I Dont Feel Like Playing My Mage Anymore....

[Drueric]

With all the nerfs p99 has piled onto mages over the years and more recently.. Its just not fun anymore. The number of mages playing has declined and this is likely why.

Good job devs. You have ruined mages.

[Zuranthium]

Need to post in Bug section about the non-classic aggro dump that happens when a summoned pet dies, and also pet attack range possibly being too short now. Rants and Flames won't do much.

[tunne]

threaten to throw down a challenge

[wuanahto]

you dont use burst of flame to pull?

[Drueric]

I usually use cancel magic to pull.

[Drueric]

Need to post in Bug section about the non-classic aggro dump that happens when a summoned pet dies, and also pet attack range possibly being too short now. Rants and Flames won't do much.

These arent bugs though, they are intentional nerfs.

[WarpathEQ]

Time to fulfil your destiny and park your mage forever in one location for the sole purpose of cothing others.

[loramin]

Time to fulfil your destiny and park your mage forever in one location for the sole purpose of cothing others.

Based off another thread, didn't he only get his Mage to like 30 or something? He's got a long way to go before CotH.

[zelld52]

This game wasn't meant to be soloed. Content was designed to be done in parties. It sucks that the servers population is low - but it could be worse. You could be a rogue without any twinkage, who can't solo anything.

[Drueric]

Based off another thread, didn't he only get his Mage to like 30 or something? He's got a long way to go before CotH.

I never said what level I was. Anywhere, ever.

[Drueric]

This game wasn't meant to be soloed. Content was designed to be done in parties. It sucks that the servers population is low - but it could be worse. You could be a rogue without any twinkage, who can't solo anything.

And yet, there are classes who solo very well. Even better than they did in classic... Just look at the buff they gave to root dot casters recently. They buffed them, but nerfed mages.... No logic whatsoever.

[zelld52]

And yet, there are classes who solo very well. Even better than they did in classic... Just look at the buff they gave to root dot casters recently. They buffed them, but nerfed mages.... No logic whatsoever.

Certain abilities are OP.

DoTs are OP, especially combined with snare / fear / pet.
Slow is OP, especially combined with regen / heals.
Charm is OP, especially combined with mez / pacify.
Feign Death is OP, especially combined with best damage mitigation / 25% heal on 6 min cooldown.
Mana-Free PBAE DoT is OP, especially combined with run speed buff.

Sadly mage don't get any of these OP abilities, but we can't all be NEC / SHM / ENC / MNK / BRD aka the OP classes.

[zelld52]

Outside of those 5 classes, the rest of the classes have to scrape and claw to get by. And again, it could be worse - you could be a rogue or warrior with no twinkage, who has to just rely on fighting 1 green mob every 6 minutes with 2 minutes of bandaging between fights.

[Drueric]

Certain abilities are OP.

DoTs are OP, especially combined with snare / fear / pet.
Slow is OP, especially combined with regen / heals.
Charm is OP, especially combined with mez / pacify.
Feign Death is OP, especially combined with best damage mitigation / 25% heal on 6 min cooldown.
Mana-Free PBAE DoT is OP, especially combined with run speed buff.

Sadly mage don't get any of these OP abilities, but we can't all be NEC / SHM / ENC / MNK / BRD aka the OP classes.

Sure but.. mages used to be stronger than they are. So explain why we got nerfed?

[Ekco]

Good job devs. You have ruined mages.

lemme know when they delete COTH from your spellbook.

https://i.imgur.com/buT9Nmg.png

[Drueric]

Outside of those 5 classes, the rest of the classes have to scrape and claw to get by. And again, it could be worse - you could be a rogue or warrior with no twinkage, who has to just rely on fighting 1 green mob every 6 minutes with 2 minutes of bandaging between fights.

Oh and mages have plenty of downtime too. Their pets regen super slow until like.. lvl 44? And their pet heals are pathetic.

[loramin]

Charm is OP, especially combined with mez / pacify AND UNCLASSIC EZ MODE CHANNELING.

Fixed that for ya.

[cd288]

Need to post in Bug section about the non-classic aggro dump that happens when a summoned pet dies, and also pet attack range possibly being too short now. Rants and Flames won't do much.

The non-classic aggro dump is intentional IIRC. Years back people were chain summoning pets and just PLing themselves that way without casting spells, etc. So they nerfed it such that when your pet dies you take a bunch of aggro so that you can't just chain summon.

[loramin]

The non-classic aggro dump is intentional IIRC. Years back people were chain summoning pets and just PLing themselves that way without casting spells, etc. So they nerfed it such that when your pet dies you take a bunch of aggro so that you can't just chain summon.

Wait, soloing with the spells the Verant devs gave you is "PLing yourself" :confused:

[Drueric]

It wasnt PLing yourself. Devs everywhere just hate mages.

[WarpathEQ]

Mages (and casters in general) always experienced a relative power decline as progression occurs, this is a function of how much more melee classes scale with gear, how trivial old expansions became after acquiring gear from new expansions, and the extended time locked world we live in where people have multiple toons with full BIS items.

There is a difference between nerfing and bug fixes. The DoT change was fixing a bug that was causing DoTs to not do their full damage while rooted without doing a round of combat post root, the fix elminated the need for the mob to engage in combat post root in order to receive full DoT dmg.

Other changes are made to fix exploits in emergent gameplay i.e. the rooting of dragons, the chain summoning pets, or pet tracking to preserve the viable strategies and tactics available to P99 players and align them with the strategies and tactics that were being leveraged in '99-'01.

Part of the beauty of EQ is there is no 1 class that does everything. Its meant to be a world that requires collaboration to achieve bigger outcomes. Mages like every class have their neiches that they can do where others can't...

4x DAs - Can move entire raids through highly contested/difficult zones in a matter of minutes when clearing would take hours
CoTH - Remember when we did the no coth quake? How much more difficulty there is when you don't have a mage as a resource to short cut content and get to outcomes faster
Mod Rods - Can be the difference between winning and losing big time contested mobs (unless you're in the zerg guild that has 2x the required people for the kill).
Epic Pet - Strongest summoned pet in the game by far, capable of doing virtually all 1-50 content on its own with little to no interaction from the player.

[zelld52]

Sure but.. mages used to be stronger than they are. So explain why we got nerfed?

from what i remember hearing about classic p99 - any encounter could be done as long as you had an army of mages with their pets. trivialized content like Plane of Sky. prob had something to do with it in addition to the other aspects people mentioned.

ive never once played a mage in EQ, so im not sure personally how weak they are

[loramin]

Mages (and casters in general) always experienced a relative power decline as progression occurs, this is a function of how much more melee classes scale with gear, how trivial old expansions became after acquiring gear from new expansions, and the extended time locked world we live in where people have multiple toons with full BIS items.

This is very true; a Mage on a fresh Green server is much more powerful than a Mage on an "past its expiration date" server like Green 1.0.

Other changes are made to fix exploits in emergent gameplay i.e. the rooting of dragons, the chain summoning pets, or pet tracking to preserve the viable strategies and tactics available to P99 players and align them with the strategies and tactics that were being leveraged in '99-'01.

One of those things does not belong.

Dragging dragons all over and pet tracking were extremely rare (if practiced at all) in classic ... but In what universe is "chain summoning pets" considered "emerging gameplay"?!? It's literally one of only two options (the other being "keep your pet alive") that were available to every Mage player in '99-'01.

There was nothing "emergent" at all about chaining pets, so there's no justification for their unclassic agro here. If chained pets really was too powerful here, either A) it's because they were powerful in classic (and the goal of this place is to recreate tht), or B) it's because the devs got something wrong/unclassic (and they should have fixed that rather than making pet agro unclassic).

[loramin]

from what i remember hearing about classic p99 - any encounter could be done as long as you had an army of mages with their pets. trivialized content like Plane of Sky. prob had something to do with it in addition to the other aspects people mentioned.

Kingdom's first alt army was a ton of mages that they used to burn through Sky (and other content) in the server's earlier days. :D

But again, the goal of this place is classic EQ, and mage pet agro didn't work like this in classic.

[Zuranthium]

The non-classic aggro dump is intentional IIRC. Years back people were chain summoning pets and just PLing themselves that way without casting spells, etc. So they nerfed it such that when your pet dies you take a bunch of aggro so that you can't just chain summon.

Yeah I surmised it's something they did to slow people down on Green, but that's dumb. You can't "power level" yourself by chain casting pets, there's still a mana cost. Charming is already more powerful.

And if they are worried about pets tanking raids, then they need to implement the Velious era "rule of 4" that made it so MOBs ignored pets, when possible, if there were more than 4 things aggroed on a target.

[kjs86z2]

You don't feel like playing mage because they're boring as shit.

[Tann]

You don't feel like playing mage because they're boring as shit.

it's great if you want to play another game while also playing p99, it's like keeping a comfort movie on your 2nd screen. magician play can be your ASMR if you want it to be.

[Drueric]

There is a difference between nerfing and bug fixes. The DoT change was fixing a bug that was causing DoTs to not do their full damage while rooted without doing a round of combat post root, the fix elminated the need for the mob to engage in combat post root in order to receive full DoT dmg.


Nilbog: 2/3 Damage over Time penalty no longer affects rooted targets.

Doesnt like it was a bug to me. Looks like it was an intended mechanic that they removed, on purpose. No bug. just a change that was a big buff to root rot.

Nice try though, but you are wrong.

[Drueric]

CoTH - Remember when we did the no coth quake? How much more difficulty there is when you don't have a mage as a resource to short cut content and get to outcomes faster


This isnt about what mages CAN do, its about what they nerfed to ruin the class. And btw, doesnt the mage have to get to the location first? And then what.. stay there forever to act as a conduit for raid guilds? Or better yet, a separate account so that person can still play the game while their mage is perma trapped in some raid zone. Yea.... basically like a cheat.

Sorry buddy, but you arent gonna pull the wool over our eyes.

[kjs86z2]

This isnt about what mages CAN do, its about what they nerfed to ruin the class. And btw, doesnt the mage have to get to the location first? And then what.. stay there forever to act as a conduit for raid guilds? Or better yet, a separate account so that person can still play the game while their mage is perma trapped in some raid zone. Yea.... basically like a cheat.

Sorry buddy, but you arent gonna pull the wool over our eyes.

sorry you picked a class that gets plvled to 55 and parked

[Drueric]

sorry you picked a class that gets plvled to 55 and parked

Really? No one is gonna force me to do that.

[Nickelback8469]

Nilbog: 2/3 Damage over Time penalty no longer affects rooted targets.

Doesnt like it was a bug to me. Looks like it was an intended mechanic that they removed, on purpose. No bug. just a change that was a big buff to root rot.

The intended mechanic is to nerf kiting dotted mobs without root or fear, the bug was that the 2/3 damage penalty also affected rooted targets.

[Nickelback8469]

Part of the beauty of EQ is there is no 1 class that does everything. Its meant to be a world that requires collaboration to achieve bigger outcomes. Mages like every class have their neiches that they can do where others can't...

4x DAs - Can move entire raids through highly contested/difficult zones in a matter of minutes when clearing would take hours
CoTH - Remember when we did the no coth quake? How much more difficulty there is when you don't have a mage as a resource to short cut content and get to outcomes faster
Mod Rods - Can be the difference between winning and losing big time contested mobs (unless you're in the zerg guild that has 2x the required people for the kill).
Epic Pet - Strongest summoned pet in the game by far, capable of doing virtually all 1-50 content on its own with little to no interaction from the player.

I agree that mages still have their niches in the raiding scene but the majority of players aren't raiders. 4 DAs is hardly relevant to XP groups, CoTH is nice to have but only necessary in a very small number of camps and does nothing for mage's solo ability, Mod Rods are underrated in XP groups, and Mage Epic is hilariously unobtainable for 99% of players.

Most characters are more casual, mostly playing solo or in XP groups. The nerfs, whether intentional or not, have hurt these players the most. Of course raids still need mages for some of their unique abilities you mentioned, but the application of those listed to casual play is extremely limited at best.

[Drueric]

The intended mechanic is to nerf kiting dotted mobs without root or fear, the bug was that the 2/3 damage penalty also affected rooted targets.

It wasnt a bug. It was the intended classic mechanic.

[Zuranthium]

The fun of playing a Mage is commanding a pet around while also doing big damage blasts yourself. Huge DPS in a very relaxing and satisfying manner. Direct damage spells unfortunately become a lot less impactful at the higher levels, but it's still a great DPS class for groups and the solo play is tolerable when chain petting is an option.

Nilbog: 2/3 Damage over Time penalty no longer affects rooted targets.

Doesnt like it was a bug to me. Looks like it was an intended mechanic that they removed, on purpose. No bug. just a change that was a big buff to root rot.

No, 2/3 damage on DoT effects is only supposed to apply to moving targets that aren't fleeing. It was put in the game in 1999 to decrease the power level of DoT kiting.

[Drueric]

The fun of playing a Mage is commanding a pet around while also doing big damage blasts yourself. Huge DPS in a very relaxing and satisfying manner. Direct damage spells unfortunately become a lot less impactful at the higher levels, but it's still a great DPS class for groups and the solo play is tolerable when chain petting is an option.



No, 2/3 damage on DoT effects is only supposed to apply to moving targets that aren't fleeing. It was put in the game in 1999 to decrease the power level of DoT kiting.

Right so... not a bug, just like I said.

[Zuranthium]

Right so... not a bug, just like I said.

It was exactly a bug. An unintended thing was happening and they fixed it.

You said the devs purposefully buffed root rotting. They did not.

[Drueric]

So anyway, this is a topic about mages and how they have been nerfed so hard its not fun.

[Ekco]

So anyway, this is a topic about mages and how they have been nerfed so hard its not fun.

>Posts: 188

let me tell you how RnF actually works, you make the thread then we decide wtf it's actually about.

hope this helps
sorry about your class choice

[Duik]

I don't like that ranger wasn't bow stuff to death, that I couldn't make a battle cleric by choosing the correct stats. That a paladin didn't get a holy mount. Jousting isn't a real thing.

Ranger is a speed bump.
Cleric is a healer.
Paladin is a tougher speed bump sans horsie.

Mage is fun/lazy to play if used correctly.
Or, is a coth/modrod bot in raids.

[Cecily]

So anyway, this is a topic about mages and how they have been nerfed so hard its not fun.
Always has been.

[Wakanda]

mage seems like the worst class to play, like in classic i thought they were badass. their pets were insane. on p99 charm is way diff, so magician pets become a meme. way better off just playing a necromancer if you want to play a pet class.

most of the magicians i know literally just get level 55 and park they selves for coth and are never touched again.

i dont consider this classic obvsly.

[Wakanda]

mage seems like the worst class to play, like in classic i thought they were badass. their pets were insane. on p99 charm is way diff, so magician pets become a meme. way better off just playing a necromancer if you want to play a pet class.

most of the magicians i know literally just get level 55 and park they selves for coth and are never touched again.

i dont consider this classic obvsly.

also dont they pay 100k+ for their epic like

lol thats a of money for a summon bot

[WarpathEQ]

also dont they pay 100k+ for their epic like

lol thats a of money for a summon bot

More like 800k+ atleast on green. I think people tend to way overlook the amount of gearing of melee toons on P99, mages and their pets feel like weak pieces of crap not because they are worse than live. As I understand it in the classic/planes eras on P99 mages were the meta and raid forces were often just mages swarming entire zones with their pets (i.e. sky especially).

Once Kunark drops, melee start getting much better gear and weapons and start to power up. Velious excellerates that even more, and being locked in Velious for a decade completely breaks the comparison. Mage, one of the least gear dependent classes in the game has very little impact by gearing (other than epic pet obviously being a boost mostly for solo stuff or powerleveling). And the gearing mages get at the high end, epic aside, gives them utility that has nothing to do with being a mostly AFK player that hits pet attack and expects their pet to go solo mobs for them.

[WarpathEQ]

So anyway, this is a topic about mages and how they have been nerfed so hard its not fun.

I do find it highly ironic that OP has yet to specify a single nerf that has happened to mages.

In fact this entire thread that is supposedly about mage nerfs has only identified one single nerf that has occured to mages at all in P99 (pet agro dump on death mechanic) after 5 pages.

Lets call it what it really is, thread to complain about not being gud at 99 game

[cd288]

More like 800k+ atleast on green. I think people tend to way overlook the amount of gearing of melee toons on P99, mages and their pets feel like weak pieces of crap not because they are worse than live. As I understand it in the classic/planes eras on P99 mages were the meta and raid forces were often just mages swarming entire zones with their pets (i.e. sky especially).

Once Kunark drops, melee start getting much better gear and weapons and start to power up. Velious excellerates that even more, and being locked in Velious for a decade completely breaks the comparison. Mage, one of the least gear dependent classes in the game has very little impact by gearing (other than epic pet obviously being a boost mostly for solo stuff or powerleveling). And the gearing mages get at the high end, epic aside, gives them utility that has nothing to do with being a mostly AFK player that hits pet attack and expects their pet to go solo mobs for them.

People have also realized how risky pets are in a raid context. We know how their pathing can glitch and they can cause the entire raid to wipe. So the risk vs. the incremental DPS they add isn't worth it at all.

[Zuranthium]

In fact this entire thread that is supposedly about mage nerfs has only identified one single nerf that has occured to mages at all in P99 (pet agro dump on death mechanic) after 5 pages

Pet attack range is now shorter than in classic, it seems, and the pets also may be casting their elemental effects less frequently than they're supposed to.

Other nerfs have happened to the pets on p99, but those were to bring them back to their classic stats.

[Ripqozko]

Mages are only fun in raids, if you aint quadding you aint really playing a mage. log on any other alt to exp/farm/group.

[Prismaticshop]

You can get your epic for just 800k from a farm crew auto-tracking in plane of hate.

GL HF!

[Zuranthium]

Mages are only fun in raids, if you aint quadding you aint really playing a mage.

The exact opposite. Quad DA is dumb and should never work in those instances, because NPC's (especially dragons!) should have enough brain to stop chasing a single irrelevant player when there are 100 others invading their lair.

What's fun about mage is doing big DPS, which is mainly applicable outside of raids since their damage spells suck on raid targets, and being able to "tank" with chain-summoned pets, which is now broken.

[loramin]

You can get your epic for just 800k from a farm crew auto-tracking in plane of hate.

GL HF!

It's not a "crew": it's one guy, an Enchanter, who occaisionally two-boxes a Cleric to rez himself.

[Drueric]

It's not a "crew": it's one guy, an Enchanter, who occaisionally two-boxes a Cleric to rez himself.

If they are multi boxing, you should report them.

[Drueric]

The exact opposite. Quad DA is dumb and should never work in those instances, because NPC's (especially dragons!) should have enough brain to stop chasing a single irrelevant player when there are 100 others invading their lair.

What's fun about mage is doing big DPS, which is mainly applicable outside of raids since their damage spells suck on raid targets, and being able to "tank" with chain-summoned pets, which is now broken.

I think they are confusing mages with wizards.

[kjs86z2]

I think they are confusing mages with wizards.

Um, what?

Mage = coths, quad DA, and maybe mod rods when cleric numbers are tight.

Wiz = Porlos and TL boxes, relevant dmg on kunark stuff too

[Ekco]

that over a minute of DA is what should actually get nerfed

[Drueric]

Um, what?

Mage = coths, quad DA, and maybe mod rods when cleric numbers are tight.

Wiz = Porlos and TL boxes, relevant dmg on kunark stuff too

Sorry, Mm not familiar with this abbreviation - "DA" nor do I know how a mage "Quads" we have no snare or group dot.

[Drueric]

or speed buff like sow.

[WarpathEQ]

Sorry, Mm not familiar with this abbreviation - "DA" nor do I know how a mage "Quads" we have no snare or group dot.

DA stands for Divine Aura aka invulnerability and is often the term used to describe invulnerability spells/songs (even if they are named something else). Mages have access to the most amount of consecutive casts of DA spells/effects of any class in the game.

Quad as you identified refers to doing things in a group of 4, often times used to describe a kiting strategy of killing 4 mobs at a time.

Quad DA puts the 2 together, the act of using DA (invulnerability) type spells and/or effects 4 times in a row to achieve 4 times the length of vulnerability. Allowing for a roughly 90 second window of continued invulnerability that a mage can use to completely change the landscape of challenging raid encounters.

Its mostly a high end late game tactic that raiders use to expedite the killing of the highest value targets in the game, most often seen in use in the inner ring of Temple of Veeshan.

[WarpathEQ]

^ Correction: 4 times the length of invulnerability

[Drueric]

Yea Im confused, my mage doesnt have any spells that gives me invulnerablity, wtf are you talking aout?

[Drueric]

Nor are we capable of "quading"

[loramin]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Harmshield

Not a Mage spell ... but it can be cast from an item only Mage's can use (the Plane of Sky ring). Magicians can also use all the https://wiki.project1999.com/Divine_Aura items.

[Drueric]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Harmshield

Not a Mage spell ... but it can be cast from an item only Mage's can use (the Plane of Sky ring). Magicians can also use all the https://wiki.project1999.com/Divine_Aura items.

A cleric can just cast that spell and use those items too, what make mages so different?

[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/jEaK9s46LSUAAAAM/shannon-sharpe-undisputed.gif

[Drueric]

https://media.tenor.com/jEaK9s46LSUAAAAM/shannon-sharpe-undisputed.gif

Im glad you can count but that doesnt answer the question.

[Zuranthium]

Im glad you can count but that doesnt answer the question.

Mages can chain 4 DA's, other classes can only do 3.

It's cheesy and shouldn't work, but that's what happens when a game has braindead NPC's, little thought put into the itemization, and item recharging exploit (thankfully the best p99 server, Red, does not have item recharging). It also makes zero sense as something a Summoner or Elementalst class should be able to do. If it does exists in a game for some reason, then it should be something a Paladin or Cleric does.

[Ekco]

Im glad you can count but that doesnt answer the question.

bro if you can't figure out 72 seconds of DA is literally class defining in a raid settings, i can't help you.

like l o fucking l

[loramin]

A cleric can just cast that spell and use those items too, what make mages so different?

When you use an item, it's an instant cast; when you cast a spell there's casting time. As others have mentioned being able to instant cast lets you chain several together for extended invulnerability.

[Drueric]

Mages can chain 4 DA's, other classes can only do 3.

It's cheesy and shouldn't work, but that's what happens when a game has braindead NPC's, little thought put into the itemization, and item recharging exploit (thankfully the best p99 server, Red, does not have item recharging). It also makes zero sense as something a Summoner or Elementalst class should be able to do. If it does exists in a game for some reason, then it should be something a Paladin or Cleric does.

I just pointed that a cleric can do it also. Thats still 4. So what makes mages so special they need to be nerfed? Just nerf the items, not the whole class, geez wtf...

[kjs86z2]

OP: I don't like my mage anymore.

Also OP: whats DA?

[kjs86z2]

I just pointed that a cleric can do it also. Thats still 4. So what makes mages so special they need to be nerfed? Just nerf the items, not the whole class, geez wtf...

Because clerics actually have a use when killing raid mobs.

Mages don't. Their greatest value is in a quad DA train up / out / away.

[Duik]

Ouch.

[Ekco]

Ouch.

As a member of the Wizard delegation i got nothing but crocodile tears for a Magician complaining about anything.

[cd288]

I just pointed that a cleric can do it also. Thats still 4. So what makes mages so special they need to be nerfed? Just nerf the items, not the whole class, geez wtf...

Based on your comments I assume that you have never raided. Clerics are absolutely critical for Complete Heal chains and the more of them you can get in that chain the better. You're never pulling a Cleric out of that for this.

[Ekco]

I'm starting to consider the possibility that this dude might just be trolling at a ungodly high level and only pretending to be retarded.

you fuckin... better not be.
https://i.imgur.com/GG4OAU8.png

[kjs86z2]

Unfortunately for mages they're great 1-50, and start to suck worse and worse til epic (an impossibility for most).

And once you get your epic there isn't anything you can do thats on the level of an enchanter, necro, shaman, bard...or even twinked monks / pallies / SKs. You can AFK farm shit tier mobs. Congrats.

Once you realize you're just a coth bot because you're unwilling to put the time in to learn the raid meta tactics, you're hosed. Better off logging on a cleric bot and licking walls in a CH chain while you acquire DKP to gear a char thats actually fun to play.

[Drueric]

Based on your comments I assume that you have never raided. Clerics are absolutely critical for Complete Heal chains and the more of them you can get in that chain the better. You're never pulling a Cleric out of that for this.

I have not been in a raid on p99 no, but I have seen play by plays and it doesnt appeal to me in the least, no matter what class I play.

[Drueric]

Unfortunately for mages they're great 1-50, and start to suck worse and worse til epic (an impossibility for most).

And once you get your epic there isn't anything you can do thats on the level of an enchanter, necro, shaman, bard...or even twinked monks / pallies / SKs. You can AFK farm shit tier mobs. Congrats.

Once you realize you're just a coth bot because you're unwilling to put the time in to learn the raid meta tactics, you're hosed. Better off logging on a cleric bot and licking walls in a CH chain while you acquire DKP to gear a char thats actually fun to play.

Thanks for mentioning one of the reasons why the raid scene on p99 is cancer.

[loramin]

I have not been in a raid on p99 no, but I have seen play by plays and it doesnt appeal to me in the least, no matter what class I play.

I mean, that's a bit like watching a soccer game on TV and deciding "it must not be fun to play soccer". Or imagine if all you did was watch someone solo or group an ordinary XP camp, and then decided "this EQ game looks dumb, it must not be any fun to play".

[cd288]

I have not been in a raid on p99 no, but I have seen play by plays and it doesnt appeal to me in the least, no matter what class I play.

Yeah fair enough. But yeah in the classic era meta Clerics are one of the most important...I mean, main healers will always be super important, but when it's all tank and spank with huge health pools for the raid mobs the whole survival strategy is Clerics casting Complete Heal in a nonstop chain. So the more you have in there the better.

So you'd rather have the Mage DA quadding than a Cleric.

[cd288]

Thanks for mentioning one of the reasons why the raid scene on p99 is cancer.

None of this has anything to do with P99 specifically? It's classic EQ. That's just how Mages were in the classic era. Any server that tries to mirror classic class structures is going to have that.

It's just the way classic EQ raiding is. Has nothing to do with choices made by P99 staff or something like that.

[Snaggles]

Mages are the least affected by the pet tracking nerf. They have no mobility options (unless they wish to invis and kill their pet or DA bomb) and are the worst single target solo class who can summon a pet. Find a named spawn at 60, is it blue? Good luck…

As for the distance to aggro change, nobody else cares. I sicked my pet on Gozz the other day, it started attacking. True story.

[Zuranthium]

I just pointed that a cleric can do it also. So what makes mages so special they need to be nerfed? Just nerf the items, not the whole class, geez

Mages are the only class that can do 3 instant activation DA's, giving them the highest chance of chaining 4+ together.

It doesn't have anything to do with other nerfs that have happened though, and it's true there are non-classic nerfs to the class on p99 that need to be fixed. You've also correctly identified that raiding is generally boring.

As for the distance to aggro change, nobody else cares.

A lot of people have complained about the new pet attack distance, have you tested exactly how far it is? If it's less than cast range that's a problem.

[Drueric]

None of this has anything to do with P99 specifically? It's classic EQ. That's just how Mages were in the classic era. Any server that tries to mirror classic class structures is going to have that.

It's just the way classic EQ raiding is. Has nothing to do with choices made by P99 staff or something like that.

That is true. Its the players themselves who created the system.

[Drueric]

However, CSR supports it, backs it up, and enforces it, so, unless the players are allowed to make a new raiding system, we are stuck with this cancer.

[Ekco]

you're complaining about video game mechanics for a game made in 1998 by people who didn't know wtf they were doing objectively inside the museum for said game that's populated almost entirely by min/maxing raiding masochists

maybe you're the cancer, and the cure is about 10,000 other choices on steam where you can be the mage you wanna be, i heard skyrim with mods is pretty good.

hope this helps.

[Danth]

Don't like raiding? Then don't do it, or treat it as a side activity to do once in awhile. I've spent my entire time on P99 mostly doing other parts of the game and only raiding occasionally. It's a big game with lots to do. If you don't want to lock yourself into a jail called Temple Veeshan and ruin your game doing something that's not much fun, you don't have to. Those oh-so-appealing high-end pixel loot items aren't needed to do anything in the game and it's basically just bait for the mousetrap.

A magician can give good service as part of something like a trio, since a lot of duos will cover the critical jobs and damage always stacks.

[Snaggles]

A lot of people have complained about the new pet attack distance, have you tested exactly how far it is? If it's less than cast range that's a problem.

No. It worked good in short distances (about 100 range), I didn’t try past that.

Ill let the OP measure it out since they are grinding this axe.

[Snaggles]

No. It worked good in short distances (about 100 range), I didn’t try past that.

Ill let the OP measure it out since they are grinding this axe.

However, CSR supports it, backs it up, and enforces it, so, unless the players are allowed to make a new raiding system, we are stuck with this cancer.

You don’t even raid.

[Drueric]

You don’t even raid.

No of course not, why would I want to participate in something this horrible.

It seem this discussion has veered way off track.

[Drueric]

you're complaining about video game mechanics for a game made in 1998 by people who didn't know wtf they were doing objectively inside the museum for said game that's populated almost entirely by min/maxing raiding masochists

maybe you're the cancer, and the cure is about 10,000 other choices on steam where you can be the mage you wanna be, i heard skyrim with mods is pretty good.

hope this helps.

Im just pointing out facts. And Im complaining about changes that P99 has made to mages, away from classic.

[Drueric]

Try to keep up. Hope this helps.

[Duik]

Teddie1056 or as I call him some crazy dude is doing everyquest. Now that is some new meta shit right there. And he submits well constructed bug reports for devs to peruse.
Objectively in a game called EverQuest he is playing as the makers intended.

He is my hero and the hero we all need.

[Ekco]

Im just pointing out facts. And Im complaining about changes that P99 has made to mages, away from classic.

Try to keep up. Hope this helps.

your little cry post at the start mentions "fun" not a single thing about what mage change you're crying about or whether is even classic or not

i'm on team don't do changes that aren't classic and almost all of them that have been made are because people bitched nonstop about how everquest actually works

https://c.tenor.com/aTon09N_FIkAAAAd/tenor.gif
thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Drueric]

https://y.yarn.co/958de889-b7c0-4836-a8bf-eedc5e69a363_text.gif

[Drueric]

https://y.yarn.co/958de889-b7c0-4836-a8bf-eedc5e69a363_text.gif

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/qwpoBxy.gif

i'm emulating when this sub-forum used to be good.

someone has to.

sorry you don't got [insert mage nerf] anymore or w/e the actual problem is, just because you don't raid or know how to play your class doesn't mean the rest of the people logging in mage bots get a free pass to continue doing w/e the problem actual was that was affecting the actual population of the server requiring the patch in the first place.

[kjs86z2]

nice little backfire rnf

[Drueric]

i'm emulating when this sub-forum used to be good.

someone has to.

sorry you don't got [insert mage nerf] anymore or w/e the actual problem is, just because you don't raid or know how to play your class doesn't mean the rest of the people logging in mage bots get a free pass to continue doing w/e the problem actual was that was affecting the actual population of the server requiring the patch in the first place.

Nice little speech, too bad you sound like a moron.

[Ekco]

https://c.tenor.com/B5CzaZLBvR4AAAAC/tenor.gif

[Cecily]

Move thread to resolved and mage class to the recycling bin.

[cd288]

However, CSR supports it, backs it up, and enforces it, so, unless the players are allowed to make a new raiding system, we are stuck with this cancer.

Huh? What are you talking about new raiding system? The players aren't "creating a raiding system"

[loramin]

Huh? What are you talking about new raiding system? The players aren't "creating a raiding system"

He's the classic P99 newbie: he's never raided, but he hears how toxic the raid scene is in the forums, so without the proper context, he's decided raiding is a toxic "system", and uses that to justify not participating in it.

[Cecily]

Overall, a real time saver. The raiding scene is dog shit between 16 hour windows of doing nothing and being on call for a video game where the competition is who can stare into the void for hours and then run a foot race. Fuck raiding here.

[Cecily]

The correct response to being introduced to P99's raiding is horror. You get acclimated to it over time, like with all other harmful habits, but should you?

[Ekco]

this thread might be salvageable yet

https://c.tenor.com/SYShuONa4z4AAAAd/tenor.gif

[Ekco]

IT STARES AT THE SKYPE SCREEN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

[cd288]

Overall, a real time saver. The raiding scene is dog shit between 16 hour windows of doing nothing and being on call for a video game where the competition is who can stare into the void for hours and then run a foot race. Fuck raiding here.

Ture. But are you salty about having to exit raiding guilds and that's coloring your perception?

[kjs86z2]

IT STARES AT THE SKYPE SCREEN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN

lmao

[Drueric]

Overall, a real time saver. The raiding scene is dog shit between 16 hour windows of doing nothing and being on call for a video game where the competition is who can stare into the void for hours and then run a foot race. Fuck raiding here.

:eek::eek::eek: ^^^ :cool::cool::cool:

As I was saying....

[Drueric]

Ture. But are you salty about having to exit raiding guilds and that's coloring your perception?

Thats funny.. someone agrees with me, and you try to question it to see if you can somehow pick apart their correct opinion.

[kjs86z2]

Thats funny.. someone agrees with me, and you try to question it to see if you can somehow pick apart their correct opinion.

He's talking about Cecily being booted from multiple raid guilds. Not whatever retarded shit you're on about.

[Cecily]

He's saying I'm sooo angry about it that my accurate assessment of how awful this server is somehow invalidated. They're talking about the same thing, you fucking gold fish.

[Ekco]

Thats funny.. someone agrees with me, and you try to question it to see if you can somehow pick apart their correct opinion.

i know it seems that way cause it like.. vaguely connected to your bullshit complaints but you're missing some albeit minor butt important 15 years of context of server lore

everything was tried from rotations and drafts to zero tolerance policy in an attempt to fix the human condition known as the p99 raider the tl;weren't here is it isn't the CSR's fault or whatever bullshit ruleset is put in place or patch notes

you can't out theory craft or fix the problem when the actual problem is the people behind the screen everyone in the thread other than you already knows this so we've moved on the oral tradition of relitagating guild drama from many moons ago for old times' sake

[Drueric]

Well... it seems I figured it out alot quicker than yall did that raiding is cancer I didnt even have to try it to find out. Thank you for confirming what I already knew.

So basically, yall hijacked my topic and made it about yalls old ass grudges. Nice.

[Ekco]

So basically, yall hijacked my topic and made it about yalls old ass grudges. Nice.

it's a tradition

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/RMKqxZq.jpeg

[Cecily]

Well... it seems I figured it out alot quicker than yall did that raiding is cancer I didnt even have to try it to find out. Thank you for confirming what I already knew.

So basically, yall hijacked my topic and made it about yalls old ass grudges. Nice.
I'd be very careful who you share that with.
https://i.imgur.com/0wC8WoU.jpeg

[Jimjam]

With all the nerfs p99 has piled onto mages over the years and more recently.. Its just not fun anymore. The number of mages playing has declined and this is likely why.

Good job devs. You have ruined mages.

CIHYS?

[Ekco]

I've been thinking about Plato's Cave more recently than I'd like

it leaves less time to think about the Roman Empire.

[Viscere]

It's not a "crew": it's one guy, an Enchanter, who occaisionally two-boxes a Cleric to rez himself.

Oh he does a lot more than that :

-Abused pet auto tracking which got Rogean to nerf it
-Currently auto tracks in plane of hate via his ranger Doak after they nerfed pet-tracking.

Guy just can't help but cheat lol

Gonna probably end on Green like it did on Blue : a big RMT wave

Just sad that the staff can't do anything against scripting

[loramin]

Just sad that the staff can't do anything against scripting

It's not even that they have to do something special with scripting: just look at the logs and you'll see his 2-boxed cleric logging on within seconds of his death every time he dies. Just give me a few minutes with the database tables that track logins and character deaths and I could write the query proving he's a cheater for them.

[kjs86z2]

i like how its one guy and staff still cant get him

viva la resistance

[loramin]

I mean, it's possible they just can't, but there are also other explanations.

[Ekco]

what is he like john wick or something wtf you mean they can't get him.

[loramin]

there are also other explanations.

[Jimjam]

Guys please stop staff bashing the enchanter in Hate.

[Ekco]

Touché

[Ripqozko]

if you arent quadding then you are basically just a potg druid or mana song bard, a waste of space.

[Findlyn]

I mean, it's possible they just can't, but there are also other explanations.

I will say what loramin is afraid to say. It's like the "conspiracy" theories of live, that the reason certain well known and long established botters that should've been banned long ago is, because the call is coming within the house.

Not saying that someone in leadership is involved with this. HOWEVER, when things like this happen and it gets hand waved away or every little thing they can come up with for why they CAN'T ban someone it leads to these types of rumors. It's at MINIMUM just horrible fucking optics that keep or push people away.

Even as a P99 "casual", who is on the forums far more than I've ever played on server at this point now. But the thing that makes me not care about getting past 50 on this server, is the things like this. Granted, there is no reason for the admin/csr to care if I play or not TBH. Same with most people here, but I don't think they should be worried about preserving anyone they are even just 90% sure they are botting.

I am sorry but if admins want 100% proof to ban botters they should be more active, or else it starts to look at best like they don't care, and at worst they are an accomplice in it.

[druidbob]

Honestly th easiest solution imo would be to just add the earth staff back to Inny's loot table like it was pre revamp. Would actually make him a raid target worthwhile to guilds instead of sitting up until literally everything else is killed.

[loramin]

Honestly th easiest solution imo would be to just add the earth staff back to Inny's loot table like it was pre revamp. Would actually make him a raid target worthwhile to guilds instead of sitting up until literally everything else is killed.

Yes, so much yes.

[Viscere]

i like how its one guy and staff still cant get him


Oh the staff got him real good, he got popped on blue for RMT, Braknar nuked all his legacy into orbit.

So he started over on Green under a dumb ass name.

While Rogean recently nerfed pet-tracking after Drops' overwhelming amount of evidences of cheating, Blistig mentioned being powerless against scripting for auto-tracking on a ranger...so not much else he or we can do rn.

The devs probably cringe at the idea to spend time to go police a neckbeard using scripts to track on their server.

As far as boxing, outside of randomly porting their toons to Unrest for a boxing check, I dunno what else they could do.

But the real damaging part is the auto-tracking on Doak, we keep sending information about which camp we take in OOC, and they are completely oblivious to these info when they log in, they dont even try to hide that Doak isnt player controled.

Medris' new camp meta in hate is actually excellent, but it's ruined by a small group abusing with their ranger.

Remove that element, and it's perfect.

Just look into Doak, you will see pretty quickly that their argument of international 5 time zones neckbeard tracking team going at it uninterrupted for DAYS just doesn't hold.

[Duik]

...international 5 time zones neckbeard tracking team going at it uninterrupted for DAYS just doesn't hold

That still goes on?

[Snaggles]

He's the classic P99 newbie: he's never raided, but he hears how toxic the raid scene is in the forums, so without the proper context, he's decided raiding is a toxic "system", and uses that to justify not participating in it.

/endthread

this thread might be salvageable yet

Big doubt. OP is posting far more frequently than they are learning stuff.

[Cecily]

Honestly th easiest solution imo would be to just add the earth staff back to Inny's loot table like it was pre revamp. Would actually make him a raid target worthwhile to guilds instead of sitting up until literally everything else is killed.

AFAIK the whole reason the staff got moved to minis was to make the epic more accessible. Like most of Plane of Hate on P99 historically, it's probably fucked up some how. I doubt these drop rates are anywhere close to accurate, being far too rare.

[Drueric]

/endthread



Big doubt. OP is posting far more frequently than they are learning stuff.

Cool story bro, but its got nothing to do with the topic.

[Snaggles]

Cool story bro, but its got nothing to do with the topic.

Well, I’ve had a 60 mage for years now.

[Drueric]

Well, I’ve had a 60 mage for years now.

Another cool story bro, how many years since you played it outside of being a coth bot and how does it pertain to the topic.

[Duik]

Anything that does not support my post is wrong.

[Viscere]

That still goes on?

Yeah , Doak is on and auto-tracks 24/7 for entire windows lasting for days

[Ekco]

Cool story bro, but its got nothing to do with the topic.
https://i.imgur.com/AJ0WD0G.png
your thread is for proxy wars between superpowers now, should put in a petition to the UN about it.
sorry

Anything that does not support my post is wrong.
this but unironically in a unhealthy way.

[Snaggles]

Another cool story bro, how many years since you played it outside of being a coth bot and how does it pertain to the topic.

I soloed to 60. Farmed Seb with friends. Have helped with epic kills (including countless Phinny’s). Plenty of Vindis beating mediocre dps on the parse. Trained out for Doz dozens of times. All without complaining about what the class can’t do or that I don’t have my epic.

Why don’t you do some testing and provide actual stats on pet-attack distance? The last thing EQ needs is more dogma.

[Duik]

A mage player commenting on a mage centric thread with good, (snaggles has forum cred) contrary anecdotal evidence offering advice to "check stats".

[Cecily]

I had a friend with a I think 55 mage who used to sit in EC tunnel with LFG on for months while he chatted with me before quitting. They're a bad class in an early MMO in a time period before much of the later balancing occurred to make them viable. You're not a bad person for playing one, but less talking more summoning mod rods.

[Snaggles]

I’ll measure off some distances today or tomorrow and do pet attack testing.

[Drueric]

Anything that is not relevant to my post is wrong.


Fixed that for you.

[Drueric]

I soloed to 60. Farmed Seb with friends. Have helped with epic kills (including countless Phinny’s). Plenty of Vindis beating mediocre dps on the parse. Trained out for Doz dozens of times. All without complaining about what the class can’t do or that I don’t have my epic.

Why don’t you do some testing and provide actual stats on pet-attack distance? The last thing EQ needs is more dogma.

Yet another cool story bro. I too have once level a mage to 60 and went to sebilis with friends and strangers. I also have helped kill raid bosses. All without complaining too.

This topic has nothing to do with what happened in the distant past, its about p99 nerfing mages with unclassic changes. Try to keep up.

[Ekco]

mad.

[Snaggles]

Normally the onus is on the thread starter bucking the status quo or alleging a bug. It’s clearly not your style so I’ll try to figure this out for you.

[kjs86z2]

throw it on inny @ 100% drop rate

its 2025 let the coth bots have their epic

[Tann]

Normally the onus is on the thread starter bucking the status quo or alleging a bug. It’s clearly not your style so I’ll try to figure this out for you.

we'll see OP's evidence around the same time we see the Fippy Darkpaw list get released.

[Drueric]

we'll see OP's evidence around the same time we see the Fippy Darkpaw list get released.

Do you never look at patch notes?

[Tann]

Do you never look at patch notes?

you mean this?


Changelog Rogean: Distance check re-added for Pet Attack


Weird, I don't see a post after this showing any data of the before and after ranges. Waiting on Snaggles to provide some actual proof that things are borked not a pompous git ranting about his gut feelings

[Ripqozko]

you mean this?



Weird, I don't see a post after this showing any data of the before and after ranges. Waiting on Snaggles to provide some actual proof that things are borked not a pompous git ranting about his gut feelings

it only checks pet vs mob not you vs mob. you can still do any pet pulls in raids that we could before. doze initial, gozzrem pull, pr, ltk initial, telke initial, etc. nothing changed for a raid mage.

[Snaggles]

we'll see OP's evidence around the same time we see the Fippy Darkpaw list get released.

I took 5 minutes to confirm pet attack is not 300 range like Scars of Sigil
Moved up until a NPC was on range for Shock of Steel, 200 range.
DDD responded to attack command at 200 range and started running.

This is a substantial amount of distance. I can’t know for certain if it was 300 range before but I doubt it. All of my pet command use is around the distance of a normal detriment spell (cancel magic, Shock of Steel, Sini/Mala, Burst of Flame). Even chaining kills in Droga, the 200 range extends from the last kill so you can queue up kills and have it run all over the room, even if that’s not the best way to grind for sake of perming the pet.

I feel that 100 range would be potentially annoying but I still not class-breaking. After all, that is the distance of the shaman epic and normal heal spells (not remedy, chloroblast, or natures touch which are 200).

Also remember, pet attack is not line of sight as are detrimental cast spells.

PS: I know this is fairly nerdy for the RNF section but didn’t think it was necessary to create a thread about it.

[Snaggles]

Yeah, what Rip said. This effectively changes nothing. Raid scene, grind scene, etc.

[Drueric]

it only checks pet vs mob not you vs mob. you can still do any pet pulls in raids that we could before. doze initial, gozzrem pull, pr, ltk initial, telke initial, etc. nothing changed for a raid mage.

I myself had to get closer in order to orer my pet to attack something, but when I played again recently, this was no longer the case. Perhaps they changed it back without telling anyone.

[Ripqozko]

I myself had to get closer in order to orer my pet to attack something, but when I played again recently, this was no longer the case. Perhaps they changed it back without telling anyone.

Absolutely nothing changed the same day it was patched for a raiding mage , if ya aren't raiding and doing more than coth bot then you really don't matter anyways.

[Drueric]

Absolutely nothing changed the same day it was patched for a raiding mage , if ya aren't raiding and doing more than coth bot then you really don't matter anyways.

Uh, I play the game normally. And the entire reason for this topic was the nerf to pet attack range, which mysteriously is no longer an issue.

[Drueric]

Perhaps a server side variable they can change without doing a client patch and did so in response to the complaints. All I know is, its different than it was a month ago.

[Ripqozko]

Perhaps a server side variable they can change without doing a client patch and did so in response to the complaints. All I know is, its different than it was a month ago.

Ya this thread sucks and it shows that most mages don't do shit with their char.

[Cecily]

TIL the words "participation trophy" are really good bait for sports fans.

[Drueric]

Ya this thread sucks and it shows that most mages don't do shit with their char.

The fuck are you talking about. Stop being an asshole and talk like a normal person.

[Ripqozko]

The fuck are you talking about. Stop being an asshole and talk like a normal person.

sorry you are shit tier, prob have a potg only druid alt and a mana song bard too. Do better.

[Ekco]

The fuck are you talking about. Stop being an asshole and talk like a normal person.

your posting is improving
https://c.tenor.com/Q5JDMVaLgbMAAAAC/tenor.gif
You have become better at RnFposting (1)

[kjs86z2]

sorry you are shit tier, prob have a potg only druid alt and a mana song bard too. Do better.

sorry he dont got raid loot hope this helped

[Snaggles]

Uh, I play the game normally. And the entire reason for this topic was the nerf to pet attack range, which mysteriously is no longer an issue.

Did this mystery happen before or after I spent 5 mins and 1 malachite to prove your entire premise was BS?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3754005&postcount=156

[Drueric]

Did this mystery happen before or after I spent 5 mins and 1 malachite to prove your entire premise was BS?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3754005&postcount=156

I havnet played my mage in week, so it was before you wasted your gem which didnt prove anything

[Drueric]

Except that the nerf has been reverted.

[Drueric]

sorry you are shit tier, prob have a potg only druid alt and a mana song bard too. Do better.

I dont play druids or bards. Guess im not shit teir like you.

[Snaggles]

I havnet played my mage in week, so it was before you wasted your gem which didnt prove anything

Except that the nerf has been reverted.


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[Ripqozko]

I dont play druids or bards. Guess im not shit teir like you.

You definitely are, im sorry you dont got. Consider getting good.

[Drueric]

You definitely are, im sorry you dont got. Consider getting good.

Im definitely shit tier like you?

[Drueric]

Can you define "shit tier"

[Ripqozko]

Can you define "shit tier"

Drueric

[Ekco]

this dude is so bad at posting it wraps around into god tier trolling like a underflow error

[Drueric]

this dude is so bad at posting it wraps around into god tier trolling like a underflow error

I know right? All he knows how to do is troll and call people names. The only shit tier around here is his mental capacity.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/Cg45la4.jpeg

[Drueric]

https://i.imgur.com/ZNwtll0.jpg

[Taydris]

He's the classic P99 newbie: he's never raided, but he hears how toxic the raid scene is in the forums, so without the proper context, he's decided raiding is a toxic "system", and uses that to justify not participating in it.

100%

[Duik]

https://i.imgur.com/ZNwtll0.jpg

You are the bitch of the IMG tag though.
Tagged and bagged.

[Drueric]

100%

been playing on p99 for 3 years longer than you. And I played for years on the original game after release. How am I a noob again? You idiots know nothing.

[Drueric]

You are the bitch of the IMG tag though.
Tagged and bagged.

Oh my... the classic "I know u are but am I" You got me....

https://i.imgur.com/vQnq3Rz.jpg