PSA Drop Transfer at your own Risk

[hagglebaby]

I've been experimenting with solo Shaman farming down in seb crypt but it's cumbersome to gate out with the loot and make my way back down solo. So I had the bright idea of drop xfer to a rogue bot at the safe spot and then hide/sneak the loot back out of the crypt.

Unfortunately I did this next to a full group. First I dropped two lumi staves. logged over easily with no hiccups but they were gone.

I then announced that I would be dropping a JBB and a Hiero Cloak and trying it again. I tried it again and those were also gone when i quickly logged over. maybe took a minute tops.

Soon after i alerted this full group that my stuff "poofed" one of the rogues went LD and a chanter gated and the group took a break to reform.

talking to a few friends, the consensus is that i'm a dumbass for attempting a drop transfer, especially in seb and especially near a full group. I left a petition in the forum, maybe I can get something back. Not the end of the world if i don't but this would be the biggest poof i've had. Just wanted to leave this here so maybe someone can get a chuckle out of my carelessness. perhaps a scoff. Maybe even a cringe

[Jimjam]

Lucky you weren't fined $200 for littering tbh.

[vales]

why not just ask someone in that group to trade you the items instead

[Lifebar]

In the off-chance that new players use these forums: DO NOT DO DROP TRANSFERS.

NPC's pick stuff up.
Sometimes things poof.
People steal.

It sucks this happened bud. I think we all learned this the hard way at some point.

[Jimjam]

People steal.


Worth mentioning, from a policy position, people picking up your dropped items: they are not stealing. They are picking up things you discarded. If you sell an item, drop it, give it to an npc then that is not your item anymore. You've relinquished ownership of it by doing this.


anyone using this as an excuse to interupt drop transfers is a jerk though

[kjs86z2]

why didnt you just ask the group to help you mule the items over? then there would be chat / trade logs

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Items should last about 6 mins on the ground. I've done drop transfers many times. My rules are as follows:
1. Never drop something expensive like a fungi tunic.
2. Find a very out of the way spot where players aren't normally present.

You broke them both:) Most people will help with an xfer. Next time ask the person in the group with the biggest guild name.

[hagglebaby]

Yes I could have traded them to a player but the idea is to have a repeatable way to get loot out of the tunnel when I’m down there solo. So I was practicing

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yes I could have traded them to a player but the idea is to have a repeatable way to get loot out of the tunnel when I’m down there solo. So I was practicing

Yeah crypt is one of those places where it's better to just gate out and xfer. Losing a heiro cloak or JBB is worse than spending the time breaking back in IMO.

[hagglebaby]

Yes I could have traded them to a player but the idea is to have a repeatable way to get loot out of the tunnel when I’m down there solo. So I was practicing

Worth mentioning, from a policy position, people picking up your dropped items: they are not stealing. They are picking up things you discarded. If you sell an item, drop it, give it to an npc then that is not your item anymore. You've relinquished ownership of it by doing this.


anyone using this as an excuse to interupt drop transfers is a jerk though

Does that mean a reimbursement wouldn’t be granted from the staff?

[loramin]

NPC's pick stuff up.

I don't think they do on this server. They did in classic, and I'm pretty sure there's a ticket to have them do it here, but I don't believe that ticket has been resolved.

[WarpathEQ]

1) CSR has no ability to restore dropped items or track down who picked them up so drop transfer issues are not supported via petition similar to MQs

2) NPCs pick up items so if you drop something inside the range of an NPC they will grab it before you have time to swap

3) NEVER announce when you're drop transferring, people can only steal your stuff if they know there is stuff to steal (and considering there is no way to penalize people for stealing in this matter, if you even consider it stealing, it will be gone)

If you're going to drop transfer, know what you're doing first. But in general there is no reason to drop transfer. Just ask someone to do a transfer for you. Plenty of kind people that will help. The servers are extremely inflated. People aren't hurting that bad for your solo farm gear.

[hagglebaby]

The servers are extremely inflated. People aren't hurting that bad for your solo farm gear.

This is why I was thinking a drop transfer would be fine. Why would someone who is farming down there need to do that?

But it guess it’s more of an opportunity thing since it’s untraceable. Or someone teaching me a lesson. Or someone being a rules stickler “on P99 I’m allowed! I’m allowed to pick it up once you drop it! You’re discarding!”

Or maybe just someone simply saying to themselves “wow, what a dumbass. Free 45k lying on the ground”

[hagglebaby]

You know what else it could have been? An npc picking it up from z axis right? Seb is weird like that. I was at the safe spot. Is there something underneath or above?

I did a test with a worthless item after and it was also poofed. Then I tried a peridot a few times and it wasn’t poofed

[cd288]

In the off-chance that new players use these forums: DO NOT DO DROP TRANSFERS.

NPC's pick stuff up.
Sometimes things poof.
People steal.

It sucks this happened bud. I think we all learned this the hard way at some point.

I thought the NPC thing was a myth that people believed on classic. Or do they actually randomly pick items up?

But in any case, if anyone finds themselves in OP's situation just ask one of the group members to do the transfer for you. If they say yes and then keep the item, the staff will ban them and give you the item.

If you drop transfer the staff usually can't do anything about it.

[Jimjam]

There were a few in classic for sure. Hans(l?) in Qeynos had chat text for when he did it.

[Jimjam]

Does that mean a reimbursement wouldn’t be granted from the staff?

You didn’t have the item at the time it was picked up so there is nothing to reimburse. They may tell you who picked up the item so you can ask them to return it. Idk if their policy is still to name pickeruppers tho.

[shovelquest]

I like to find a spot inside a city thats easy to get to, and make that spot my home.

And camp there everynight, and keep all my characters camped in there, so drop transfers are private, and easy.

Its like having a little apartment in freeport if you do it right.

[Belambic]

Does that mean a reimbursement wouldn’t be granted from the staff?
Doubtful they'd do anything. You threw it away, someone else took it. No different than IRL dumpster diving.
They're scum for taking them, but they broke no rules.

Also, beware of dropping things where there are pathing MOBs, they'll pick them up too.

[loramin]

I thought the NPC thing was a myth that people believed on classic. Or do they actually randomly pick items up?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414358&page=3

[loramin]

Darn RnF ... didn't mean to link to page 3:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414358

[cd288]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414358&page=3

Interesting. Wonder if there's any sense to which ones do and which ones don't or if it's just random.

[cd288]

You didn’t have the item at the time it was picked up so there is nothing to reimburse. They may tell you who picked up the item so you can ask them to return it. Idk if their policy is still to name pickeruppers tho.

Are their logs able to track that? I'd assume so?

[WarpathEQ]

My understanding is that CSR doesn't have visability into who picked something up. NPC can definitely pick things up as I've seen it happen right in front of me, as OP now has as well.

I think the key is it doesn't feel like stealing if its on the ground. If you walk past $100 and pick it up it feels like hey its my lucky day. That doesn't mean I'm going to punch someone in the stomach, take $100 out of their wallet and feel good about it.

I pick up everything I see on the ground. Its usually just fishing grubs or empty mage summoned bags, but you never know!

[Tann]

1) CSR has no ability to restore dropped items or track down who picked them up so drop transfer issues are not supported via petition similar to MQs


flat out wrong my dude.

I had a drop transfer poof couple years back, 2 bags of random caster junk, I petitioned with the time and location I was at, as well as some of the items that i could remember the names of. They restored every item, even ones I had forgotten about. Everything is tracked, when items go on the ground the server logs when, where, and what.

[Ennewi]

Checks out. There was that one players, years back, who tried to hide ill-gotten items by ground transferring them in bags of meat pies repeatedly using different characters, as if that would somehow cover their tracks. Main page or Discord needs a PSA regarding this. Maybe it would prevent similar wile e coyote attempts, making CSR do extra detective work.

[boomslang]

1) CSR has no ability to restore dropped items or track down who picked them up so drop transfer issues are not supported via petition similar to MQs


Couldn't be more wrong. Every drop is recorded in the same way as every trade.

[hagglebaby]

I’ll say a couple last things about drop transferring high value items. It can create unnecessary temptation for other players and potentially causes a lot of work for the guides. I don’t reccomned

[sammoHung]

Devs have implemented a way to track drop transfers as of ~ 2021. RMTers were using drop trades to skirt log tracking. They put an end to that via new script that can track item IDs even when dropped on the ground.

However - they will typicallynot reimburse items lifted from other players trying to drop transfer.

[Jimjam]

I don’t reccomned

imma keep doing it :D

[cd288]

flat out wrong my dude.

I had a drop transfer poof couple years back, 2 bags of random caster junk, I petitioned with the time and location I was at, as well as some of the items that i could remember the names of. They restored every item, even ones I had forgotten about. Everything is tracked, when items go on the ground the server logs when, where, and what.

Guessing yours was a server glitch or something like that which they verified. They usually don't reimburse if a player picks it up. But hey always worth giving a petition a shot.

[Ciderpress]

I was reimbursed a lost drop transfer item just last week, only took about 48hrs from posting the reimbursement thread in petition forum.

And yeah has been stated, if somebody picked it up they won't reimburse it, but if it legitimately rotted (believe it takes 5 rl minutes) they'll restore it.

[WarpathEQ]

Devs have implemented a way to track drop transfers as of ~ 2021. RMTers were using drop trades to skirt log tracking. They put an end to that via new script that can track item IDs even when dropped on the ground.

However - they will typicallynot reimburse items lifted from other players trying to drop transfer.

Thanks for the context, didn't know that changed. Makes sense

[Infectious]

Yes I could have traded them to a player but the idea is to have a repeatable way to get loot out of the tunnel when I’m down there solo. So I was practicing

You didnt think to "practice" with some rations and water first? Lol what is this junior league? And you announced you were doing this? Haha how did you even make it down there haha

[hagglebaby]

You didnt think to "practice" with some rations and water first? Lol what is this junior league? And you announced you were doing this? Haha how did you even make it down there haha

Finally a flame! I forgot what sub I was in!

[Ekco]

Sorry you don't got *checks notes* two lumi staves, JBB and hiero cloak OP

[Pootle]

Sorry you don't got *checks notes* two lumi staves, JBB and hiero cloak OP

...aaand there it is.

Hahahah