I find that immersion breaking. It betrays the faction quest point of getting everyone to like you.

[solidious77]

but then you have a non iksar necro...

I struggle here too. I'd like to play a necro, but not sure how to avoid feeling like hes gimpy when Kunark and Iksars drop.

The only justification I really have is that a successful hide can properly break aggro on FD, but then again so can a /q and relog; though it breaks immersion and I'm sure in some cases you'd just lose the camp.

Also just so it is said, the true power behind the Guise is the clicky shrink that it offers large races. Not really needed for Shaman's as they can already shrink themselves, but obviously you love all the illusions haha -- I enjoy your enthusiasm for all those little things

[Keebz]

The only justification I really have is that a successful hide can properly break aggro on FD...

That hasn't worked here for a long long time.

Also, I don't see how Necro meets your criteria. There are no classic clickies and they don't really benefit from Guise or to a lesser extent Manasone. Gnome Necro is a fantastic combo though.


Also just so it is said, the true power behind the Guise is the clicky shrink that it offers large races. Not really needed for Shaman's as they can already shrink themselves...

Note that shrink isn't in the game for several months. Also DE is significantly less hated than troll/ogre so you get some mileage out of the illusion on an shaman in places like FP. I am not sure about Tribunal Barb in evil cities, but even if it just gets you OT faction, that's worth something, not to mention the Ultravision for barb is huge. So Barb shaman gets value out of every aspect of guise (size, vision, faction) and has the more neutral base faction. Inny Troll shaman gets you a sometimes useable clicky and has a FP friendly deity. Ogre RZ has a very neutral deity, benefits the most from the shrink and provides some value come Velious.

Anyway, suffice to say I think any non-cazic Shaman is the next best for your faction / legacy item min-max, behind Human Cleric of Innoruuk.

Honorable mentions: Human Druid of Tunare and Agnostic Human Monk.

[Keebz]

Actually, Sol Ro wizard and to a lesser extent mage are also reasonable options for you.

[Jimjam]

That hasn't worked here for a long long time.

Also, I don't see how Necro meets your criteria. There are no classic clickies and they don't really benefit from Guise or to a lesser extent Manasone. Gnome Necro is a fantastic combo though.



Note that shrink isn't in the game for several months. Also DE is significantly less hated than troll/ogre so you get some mileage out of the illusion on an shaman in places like FP. I am not sure about Tribunal Barb in evil cities, but even if it just gets you OT faction, that's worth something, not to mention the Ultravision for barb is huge. So Barb shaman gets value out of every aspect of guise (size, vision, faction) and has the more neutral base faction. Inny Troll shaman gets you a sometimes useable clicky and has a FP friendly deity. Ogre RZ has a very neutral deity, benefits the most from the shrink and provides some value come Velious.

Anyway, suffice to say I think any non-cazic Shaman is the next best for your faction / legacy item min-max, behind Human Cleric of Innoruuk.

Honorable mentions: Human Druid of Tunare and Agnostic Human Monk.
Don't forget shaman and necromancer have true charm (necromancer also gets beguile) until July 1999 under true classic timeline.

[solidious77]

All of this info is so helpful, really nice to delv into the details. Thank you!

[Cecily]

I think an interesting exercise in all this fascinating min-maxing on new server talk would be to consider how this information would have helped you in terms of where you are at the moment on either Blue or Green. (It does not matter ((You've probably quit))

[Aetherwyn]

I’d only go Necro if you genuinely want to play a Necro, because for your min-max legacy/faction checklist it doesn’t really seem like the best fit like Keebz said

[solidious77]

Tobius had the specific legacy/faction checklist, but this is still all useful info for me too. I haven't played in years so I enjoy all the min-max theory crafting.

I do want to play a necro on a fresh server but I know at some point it will drive me mad that I'm not Iksar haha. I'm running out of rationalizations, but maybe first into HS when it drops is good incentive. Even if I end up an ugly Gnome, the wall-peaking is nice there