I messed up my faction and can't buy spells!

[moarwade]

Iksar Necro. I have been in Qeynos Hills for several levels killing the humanoids near Surefall Glade entrance, with the occasional trip to Qeynos Aqueducts to vendor.

Last night, someone asked for help killing Varsoon and without thinking, I ran over and helped out. The next time I went to the vendors as a newly leveled 29, they wouldn't sell to me! Conning dubious. (also I died and deleveled trying to get back LOL. It was a classic EQ moment for sure)

Varsoon was the only other factioned enemy I killed, and the wiki said he was a faction hit of 30. So I killed Neclo Rheslar who is a faction boost for the same ones 3 times (wiki says 10 faction gain) but the vendors are still dubious.

Am I on the right track? Should I just keep farming Neclo or is there another way to fix this? Thanks for any advice

[loramin]

It looks like Varsoon is on https://wiki.project1999.com/Bloodsabers faction. That page lists Neclo as being opposed to Bloodsabers, so yes killing him (or others on that list) enough times should recover your faction.

The thing to keep in mind about the wiki is that the factions are almost always correct, because players can see and fix them. The numbers however can't be seen (the wiki ones are based off the original EQ, when cheat programs allowed you to see faction numbers), so they're harder to correct if wrong.

As a result, your best bet is to ignore the numbers (or use them as a vague/general guide), and just focus on murdering innocent folk until the depraved people like you again :)

[moarwade]

Ahhh, I did not realize that the numbers weren't certain, that makes more sense. I'll keep slaughtering Neclo then. Appreciate your help!

[shovelquest]

The vendors might be on corrupt qeynos guards faction.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Corrupt_Qeynos_Guards

[Reiwa]

Didn't they release the real faction values and emus incorporated it? Neclo is worth +17 and Varsoon is -200 for Bloodsabers.

[WarpathEQ]

Didn't they release the real faction values and emus incorporated it? Neclo is worth +17 and Varsoon is -200 for Bloodsabers.

Source?

[loramin]

Didn't they release the real faction values and emus incorporated it? Neclo is worth +17 and Varsoon is -200 for Bloodsabers.

I forget if Live just started showing faction numbers at some point, or if ShowEQ exposed them, but either way that's where the wiki numbers originally came from ... and they aren't the Project 1999 numbers.

Like many things, there's a lot of overlap between Live and P99, so some of those numbers are likely correct ... but again, they aren't the P99 numbers, so many of them aren't correct. Since you can't know which are correct and which aren't, it's best to just ignore the numbers, or consider them a very rough ballpark estimate.

[cd288]

I forget if Live just started showing faction numbers at some point, or if ShowEQ exposed them, but either way that's where the wiki numbers originally came from ... and they aren't the Project 1999 numbers.

Like many things, there's a lot of overlap between Live and P99, so some of those numbers are likely correct ... but again, they aren't the P99 numbers, so many of them aren't correct. Since you can't know which are correct and which aren't, it's best to just ignore the numbers, or consider them a very rough ballpark estimate.

Correct. We have no way of 100% knowing what the faction hits are on P99. We can approximate based on assumptions and long faction grinds, such as assuming an Iksar Necro starts max KOS with X faction and then killing the same mob over and over until you are threatening, but even then that's an estimate because I don't think we know for sure that Necro started as max KOS.

[kjs86z2]

time to reroll

[shovelquest]

Ill bet you a mil plat its corrupt q guards for the merchants.

[HonkalotEQ]

Bandit sashes are a definite no no as tht owns your faction, gnoll fangs and rabid pelts too but prolly not that right?

I think you need moonshine or whatever is the byproduct of gnoll fangs. 100 of those all prolly fine. They are worth 1 silver. Haven't played in ages but thought could FD ender?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Iksar Necro. I have been in Qeynos Hills for several levels killing the humanoids near Surefall Glade entrance, with the occasional trip to Qeynos Aqueducts to vendor.

Last night, someone asked for help killing Varsoon and without thinking, I ran over and helped out. The next time I went to the vendors as a newly leveled 29, they wouldn't sell to me! Conning dubious. (also I died and deleveled trying to get back LOL. It was a classic EQ moment for sure)

Varsoon was the only other factioned enemy I killed, and the wiki said he was a faction hit of 30. So I killed Neclo Rheslar who is a faction boost for the same ones 3 times (wiki says 10 faction gain) but the vendors are still dubious.

Am I on the right track? Should I just keep farming Neclo or is there another way to fix this? Thanks for any advice


If you just need to buy spells you can make a new level 1 with the correct faction, drop trade some plat items like peridots to the level 1, buy the spells on the level 1, and drop trade the spells back to the Necro.

In case you don't know, drop trading is where you drop the item on the ground, camp, and pick it up on another char. Just be warned that items on the ground have a 6 min timer or so before they disappear.

[moarwade]

Thanks so much for all the help everyone. Farmed Neclo and the nearby guards for a few hours and now I'm back in the good graces of the sewer goths. Gotta love this game and the random side quests it always seems to throw at you :P

Edit: For anyone interested in the rep side of things, I checked my faction after killing Neclo 6 times and it didn't appear to be fixed. I would guess I ended up killing him another 6 to 8 times after that and my faction was fixed. So the -200 and +17 figures mentioned earlier seem feasible.

[Reiwa]

Correct. We have no way of 100% knowing what the faction hits are on P99. We can approximate based on assumptions and long faction grinds, such as assuming an Iksar Necro starts max KOS with X faction and then killing the same mob over and over until you are threatening, but even then that's an estimate because I don't think we know for sure that Necro started as max KOS.

The starting race/class values for faction is what I mean was published/released.

Faction hits from kills/quests have been visible for a decade+

[Reiwa]

Source?

It was revealed to me in a dream.

[cd288]

Faction hits from kills/quests have been visible for a decade+

On P99 we do not know what the faction hit numbers are. We can only speculate and approximate.

[htabdoolb]

Guard Shilster in North Karana has an easy hand in quest to fix evil Qeynos factions. Hand him 5 gold at a time and it'll bump up corrupt guards, bloodsabers, circle of unseen hands, and kane bayle. It'll also damage good qeynos guards, but that is easy to undo just by killing blackburrow gnolls. I think you just have to be non-kos to corrupt guards to do the quest for him.

[Reiwa]

On P99 we do not know what the faction hit numbers are. We can only speculate and approximate.

Okay. I speculate that you can just use the ZAM/Quarm values and you're more likely to be right than with the Wiki values.

[loramin]

Okay. I speculate that you can just use the ZAM/Quarm values and you're more likely to be right than with the Wiki values.

Are they different? I would think both ZAM and Quarm would be based on the live values, and as such both would be equally wrong on P99.

[Reiwa]

and as such both would be equally wrong on P99.

How are you able to say this? ;)

[loramin]

... because they are both based on live values, and P99 doesn't use live values?

[Reiwa]

... because they are both based on live values, and P99 doesn't use live values?

How can you know they are unidentical while only knowing one of them?

[loramin]

How can you know they are unidentical while only knowing one of them?

You are terribad at reading the English language: I quite literally did not say I "knew" anything, about either.

What I said was:

I would think both ZAM and Quarm would be based on the live values, and as such both would be equally wrong on P99.

And again, I think that because both are based on modern EQ data, and Project 1999 is based on '99-'01 data ... so it follows (logically) that both would be about equally wrong.

[Reiwa]

You are terribad at reading the English language: I quite literally did not say I "knew" anything, about either.

What I said was:



And again, I think that because both are based on modern EQ data, and Project 1999 is based on '99-'01 data ... so it follows (logically) that both would be about equally wrong.

You do know the modern EQ data. You do not know the 99-01 data.

How do you know they are different?

[loramin]

You do know the modern EQ data. You do not know the 99-01 data.

How do you know they are different?

Because SOE (and later Daybreak) didn't just stop changing EverQuest after 2001, to make things easier for the developers of Project 1999?

We literally have years and years of patch notes after 2001 as proof.

[Reiwa]

Because SOE (and later Daybreak) didn't just stop changing EverQuest after 2001, to make things easier for the developers of Project 1999?

We literally have years and years of patch notes after 2001 as proof.

Could I get the patch note from when the Varsoon faction hit was changed to -200 Bloodsabers on Live?