some people have to be banned to show the truth

[fable_kid]

save p99

many will be martyred on the forums to show that p99 is not classic or everquest

[CrazyPro]

TAKP is way more accurate to the era it's emulating than P99 is.
The hyper-competitive nerd NASCAR lawyerquest simulator that is the P99 raid scene is an extremely far fetch from what raiding was actually like back in the day.
Big guilds with patterns of bad faith behavior are still around and still completely unpunished after years of forcing the entire server to put up with their BS.

*mic drop*

[fable_kid]

i played on takp for about a year and got a 3 box to 65 with decent gear and some AAs


now a days its more of a museum

takp is more accurate to eq than p99 "classic everquest"

[CrazyPro]

i played on takp for about a year and got a 3 box to 65 with decent gear and some AAs


now a days its more of a museum

takp is more accurate to eq than p99 "classic everquest"

I miss when TAKP was bustling a few years back

[sammoHung]

TAKP is way more accurate to the era it's emulating than P99 is.
The hyper-competitive nerd NASCAR lawyerquest simulator that is the P99 raid scene is an extremely far fetch from what raiding was actually like back in the day.
Big guilds with patterns of bad faith behavior are still around and still completely unpunished after years of forcing the entire server to put up with their BS.

*mic drop*

You say this as if it's one guild, when it's all of them - including Castle.

I agree with the first part - but pretending like there's a guild who is socking raid mobs that acts 100% by the book is not accurate.

Source: Furoar was leading raids in Castle last year and hes a scumbag

[Ciderpress]

Emergent player behavior requires emergent dev action. This alone does not make something "unclassic". The very act of devs responding to unpredictable player behavior *is* classic.

For example, when EQ first launched /consent allowed you to fully loot other people's corpses. The devs quickly realized this was ripe for abuse and nerfed it to the existing summon mechanic. And when they did, I was the first one there screaming "this is unclassssicccc!!!!"

[CrazyPro]

You say this as if it's one guild, when it's all of them - including Castle.

I agree with the first part - but pretending like there's a guild who is socking raid mobs that acts 100% by the book is not accurate.

Source: Furoar was leading raids in Castle last year and hes a scumbag

I didn't say this as if it were one guild. If anything, I implied it was multiple guilds by saying "guilds" instead of "guild".

99% of people in Castle had no idea of Furoar's background on blue and he's been guildless for a month now FWIW.

[wuanahto]

you keep coming back here because its really real
you wouldnt be playing if epics were handed out
you wouldnt be playing if you could multibox everything
you wouldnt be playing if you had an easy time

you stray, but you keep coming home

[CrazyPro]

you keep coming back here because its really real
you wouldnt be playing if epics were handed out
you wouldnt be playing if you could multibox everything
you wouldnt be playing if you had an easy time

you stray, but you keep coming home

make the game mechanically harder instead of socially harder

[Wakanda]

IDK if these will get me banned

https://i.ibb.co/xtB8My8Q/exampe1.png
https://i.ibb.co/whNbRPfY/example2.png
https://i.ibb.co/VpqNQ8WH/example3.png
https://i.ibb.co/SX3W7ZxX/example4.png
https://i.ibb.co/fYS0gDwD/example5.png

A year - to a year and a half into EQ, some of the highest level Enchanters at the time made no mention of Charm. Enchanters were generally considered mez/buff bots. Enchanter was also a fairly rare class for those of you who don't remember.

https://i.ibb.co/hFXsVmRs/example6.png

https://i.ibb.co/F4653S7v/exmaple7.png
https://www.oocities.org/xymarra/Strategy/EnchanterStrategy.html

A website from 2001. They mostly viewed Charm as a form of CC, potentially high DPS, but not worth the risk in most situations. Definitely not something you would use in most groups. Contrary to what people on P99 claim.

[Wakanda]

I also collected some data from the Druids Grove about how Dire Charm changes in PoP ruined the game because it made Enchanters too good at solo'ing, and now groups are forced to play without mez / slow / haste / clarity. I can share some of the data, but this was 2003+.

https://i.ibb.co/3m1ncH2N/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/8nzyFr8d/image2.png
https://i.ibb.co/8gmYfQ00/image4.png
https://i.ibb.co/93ZSm5KK/imag3.png

Notice how the recurring theme in this thread is about how Enchanters used to group (https://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-608.html), but because of DC changes, now they only want to solo? Weird because people on P99 will LARP that all throughout 1999-2001, Enchanter-quest was in full effect.

You also have to ask yourself, if Charm was always like ultra strong, then why was Dire Charm so game breaking at the time? Why was it so controversial at the time?

I make a similar argument when people try to tell me Rogues could always backstab while face-tanking mobs. Then why in the hell was Chaotic Stab such a popular AA that almost every Rogue immediately dumped points into?

It's a real shame that most of the forums and Allahakzahm pages have been lost since then. AC might still be king. Fast weapons might still draw insane aggro -- there's a reason why Lamentations / Bladed Thulian Claws were so meta. Hell, SKs might even still use Disease Cloud for aggro.

[cd288]

This argument has been gone over ad nauseam. Charming was not significant in the early days of classic for a variety of reasons: 1. Lag and connection quality, 2. People think pets ate EXP in groups, 3. Lack of understanding of the mechanics and refinement of charming strategy (including not understanding what caused Charm to break), etc.

The only thing proven to be unclassic on P99 which makes charming easier is channeling (although didn't they fix that recently). In years of discussion, no one has been able to present any evidence to the contrary...if you're going to raise this discussion go find some legitimate in era evidence.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's always time for a CHA debate somewhere.

[Wakanda]

You have to remember I didn't even know P99 existed until 2020+. People act like everyone has been playing P99 for 17 years. In reality, it's a very hot topic on the the Monsters & Memories Discord ATM (https://i.ibb.co/tT15N6ys/lolzzz.png) and I keep seeing all of these people say Enchanter Charm was always OP, so I started digging around and doing research. During that time period I saw all kinds of debates on P99 ... hundreds of pages long, but literally no one presents evidence (and there's ton of it still out there). They just cite their memory, which I agree... is accurate, but unfortunately it isn't proof. So I decided to help these fools out and BOOM... oh that thread is locked.. I better not make another one... but then I see this thread and I can't help myself, lol.

I just feel like a lot of people could have done advanced searches from the years 1999-2001 and proved that Enchanter charm was not the meta. Not arguing that Charm wasn't strong at times, or that it was useless, but I think it's obvious that the population and most Enchanters themselves saw themselves as CC-bots (that's where the term CC-bot comes from), and not unstoppable demi-gods who are 60% of a group's DPS, and who can easily solo anything in the game. In fact, necromancer actually had that reputation back then, lmao.

Also I genuinely wonder how many people are mistaking later versions of the game as being classic? Because in talking to people on that Discord, I notice that they always begin citing instances of Charm being OP but it's PoP+ and honestly, I do remember charm being the meta in PoP. Even Bards were solo'ing with Charm.

I also recognize that you can make the argument that Charm was always strong, but we all sucked or were limited by hardware, and therefore this is classic. I still feel like it's unclassic enough to make the classic experience not feel classic. Granted I main an Enchanter on P99, and acknowledge that it's a lot of fun. I just get triggered by people saying that the game was always played this way.

World of Warcraft Classic suffers from the same exact problem. In 2004, people did not care what class or spec you were. If you were level 60 people would invite you to their guild because getting to level 60 was hard, and finding level 60 players to join your guild was hard. I remember a lot of my friends being balance druids, ret paladins, hunters being considered a top dps class. Flash forward to when Classic WoW actually launched and guilds were literally only recruiting 2 specs out the entire roster. Playing anything other than a Warrior, Rogue or Priest was forbidden. That's not a true classic experience. You'll never convince me it is.

[Wakanda]

Also everyone thought Magician was a badass class back in the day. I'm pretty sure that the main reason they are considered a joke class in 2025 is because of Enchanter charm. They went from being the class with the reputation for having the most badass OP pet... to the class whose pet pales in comparison to Charm. At all levels.

At least Necromancer has a lot more going for it than a pet. Actually you could probably remove the Necro pet from the game completely and Necro would still be a top class.

[Reiwa]

Also everyone thought Magician was a badass class back in the day. I'm pretty sure that the main reason they are considered a joke class in 2025 is because of Enchanter charm. They went from being the class with the reputation for having the most badass OP pet... to the class whose pet pales in comparison to Charm. At all levels.

At least Necromancer has a lot more going for it than a pet. Actually you could probably remove the Necro pet from the game completely and Necro would still be a top class.

I recall being quite pleased with myself by defeating an idiot necro in a duel by chain blinding him and nukes.

Can't fear what you can't see!

[Jimjam]

Also everyone thought Magician was a badass class back in the day. I'm pretty sure that the main reason they are considered a joke class in 2025 is because of Enchanter charm. They went from being the class with the reputation for having the most badass OP pet... to the class whose pet pales in comparison to Charm. At all levels.

At least Necromancer has a lot more going for it than a pet. Actually you could probably remove the Necro pet from the game completely and Necro would still be a top class.

People used to tell me shaman was bad and reroll to druid while I was levelling up.

[Wakanda]

I recall being quite pleased with myself by defeating an idiot necro in a duel by chain blinding him and nukes.

Can't fear what you can't see!

I was reading about Necros being bad at PvP in general because you can CC the pet and dispell their DOTs etc. I dont actually have that much PVP experience despite playing on Sullon Zek for months. I was mostly a prey animal at that time.

[Wakanda]

People used to tell me shaman was bad and reroll to druid while I was levelling up.

I remember that sentiment as well. I also dunno if root-rotting was really a huge thing in original EQ. Reason I say this is my next door neighbor was a Druid. And I remember watching him play, and being confused why he would use snare and stinging swarm, and other DoT's to kill mobs (same strat was used for killing Sand Giants at level 35).

After watching him I asked him why he doesn't just root the mob, and pointed out that this is stupid to be running and sitting to med non-stop. He kept telling me "trust me, Michael, you have no clue." And then finally after 20-30 minutes of bugging him he said "fine, you want to see what happens when you use root? I'll show you."

And sure enough root broke so frequently that it wasn't really useful for kiting. With that in mind I can see Shamans being significantly worse at solo'ing. At the same time I remember watching high level shamans killing dwarf guards in BBM, so IDK.

I do know a few things from that time, in early EQ Shamans were seen as bad healers due to low wisdom, and not having a huge mana pool. And when it comes to damage, I don't think a lot of us had enough raw data to realize how insane their DoTs became at high level. I remember being shocked when I found out how much damage their level 49 DoTs did, and I can't remember, but I feel like I may not have realized this UNTIL I started playing P99. I remember Shaman as the class that slowed and gave me some of my fav buffs as a Rogue ;)

[shovelquest]

People used to tell me shaman was bad and reroll to druid while I was levelling up.

to be fair druids were op back then because they were always killing guards and that was impressive so by defacto the class was OP

[Meeper]

I also dunno if root-rotting was really a huge thing in original EQ.


Root-rotting/DOTing was a staple for all of the druids I knew and encountered, including myself. I could never be bothered to fear-kite, and I only snare-kited when quadding (or on those annoying occasions when root kept breaking).

[Wakanda]

to be fair druids were op back then because they were always killing guards and that was impressive so by defacto the class was OP

I think Druid is still the most popular class on P99 by far? It always cracks me up how people will talk about how they are the worst class in the game, not the best healer, not the best solo'er, yet they are one of the classes to just play the game.

I think Ranger could be similar in this regard. A Ranger is going to have a much easier time exploring around the world and even solo'ing than a Warrior or a Rogue even though both classes are technically vastly superior.

[Wakanda]

Root-rotting/DOTing was a staple for all of the druids I knew and encountered, including myself. I could never be bothered to fear-kite, and I only snare-kited when quadding (or on those annoying occasions when root kept breaking).

I'll take your word on it then. I obviously didn't play one until after LoY came out and at that point... EQ wasn't even the same game anymore.

[Jimjam]

I remember that sentiment as well. I also dunno if root-rotting was really a huge thing in original EQ. Reason I say this is my next door neighbor was a Druid. And I remember watching him play, and being confused why he would use snare and stinging swarm, and other DoT's to kill mobs (same strat was used for killing Sand Giants at level 35).

After watching him I asked him why he doesn't just root the mob, and pointed out that this is stupid to be running and sitting to med non-stop. He kept telling me "trust me, Michael, you have no clue." And then finally after 20-30 minutes of bugging him he said "fine, you want to see what happens when you use root? I'll show you."

And sure enough root broke so frequently that it wasn't really useful for kiting. With that in mind I can see Shamans being significantly worse at solo'ing. At the same time I remember watching high level shamans killing dwarf guards in BBM, so IDK.

I do know a few things from that time, in early EQ Shamans were seen as bad healers due to low wisdom, and not having a huge mana pool. And when it comes to damage, I don't think a lot of us had enough raw data to realize how insane their DoTs became at high level. I remember being shocked when I found out how much damage their level 49 DoTs did, and I can't remember, but I feel like I may not have realized this UNTIL I started playing P99. I remember Shaman as the class that slowed and gave me some of my fav buffs as a Rogue ;)

I remember levelling a shaman post-pop in OT. I know this as I remember zoning in from the book, buffed with kei (maybe potg too? idk but definitely K) and just running around dotting a bunch of sabretooths with sow while my lil doggy bit at their ankles. It was fun times.

[druidbob]

I think Druid is still the most popular class on P99 by far? It always cracks me up how people will talk about how they are the worst class in the game, not the best healer, not the best solo'er, yet they are one of the classes to just play the game.

I think Ranger could be similar in this regard. A Ranger is going to have a much easier time exploring around the world and even solo'ing than a Warrior or a Rogue even though both classes are technically vastly superior.

At a time when dial a port was not a thing and jboot mqs weren't common, being able to self port and SoW was such a huge QoL buff. To this day its why I always play Druid and Wizards, I just like being able to jump across the continent whenever I want.

[cd288]

I think Druid is still the most popular class on P99 by far? It always cracks me up how people will talk about how they are the worst class in the game, not the best healer, not the best solo'er, yet they are one of the classes to just play the game.

I think Ranger could be similar in this regard. A Ranger is going to have a much easier time exploring around the world and even solo'ing than a Warrior or a Rogue even though both classes are technically vastly superior.

Because they aren't a good class overall. Those people are correct.

Druid is one of the highest played classes on P99 because it's very newbie friendly. You have heals and buffs that work well enough on yourself, you have multiple different ways to solo including root rotting which is obviously very newbie friendly in itself. And you get SoW and teleports so you can get around easier.

But yeah Druids aren't really good at anything technically.

[Wakanda]

Because they aren't a good class overall. Those people are correct.

Druid is one of the highest played classes on P99 because it's very newbie friendly. You have heals and buffs that work well enough on yourself, you have multiple different ways to solo including root rotting which is obviously very newbie friendly in itself. And you get SoW and teleports so you can get around easier.

But yeah Druids aren't really good at anything technically.

I also think Druids having more versatility makes them appealing to groups too ( compared to a lot of classes ).

[Wakanda]

IE. Everyone loves Enchanter, but I feel like it's harder for me to start a group as an Enc than it would be as a Druid. Currently find myself playing an Enc, surrounded by LFG melees, but we can never find a healer. If I was a Druid it would be a lot easier for me to get the ball rolling.

[Duik]

Emergent player behavior requires emergent dev action. This alone does not make something "unclassic". The very act of devs responding to unpredictable player behavior *is* classic.

For example, when EQ first launched /consent allowed you to fully loot other people's corpses. The devs quickly realized this was ripe for abuse and nerfed it to the existing summon mechanic. And when they did, I was the first one there screaming "this is unclassssicccc!!!!"

Ciderpress. You suck, becuase you are so correct. Not because you are wrong.

/me is eating own words about Ciderpress.

The term Emergent behaviour should be added to the " U]is it classic[/U]" nomenclature.

[putrid_plum]

I played EQ when it started, I remember enchanters grouping and as crowd control; never charming. I remember trying to do it in Guk as a necro and my group getting insanely pissed off about how I'm endangering them all.

[Duik]

Root also overwrote (until a patch, dunno when) snare so rooting if it held wad fine, until it didnt. Then you had a nonsnared mob stampeding towards you.

[Nexii]

IDK if these will get me banned

https://i.ibb.co/xtB8My8Q/exampe1.png
https://i.ibb.co/whNbRPfY/example2.png
https://i.ibb.co/VpqNQ8WH/example3.png
https://i.ibb.co/SX3W7ZxX/example4.png
https://i.ibb.co/fYS0gDwD/example5.png

A year - to a year and a half into EQ, some of the highest level Enchanters at the time made no mention of Charm. Enchanters were generally considered mez/buff bots. Enchanter was also a fairly rare class for those of you who don't remember.

https://i.ibb.co/hFXsVmRs/example6.png

https://i.ibb.co/F4653S7v/exmaple7.png
https://www.oocities.org/xymarra/Strategy/EnchanterStrategy.html

A website from 2001. They mostly viewed Charm as a form of CC, potentially high DPS, but not worth the risk in most situations. Definitely not something you would use in most groups. Contrary to what people on P99 claim.

I definitely did charm on my enchanter back in that era. However I feel like a) it broke more often, and b) it wasn't as easy to re-charm due to higher interruption rates.

Some could be player skill/ping back then too, of course. It was more feasible in groups with a druid for long snare. You could dual wield pets and haste them, as well.

Player gear was pretty bad back then also, so a lot of enchanter mana just went to CC and slow to keep the downtime to zero. Only in more healer heavy groups I'd say that I charmed on the regular. Typically not groups with one cleric as the only healer.

[Jimjam]

Thanks for sharing your timely experiences Nexii.

Isn't channeling success a function of fps, not unlike fall damage, so better puta probably mean better recharm?

[sammoHung]

Thanks for sharing your timely experiences Nexii.

Isn't channeling success a function of fps, not unlike fall damage, so better puta probably mean better recharm?

Imagine trying to Stun then GCD then Mez then GCD then Stun then GCD then Charm with your single digit Megabyte Ram on dial-up in 2000?

I played EQ on a HP Desktop with 75 MHz clock, 8MB Ram, on a 56 kbps dial-up connection through AOL.

It took me a good 1 minute to zone, let alone do the actions per minute required to keep a tough charmed pet along with CC.

I didn't play a caster until Comcast came around and installed High Speed Internet cables.

[cd288]

Imagine trying to Stun then GCD then Mez then GCD then Stun then GCD then Charm with your single digit Megabyte Ram on dial-up in 2000?

I played EQ on a HP Desktop with 75 MHz clock, 8MB Ram, on a 56 kbps dial-up connection through AOL.

It took me a good 1 minute to zone, let alone do the actions per minute required to keep a tough charmed pet along with CC.

I didn't play a caster until Comcast came around and installed High Speed Internet cables.

This lol

[cd288]

I also think Druids having more versatility makes them appealing to groups too ( compared to a lot of classes ).

Druids are good in groups until like mid-30s or so when their healing just can't keep up with the mob damage and Clerics are really needed. Before that Druid can MH a group just as easily.

[Namsaknoi]

I recall a Sebilis Crypt session on live, we had an average geared (poorly geared by P99 standard) level 59 enchanter in group. Since we were clearing fast without touching emp room, the enchanter suggested charming a skeleton for extra dps. He claimed to have about 200 cha with self buff. It went something like resist - ae stun - resist - mez - get heal from cleric - charm, but last 1 min - ae stun - resist - charm for 5+ min, but break during fight - ae stun - mez. He decided to stop since it was eating too much of cleric's mana.

I don't think regular charm farming in Velk's, Chardok, or HS would have been feasible even with 255cha on live at the time.

[cd288]

I recall a Sebilis Crypt session on live, we had an average geared (poorly geared by P99 standard) level 59 enchanter in group. Since we were clearing fast without touching emp room, the enchanter suggested charming a skeleton for extra dps. He claimed to have about 200 cha with self buff. It went something like resist - ae stun - resist - mez - get heal from cleric - charm, but last 1 min - ae stun - resist - charm for 5+ min, but break during fight - ae stun - mez. He decided to stop since it was eating too much of cleric's mana.

I don't think regular charm farming in Velk's, Chardok, or HS would have been feasible even with 255cha on live at the time.

As usual with discussions on charm, none of this is relevant. For one, the Enchanter didn't tash. For two, the Enchanter gave no -MR gear to the pet.

For three, when XPing in the late 50s, mobs you're charm killing can be down in the mid-40s. Skeletons in Seb IIRC can be like low 50s. The first saving roll on Charm breaks is level difference between the player and the mob I believe.

Point being, your experience is anecdotal and seemingly explained by multiple factors showing a lack of the Enchanter's understanding of what affects Charm.

If people have direct evidence of Charm mechanics being different on P99 then please present it so the staff can make changes. Otherwise, these "well I swear I had this one experience with an Enchanter charming at this vague point in time, and can provide vague details about what happened, but no I can't provide any evidence about the code or classic mechanics" posts should just be left in the trash.

[Wakanda]

Druids are good in groups until like mid-30s or so when their healing just can't keep up with the mob damage and Clerics are really needed. Before that Druid can MH a group just as easily.

I genuinely have an easier time solo healing on a Shaman than a Cleric unless the group is really good. On my Clerics I feel like I'm constantly OOM and struggling unless I have Clarity. On my Shamans I feel like this isn't really the case. I'm thinking about making another Shaman soon if yall want to play :D

[sammoHung]

I genuinely have an easier time solo healing on a Shaman than a Cleric unless the group is really good. On my Clerics I feel like I'm constantly OOM and struggling unless I have Clarity. On my Shamans I feel like this isn't really the case. I'm thinking about making another Shaman soon if yall want to play :D

Slow is the best heal. Kinda crazy that you can guarantee 25% less incoming damage, starting at level 5 for just 20 mana. (Drowsy)

By level 52 with Turgurs, 70% less incoming damage is nuts for only 250 mana, the same mana cost of Superior Healing

[Wakanda]

Also I've never given a mob a -MR item on P99 and have leveled multiple Enchanters to 60 on P99. My current Enchanter just hit level 57 this morning. I know in theory you get the items back, but I'm too scared of losing items + I hate carrying a bunch of stuff in my bags.

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I've also watched every Rektyou video and I never see him using -MR items in his videos, although I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't use them and I doubt he would say they are useless. I've definitely had enchanters in my group use them. But I guess my point is that like.... you don't need -MR items to use charm with great success on P99.

In this case the Enchanter is doing the same aforementioned camp, and is only level 58. There's also a lot of other weird things people try to tell me. One of the big ones is that Dark Elf hide isn't useful for Enchanters. Yet I regularly use it to break Charm so effectively that I dread eventually equipping a Gazhugi ring because I don't want to crummy stats on it.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Ring_of_Stealthy_Travel

^I'm thinking about getting one of these instead?

[Wakanda]

I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't use them
I mean to say I wouldn't be shocked if he DOES use them ... during his personal play time. No edit feature. :eek:

[Wakanda]

Oh I also meant to point out that I think your level makes more of a difference than your +CHA / Tash. When I first started doing Grobb guards in my late 40s, even with Charisma & Tash, charm was breaking fairly often. Noticed that charm started to almost never break as I got closer to the mid 50s, so I experimented with not buffing my charisma or using tash (there's a few guards that kill each other really fast) and found out that I don't really seem to need them anymore. If I was lower level this would prob make the same content unplayable though.

[Wakanda]

I'm in a loop of these videos now

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not to be a hater, but im not sure that these same strategies would work in 2025

pacify nerf pretty rough

[Jimjam]

Good posts Wakanda. I place lived experience highly in this kind of stuff as there are so many moving parts I don't believe it is possible to rigorously control variables in a more quasiexperimental set up.

[kjs86z2]

Also I've never given a mob a -MR item on P99 and have leveled multiple Enchanters to 60 on P99.

Its worth it if you're going to be keeping a single pet for a long time or if you're doing something difficult enough where every charm break is life or death.

Its a pretty inexpensive kit. I've lost a couple steel hilted flint daggers, those hurt.

[Jimjam]

Blackburrow is very unclassic and produces a rediculous number of rusty spiked shoulders (among other loot).

[Ravager]

What happened to RnF? This isn't how I remember it.

[cd288]

Oh I also meant to point out that I think your level makes more of a difference than your +CHA / Tash. When I first started doing Grobb guards in my late 40s, even with Charisma & Tash, charm was breaking fairly often. Noticed that charm started to almost never break as I got closer to the mid 50s, so I experimented with not buffing my charisma or using tash (there's a few guards that kill each other really fast) and found out that I don't really seem to need them anymore. If I was lower level this would prob make the same content unplayable though.

I believe from the code that the saves are equal and that none makes a larger difference than the other. I think level difference seems like it makes more difference because it's the one factor you can't really control as much. CHA you can buff and increase with gear (and you're not going to see a massive difference from 10-15 additional CHA, it's incremental so it feels like it doesn't make as visible a difference) and MR you can obviously tash (and a lot of general XP mobs aren't going to have really high MR anyway).

[cd288]

Its worth it if you're going to be keeping a single pet for a long time or if you're doing something difficult enough where every charm break is life or death.

Its a pretty inexpensive kit. I've lost a couple steel hilted flint daggers, those hurt.

This. You wouldn't do it for charm killing unless you had to for some reason. But for the other commenter's example of a Seb skel pet, not giving them -MR gear is likely having an impact (that and the Ench didn't Tash lol).

[Wakanda]

What happened to RnF? This isn't how I remember it.
I think the rules are pretty strict now compared how they were in the olden days. But also I just post here to avoid being found guilty of trolling. I feel like there should be a general non-off topic subforum. It feels weird being forced to chose between blue or green general, so I use RnF for most of my non-serious EQ discussions for safety.

[Namsaknoi]

This. You wouldn't do it for charm killing unless you had to for some reason. But for the other commenter's example of a Seb skel pet, not giving them -MR gear is likely having an impact (that and the Ench didn't Tash lol).

Tash was in, I didn't add assuming it would be obvious but didn't expect you to keep bringing it up. But no -MR 'pet gear' of course, it certainly wasn't the standard back then, at least from what I knew. Only 'sin' the enchanter had was that he was level 59 instead of level 60, no '-MR pet gear', 200ish cha instead of 255, and probably below 2000hp and below 800ac unbuffed, instead of 3000+hp and 1000+ac unbuffed some of the farmer chanters on P99. I was playing druid back then, and he requested me to snare it, probably a sissy move by P99 standards, but was relatively reasonable back then.

[sammoHung]

T and 1000+ac unbuffed some of the farmer chanters on P99.

Is it even possible for an enchanter to hit 1k AC unbuffed? My shaman is in ToV gear and only has around 1100 unbuffed. dont think theres many enchanter items with 40AC like shaman gear has

[Namsaknoi]

Is it even possible for an enchanter to hit 1k AC unbuffed? My shaman is in ToV gear and only has around 1100 unbuffed. dont think theres many enchanter items with 40AC like shaman gear has

I was exaggerating a bit on how well equipped some P99 farmer chanters are, but technically it should still be possible with BIS and near BIS equipments (ie vulak robe, some shield, tormax crown etc)

[fable_kid]

#save P99

[cd288]

I think the rules are pretty strict now compared how they were in the olden days. But also I just post here to avoid being found guilty of trolling. I feel like there should be a general non-off topic subforum. It feels weird being forced to chose between blue or green general, so I use RnF for most of my non-serious EQ discussions for safety.

He knows because he was banned

[shovelquest]

What happened to RnF? This isn't how I remember it.

They wont merge the servers or start a new one so we're all doing other stuff rn to flame about.

[fable_kid]

SAVE P99