Questions on backstab

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Hello Rogues!

I have a few questions on backstab.

1. Unhasted backstab cooldown is 10 seconds, correct?
2. How does the backstab cooldown reduction work with regards to haste?
3. Can you double attack with backstab?
4. Have you ever seen a backstab above 696 damage?

[Cecily]

10 second base. It's either about 5 or 6 second with haste. 5ish would make sense with 98/99 haste. Skill timers and haste were fucky for a long time a long time ago. Yes. 55+ unlocks double backstab. Max backstab damage on this server is 553 with a 15 damage weapon. Duelist doubles damage so a duelist backstab caps at 1106. Please do not answer rogue questions.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

10 second base. ~6 second hasted. Yes. 55+ unlocks double backstab. Max backstab damage on this server is 553 with a 15 damage weapon. Duelist doubles damage so a duelist backstab caps at 1106. Please do not answer rogue questions.

Thanks for that!

Max backstab is 696 from my raid logs so far:


[Fri Mar 29 22:26:07 2019] Jumbasa backstabs Dagarn the Destroyer for 696 points of damage.


This lines up with the EQEMU code as well.

My logs show 5 or 6 seconds per backstab as the fastest refresh as well.

[Cecily]

Your max is determined by your level (backstab skill cap), your strength, and your weapon damage. You hit max more often with more ATK, so AoB gear is important, and VoG / CoTP / SoN / Focus (STR cap) are key raiding buffs.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Your max is determined by your level (backstab skill cap), your strength, and your weapon damage. You hit max more often with more ATK, so AoB gear is important, and VoG / CoTP / SoN / Focus (STR cap) are key raiding buffs.

Correct. Backstab works like a normal attack, with five differences:

1. You have to manually press backstab.
2. Backstab adjusts your weapon damage before it does the damage calculation. A 15 damage weapon basically becomes a 120 damage weapon at 235 backstab skill. The formula for this is (Weapon Damage + 3) * ((Backstab Skill * 0.02) + 2). (15 + 3) * ((235 * 0.02) + 2) = 120. (120 weapon damage * 2) * 2.85 percentage multiplier cap + 11 damage bonus = 695 damage at best. The 696 we saw above is probably due to rounding.
3. A minimum damage is applied at 51+. For 51-59 it is (Level * 3 / 2). At level 60 it is Level * 2 = 120, which is the minimum damage we see on backstabs for level 60s.
4. The cooldown is not tied to weapon delay.
5. Double attack isn't unlocked until 55+.

[Vivitron]

Correct. Backstab works like a normal attack, with five differences:

1. You have to manually press backstab.
2. Backstab adjusts your weapon damage before it does the damage calculation. A 15 damage weapon basically becomes a 120 damage weapon at 235 backstab skill. The formula for this is (Weapon Damage + 3) * ((Backstab Skill * 0.02) + 2). (15 + 3) * ((235 * 0.02) + 2) = 120. (120 weapon damage * 2) * 2.85 percentage multiplier cap + 11 damage bonus = 695 damage at best. The 696 we saw above is probably due to rounding.
3. A minimum damage is applied at 51+. For 51-59 it is (Level * 3 / 2). At level 60 it is Level * 2 = 120, which is the minimum damage we see on backstabs for level 60s.
4. The cooldown is not tied to weapon delay.
5. Double attack isn't unlocked until 55+.

553 / 1106 (duelist) is max backstab damage on p99.

While you're waiting to see an 1106 for yourself you can easily check 553's in your logs and confirm only higher backstabs were preceded by a duelist. The duelist message is "Soandso's eyes gleam with energy."

[Cecily]

Actually the max backstab is 553 and 1106 with duelist.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

553 / 1106 (duelist) is max backstab damage on p99.

While you're waiting to see an 1106 for yourself you can easily check 553's in your logs and confirm only higher backstabs were preceded by a duelist. The duelist message is "Soandso's eyes gleam with energy."

I do not believe this is correct. Looking back at this log:



[Fri Mar 29 22:26:07 2019] Jumbasa backstabs Dagarn the Destroyer for 696 points of damage.


I do not see the "eyes gleam with energy." message for Jumbasa. I do see the message for other Rogues, so I know the message can be seen by myself.

These are all the "eyes gleam with energy" messages for that day:


[Fri Mar 29 22:26:42 2019] Stabithaa's eyes gleam with energy.
[Fri Mar 29 22:33:03 2019] Dravingar's eyes gleam with energy.
[Fri Mar 29 23:17:04 2019] Knapsack's eyes gleam with energy.
[Fri Mar 29 23:17:19 2019] Katierakel's eyes gleam with energy.
[Fri Mar 29 23:22:35 2019] Narienna's eyes gleam with energy.
[Fri Mar 29 23:22:47 2019] Konsent's eyes gleam with energy.
[Fri Mar 29 23:23:52 2019] Stabithaa's eyes gleam with energy.


In theory it is possible my logs missed the message, but I doubt it. I don't see Jumbasa use his duelist for the entire day.

It is also a bit too much of a conicidence that the max damage from the EQEMU code happens to match up exactly with the highest damage value I've seen.


The formula for this is (Weapon Damage + 3) * ((Backstab Skill * 0.02) + 2). (15 + 3) * ((235 * 0.02) + 2) = 120. (120 weapon damage * 2) * 2.85 percentage multiplier cap + 11 damage bonus = 695 damage at best. The 696 we saw above is probably due to rounding.

[Cecily]

Are you deliberately trolling? With a 15 damage weapon, that means Mrylo or Ragebringer, both of which most rogues don't use mainhand due to 13 damage Vyemm's Fang being way more accessible. That max hit will be lower than the 553 / 1106 potential max. You don't know that rogues get double backstab. You are not qualified to spout meaningless damage calcs when the answer is already solved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Are you deliberately trolling? With a 15 damage weapon, that means Mrylo or Ragebringer, both of which most rogues don't use mainhand due to 13 damage Vyemm's Fang being way more accessible. That max hit will be lower than the 553 / 1106 potential max. You don't know that rogues get double backstab. You are not qualified to spout meaningless damage calcs when the answer is already solved.

I'm not trolling. I am looking at real p99 logs and the EQEMU code, which P99 is derived from. If you have some counter evidence I would love to see it.

[Cecily]

[Sun Dec 08 23:23:58 2024] Paradyme backstabs Vulak`Aerr for 1106 points of damage.

[Zuranthium]

One of the most DSM things ever. Not knowing multiple basic mechanics, not listening to people who have actually lived through something, and then proceeding to act like they know more, using a faulty simulation as their reasoning (stock EQEMU code is not the same as P99 or classic EQ code, lesson #100). Basic AI's are more capable of having a worthwhile conversation with.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

[Sun Dec 08 23:23:58 2024] Paradyme backstabs Vulak`Aerr for 1106 points of damage.

And how to you explain this:


[Fri Mar 29 22:26:07 2019] Jumbasa backstabs Dagarn the Destroyer for 696 points of damage.


Without a duelist message?

[Cecily]

It feels like I'm getting trolled by a LLM

[Cecily]

And how to you explain this:
Without a duelist message?
You may have been out of range of the emote. 553 is the cap. I hope this helps.

https://i.imgur.com/8eAd2Hd.jpeg

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You may have been out of range of the emote. 553 is the cap. I hope this helps.

It's possible, but duelist lasts 12 seconds, and I was getting consistent messages from jumbasa for those 12 seconds prior. So I doubt it:


[Fri Mar 29 22:25:51 2019] Jumbasa backstabs Dagarn the Destroyer for 168 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:51 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 30 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:51 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 43 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:51 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 83 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:52 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:52 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 20 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:52 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 85 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:53 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 59 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:54 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:54 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:54 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 25 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:54 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:55 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 50 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:55 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 41 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:55 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:55 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 37 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:56 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 21 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:56 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:56 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:56 2019] Jumbasa tries to backstab Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:57 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 124 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:57 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 122 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:58 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:58 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 105 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:58 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 68 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:59 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 181 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:59 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:25:59 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 114 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:00 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:00 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 72 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:00 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 71 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:00 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 71 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:01 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 97 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:01 2019] Jumbasa tries to backstab Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:02 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:02 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:02 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 72 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:03 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 71 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:03 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 71 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:04 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:04 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:04 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 79 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:05 2019] Jumbasa pierces Dagarn the Destroyer for 115 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:05 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 56 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:05 2019] Jumbasa tries to slash Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:06 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 56 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:06 2019] Jumbasa slashes Dagarn the Destroyer for 56 points of damage.
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:06 2019] Jumbasa tries to pierce Dagarn the Destroyer, but misses!
[Fri Mar 29 22:26:07 2019] Jumbasa backstabs Dagarn the Destroyer for 696 points of damage.

[Cecily]

Oh ok. Maybe you discovered something I didn't as a rogue main on live and blue and green. I guess I don't know the game mechanics. But for real that's a duelist backstab.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Oh ok. Maybe you discovered something I didn't as a rogue main on live and blue and green. I guess I don't know the game mechanics.

I'm not sure why you are getting so defensive. There's nothing wrong with discussing game mechanics. I didn't say you were a bad Rogue or don't know Rogues.

[Cecily]

Because you're fucking wrong on the Internet on a basic piece of information I probably meet the definition of an expert on by now.

[Kirdan]

Pretty obvious that Jumbasa hit duelist, look at the damage spiking in his non-bs attacks as well starting at 25:57. You were just out of range of the emote, which is definitely shorter range than melee attacks.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Pretty obvious that Jumbasa hit duelist, look at the damage spiking in his non-bs attacks as well starting at 25:57. You were just out of range of the emote, which is definitely shorter range than melee attacks.

Good catch! This is why we have discussions, so a proper conclusion can be had. There was no need for insults.

[Cecily]

No, no I'm taking another look at your numbers and you may on to something. 696 might be the max actually. Or maybe you're posting on a forum where people have played the game before and know the answers and you want to argue... It's god damned trolling. I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but if it's in anyway malicious... I appreciate you. And if it's just who are as a person, I'm so sorry.
Say hello to Jumba for me please. Also never post rogue advice again. You lack the knowledge to contribute meaningfully. Esoteric bits of information like rogues can double backstab and all that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No, no I'm taking another look at your numbers and you may on to something. 696 might be the max actually. Or maybe you're posting on a forum where people have played the game before and know the answers and you want to argue... It's god damned trolling. I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but if it's in anyway malicious... I appreciate you. And if it's just who are as a person, I'm so sorry.
Say hello to Jumba for me please. Also never post rogue advice again. You lack the knowledge to contribute meaningfully. Esoteric bits of information like rogues can double backstab and all that.

I found the issue. The EQEMU code gives +3 Weapon damage, but it looks like the intent was for mobs only.

The formula is now:


RoundDecimal(Weapon Damage * ((Backstab Skill * 0.02) + 2)) * 2 * 2.85 = Max Backstab Damage.


15 * ((225 * 0.02) + 2) = 97 rounded down. 97 weapon damage * 2 * 2.85 percentage multiplier cap = 552.9 damage at best. That is 553 rounded up.

It was simply an interesting coincidence that the 696 backstab I happened to look at lines up with the +3 damage perfectly when including damage bonus, and that 696 backstab happened to miss the emote message.

Thanks for the expert help! Now I know how backstab works, and this is another data point showing the EQEMU matches the P99 code.

I'll add it to my DPS calculator, so backstabs can be calculated. Now it will be easy for Rogues to compare weapons.

Having conversations about game mechanics is not trolling. Experts on these forums have been wrong before. I am not saying you are wrong here, but it's good to make sure the information is correct.

[Goregasmic]

No, no I'm taking another look at your numbers and you may on to something. 696 might be the max actually. Or maybe you're posting on a forum where people have played the game before and know the answers and you want to argue... It's god damned trolling. I don't think you're doing it on purpose, but if it's in anyway malicious... I appreciate you. And if it's just who are as a person, I'm so sorry.
Say hello to Jumba for me please. Also never post rogue advice again. You lack the knowledge to contribute meaningfully. Esoteric bits of information like rogues can double backstab and all that.

I've had my fair share of fruitless arguments with DSM but he went "are these the facts, these are my numbers and if all that is true then how do we explain this?". No need to call him names.

The argument "everybody knows this" on here is basically the lowest proof value on the totem pole since in the last year only we've seen popular knowledge being wrong a couple of times on critical mechanics so can't blame him for asking why.

[Cecily]

He's giving backstab weapon swapping advice to end game rogues in another thread when he doesn't know the absolute basics of the class. That doesn't stop him. There's multiple people telling him the damage cap and how it works. That doesn't stop him. Fuck willful ignorance. It's ok to not know something, but fuck people who argue with the people who do know. And furthermore which name did I call him? I don't think I've name called anyone. I'd appreciate you both to stop insinuating that I'm doing something that I'm not.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

He's giving backstab weapon swapping advice to end game rogues in another thread when he doesn't know the absolute basics of the class. That doesn't stop him. There's multiple people telling him the damage cap and how it works. That doesn't stop him. Fuck willful ignorance. It's ok to not know something, but fuck people who argue with the people who do know. And furthermore which name did I call that idiot? I don't think I've name called anyone. I'd appreciate you assholes to stop insinuating that I'm doing something that I'm not.

I understand how weapon DPS works quite well. I showed DPS calculations for different weapon sets without backatab so the OP of that thread could see the differences and make an informed decision.

I don't think anybody in that thread disagreed with the idea that more weapon damage = more backstab DPS either. That is what I said.

So no, I did not provide bad Rogue advice in that thread.

I am just making sure I get the details of backstab DPS correct, so I can add it to my calculator.

[Cecily]

Yeah I made a weapon calculator spreadsheet no one cared about years ago, too.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah I made a weapon calculator spreadsheet no one cared about years ago, too.

That's awesome! Minus the lack of interest part of course. It's fun to build a DPS calculator. Even if people don't use it, it helps me understand the game better. It also shows me that the P99 code and the EQEMU code is very similar. So far a lot of the code is basically the same, P99 is simply not using future expansion code like AA's.

[Samoht]

I understand how weapon DPS works quite well.

Hint: He doesn't.

Cecily, did you know that DSM believed offhand swing timer was reliant on a main hand swing?

It feels like I'm getting trolled by a LLM

I would assume this to be accurate if he wasn't behaving exactly like this since before any recent breakthroughs on LLM technology.

This person considers themselves an expert in all things EQ/P99 even though they peaked at being a 0% attendance raider.

You can never have a real conversation with DSM. Their autism is too high. They are unable to discuss or debate without snide comments degrading you, and they can never make an argument in good faith.

And if it's just who are as a person, I'm so sorry.

Don't be sorry. We've been trying to encourage DSM to seek professional help for their issues, but the suggestion has not been received very well. Since we can't get them to stop posting, the only solution is to put their account on ignore and resist the temptation to click show post when you see them spamming every single thread with their nonsense. DSM loves to spread bullshit into every single post they make, and there's no escaping it, just ignoring it.

Oh, and DSM feels the need to defend themselves in ever thread, so I assume it won't take them long to reply to this post because I'm sure they're already obsessively refreshing the forums.

[zelld52]

I'm living in quotes as I have the two main posters ignored, so each page is like 1 message and the rest are ignored, but all that being said:

I trust Cecily is living the DSM p99 experience. Despite Cecily being a rogue, DSM is no doubt debating, with confidence, how rogue mechanics work

[DeathsSilkyMist]

As usual, Samoht is simply lying or distorting in an attempt to discredit anybody he dislikes. He will just keep spamming threads over and over. The post history and the facts will not change, regardless of Samoht's post count. There isn't really any reason to read his posts.

[kjs86z2]

Cecily: actual top end rogue player

DSM: muH cAlcuLatOr says...

[loramin]

Yeah I made a weapon calculator spreadsheet no one cared about years ago, too.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fjw8FTSX3RuyA/source.gif

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/fjw8FTSX3RuyA/source.gif

It's always sad to see Loramin come into a thread, attack a random poster (now Cecily), and contribute nothing else.

Trust me. Cecily does not need you to white knight for them.

Also, I believe you have gravely misunderstood the point of Loramin's post.

You should probably let this one go...

You didn't need to post more nonsense and spam more threads. Loramin's post is off-topic trash. It doesn't really matter what meaning you think it has.

[Samoht]

It's always sad to see Loramin come into a thread, attack a random poster (now Cecily), and contribute nothing else.

Trust me. Cecily does not need you to white knight for them.

Also, I believe you have gravely misunderstood the point of Loramin's post.

You should probably let this one go...

[kjs86z2]

How DSM spun that into Loramin attacking Cecily just goes to show...

[Goregasmic]

He's right though, not only yall not contributing anything but making it worse.

[loramin]

He's right though, not only yall not contributing anything but making it worse.

When you have cancer, you can't just ignore it and proceed as if everything were normal. I mean, you can, but the tumor will just keep growing and interrupting more and more of the system's function, so it's a losing plan if you care about the health of the system.

As much as it may suck, sometimes your only option is to deal with the tumor.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

When you have cancer, you can't just ignore it and proceed as if everything were normal. I mean, you can, but the tumor will just keep growing and interrupting more and more of the system's function, so it's a losing plan if you care about the health of the system.

As much as it may suck, sometimes your only option is to deal with the tumor.

I'll never understand how Loramin thinks trolling threads with off-topic personal attacks is a cure for anything. He doesn't realize he is the tumor, along with other off-topic posters using personal attacks. If he didn't post attacks, people wouldn't defend themselves.

I am not sure why Loramin wants the forum to be full of threads spammed with off-topic character attacks, and the posters being attacked must remain silent. Not sure why Loramin keeps supporting trolls over regular posters. Probably because he likes acting like a troll himself.

The funny thing is Loramin has me on ignore, so we can see he is just randomly posting off-topic nonsense without even knowing what's being said. I am not sure what good his ignore is if he just continues to attack me in every thread anyway. It just makes him look even worse.

[Samoht]

I'll never understand how Loramin thinks trolling threads with off-topic personal attacks is a cure for anything. He doesn't realize he is the tumor, along with other off-topic posters using personal attacks. If he didn't post attacks, people wouldn't defend themselves.

I am not sure why Loramin wants the forum to be full of threads spammed with off-topic character attacks, and the posters being attacked must remain silent. Not sure why Loramin keeps supporting trolls over regular posters. Probably because he likes acting like a troll himself.

The funny thing is Loramin has me on ignore, so we can see he is just randomly posting off-topic nonsense without even knowing what's being said. I am not sure what good his ignore is if he just continues to attack me in every thread anyway. It just makes him look even worse.

Is the entire point of this post to be an off-topic personal attack against Loramin? Why would you admonish him for that when it's what you're doing yourself? You are a giant hypocrite. Seeking professional help should teach you the perspective you need so that you understand how stupid you sound when you make posts like this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Is the entire point of this post to be an off-topic personal attack against Loramin? Why would you admonish him for that when it's what you're doing yourself? You are a giant hypocrite. Seeking professional help should teach you the perspective you need so that you understand how stupid you sound when you make posts like this.

You still don't understand cause and effect. My post defending myself wouldn't exist if Loramin didn't attack first. You are just trolling.

[Goregasmic]

When you have cancer, you can't just ignore it and proceed as if everything were normal. I mean, you can, but the tumor will just keep growing and interrupting more and more of the system's function, so it's a losing plan if you care about the health of the system.

As much as it may suck, sometimes your only option is to deal with the tumor.

The thread was going fine despite cecily and zuranthium taunting him, he conceded he was mistaken and thanked everyone. Everybody piling up on him past that point was just gratuitous. If you want to shit on him I'm sure he'll give you plenty of opportunities in the future but here he wasn't the instigator/polluter.

[Zuranthium]

but here he wasn't the instigator/polluter.

No, he was. His reaction for two full pages to people telling him that his backstab numbers were wrong was "no, the numbers in game that you've seen yourself for years must be wrong, not my calculator."

A rational person would have immediately realized their formula was wrong and listened to what the actual in-game numbers are. Instead he refused to do that and tried to gaslight everyone.

[Samoht]

You still don't understand cause and effect. My post defending myself wouldn't exist if Loramin didn't attack first. You are just trolling.

There is no cause and effect here. People insulting you on the forums is not an open invitation for you to break forum rules yourself. There is no clause for "defending yourself" - no such thing exists. Why can't you get that through your skull?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There is no cause and effect here. People insulting you on the forums is not an open invitation for you to break forum rules yourself. There is no clause for "defending yourself" - no such thing exists. Why can't you get that through your skull?

I will continue to live in reality, where cause and effect does exist. It is the same reality where characters logged out from P99 cannot simultaneously be online and grouped with someone.

I understand you want the forum to be a place where you can attack people endlessly, and those people must remain silent and take your abuse. That is the perfect environment for a bully. I am sorry you can't be a bully here.

If you care about the rules, stop breaking them. The defense posts will stop too. Cause and effect.

[Goregasmic]

No, he was. His reaction for two full pages to people telling him that his backstab numbers were wrong was "no, the numbers in game that you've seen yourself for years must be wrong, not my calculator."

A rational person would have immediately realized their formula was wrong and listened to what the actual in-game numbers are. Instead he refused to do that and tried to gaslight everyone.

I didn't read him as insisting he was right but more trying to figure out what was going on and no one provided any explaination as to why he was wrong, not very helpful. He figured it out himself and it could have ended there.

[Samoht]

I will continue to live in reality, where cause and effect does exist. It is the same reality where characters logged out from P99 cannot simultaneously be online and grouped with someone.

I understand you want the forum to be a place where you can attack people endlessly, and those people must remain silent and take your abuse. That is the perfect environment for a bully. I am sorry you can't be a bully here.

If you care about the rules, stop breaking them. The defense posts will stop too. Cause and effect.

Oh, no, don't get me wrong here. I don't give a shit about the rules.

What's funny is your hypocrisy where you cry about Loramin spamming and attacking you while all you do is... spam and attack him.

It's quite hilarious that you think anybody cares.

I didn't read him as insisting he was right but more trying to figure out what was going on and no one provided any explaination as to why he was wrong, not very helpful. He figured it out himself and it could have ended there.

Gonna call bullshit on this one. DSM can't rub two brain cells together to start a fire. People tried to correct him and he kept spamming his bullshit theories.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Oh, no, don't get me wrong here. I don't give a shit about the rules.

Correct. This is the problem. Thank you for admitting this.


When you learn to follow the rules and stop attacking people, the people being attacked will stop defending themselves. Cause and effect.
It's quite hilarious that you think anybody cares.


People other than myself care about P99. When you scare people off by acting unhinged, that hurts everybody playing P99.

[Samoht]

Why did you change the text in the quote box to be nonsense? You getting desperate and running out of lies?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Why did you change the text in the quote box to be nonsense? You getting desperate and running out of lies?

Copy/paste error. The quote from you was:


It's quite hilarious that you think anybody cares.


Which was in the box too. And my response:

People other than myself care about P99. When you scare people off by acting unhinged, that hurts everybody playing P99.

[Samoht]

Still looks like nonsense. But I’m not the one hurting anybody. You are. With your bullshit dps calculator. You need to stop before it destroys the community with your ineptitude.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Still looks like nonsense. But I’m not the one hurting anybody. You are. With your bullshit dps calculator. You need to stop before it destroys the community with your ineptitude.

You still haven't done a code review or compared p99 parses on it. I've asked you to do it many times. You are just making up nonsense because you are a troll.

Your trolling hurts p99, as you scare off people from the forums. Remember how you scared off Sscalez by being an asshole? You need to stop acting like a crazy person.

[Samoht]

Oh, no. :(

Did I really scare off Sscalez? The warm body monk from Riot that thinks 4 = 1? I’m sure we’re better off.

How many people have you scared off with your terrible advice or by pushing your DPS calculator that can’t even calculate off hand damage, backstab damage, or AC above 100? I have never seen anybody so bad at this game insist that they’re so right.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Oh, no. :(

Did I really scare off Sscalez? The warm body monk from Riot that thinks 4 = 1? I’m sure we’re better off.


See? This is the problem. You don't care about other people.

You aren't going to convince anybody you are correct about myself or my DPS calculator with your current behavior. You aren't going to bully me into silence either.