The Golden Era of P99 is behind us, we need something new.

[CrazyPro]

Kerafyrm the Sleeper has been awake on the green server for much longer than the server was still progressing through the timeline, and Rogean + Nilbog still haven't decided the future of the project, or if there will even BE a future for the project. Long gone are the days of 1200-1500 players being online at the same time. Green has been stuck at the final patch of Velious for over 3 years now. The dust has long since settled and the excitement of playing the game and knowing more was on the way as the server progressed through the timeline is all but forgotten.

P99 is no longer the only 1 box emulated server that has enough players to be fun, and the population on both blue and green has been noticeably dwindling slowly but surely over the past couple of years. With the shrinking playerbase and the uncertainty of a server merge or new server ever happening, you start to think, what is the point of continuing to play when the race to come out on top was decided years ago? People have accomplished what they set out to do, and now what? People are getting tired of being stuck in Velious with very little new happening to keep them engaged. The poor blue players are practically dying for something new. Blue just has one big mega guild gobbling up all the content right now with little competition, even with an FTE lockout system.

Blue is on life support, Green is declining, and Red is dead.

Hopefully one day Rogean and crew will find the time to commit to a future for p99
Would like some more communication from the devs at the very least.

TL;DR: the end is nigh, merge servers, need new green

[Ekco]

i was told we're getting a new server thursday though? no?

[Duik]

Rogean does not do this for you or me. He does it to create the EQ classic museum.

Rogean seems to have a good relationship with his real life. He isnt not communicating with is, he is. He just chooses his targets wisely. You know who he communicates with? Teddie the legend quester who updates his progress AND submits bug reports with proofs/details.

Try that instead of whinging like a baby that lost its pacifier.

[Duik]

That above post should read Nilbog not rogean.

[Nickelback8469]

I'd like for there to be a new server again soon as it has gotten a bit stale with how long Green has now been in Velious, but even without a direct timeline or much communication I think it's clear that the devs do have a future in mind for the project.

The past several months have included a lot of fixes for the timeline that none of the current servers are in which would be pointless if a new server wasn't planned on being released at some point, and there's been holiday events that have been a nice addition. Project 1999 has always moved at a slow pace, and though I'd want a fresh server sooner rather than later I still trust that things will eventually move forward.

[Ekco]

people keep saying that while ignoring the fact that just fixing things / patch notes in a vacuum is a reward in and of itself.

i literally don't think we're getting a new server ever or even a merge and that's fine with me

[Drueric]

Well based on the rare recent posts of nilbog, they are apparently preparing another bug fix patch.

[Ekco]

i don't think you know what the word rare means

[Infectious]

It isn't happening. Rogean is currently specing out a new McLaren and the current build date is over one year out. Combine that with his marriage in Dubai in February and I dont see him having time.

[Ekco]

McLaren
based.

[Swish]

Consider Quarm then OP

[Cecily]

Try reproducing and sending your spawn after greener MMORPG pastures you'll never live to see.

[Cecily]

Imagine how much fun the games on their state-mandated AI neural implant will be.

[Ekco]

"Try reproducing and sending your spawn after greener MMORPG pastures you'll never live to see."

https://media.tenor.com/g75_Wv66AEoAAAAM/chappelle-god-damn.gif

[Skarne]

idk what ur talkin about im still havin a blast

[Duik]

Suzie Quattro

Bassed.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It's not too late to enable charatcter transfers every 4 months. Char has to be stripped.

[Duik]

It's not too late to enable charatcter transfers every 4 months. Char has to be stripped.

Translation: I wanna see nekkid elf meat.

[onmove_broke]

If you read the THJ lawsuit, it states that P1999 has an agreement not to go past classic (Which I assume is Velious) but I also think they are not allowed to start a fresh server. That would directly compete with Daybreaks server as we all know a new server brings in tons of people here

[Ekco]

If you read the THJ lawsuit, it states that P1999 has an agreement not to go past classic (Which I assume is Velious)

ackchyually according to that document from my reading and.. i'm not a lawyer but i did stay at a holiday inn, it considers up to depths of darkhollow as "classic" a.e anything on the titanium client

i for one welcome our new progression timeline that ends with shooting the shit with Mayong in Dreadspire

[zelld52]

ackchyually according to that document from my reading and.. i'm not a lawyer but i did stay at a holiday inn, it considers up to depths of darkhollow as "classic" a.e anything on the titanium client

i for one welcome our new progression timeline that ends with shooting the shit with Mayong in Dreadspire

I can’t wait for GoD. Give raiders some actual challenge. Just getting into Ikkinz was a task. Needed a bard with DA song just to enter the instance safely

[Ekco]

watching geriatrics trying to flag towards tacvii would be fucking hilarious in 2025, i never played a TLP but i assume it was ez pz on there.

my family guild on live couldn't even do GoD till like omens of war era lol

shout out whit's end.

[zelld52]

watching geriatrics trying to flag towards tacvii would be fucking hilarious in 2025

lmao imagine trying to flag guild bots for Tacvi

[CrazyPro]

I would play on a GoD server
let's turn the shared hallucination into the ninth circle of hell, velious is too easy

[Ekco]

velious straight into GoD would be fucking rad

[Ekco]

Gates of Discord, Depths of Darkhollow and Prophecy of Ro are my fav expansions way above Kunark and Velious and i think what makes them work is just enough tedious flagging so when you get to the loot pinata zone you appreciate it. and the lore is dope.

[Cecily]

I can’t wait for GoD.

I think we're all waiting for God at this point.

[CrazyPro]

Gates of Discord, Depths of Darkhollow and Prophecy of Ro are my fav expansions way above Kunark and Velious and i think what makes them work is just enough tedious flagging so when you get to the loot pinata zone you appreciate it. and the lore is dope.

prophecy of ro is absolutely terrible, that's also when they did the horrendous freeport "revamp"

anything past OoW is dookie

[Ekco]

it ruined freeport FAIR ENOUGH but demi plane of blood and deathknell are fucking legit

https://zam.zamimg.com/images/i/d/id21143.png

[Ekco]

plane of music* w/e was before deathknell, demi plane is dodh

[shovelquest]

it ruined freeport FAIR ENOUGH but demi plane of blood and deathknell are fucking legit

https://zam.zamimg.com/images/i/d/id21143.png

on THJ you (will) get all of those, with old freeport. :cool:

[Ekco]

couldn't get THJ to work in linux, i gotta run patcher in a VM for the files ;/

if it doesn't get shut down within a week i'll get it installed.

[Ekco]

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=50481

only item that mattered from deahtknell

[CrazyPro]

on THJ you (will) get all of those, with old freeport. :cool:

Maybe in like 10 years when EQEmu gets to Prophecy of Ro.
Right now they've only recently gotten to recreating Dragons of Norrath

[ya.dingus]

Rogean does not do this for you or me. He does it to create the EQ classic museum.

Rogean seems to have a good relationship with his real life. He isnt not communicating with is, he is. He just chooses his targets wisely. You know who he communicates with? Teddie the legend quester who updates his progress AND submits bug reports with proofs/details.

Try that instead of whinging like a baby that lost its pacifier.

Communities keep gaming history alive, not a moldy archive of bits.

[branamil]

Dude. They're checked out. They make 0 money from this game. Probably even lose some. There's no one that would be passionate about working on an old game for no money for ungrateful manchildren. They probably can't be arsed to spend more than 2 hours a month working on this game.

Another server is never coming.

A merge is never coming.

Face reality

[Ekco]

bro we just got fishing patch notes, the shit that matters unironically is being worked on.

made me a Collapsible Fishing Pole and some pointless lures today

people just playing this shit wrong.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/VK53gEK.png

[shovelquest]

Dude. They're checked out. They make 0 money from this game. Probably even lose some. There's no one that would be passionate about working on an old game for no money for ungrateful manchildren. They probably can't be arsed to spend more than 2 hours a month working on this game.

Another server is never coming.

A merge is never coming.

Face reality

well, nilbog fixes quest bugs when they are reported within like 48 hours. :eek:

[Duik]

couldn't get THJ to work in linux, i gotta run patcher in a VM for the files ;/

if it doesn't get shut down within a week i'll get it installed.

If you are using the newest client then maybe the version of wine needs updating. Older wine functioned great with older clients (like we have here). Just a thought.

[Ekco]

If you are using the newest client then maybe the version of wine needs updating. Older wine functioned great with older clients (like we have here). Just a thought.

yeah idk wtf it was, it will launch the unpatched client fine if i press play on heroesjourneyeq.exe but nothing happens if i click patch so ive decided i didn't actually want to play after all.

https://i.imgur.com/Suxy2b1.jpeg

[Jimjam]

bro we just got fishing patch notes, the shit that matters unironically is being worked on.

made me a Collapsible Fishing Pole and some pointless lures today

people just playing this shit wrong.

Bugs forum is where the people who really understand proj hang.

[cd288]

Dude. They're checked out. They make 0 money from this game. Probably even lose some. There's no one that would be passionate about working on an old game for no money for ungrateful manchildren. They probably can't be arsed to spend more than 2 hours a month working on this game.

Another server is never coming.

A merge is never coming.

Face reality

You prob said the same thing about Green lol

[zelld52]

You prob said the same thing about Green lol

That was before they launched Green and saw that it was an even bigger dumpster fire than Blue was.

[zelld52]

Green made the most active GM quit. The GM who used to run events, and had an actual presence on the server quit because of all the bullshittery in the UN and all the aforementioned manchildren

[Sillyturtle]

They're updating and patching things that only occur in the timeline PRIOR to where we are now.

I'll phrase that a different way if you don't understand: They're updating content which we will never see again UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER RESET.

It would be pointless to update it if it was never going to happen. Therefore, they are still on track with their stated goal of to merge Green into Blue and reset Green again.

[Jimjam]

It would be pointless to update it if it was never going to happen. Therefore, they are still on track with their stated goal of to merge Green into Blue and reset Green again.

Maybe, but the work is also it’s own reward and the evidence is often found while researching things which impact the ‘current’ era. As such, I don’t think the updates that predate the current server time point guarantees a reset/new server … but it doesn’t seem off the table either.

[loramin]

Maybe, but the work is also it’s own reward and the evidence is often found while researching things which impact the ‘current’ era. As such, I don’t think the updates that predate the current server time point guarantees a reset/new server … but it doesn’t seem off the table either.

Um, no: no one is doing classic research for "the feels" of it. No one does the massive amount of work necessary to research classic EQ like Nilbog has ... for twenty-plus years ... all to create the server's most classic EQ Emulation ... and then continues doing that work when there's absolutely no point to it. I'm sorry, but no one does that.

The research of already past eras has one, and only one, cause: Nilbog intends to release another server.

[Ekco]

hope so.

i also hope green/blue get merged and renamed to test at some point cause i have no intention of leveling another character ever again lol

[OriginalContentGuy]

Um, no: no one is doing classic research for "the feels" of it. No one does the massive amount of work necessary to research classic EQ like Nilbog has ... for twenty-plus years ... all to create the server's most classic EQ Emulation ... and then continues doing that work when there's absolutely no point to it. I'm sorry, but no one does that.

Rofl. With all due respect what game do you think this is? I'm not gonna speculate on Nilbog's reasons but people roll 12 alts and spend hours doing quests. Making the most era-accurate server as passion project might just be for its own sake.

The research of already past eras has one, and only one, cause: Nilbog intends to release another server.

mebbe so sir

[Ekco]

mebbe

dun goof'd kid

i'd like to solve the puzzle now.

jk <3

[OriginalContentGuy]

Well if you solve your puzzle then put your own pieces away.

I'm bored care to join me in the What am I listening to thread Ecko? I feel like not being disappointed but come anyway :)

[shovelquest]

They're updating and patching things that only occur in the timeline PRIOR to where we are now.

I'll phrase that a different way if you don't understand: They're updating content which we will never see again UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER RESET.

It would be pointless to update it if it was never going to happen. Therefore, they are still on track with their stated goal of to merge Green into Blue and reset Green again.

we just have to wait and see if THJ wins and if it does we'll get a new server a week later.

[shovelquest]

Um, no: no one is doing classic research for "the feels" of it.

Oh they are doing it for the money?

[Ekco]

I feel like not being disappointed but come anyway :)

Rude!

[Ekco]

Oh they are doing it for the money?

https://media.tenor.com/Uje5-Wm3xMQAAAAM/steve-harvey-laughing.gif

we about to lose another to the hammer.

PULL UP

PULL UP

[shovelquest]

There can be only none.

[Jimjam]

Rofl. With all due respect what game do you think this is? I'm not gonna speculate on Nilbog's reasons but people roll 12 alts and spend hours doing quests. Making the most era-accurate server as passion project might just be for its own sake.



mebbe so sir

Thanks for bringing the quoted post to my attention. I research bugs for the fun of it. I don’t think I’m a freak for enjoying uncovering how a game I like actually used to be.

[shovelquest]

Thanks for bringing the quoted post to my attention. I research bugs for the fun of it. I don’t think I’m a freak for enjoying uncovering how a game I like actually used to be.

Nobody does it for the fun of it, you must have some altera motive. :p

[loramin]

Making the most era-accurate server as passion project might just be for its own sake.
Oh they are doing it for the money?


Nilbog absolutely will do all that work to make "the most era-accurate server" (for free)! What I'm saying is that he wouldn't do all that work when there's no endpoint.

Maybe, if you're a "freak" (;)) like Jimjam ...

I research bugs for the fun of it. I don’t think I’m a freak for enjoying uncovering how a game I like actually used to be.

... you might be curious how old EQ worked, and look a few things up occasionally.

But you're not going to go through the trouble of getting other people to gather research and create bugs, then track and manage all those bugs, and then formally resolve each one.

I don't think there's any real doubt: Nilbog is doing all that work for Green 2.0.


There can be only none.
I just watched that movie for the first time last night!

[loramin]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/80/fe/94/80fe94f19570a79775b13e7747983f31.gif

[shovelquest]

I just watched that movie for the first time last night!

NIICE this was one of the few good fantasy movies with swords in it that I had to force myself to identify with because we had slim pickings back then.

Still love it though, but I think its funny how hard it was to be a fanatsy fan back then.

Dragonslayer was #1 dragon movie until lotr like 30 years later!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

"The verdant plain, the mossy stones, the lichen on the pier, all becomes green in the light of the sun." -- Plato, The Republic.

[mycoolrausch]

Back in live classic it was cool being a complete newb and experiencing everything for the first time.

Then with p99 it was cool to revisit classic eq and do it again, and learn to min-max the game in the way you always fantasized about back in '99 but never achieved.

Peak p99 was getting a spot in one of the 5 simultaneous XP groups in Mistmoore and making new friends you'd journey to 60 with, or full grouping fungi king while /ooc was filled with the 30 other people grinding the zone, and things like starting a fun melee twink and actually impressing someone in Unrest with it. And then to some extent micro-maxing the mechanics at the high end with things like aggro/training/pulling, etc. That's all been dead for years.

Turtle WoW has convinced me (from what I already suspected anyway) that the future of Classic is "Classic+." Adding new content in the same tiers as existing (so not replacing) while not being afraid to do some housekeeping with the class balancing and content difficulty/scaling, and a QoL change here or there that doesn't fundamentally change the design or mechanics. You also want a new client because Titanium is on its last legs and barely holding together. I think short of a new client (Project Lantern still in the works?) and Classic+ done by a competent team the classic EQ emu crowd will approach rapidly diminishing returns as everyone that would play something like this has, and had their fill.

Preserving some terrible balance because the over-worked EQ devs didn't get around to the fix until 3 weeks after P99s timeline, or staring at unfinished placeholder content and items for all eternity, is not what made P99 great. Although I think that singular zealous focus worked for a time by preventing anything crazy being done by the wrong hands at the wrong time. But we're past the point of having to worry about that anymore. Some team needs to get with the Project Lantern guys and then get with Rogean and Co and work something out with him for the P99 database, and start a Classic+ project. Go ahead and get on that, whoever you are. I'd play it.

[shovelquest]

A green p99 would be a lot of fun with a mischife loot system.

[Swish]

A green p99 would be a lot of fun with a mischife loot system.

https://i.imgur.com/LdCm8tR.gif

[Xer0]

I would like something in the spirit of p99 that goes up to Luclin/PoP era. Unfortunately Quarm doesnt scratch the itch with its janky client and ez mode features like pinkicite

[onmove_broke]

If I was DB I would do exactly what Blizzard did with D2...remaster it. Keep everything classic with some QoL improvements. Add some new quests, add a few new items, tune under used zones, etc. Let that run and make some good $$ while working on a true EQ successor for the modern day audience.

Problem is they probably have no idea to do it and if they did it would turn out to be shit given that half the team are femnazis

[zelld52]

Problem is they probably have no idea to do it and if they did it would turn out to be shit given that half the team are femnazis

Anything you said before this statement is made invalid. I don't understand why you started with a decent point and then injected your incel logic into the second part

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/LdCm8tR.gif

but it feeeels classic man :D

https://i.imgur.com/ghXDJ9t.png

[onmove_broke]

Anything you said before this statement is made invalid. I don't understand why you started with a decent point and then injected your incel logic into the second part

Have you SEEN who is at DB now?

[Bardp1999]

The classic spirit of P99 was crushed long ago. Enjoy the museum occasionally and move on to other games like everyone else has.

[red_demonman]

Need a fresh take, as much as red is a complete insane asylum, its time for Project 1999 Purple : PvP teams ruleset.

[Reiwa]

Have you SEEN who is at DB now?

DB or DP?

[Ekco]

the ranger that roams qeynos hills left DB like 5 years ago now, p sure there isn't a single person left that works there that cares or was even around to know what makes the game "good" even if they wanted to fix it.

[Reiwa]

Can't tell if equestrian habit or Harry Potter costume

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/C5603AQE_QPKzi0jwEQ/profile-displayphoto-shrink_400_400/profile-displayphoto-shrink_400_400/0/1516261123556?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=QH4ntc7P9JtMdwUuk70oT6vCNbbV-0eYZdYJ0YvsakU

[Snaggles]

With the shrinking playerbase and the uncertainty of a server merge or new server ever happening, you start to think, what is the point of continuing to play when the race to come out on top was decided years ago?

Nostalgia, boredom, it’s free, sunken cost fallacy, pixel addiction, community outlet with friends, watching other people make stupid mistakes (dark humor).

I think you hit the nail on the head: Why play an EQ sim if not for competition?
Answer: Why play an EQ sim only for completion (or possibly at all)?

[onmove_broke]

DB or DP?

DayBreak

[Ekco]

what's DP though ?!?

[onmove_broke]

the ranger that roams qeynos hills left DB like 5 years ago now, p sure there isn't a single person left that works there that cares or was even around to know what makes the game "good" even if they wanted to fix it.

They should just sell the IP at this point. Like you said, nobody there is left who knows anything about the original game. All they have to do is remaster the game. That's it. Make a few QOL changes, add some quests, add some new items, revamp a few zones to make them appealing and they could do well.

Diablo 2 did it and it did VERY well. Some fall flat, yes. However if done right could be the magic bullet. Make the female characters super sexy (see Marvel Heroes/Stellar Blade) and people will literally leave EMUs for it.

Then, while they are doing that and having success, start working on EQ 3 or whatever. Simple plan but they are retarded and do not care about EQ or money.

[Reiwa]

what's DP though ?!?

Darkpaw Games, the studio that manages the EverQuest titles.

[Ekco]

They should just sell the IP at this point. Like you said, nobody there is left who knows anything about the original game. All they have to do is remaster the game. That's it. Make a few QOL changes, add some quests, add some new items, revamp a few zones to make them appealing and they could do well.

Diablo 2 did it and it did VERY well. Some fall flat, yes. However if done right could be the magic bullet. Make the female characters super sexy (see Marvel Heroes/Stellar Blade) and people will literally leave EMUs for it.

Then, while they are doing that and having success, start working on EQ 3 or whatever. Simple plan but they are retarded and do not care about EQ or money.

yeah i don't blame a single person there for bailing for greener pastures, i enjoyed the 2019/2020 expansions Torment and Claw of Veeshan and the Kunark ones prior to that the kunark/velious/luclin reboots for the lore/6man content and i hadn't played seriously since The Buried Sea which came out in 2007 so i went from lvl 75 to 115 or w.e the cap was in a week, did the nerfed raid content in 6man form and unsubbed.

the IP is awesome they just don't give a single fuck enough to invest anything into it

Darkpaw Games, the studio that manages the EverQuest titles.

forgot the /s

[Reiwa]

forgot the /s

I wasn't able to find pics of DB staff so dunno what he's on about or aboot.

[Reiwa]

Although Daybreak does have a (different, I think) Jason Epstein on staff

We Epsteins Deserve a Break (https://archive.ph/Swfkk)

[Ekco]

I wasn't able to find pics of DB staff so dunno what he's on about or aboot.

all i know is https://wiki.project1999.com/Holly_Windstalker is named after a real person and she left for Blizzard in 2020

the line of succession was broken then

[Wudan]

Imagine putting all this work into the project only to run it into the ground and turn it into a sad and empty desert. I wish I could play p99, but there is no point, the servers are an empty museum covered in spider webs. I don't get it

[Prismaticshop]

we need a merge

[Naethyn]

I'm having a blast.

[Jimjam]

I'm having a blast.

I’m psyked for the fishing revisions.

[Ekco]

I'm having a blast.

can confirm, fun is being had over here as well.

[chillybob]

can confirm, fun is being had over here as well.

#TeamNoMerge
Funhavers unite :cool:

[Swish]

I'm having a blast.

Have you moved from the tunnel?