Well Done, THJ. You changed EQEmu forever.

[sammoHung]

https://www.eqemulator.org/index.php?pageid=dbgtos

[sammoHung]

Highlights:

7. All EQEmulator gameplay must remain exactly the same as the original EverQuest game. You shall not add, alter, or introduce any scripts, plug-ins, artwork, maps, assets, or other materials that change, extend, or replace the original EverQuest gameplay experiences, rules, mechanics, character traits, artwork, or strategies. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you are permitted to make minor changes or additions to add custom content (e.g., a new NPC, a new quest, a holiday event, etc.) provided that (i) you do not materially alter the difficulty of the game or fundamental gameplay mechanics, and (ii) by adding such custom content you agree to enforce a lower player cap as specified in Section 9, below.


9. Each EQEmulator game shall be operated as a single server with a population cap, such that the number of concurrent users playing on the server at any given time shall not exceed eight hundred (800); provided, however, in the event you add custom content in accordance with section 7, above, the enforced player cap shall be four hundred (400).

14. You acknowledge and agree that operating an EQEmulator server is done at your own risk. You acknowledge and agree that all intellectual property rights in EverQuest, including without limitation all trademarks, copyrights, and patents associated with the game, are the sole and exclusive property of Daybreak Game Company LLC (“Daybreak”), and your operation of an EQEmulator server is subject to Daybreak’s permission, which it may revoke for any reason or no reason at any time, without any liability to you or any other person or entity. You agree to fully and immediately comply with any demand from Daybreak to modify, restrict, or shut down any EQEmulator server. Alternatively, EQEmulator may shut down any EQEmulator server upon request from Daybreak. EQEmulator reserves the right to disable, delist, or permanently remove any EQEmulator server at any time, with or without any notice, if it determines that the server violates these Terms or any applicable law.

THJ fans don't give a shit about any of this. They just want their server back. Meanwhile, people who have been working on custom content for 5, 10, 20 years have to agree not to use any custom content on any server.

[Ekco]

on the bright side we finally got to see the agreements daybreak has with the projects.

[sammoHung]

That's true. But up until this week there wasn't even a general server operator agreement. Now there is, and it caps servers with custom content at 400.

[shovelquest]

This is great news, nice work THJ!

[wuanahto]

people said rooted dragons would kill the game
i... didnt think it would happen like this

[Reiwa]

Who were the players in achieving this agreement?

https://cdn.britannica.com/47/38547-004-0D8744F7/Vidkun-Quisling.jpg

[DillPickerson]

Far out, man!

[shovelquest]

They have 8,000 players and think they've got pokimon lmao

https://mmostats.com/game/everquest?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[shovelquest]

damn I guess that translates into like 30 mil a year revinue AI says what a world live is such horrific dog shit. I can't imagine playing it but there were people all over the damn place.

[Ekco]

i'm on blue so far this is nothing but good news tbh

/who all count
There are 263 players in Everquest.

come home elf men you're contractually obligated

[shovelquest]

The only innovative mod that actually went live was THJ anyway, oh well.

i was gonna say RIP Eq VR but this guy hasn't posted in 4 years ��*♂️

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Had hopes for this too.

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[onmove_broke]

I think the best we can hope for is that M&M does very well.

[shovelquest]

Would be cool if they allowed a mod tool.

Would be an epic move to release a: "classic MMO inspired MMO maker" following dick breaks recent "ban on fun".

[sammoHung]

damn I guess that translates into like 30 mil a year revinue AI says what a world live is such horrific dog shit. I can't imagine playing it but there were people all over the damn place.

I have to find a screenshot of the last time I logged in. Someone was a giant gingerbread man

[Duik]

Shovel was right! He stated "THJ would own EverQuest".

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Well played THJ devs, well played.

[Duik]

WoWerQuest was right there...

[shovelquest]

WoWerQuest was right there...

:(

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[Ekco]

I think the best we can hope for is that M&M does very well.

i hope it does well for the devs sake but mark me down in the sunk cost camp, i don't have another 1-50 run in me and couldn't give less of a fuck about a homage to EQ

[shovelquest]

Looks pretty alright. Cute halflings.

-jpxIiNgJ_U

[Ekco]

it's great, they should get a engine dev to write something that's not unity and emulate the eq client also though. go a inch, go a mile.

[shovelquest]

Lets make everquest in roblox prob get 45 million players.

[Ekco]

let's not.

make gatekeeping great again.

/burp

[shovelquest]

see u real soon (on my everoblox server)

[CrazyPro]

i was gonna say RIP Eq VR but this guy hasn't posted in 4 years ��*♂️


That project is just a standalone thing that uses everquest assets, it's not an emulator at all.

[shovelquest]

That project is just a standalone thing that uses everquest assets, it's not an emulator at all.

We can only hope at this point that they wont go after those as well.

[Duik]

I know, imma create an emulated server, add a bunch of custom content, modify the current client and then have a "donate to win" monetization model.

Let the good times roll.

DBG is gonna love it!

[shovelquest]

Imagine winning a mod.

[vales]

this obviously doesn't apply to p99

[Rygar]

Very bad news for Red99, with custom exp gains and no item loot they are crippled with 400 player count. How PvP going to go with THAT low of pop??

For reals, if I play p99 again would be red tho

[long.liam]

Very bad news for Red99, with custom exp gains and no item loot they are crippled with 400 player count. How PvP going to go with THAT low of pop??

For reals, if I play p99 again would be red tho

No one cares about Red.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Funky that this is real. It's just a dumb old game, really.

The fact that every fan of the game that had tinkered around with new content, is now being slapped like as if they suck and have no value to the company, is a fantastic tell about the company we are dealing with.

It's not a gaming company, it's a gaming IP holding company with narrow restrictions on what can be done and when.

They didn't say anything about allowing server xfers.

[Keebz]

It's not a gaming company, it's a gaming IP holding company with narrow restrictions on what can be done and when.

If it's an IP-holding company, I don't understand why they haven't done anything new with the IP in going on 20 years. THJ and all these fans servers are a clear signal there's an un-served market here.

[shovelquest]

It looks like its a video game "marketing company". So they are not about doing anything new, just marketing and selling their dead products?

Enad Global 7 (EG7) owns several video game and marketing companies, including Daybreak Game Company, Big Blue Bubble, Piranha Games, and Petrol Advertising.

[loramin]

If it's an IP-holding company, I don't understand why they haven't done anything new with the IP in going on 20 years. THJ and all these fans servers are a clear signal there's an un-served market here.

They are about to release their 32nd expansion (https://www.redguides.com/community/threads/everquest-2025-32nd-expansion-shattering-of-ro.94989/) to that IP, so I don't think it's accurate to say they haven't done anything.

It seems clear their business plan revolves around making money off Live (specifically off the "whales" that pay extra). Everything else in their business (including allowing classic emulators) is simply a means to drive more people toward the money-making engine that is live.

You can debate whether they could make more money with a different plan, but it's wrong to suggest they're not still trying to cash in.

Very bad news for Red99, with custom exp gains and no item loot they are crippled with 400 player count.

I don't think that published emulator agreement is P99's agreement. It's widely believed (though I haven't seen it confirmed) that this is the P99 agreement: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.819107/gov.uscourts.casd.819107.53.4.pdf

[shovelquest]

You can debate whether they could make more money with a different plan, but it's wrong to suggest they're not still trying to cash in.

Nobody said they weren't trying to exploit the IP to make cash.

We said they were not trying to do anything NEW you god damn donkey.

[loramin]

Nobody said they weren't trying to exploit the IP to make cash.

Did you even read what I quoted?

I don't understand why they haven't done anything new with the IP in going on 20 years.

We said they were not trying to do anything NEW you god damn donkey
Did you even read my response to that quote (about the NEW EQ expansion)?

[sammoHung]

We said they were not trying to do anything NEW

Idk in that second to last Xpac they made Dark Elf Rangers an option

[shovelquest]

Did you even read what I quoted?

Did YOU?!

I don't understand why they haven't done anything new with the IP in going on 20 years.

I don't think it's accurate to say they haven't done anything.

[Ekco]

they actually did better work with the poFear/Hate/Velious/Kunark/Luclin reboots than the last couple expansions under SOE when they still had it in pre 2015,

Veil of Alaris was literally some luclin 2.0 cats on the moon dumb shit but instead of cats it was aliens, after "the company" was sold and rebranded someone not retarded said yeah uhh let's just reboot the expansions that were actually good instead for 5 years, think those were the last ones headed by the last of the old guard in management positions before they moved over to blizzard not 100% on that though but the company now is def back to making complete bullshit expansion wise

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/plR44Vu.png

[Ekco]

when you eat the wrong foraged mushrooms

[shovelquest]

Once ytou get through all those vampires, ghouls, goblins, dragons, and gothic castles.

There is a whole bunch of fuckn lucky charms for you to fight for the next 150 levels.

[Ibex]

It is fun to daydream...

If I was the dictator of Daybreak, I would see the abundantly obvious narcotic effect EQ nostalgia has on a decent chunk of people who would love nothing more than to play an official EQ with a loving spit polish applied that does not in any way tamper with the game. Don't change the art, just give it some muscle with modern technology. Don't change the game, just finish what the original developers so obviously never finished due to being rushed to push expansions out. Let me hear the original music motifs play more elegantly based on location and have them fade in and out with pizazz. Let me see my cloak of flames billow a little bit.

Don't change the game, just finish it. Watch old players return in droves, even the kind who would not play P99. Watch them get excited. Watch their excitement infect others. Profit.

This game is so damn old and still has a damn near mystical appeal to those who played it and some folks who only heard the tales of "back in the day." You're sitting on a pot of gold, albeit maybe a tiny one, but gold nonetheless and you don't even use it for half its potential.

THJ was a natural symptom.

[shovelquest]

Theres countless examples of how AI could do infinitely better than every single human who's tried to follow in brads footsteps since at making a updated everquest game.

[shovelquest]

Still better than Live.

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[Ekco]

Theres countless examples of how AI could do infinitely better than every single human who's tried to follow in brads footsteps since at making a updated everquest game.

some people do good work, i like the videos of people using unity/unreal to remove the zone line boundaries, someone stitched all of Antonica together into a single zone and the other continents

87C15li3VAY

[CrazyPro]

Very bad news for Red99, with custom exp gains and no item loot they are crippled with 400 player count. How PvP going to go with THAT low of pop??

For reals, if I play p99 again would be red tho

"22. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between you and EQEmulator with respect to your operation of an EQEmulator server and supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, except such formal, written agreements you may have directly with Daybreak."

[Duik]

Zoneless EverQuest guy nails it.

Don't.
Monetize.

Also pretty funny his game studio is owned by an EverQueat competitor.

Awk(Sed)Ward!

[Reiwa]

some people do good work, i like the videos of people using unity/unreal to remove the zone line boundaries, someone stitched all of Antonica together into a single zone and the other continents

87C15li3VAY

Different Wiz than Dalaya?

[Duik]

This game is so damn old and still has a damn near mystical appeal to those who played it and some folks who only heard the tales of "back in the day." You're sitting on a pot of gold, albeit maybe a tiny one, but gold nonetheless and you don't even use it for half its potential.

THJ was a <-natural symptom-> pox on the rest of the emu community.


There, I fixed that last bit for you.

Italics: DBG Do Not Care About EverQuest Beyond The Money They Can Generate From It.

They dont have fond memories like we do, they dont yearn for the many unfinished quest lines to be completed. They just dont.

[shovelquest]

E7 filed the lawsuit, not DBG you donkey.

Everyone is a fricken donkey around here.

[shovelquest]

DBG does hard work.

Like updating this model 1 time after 27 years.

https://i.imgur.com/d3kVfPQ.gif

[Duik]

E7 filed the lawsuit, not DBG you donkey.

Everyone is a fricken donkey around here.

Eor, eor, eorlways calls me that.

Has THJ pwned DBG/E7 yet Señor Donkey?

[shovelquest]

Yeah everquest is a dog shit game with a dogshit community now.

[Ekco]

just the way i like it.

[shovelquest]

Its not the same. Not while E7 owns it.

You could be "querky" if you liked eq.

Now you're a donkey.

[Ekco]

it basically functions as the same nostalgia engine as p99 does for me at this point, i log on to chill by the pok bank sometimes. and the MGB tree by the main bank.

10/10 ftp video game.

[shovelquest]

Yeah and punk isn't dead either.

[Reiwa]

Yeah everquest is a dog shit game with a dogshit community now.

It's interesting that those who achieved their little fiefdoms aligned with the regime.

[shovelquest]

You download'n, boy?!

https://i.imgur.com/FWghfzp.png

[Ekco]

It's interesting that those who achieved their little fiefdoms aligned with the regime.

https://c.tenor.com/BA8K7bPA16AAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Reiwa]

https://c.tenor.com/BA8K7bPA16AAAAAC/tenor.gif

I haven't seen that movie so I had to look it up.

[Ekco]

i haven't either and don't know the context.

was gonna post the stop saying odd shit gif from true detective but i used it recently.

[Reiwa]

i haven't either and don't know the context.

was gonna post the stop saying odd shit gif from true detective but i used it recently.

It's a popular piece of media in some internet circles. But the majority of humanity hasn't seen it.

[shovelquest]

Im pretty sure that's Elf good reference very in season Ekco.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Memes get out of hand, everything flies apart here.
https://i.imgur.com/Z0B6Vdj.jpeg

[atomicpaul]

Yeah and punk isn't dead either.iW4Gdsnr2Bg

[shovelquest]

My 8 year old niece listens to punk music and loves disneyland.

[Duik]

My 8 year old niece listens to punk music and loves disneyland.

8yr olds also eat crayons and think 40 is old.

[shovelquest]

8yr olds also eat crayons.

I don't think that makes punk music sound very much alive i'm afraid.

[Bisonzabi]

DBG knows the vast majority of people are too law illiterate to understand that as long as you're not profiting off the games IP that you're pretty much in the clear. The fact that EQemulators announced this is pure overkill panic levels of hysteria.

[shovelquest]

sINCE i AM ILLEGERITE

[shovelquest]

I wanted to ask J-cGP if it was what it does say.

it sayz:

The terms don’t literally say “as long as you’re not profiting off the game’s IP you’re in the clear.” What they actually say is that EQEmulator is allowed only for non-commercial, fan-based use, and Daybreak (the rights holder) can shut you down anytime for any reason, even if you are following the non-profit rule.

So in plain English: yes, you’re mostly safe as long as you’re not making or taking any money or value from running an EQEmu server — no donations, ads, perks, subscriptions, or merch. But “in the clear” isn’t guaranteed, because Daybreak still reserves the right to revoke permission at any time.

So the short version is: non-profit = tolerated, but not legally protected.

[shovelquest]

I wonder if that means THJ can re-launch a server with no donations just to fuck with them and see what they do.

[atomicpaul]

My 8 year old niece listens to punk music and loves disneyland.have faith, she'll figure out which of those two things are cool eventually

[Bisonzabi]

Well DBG knows that the lawsuit they won will spook enough people to not even dare take their bluff of a C&D against a non-profit server utilizing custom content. This is nothing new in the grand scheme of emulation and PC mod projects since the late 90's ever since the 1999 Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. v. Connectix Corp. lawsuit which was a pivotal moment in emulation history where a scrappy underdog not just took the bluff, but won.
Good video and channel if you're interested in the topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcD420hP3YM

[shovelquest]

Imagine how incredibly based it would be if the THJ servers go up after the lawsuit with strict no donation policy

[Reiwa]

Well DBG knows that the lawsuit they won will spook enough people to not even dare take their bluff of a C&D against a non-profit server utilizing custom content. This is nothing new in the grand scheme of emulation and PC mod projects since the late 90's ever since the 1999 Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. v. Connectix Corp. lawsuit which was a pivotal moment in emulation history where a scrappy underdog not just took the bluff, but won.
Good video and channel if you're interested in the topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcD420hP3YM

You'll die before the investment bank will go bankrupt. The process is the punishment.

[Reiwa]

I wonder if that means THJ can re-launch a server with no donations just to fuck with them and see what they do.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/sKHBMzEp7ScAAAAd/joker-batman.gif

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[Bisonzabi]

You'll die before the investment bank will go bankrupt. The process is the punishment.

I'm pretty sure EQLive will die long before I do. Lot of the leftovers still subscribed to EQ1/EQ2 are bordering or are geriatrics and once they start croaking so does the revenue to even bother keeping the servers up.

[shovelquest]

The live everquest server really felt like it exists specifically for their ultra long term dedicated audience and not interested in recruiting new players.

I felt like i was intruding on some kind of afterlife cults simulated heaven.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The live everquest server really felt like it exists specifically for their ultra long term dedicated audience and not interested in recruiting new players.

I felt like i was intruding on some kind of afterlife cults simulated heaven.


For some, evercrack never ended. They never even migrated to eq2. In the 2006 fanfaire dinner, there was one table with eq1 players and all the other tables were eq2 guilds and competitors. EQ2 was a great game up until they eliminated the Avatars.

It was ez to char xfer in eq2, and that is how you stayed in the competitive circuit. Guild falls apart? recruit to a better guild on another server. The top guilds would pay for your transfer back, if they didn't decide to take you.

[sammoHung]

I felt like i was intruding on some kind of afterlife cults simulated heaven.

Ha. I've never heard it put this way, but damn that's accurate. I felt the same way when I logged in a few months ago

[Bisonzabi]

The live everquest server really felt like it exists specifically for their ultra long term dedicated audience and not interested in recruiting new players.

I felt like i was intruding on some kind of afterlife cults simulated heaven.

Once Sony sold the company to an obscure foreign investment company and not a major game publisher, the writing was on the wall that the IP would be treated - as someone said in another thread about THJ - like a warehouse product. Something there if you want try it, but not advertised or given much attention outside the faithful leftovers. It did get slightly better once DBG was handed off to a holding company involved in videogames like Enad in 2020, but it's still in the position of being something to squeeze whatever revenue is left of the prexisting fanbase.

For some, evercrack never ended. They never even migrated to eq2. In the 2006 fanfaire dinner, there was one table with eq1 players and all the other tables were eq2 guilds and competitors. EQ2 was a great game up until they eliminated the Avatars.

It was ez to char xfer in eq2, and that is how you stayed in the competitive circuit. Guild falls apart? recruit to a better guild on another server. The top guilds would pay for your transfer back, if they didn't decide to take you.

Actually playing EQ2 off and on upon revisiting it last year after retiring in early 2015 once SoE was sold off. Just doing solo play of ten years of content added to it along with events and messing with house building. This is the type of chit chat is what I usually see sporadically in the last main server that isn't a progression/origins server. Take in past two weeks
https://i.imgur.com/y8AvucJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/xL08vHX.jpeg

[Bisonzabi]

Biggest reason I returned is because the game offered 3 expansions for free (bought recent expansion) and converted to a 64 bit client and DX11. Even tried out origins last year. Game actually runs like you wish it did back in the 2000's, because this game's engine was (and still technically is) a duck taped unoptimized as fuck mess and ran so terribly even on top of the line single core CPU's in 04-05 that you had to play either on Medium-Low (vaseline settings) when grouping without it becoming single digit frame slideshow. Thankfully it can now circumvent most of it through sheer brute force especially without limiting to a 4gb RAM cap.
Didn't stop a lot of old timers moaning on the forums however over how that their relic PC from the 2000's was no longer capable of playing EQ2. Honestly more astonished they were still using a 32 bit PC in today's internet more then anything else.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

If I wanted to learn the mechanics all over, eq2's version of a TLP is imo far more fun and social experience than what original eq is doing with TLP's at this point.

Two years ago total coincidence, an old friend came to visit whose wife was a total geek in the "homecrafting" part of eq2. She invented stuff and showed me all her shit.

I logged into my long-untouched eq2 account and showed her my house, which was nicely laid out but all it had was every damn contested and raid housegear drop from the first 5 years.

She recognized my crafted whatever bed. "OMG is that obsidian?" You can't make those anymore!"

Of all the "things that will never happen to me" I got the "Someone will recognize all the items in your eq2 house."

Great.

[Tann]

so does that mean Quarm's already cap of 1200 just got reduced to 800?

p.s. to quote George Carlin, on the subject of those greedy THJ cunts "these dudes need be strapped to a gurney and have their testicles removed with cooking shears."

[loramin]

so does that mean Quarm's already cap of 1200 just got reduced to 800?

p.s. to quote George Carlin, on the subject of those greedy THJ cunts "these dudes need be strapped to a gurney and have their testicles removed with cooking shears."

I thought Quarm (like P99) had their own separate agreement, so the EQ Emu one doesn't apply (but whatever their agreement says does apply).

[sammoHung]

The new EQEmu agreement is superseded by Project 1999 and Quarm's separate agreements.

However, it is in place for all other servers using the EqEmu login server.