Being this geared isn’t classic.

[Wakanda]

You will never convince me that even if you had a Time Machine and could travel back in time that you would be able to get BIS from Velious era before Shadows of Luclin dropped ;)

I remember thinking it was absolutely bonkers that my friends TWINK had two blood points and an FBSS, and three pieces of mrylokars in era.

Meanwhile we LARPing that full skyshrine twinks was always the norm. Lmao, I remember people struggling to get full thurg armor on their mains, and spending months raiding plane of growth for armor drops on my own main 😹

[Drueric]

This is what classic looks like, 10 years later.

[Drueric]

The server needs to be wiped and restarted to experience that again, a least for awhile.

[zelld52]

People in raiding guilds be like

"I need Ring 10, Primal Fistwraps, AoW pants and wort pots to level my monk from 57-60"

and at the same time be like "oh you want me to pull, nahh i dont do that"

[shovelquest]

Thats why it should be that if you die in game, you die IRL.

[shovelquest]

"I need Ring 10, Primal Fistwraps, AoW pants and wort pots to level my monk from 57-60"

"oh you want me to pull, nahh i dont do that"

:D

[kjs86z2]

People in raiding guilds be like

"I need Ring 10, Primal Fistwraps, AoW pants and wort pots to level my monk from 57-60"

and at the same time be like "oh you want me to pull, nahh i dont do that"

If you aren't full BiS at level 46 you aren't even playing p99.

[shovelquest]

All I know is if I don't get sent back in time soon Im gonna be pretty pissed off I memorized all these mechanics.

[Ekco]

>I remember thinking it was absolutely bonkers that my friends TWINK had two blood points and an FBSS,

twinking was a problem in classic, i remember people being ostracized and made fun of in 1999 on fennin ro for having gear outside their level range and called ebayers

that being said, spending dkp on your lvl 52 alt barbies vox/naggy toons is quite literally peak p99

[shovelquest]

I was addicted from day 1 and I was friggen level 54 when velious launched.

[zelld52]

>I remember thinking it was absolutely bonkers that my friends TWINK had two blood points and an FBSS,

twinking was a problem in classic, i remember people being ostracized and made fun of in 1999 on fennin ro for having gear outside their level range and called ebayers

that being said, spending dkp on your lvl 52 alt barbies vox/naggy toons is quite literally peak p99

My friend got called an ebayer in 2000 because he had FBSS, 2x Lamentation and full crafted on his level 38 warrior

[Ekco]

My friend got called an ebayer in 2000 because he had FBSS, 2x Lamentation and full crafted on his level 38 warrior

yeah it was def a thing, and being super racist toward SEA timezone lol

[Swish]

My Velious experience (especially Kael raids etc) was mostly during the start of Luclin back in the day. I remember going to one with the raid window and being the only shaman on it having to buff everyone.

Time ticked to the next expansion faster than I'd have liked.

[Ekco]

Time ticked to the next expansion faster than I'd have liked.

yeah, entire server knew i was 12 also so it didn't help

[shovelquest]

My friend got called an ebayer in 2000 because he had FBSS, 2x Lamentation and full crafted on his level 38 warrior

ebayer LOL

[cd288]

RecondoJoe, of course not. People aren't BIS before Luclin dropped because there is no Luclin on this server.

[WarpathEQ]

The only raid loot I recall ever seeing sold for twinking on my live server was the blade of carnage, otherwise the most expensive gear you could buy was a fungi tunic. Custom velious helms were an extremely rare sighting (probably saw less than 5 myself) and that was when I left well into luclin launch before pop

[Bardp1999]

Whats not classic is Discord, guild bot armies, rooted dragons, 500-600 population, and absolutely 0 innovation on the classic spirit of the game.

[Ekco]

And that's stuff you can't actually fix, only way to make a emu actually classic is to find 1200 people that have never played before, stick them on island somewhere and just give them access to like a binder with some random info from castersrealm/ allahakazam and tell em to figure it the fuck out

i'd rather watch that as a tv show than try to theory craft some way to make bitter vets not be shitty

[shovelquest]

Whats not classic is Discord, guild bot armies, rooted dragons, 500-600 population, and absolutely 0 innovation on the classic spirit of the game.

don't forget that damn wiki

FGvb0UtVEjY

[Jimjam]

And that's stuff you can't actually fix, only way to make a emu actually classic is to find 1200 people that have never played before, stick them on island somewhere and just give them access to like a binder with some random info from castersrealm/ allahakazam and tell em to figure it the fuck out

i'd rather watch that as a tv show than try to theory craft some way to make bitter vets not be shitty

When we all have alzheimers and dementia it will be true classic 2.

[shovelquest]

When we all have alzheimers and dementia it will be true classic 2.

https://i.imgur.com/vXPhjYs.png

[zelld52]

When we all have alzheimers and dementia it will be true classic 2.

Jimjam just cracked the code - we're getting a new Green when 51% of us have alzheimers

[Rygar]

I was addicted from day 1 and I was friggen level 54 when velious launched.

Totally my story.

Everytime I am like "I'm just logging on and grinding exp to get 60"

Then in guild someone be like " anyone available to help me camp a quillmane?"

Immediately I am like, "hopping on a boat, be there in 45. Level 49 warrior"

[Zadrian]

And that's stuff you can't actually fix, only way to make a emu actually classic is to find 1200 people that have never played before, stick them on island somewhere and just give them access to like a binder with some random info from castersrealm/ allahakazam and tell em to figure it the fuck out

i'd rather watch that as a tv show than try to theory craft some way to make bitter vets not be shitty

Bring back Everlore!

[Ekco]

Bring back Everlore!

Fuckin' A

[Zuranthium]

And that's stuff you can't actually fix, only way to make a emu actually classic is to find 1200 people that have never played before

Nah, what's needed is dynamic content. Constantly change where items drop and how NPC's spawn. It doesn't require constant work either, just need to have an algorithm that automatically shifts everything around. Now the game is a permanent adventure, an Everquest, where nobody knows exactly what will happen and it becomes necessary to hunt throughout every nook and cranny of every zone to see what might be there at any given time.

[zelld52]

Once Teddie completes EveryQuest the game is over, FYI.

[shovelquest]

We all get erased and the sim starts over.

[zelld52]

We all get erased and the sim starts over.

https://imgur.com/gallery/matrix-architect-nhEdSZ0

Teddie is the one

[zelld52]

tf i put a picture of the Matrix Architect so people would get the joke

also, just found this out but did you know that the letters of NEO from the matrix are a clever anagram for a word to describe his impact on the story:

NEO is a prefix for NEW. as in NEW p99

[Ekco]

it's not a anagram you fucking retard, it's a greek word.

[Ekco]

my bad, sry.

[zelld52]

it's not a anagram you fucking retard, it's a greek word.

so greek words cant be anagrams? what kinda 300 BC persian inspired racism is this

[Jimjam]

Neo is an anagram of One though. And eon I guess.

[Xer0]

My friend got called an ebayer in 2000 because he had FBSS, 2x Lamentation and full crafted on his level 38 warrior

As I recall, the term ebayer got thrown around when people had made it too far into their character progression to be as bad at the game for the behavior exhibited. snackpacc for example, would have been alled an ebayer.

[Xer0]

it's not a anagram you fucking retard, it's a greek word.

nagram
/ăn′ə-grăm″/
noun
A transposition of the letters of a word or sentence, to form a new word or sentence: thus, Galenus is an anagram of angelus.

[Wakanda]

My friend got called an ebayer in 2000 because he had FBSS, 2x Lamentation and full crafted on his level 38 warrior

tbf that was pretty op :p now its under geared

[Ennewi]

tf i put a picture of the Matrix Architect so people would get the joke

also, just found this out but did you know that the letters of NEO from the matrix are a clever anagram for a word to describe his impact on the story:

NEO is a prefix for NEW. as in NEW p99

Mr. Anderson was a bit more clever, with Anders from Andreas, meaning man(ly) or masculine. So while it seems like an ordinary average Joe surname, he's being referred to as the son of man.

[Dolalin]

>
that being said, spending dkp on your lvl 52 alt barbies vox/naggy toons is quite literally peak p99

I got chewed out by my guild on Lanys for spending DKP gearing up my vox/naggy alt with ntov junk... but that was towards the end of SoL haha.

[Ciderpress]

*notices age of thread, detects comedic opportunity to necro it*

*breaths deep, cracks knuckles*

more like analgram.

[Reiwa]

*notices age of thread, detects comedic opportunity to necro it*

*breaths deep, cracks knuckles*

more like analgram.

What's this about OF?

[Jimjam]

I got chewed out by my guild on Lanys for spending DKP gearing up my vox/naggy alt with ntov junk... but that was towards the end of SoL haha.

People just mad - you earned the dkp to spend as you see fit. I doubt your guildies were removing their dkp earned gear while farming non-ToV / SoL content, right?

[Knuckle]

You will never convince me that even if you had a Time Machine and could travel back in time that you would be able to get BIS from Velious era before Shadows of Luclin dropped ;)

I remember thinking it was absolutely bonkers that my friends TWINK had two blood points and an FBSS, and three pieces of mrylokars in era.

Meanwhile we LARPing that full skyshrine twinks was always the norm. Lmao, I remember people struggling to get full thurg armor on their mains, and spending months raiding plane of growth for armor drops on my own main 😹

Maybe thats because velious is out for 5-10 years longer than live? This server is not going to Luclin so it's a moot point.

[tycohunden]

that's why we need to add pvp. NO I WONT GO TO RED! I'm too to tired to lvl...

[cd288]

Maybe thats because velious is out for 5-10 years longer than live? This server is not going to Luclin so it's a moot point.

Just ignore RecondoJoe's ramblings on his new account post-ban

[Bisonzabi]

It's not classic unless you're using 28.8k-56k dial up connection with a single 15-19in CRT monitor. And the server not going down for random unannounced maintenance.

[Knuckle]

It's not classic unless you're using 28.8k-56k dial up connection with a single 15-19in CRT monitor. And the server not going down for random unannounced maintenance.

Well also having a packed 2k+ population with minimum game knowledge, so it's always been a fools errand for purists hasn't it.

[branamil]

If you haven't gotten full BiS including Ring 10, Vulak, Dain, Tormax, and Yelinak loot and then de-leveled to level 1 to level again, you haven't gotten the FULL everquest experience.

[kjs86z2]

If you haven't gotten full BiS including Ring 10, Vulak, Dain, Tormax, and Yelinak loot and then de-leveled to level 1 to level again, you haven't gotten the FULL everquest experience.

this guy p99s

[JayDee]

I have thought about that. Maybe the biggest hardcore raiders outside of perhaps the #1 tank or x class of every guild would probably be happy with 2 or 3 bis pieces by the time luclin launches.

And the actual casual raiders? Probably no bis. Meanwhile here everyone even people in the 4th best guild have many bis pieces. Its common for me to inspect people and see they have all bis or missing one or two with a close 2nd best as a placeholder

[sammoHung]

I have thought about that. Maybe the biggest hardcore raiders outside of perhaps the #1 tank or x class of every guild would probably be happy with 2 or 3 bis pieces by the time luclin launches.

And the actual casual raiders? Probably no bis. Meanwhile here everyone even people in the 4th best guild have many bis pieces. Its common for me to inspect people and see they have all bis or missing one or two with a close 2nd best as a placeholder

I guess the best way to compare it would be to examine gear of the raiders a few months after Velious release, and then again a year after - as the original timeline would have had a Luclin release.

By this time on Green server, following the original timelines releases alongside the Green releases:

Velious (released on Green: July 2021)
Luclin (July 2022)
Planes of Power (May 2023)
Legacy of Ykesha (October 2023)
Lost Dungeons of Norrath (April 2024)
Gates of Discord (September 2024)
Omens of War (April 2025)

These would have all been released by now on Green - had the expansion timeline continued.

Also, Dragons of Norrath would release in November-December 2025.

So, to put it in perspective: Imagine how many BiS toons there'd be if Luclin was delayed for 4.5 years, then you'd maybe see the same amount of BiS toons as you do today.

[JayDee]

I guess the best way to compare it would be to examine gear of the raiders a few months after Velious release, and then again a year after - as the original timeline would have had a Luclin release.

By this time on Green server, following the original timelines releases alongside the Green releases:

Velious (released on Green: July 2021)
Luclin (July 2022)
Planes of Power (May 2023)
Legacy of Ykesha (October 2023)
Lost Dungeons of Norrath (April 2024)
Gates of Discord (September 2024)
Omens of War (April 2025)

These would have all been released by now on Green - had the expansion timeline continued.

Also, Dragons of Norrath would release in November-December 2025.

So, to put it in perspective: Imagine how many BiS toons there'd be if Luclin was delayed for 4.5 years, then you'd maybe see the same amount of BiS toons as you do today.

I think its even worse than that because a) people had to learn the zones and mobs and mechanics b) probably wiped a lot without voice comms and access to cleric bots ie would sometimes go in with less than optimal composition c) we all sucked most people didnt know basic commands /rt /tt or perhaps even assist macros

I am not sure how long it took for mobs like vulak to to die and by then how consistently it did in just under a year

[sammoHung]

I think its even worse than that because a) people had to learn the zones and mobs and mechanics b) probably wiped a lot without voice comms and access to cleric bots ie would sometimes go in with less than optimal composition c) we all sucked most people didnt know basic commands /rt /tt or perhaps even assist macros

I am not sure how long it took for mobs like vulak to to die and by then how consistently it did in just under a year

Where I played there was 1 guild that was up-to-date on raid content - and even then, very few had BiS in most of their slots.

But again, people raided Skyshrine back then.

[Goregasmic]

I have thought about that. Maybe the biggest hardcore raiders outside of perhaps the #1 tank or x class of every guild would probably be happy with 2 or 3 bis pieces by the time luclin launches.

And the actual casual raiders? Probably no bis. Meanwhile here everyone even people in the 4th best guild have many bis pieces. Its common for me to inspect people and see they have all bis or missing one or two with a close 2nd best as a placeholder

Back then I've been in a couple guilds and there was no DKP system in any of them, mostly some form of NBG with officers deciding who gets what. Loot would get dilluted pretty badly.

I guess the best way to compare it would be to examine gear of the raiders a few months after Velious release, and then again a year after - as the original timeline would have had a Luclin release.

By this time on Green server, following the original timelines releases alongside the Green releases:

Velious (released on Green: July 2021)
Luclin (July 2022)
Planes of Power (May 2023)
Legacy of Ykesha (October 2023)
Lost Dungeons of Norrath (April 2024)
Gates of Discord (September 2024)
Omens of War (April 2025)

These would have all been released by now on Green - had the expansion timeline continued.

Also, Dragons of Norrath would release in November-December 2025.

So, to put it in perspective: Imagine how many BiS toons there'd be if Luclin was delayed for 4.5 years, then you'd maybe see the same amount of BiS toons as you do today.

Yeah IIRC during Luclin the top guild was struggling on VT trash and my guild, which was second or third best guild on server, was still struggling on vindi with like 80 people. A lot of guilds did kunark dragons and other bosses but back then there was a gazillion guilds where like, getting a circlet of the falinkan was a serious undertaking. Basically RL friends messing around. Epics were getting more common but not many people were doing cutting edge raiding. P99 players are light years ahead of what live was for the same era.

[JayDee]

Back then I've been in a couple guilds and there was no DKP system in any of them, mostly some form of NBG with officers deciding who gets what. Loot would get dilluted pretty badly.

.

Loot council which is even worse there would be a couple people on every server with the good shit and even then probably only a few pieces of bis

[JayDee]

Anecdotal but everyone i know has many BiS pieces some are full bis multiple characters. And they play a few hours every week for quakes or 7 days

[DanielStula]

I believe that nostalgia plays a crucial role in the enduring popularity of classic emulated servers like Project 1999. Given that many players return to these worlds to recapture their youth, what happens when the memories we cherish clash with the reality of our current gaming expectations? Are we risking the very essence of what made those experiences special by trying to recreate them in a modern context?

[Jimjam]

What is this wishywasy nothing comment on this thread?

[boromn]

Nah, what's needed is dynamic content. Constantly change where items drop and how NPC's spawn. It doesn't require constant work either, just need to have an algorithm that automatically shifts everything around. Now the game is a permanent adventure, an Everquest, where nobody knows exactly what will happen and it becomes necessary to hunt throughout every nook and cranny of every zone to see what might be there at any given time.

The only game I can recall playing that actually did this was Asheron's Call. I think it was every month they would change the "migration" patterns of the mobs and old safe areas became dangerous and so forth. Their loot was also pretty much all random anyway. Only a very select items were actual named items. That said, the community in that game was pretty ass since it was mostly solo people exploring the expanse alone. It's why I always bounced back and forth between AC and EQ.