Welcome Back From Quarm

[zelld52]

Hope you enjoyed your stay. Project 1999 is just as you left it.

[rahni]

Hope you enjoyed your stay. Project 1999 is just as you left it.
Standing on corpses style points.

[Reiwa]

What happened to Quarm? Did someone steal the donations

[kjs86z2]

What happened to Quarm? Did someone steal the donations

lol

[zelld52]

Rumor has it thst THJ got hit with a cease and desist for harboring filthy casuals. Secrets found it prudent to temporarily suspend the server activity while the heat dies down and Daybreak stops rounding up all the filthy casuals

[magnetaress]

https://imgur.com/a0Hmuc5.jpg

[Ekco]

lol.

[magnetaress]

Oh. Yeah servers name is Agnarr and it's daybreak's best ever server imho.

[Ciderpress]

Was just a matter of time. Glad I did not roll on those servers, though THJ sounded intreresting.

[magnetaress]

THJ was the dumbest idea in ages. They begged to get shut down. FAFO

[Ekco]

Was just a matter of time. Glad I did not roll on those servers, though THJ sounded intreresting.

the concept was insanely cool, should have tried it out it was pretty fun

reminded me more of Diablo/PoE than everquest, the class system was good.

[Ekco]

They begged to get shut down. FAFO

this might get worse with how you can basically just ask a LLM to do the server setup for you now

people that shouldn't be running boxes can now if they want, easily.

[Reiwa]

THJ was the dumbest idea in ages. They begged to get shut down. FAFO

THC is the world-tutorial on live? And achievements? I remember spawning with a book(not pod book) in Crescent Reach I decided to ignore.

[Croco]

Hope you enjoyed your stay. Project 1999 is just as you left it.

Is it though? How's pet tracking going these days? Lol

[Zumok]

https://imgur.com/a0Hmuc5.jpg


has nothing to do with the name LOL it has everything to do with $ and the donations they were getting for world buffs during the beta you could pay 50$ and get world buffs 42 slot bags etc,

[magnetaress]

this might get worse with how you can basically just ask a LLM to do the server setup for you now

people that shouldn't be running boxes can now if they want, easily.
😱
THC is the world-tutorial on live? And achievements? I remember spawning with a book(not pod book) in Crescent Reach I decided to ignore.

Yes. It was more than that though. It got you to 80-100 with a lot of good gear Rewards. Introduced expansions and features. And also showcased a lot of fun lore and zones and leveling on the way.

The heroes journey was one of the best additions to live EQ.

[RevengeofGio]

THJ was the dumbest idea in ages. They begged to get shut down. FAFO

Dumbest idea in ages?

They did something unique and a lot of people liked it.

[Ekco]

competing directly for customers and taking money was the dumb part

time would have been better spent working on something they could sell legitimately on steam even though its oversaturated af with clones

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

So is Daybreak just going to copy the concept now? And release a custom THJ server of their own? Seems like the smart play

[shovelquest]

THJ was the dumbest idea in ages. They begged to get shut down. FAFO

https://i.imgur.com/neZoDVe.gif

[Ephirith]

So is Daybreak just going to copy the concept now? And release a custom THJ server of their own? Seems like the smart play

That would require an actual investment in the IP beyond whatever skeleton crew Daybreak has assigned to making sure "line go up" on krono sales.

[Elizondo]

So is Daybreak just going to copy the concept now? And release a custom THJ server of their own? Seems like the smart play

Common Sense actually

[torriadore]

So is Daybreak just going to copy the concept now? And release a custom THJ server of their own? Seems like the smart play
Realistically, no. THJ was nearly a year into their development, with more really since they piggybacked off the previous works of the two devs when they started. It's like imagine the theoretical that P1999 was shut down, would they try to replicate it? There's an audience for it, but emulator servers work under the blessing and curse that they use an old client of the game and then dev time doesn't really translate into much of anything the live servers could duplicate without putting close to an equal amount of time into to make things work on the live client. Think of WoW classic, they had to get players to download an old client because it was simply too much effort to try and rewind the live servers to get the classic feel.

My predictions on what Daybreak does after THJ shutters would be:
1- Nothing. They eliminated competition, I doubt they have the manpower or appetite to do much soul searching as to why Fangbreaker failed.
2- Some future progression server that cuts every corner to try and mock up the THJ experience. THJ was basically "what if Everquest was a Diablo-like solo gaming casual friendly experience". So expect something to try and achieve that but that requires as little dev time and effort as possible to do so.

[shovelquest]

Daybreaks classic progression server has new freeport. They can't recreate shinola.

[Wakanda]

Honestly with Quarm gone if they would just merge Blue and Green I would be pretty happy. The player-base is already super niche and small; once you start splitting it up it starts to feel really tiny.

This is starting to become a huge problem even with WoW. I currently have like 12 different real-life friends who actively play WoW, but none of them are playing the same version of WoW so we can't even play together and it's making the game feel dead.

[Wakanda]

So is Daybreak just going to copy the concept now? And release a custom THJ server of their own? Seems like the smart play

IDK if anyone else noticed this, but shortly after Project Epoch was conceptualized Blizzard came out with Season of Discovery, basically copying the idea. So probably.

[zelld52]

Honestly with Quarm gone if they would just merge Blue and Green I would be pretty happy. The player-base is already super niche and small; once you start splitting it up it starts to feel really tiny.

This is starting to become a huge problem even with WoW. I currently have like 12 different real-life friends who actively play WoW, but none of them are playing the same version of WoW so we can't even play together and it's making the game feel dead.

this guy over here bragging about having 12 friends. we get it youre cool, jees

[Reiwa]

I think Quarm will be OK because de minimis.

https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/futurama/e/e0/Hyper.jpg

[Reiwa]

And if you haven't been materially harmed you don't get to got relief.

[Swish]

That would require an actual investment in the IP beyond whatever skeleton crew Daybreak has assigned to making sure "line go up" on krono sales.

This has been Daybreak's problem to begin with. The concept of having to spend money to make money is completely against their ethos. Everything is about what's coming in.

If they staffed their games properly there'd be less bots, scripters, 3rd party program usage and people abusing the TLPs altogether... which should attract the nostalgia crowd a lot more than it does currently.

They really do need to make something themselves to really be more than just some shell of a company there to let live server EQ/Planetside 2 bleed out slowly.

Wasn't some EQ sequel announced last year? Is it on some Pantheon timeline? I can't find much on how that's going :o

[Tann]

Realistically, no. THJ was nearly a year into their development, with more really since they piggybacked off the previous works of the two devs when they started. It's like imagine the theoretical that P1999 was shut down, would they try to replicate it? There's an audience for it, but emulator servers work under the blessing and curse that they use an old client of the game and then dev time doesn't really translate into much of anything the live servers could duplicate without putting close to an equal amount of time into to make things work on the live client. Think of WoW classic, they had to get players to download an old client because it was simply too much effort to try and rewind the live servers to get the classic feel.

My predictions on what Daybreak does after THJ shutters would be:
1- Nothing. They eliminated competition, I doubt they have the manpower or appetite to do much soul searching as to why Fangbreaker failed.
2- Some future progression server that cuts every corner to try and mock up the THJ experience. THJ was basically "what if Everquest was a Diablo-like solo gaming casual friendly experience". So expect something to try and achieve that but that requires as little dev time and effort as possible to do so.

3 - Daybreak offers THJ two options:

Be sued into homelessness
Give us all of your source code, server settings, system32, etc.. so we can launch our own shitty version with krono instead of THJbux

[Reiwa]

To prove your community is brokies, just file a pro se petition in forma pauperis.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/hl0BOzz.png

[cd288]

And if you haven't been materially harmed you don't get to got relief.

It doesn't need to be material for IP infringement. You're using their IP, that's the standard.

If you're seeking punitive and/or consequential damages (i.e., anything other than direct, quantifiable damages), you might have a hard time getting a significant amount if it wasn't material.

But you certainly don't need to prove any form of materiality to get a court order to make them stop using your IP.

[cd288]

3 - Daybreak offers THJ two options:

Be sued into homelessness
Give us all of your source code, server settings, system32, etc.. so we can launch our own shitty version with krono instead of THJbux


Honestly the source code will almost certainly be something THJ is ordered to turn over. They'll be ordered to give Daybreak anything generated based on/involving the IP.

[Reiwa]

It doesn't need to be material for IP infringement. You're using their IP, that's the standard.

If you're seeking punitive and/or consequential damages (i.e., anything other than direct, quantifiable damages), you might have a hard time getting a significant amount if it wasn't material.

But you certainly don't need to prove any form of materiality to get a court order to make them stop using your IP.

Would they issue a universal injunction?

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5f307e0170fab07c98e4aa896da87d5a/tumblr_onebi2Ghj21uzae1ko1_500.gif

[shovelquest]

Monorail.

Monorail.

Monorail.

[cd288]

Would they issue a universal injunction?

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5f307e0170fab07c98e4aa896da87d5a/tumblr_onebi2Ghj21uzae1ko1_500.gif

In an IP case, maybe. Depends on what Daybreak decides to argue.

It's of limited value though as you'd still have to file to enforce the injunction against other servers if they didn't cease operations. While that's certainly easier, in an IP case that's as clear cut as one against an emulated server is, saying "hey they are violating an injunction tell them to stop" isn't that much different than saying "hey they are using my IP without permission tell them to stop".

[Reiwa]

In an IP case, maybe. Depends on what Daybreak decides to argue.

It's of limited value though as you'd still have to file to enforce the injunction against other servers if they didn't cease operations. While that's certainly easier, in an IP case that's as clear cut as one against an emulated server is, saying "hey they are violating an injunction tell them to stop" isn't that much different than saying "hey they are using my IP without permission tell them to stop".

See you this Thursday.

[atomicpaul]

Finally, I can post IANAL on the p1999 forums

[Duik]

Is it on some sort of Pantheon timeline...

Gold.

[magnetaress]

Red 99 is a really good server if yall looking for a home here.

[Wakanda]

this guy over here bragging about having 12 friends. we get it youre cool, jees

People I've known for years, but don't really actively hang out with, but played WoW with prior, I guess.

[Reiwa]

The Quarm people seem genuinely ignorant that someone other than their unindicted co-conspirator did 99% of the work for their server.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

[Alukit Vassago]

The Quarm people seem genuinely ignorant that someone other than their unindicted co-conspirator did 99% of the work for their server.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

what are you even on about~?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

No Corpse Run, No Peace

The live tlp's are fun to goof off on but surprisingly unfun to, you know, "play." It's streamlined so it's always just Pixel March Saga.

[tunne]

No Corpse Run, No Peace

The live tlp's are fun to goof off on but surprisingly unfun to, you know, "play." It's streamlined so it's always just Pixel March Saga.

Peace can be acheived

[Reiwa]

Secrets has gone full Daybreak TLP fedaykin.

Really must be very worried about facing jailtime.

[Ekco]

gonna need you to elaborate abit for those of us who don't even have the ISOs or are in a single Discord channel anymore

>fedaykin
Ya Hya Chouhada!

until then imma default to taking the person who spent a shit load of time making then thing over the people who spend a shit load of time playing, the thing.

[Ekco]

's side.*

[Reiwa]

tremendous ghazawat

[Bisonzabi]

IDK if anyone else noticed this, but shortly after Project Epoch was conceptualized Blizzard came out with Season of Discovery, basically copying the idea. So probably.

Even during the SoE days, the EQ1/2 teams never had the financial backing or dev team sizes that Blizzard could muster for all their major WoW projects. And DBG is now a sliver of a faction what they use to have. Never will happen. DBG is pretty much the perpetual deathbed of SoE; kept on life support since 2015 by two different entities to milk whatever is left of the fanbases of their games with as minimal effort as possible. The last thing they want to do is hire additional devs to help pull off a radical server variation.

[Irespectwomen]

Honestly with Quarm gone if they would just merge Blue and Green I would be pretty happy. The player-base is already super niche and small; once you start splitting it up it starts to feel really tiny.

This is starting to become a huge problem even with WoW. I currently have like 12 different real-life friends who actively play WoW, but none of them are playing the same version of WoW so we can't even play together and it's making the game feel dead.

The problem with p99 and Everquest as a whole at this point is it was never designed to be this top heavy. Instances are basically required or it becomes an overly saturated game of attrition. There is definitely a sweet spot of instances and open world competition which no server has managed to grasp yet.

The great thing about p99 is it forces players to engage with the content completely through scarcity but it does so at the expense of an extremely boring and unhealthy raid scene.

The great thing Quarm does is it gives players the ability to engage in the raid scene casually but at the expense of making all non-raid content irrelevant. It could partially fix this by removing level requirements imo.

[Zuranthium]

Instances are basically required

Instances aren't needed, they make the game world more artificial. Content needs to be dynamic and raid targets should spawn mainly via guild quests. That way people can do things on their own time, but still always be part of the greater whole, each player's presence in a certain area impacting what will spawn and how it will behave. Every zone would be a living thing, constantly mutating in different ways. Anywhere you go would be a constant adventure and something to be experienced.

[tunne]

Instances aren't needed, they make the game world more artificial. Content needs to be dynamic and raid targets should spawn mainly via guild quests. That way people can do things on their own time, but still always be part of the greater whole, each player's presence in a certain area impacting what will spawn and how it will behave. Every zone would be a living thing, constantly mutating in different ways. Anywhere you go would be a constant adventure and something to be experienced.

you got money for this?

[shovelquest]

Instances aren't needed, they make the game world more artificial. Content needs to be dynamic and raid targets should spawn mainly via guild quests. That way people can do things on their own time, but still always be part of the greater whole, each player's presence in a certain area impacting what will spawn and how it will behave. Every zone would be a living thing, constantly mutating in different ways. Anywhere you go would be a constant adventure and something to be experienced.

I like that idea, but flag PVP for a month for anyone who deals damage to any raid mob would also solve blues raid problems

[Zuranthium]

you got money for this?

It could already be implemented on an EQ Emu server (mostly) if someone wants to put the work in. Need to write some new quests and change NPC spawn/aggro behavior, including the location where certain NPC's or certain items would spawn after appearing in the same place X amount of times. Lots of other things I would change too, but no way to build it all in my free time. Would need additional help from people who want to bring the vision to life.