Do you think FD pulling would have been a thing?

[Wakanda]

If Enchanters had been a meta / mainstream class? I kind of don’t. I know everyone on here likes to larp that we all knew charm was OP and Enchanters were always the meta, but that wasn’t a thing from my perspective. FD pulling was a huge thing because of the fact that we didn’t have reliable on-demand CC.

Was noticing in MnM monks really aren’t great pullers because FD isn’t required now that multiple classes have mez or the equivalent, but then I started thinking about the fact that I leveled a necro to 60 on P99 without ever having a need for FD and started wondering how it even works compared to the monk ability.

But then I had a flashback to actually leveling a shadow knight in 2001 and wondered why I didn’t use the spell version of FD back then and then I remembered the game had already evolved to the point where most groups had an Enchanter and the goal was actually to pull as many mobs as possible. Still no charm non sense of course 😹

But yeah I really dunno if monk pulling / FD would have become a meta or mainstream thing if enchanters had been integral to gameplay since day 1. And yes I know monk FD can split fire giants and other tough pulls in PoH. But I think outside of those niche functions, Monks prob wouldn’t have been associated exclusively with FD pulling and that it mainly became a thing due to the fact we had no mez :eek:

[Namsaknoi]

Spell resists work very differently on P99 compared to live.
Players can land spells much easier on NPCs
NPCs can land spells much easier on players
Resist is less effective, on live, you would be pretty much immune at 200, here spells can still land on you with 400
Charm, mez, root resisted a lot upon casting, and often broke within first 10 ticks (1 min) even when landed
On live, at least up to Velious, monk, SK, bard, warrior, ranger often pulled from what I remember, and sometimes duo effort

[sammoHung]

Yes, because of ToV and other zones where Enc cannot pacify / mez, etc.

Although - there are other tactics like dirty/clean tagging with TL's to bind for the dirty tag. But that would require having your pullers bound outside of ToV - which unless you were a caster, probably wasn't a thing in raid guilds in 2001.

[cd288]

Don't think this is related to mez really. It's just more of the fact that people know there are multiple ways to CC mobs and it's pretty easy to burn down multiple mobs quickly. People are more geared as well and as such that makes it easier. I would imagine that current technology and internet stability plays a bit of a role as well...people aren't going LD frequently like they were in 1999.

Also, everyone can just get rezzed by a clicky Cleric if things go wrong and you'll be right back to grinding XP in like 10 minutes.

People just aren't worried about mass pulls of mobs anymore for a variety of reasons.

[Infectious]

Fd pulling was a thing a few years ago. All it takes is a twink or two and your group is pulling 4-5 mobs at a time.

[Rygar]

Consider taking a break from posting new threads or at least make them in the proper forum

[Reiwa]

Consider taking a break from posting new threads or at least make them in the proper forum

Posting in server chats gets you lectured by dweebuses.

Joe is right to stay in the RNF safe space.

[Wakanda]

Consider taking a break from posting new threads or at least make them in the proper forum

I don't even look at the forums on a daily basis. The forums are just so inactive that if someone makes a thread once a week, it looks like spam. In reality there are threads I made months ago... that are still on the front page, lol.

I don't think it's just a lack of interest in P99 either, I think that people just prefer Reddit and Discord now.

Also the rules for the forums specifically say if you have to troll, then do it in RnF. While many of my threads aren't actually trolling, they are not serious in nature. Do I remember dragoon dirk dropping off of guards in Nektulos? No. Did I spend hundreds of hours camping said guards through 1999-2001? Yes. Is it this really a serious issues that needs to be addressed immediately? No.

But who else am I going to talk to about EQ? No one I know outside of EQ even knows what EQ is. It's kind of a weird plight to be in and something most gamers will never be able to relate to. IE. A WoW player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk to WoW about. A league of legends player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk about league of legends with.

Those of us who like more niche obscure games like EQ, MnM, Pantheon etc. don't have easy access to similar outlets unfortunately.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Don't think this is related to mez really. It's just more of the fact that people know there are multiple ways to CC mobs and it's pretty easy to burn down multiple mobs quickly. People are more geared as well and as such that makes it easier. I would imagine that current technology and internet stability plays a bit of a role as well...people aren't going LD frequently like they were in 1999.

Also, everyone can just get rezzed by a clicky Cleric if things go wrong and you'll be right back to grinding XP in like 10 minutes.

People just aren't worried about mass pulls of mobs anymore for a variety of reasons.

Hear, hear. Facts are like a giant bell tolling over the land of p99 forums once more. This game's mechanics are meta-gamed.
https://i.imgur.com/LIBMb6U.jpeg

The challenge for players, given a static gameworld like p99, is how to still enjoy the gameworld and the gameplay.

Plus, the other two factors. At least one -- monetization -- is curtailed on p99.

My opinion is p99 is well-situated for the future, strangely. The TLP's and live do not intervene in what players do at the client end, and the bot end. As we move forward in this era, being able to declare a "no bots! no boxes!" policy is an ace in the hole and stands out from the pack.

Lvl 1-10 minigame is best way to spend a slow day at Initech.

[cd288]

I don't even look at the forums on a daily basis. The forums are just so inactive that if someone makes a thread once a week, it looks like spam. In reality there are threads I made months ago... that are still on the front page, lol.

I don't think it's just a lack of interest in P99 either, I think that people just prefer Reddit and Discord now.

Also the rules for the forums specifically say if you have to troll, then do it in RnF. While many of my threads aren't actually trolling, they are not serious in nature. Do I remember dragoon dirk dropping off of guards in Nektulos? No. Did I spend hundreds of hours camping said guards through 1999-2001? Yes. Is it this really a serious issues that needs to be addressed immediately? No.

But who else am I going to talk to about EQ? No one I know outside of EQ even knows what EQ is. It's kind of a weird plight to be in and something most gamers will never be able to relate to. IE. A WoW player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk to WoW about. A league of legends player is going to have an easy time finding millions of other people to talk about league of legends with.

Those of us who like more niche obscure games like EQ, MnM, Pantheon etc. don't have easy access to similar outlets unfortunately.

A lot of your posts could easily be posted in green or blue discussion FYI

[WarpathEQ]

Mark thread as do not read, waste of time.

WTF are you even talking about? Monk FD pulling is currently a thing in an era of overgeared, overinflated, overrepresented, and under-resisted CC so of course its even more a thing in the absence of all of that during classic.

#TakeLessDrugs

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Is this going meta about why someone even posted this?

Are we saying, there is little to no value in these posts? Are we saying forumquest is just this ridiculous bubble, and we pretend, we pretend what exactly?

https://i.imgur.com/N47TgRR.jpeg

[WarpathEQ]

#Don'tOverdoseAndPost

[Wakanda]

Mark thread as do not read, waste of time.

WTF are you even talking about? Monk FD pulling is currently a thing in an era of overgeared, overinflated, overrepresented, and under-resisted CC so of course its even more a thing in the absence of all of that during classic.

#TakeLessDrugs

It may be at the high end for raiding, but my experience on P99 Green when the server was new was pullers getting yelled at for not pulling enough mobs, not for expertly splitting mobs and bringing single mobs in.

Very different than when I played a Monk at the Sarnak Fort in LOIO in 2000. Constantly FD pulling every single time, if I accidentally brought 2 mobs, my group might wipe, and if I brought 3, we had to train to the FM zone-line. It was actually a core part of every Monks' entire life-style. In 2025 I think people would yell at the Monk and ask him what the hold up is, and why he only brought one mob.

[Wakanda]

damn i have another thread i want to make but ill have to wait a couple of days becus im tired of hearing people complain 24/7 that i already made a thread this week

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You could lag people out in classic with a big pull. Maybe even a few LD's.

Managing "client load" so to speak was behind a lot of raid tactics. I'm not saying they are the reason for those tactics but I am saying, this is the reason why some tactics were preferred and became the norm.

Just like enchanters never were asked to charm. Which people will deny. But most groups wanted no corpse retrieval and no lag and no LD's, rule 1, 2, and 3.

[Wakanda]

Just like enchanters never were asked to charm. Which people will den.

idk if you saw my posts itt (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3771409&postcount=10) but i did come with some actual proof that most enchanters didnt even consider charm a relevant ability in early EQ

i feel like in the past people never presented actual evidence (which triggers me)
ill be honest man, i feel like enchanter was probably the most rare class in early eq, the idea that every group had one with a charmed pet is super out of touch. i think i was 50+ before i realized mesmerize was a good ability after it saved an entire PoH raid from a certain wipe.

we literally saw enchanters as a joke class whose main job was to make jewelry. i didnt even know why people cared about clarity as a rogue. it didnt seem to do anything from what i could tell :eek:

[Belambic]

Enchanter's in the early days before everyone was Max level, were just thought of as mana dispensers. Crowd control wasn't considered their job until much later. At least that's what I recall.

[Jimjam]

I swear there was a stealth change which made charms somehow work better when Luclin came out. I happened to be levelling an enc again and for some reason charm seemed to be working well at yelloweyes camp when any previous attempts were just far too treacherous. I always rolled untwinked darkelves so I don’t think it was to do with differing starting stats.

[Wakanda]

I swear there was a stealth change which made charms somehow work better when Luclin came out. I happened to be levelling an enc again and for some reason charm seemed to be working well at yelloweyes camp when any previous attempts were just far too treacherous. I always rolled untwinked darkelves so I don’t think it was to do with differing starting stats.

There probably was because that's when everyone starts to really start talking about it. I think that's also when they got the original dire charm, so maybe they did re-work it since it was obvious that they wanted it to be more of a thing.

I also feel like Luclin may have been the era where we started to get better PCs (you had to upgrade for Luclin models, let's keep it real, and cable internet started to become the norm).

[Jimjam]

I doubt people talking about dire charm really impacted my behaviour on a teenage enchanter in PC on Tallon Zek. Especially cos wasn't that like a PoP spell? I don't remember hearing about DC until PoP - due to the tier 1 zones always having a lil gimmie guy at zone in for encs to DC (they'd hate it when melees soloed these for xp cos melee couldn't really solo the proper mobs).

[Wakanda]

I doubt people talking about dire charm really impacted my behaviour on a teenage enchanter in PC on Tallon Zek. Especially cos wasn't that like a PoP spell? I don't remember hearing about DC until PoP - due to the tier 1 zones always having a lil gimmie guy at zone in for encs to DC (they'd hate it when melees soloed these for xp cos melee couldn't really solo the proper mobs).
I didn't realize that those mobs were put there for charm even though I remember killing them :eek:

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Chew through content first, pretend you're a mage on your own dime.

Just being never afk during breaks but instead being on the spot with buffs, made you an MVP in the tedious reality of 6 hour raids.

Insomnia. And an iron bladder. These are the makings of a raiding enchanter at the turn of the century. Buffs missing have pissed off no one, if I'm aboard.

[Wakanda]

Chew through content first, pretend you're a mage on your own dime.

Just being never afk during breaks but instead being on the spot with buffs, made you an MVP in the tedious reality of 6 hour raids.

Insomnia. And an iron bladder. These are the makings of a raiding enchanter at the turn of the century. Buffs missing have pissed off no one, if I'm aboard.

I remember being like 15 and never being able to wake up for school on time, constantly over-sleeping and missing the bus. I couldn't even fathom how anyone could possibly wake up at 6AM. Flash forward a couple of months and I'm setting my alarm clock for 4AM on a weekend to attend 12+ hours Plane of Hate raids :) 6 hours .... I feel like that wouldn't have even scratched the surface!

[atomicpaul]

hah. my dad was in my bedroom banging pots and pans together if i wasnt up by 6am daily. earlier on saturdays, since we had more time to do work around the house. if i had friends over, they were put to work as well.