Question

[Fhergul]

I'm sure that somewhere in the mass of posts this question has been asked before but I can't seem to find it.

Why isn't the agreement with Daybreak Games that allowed P99 to exist public? I for one would like to know what those are so I can see exactly how far P99 can go. Is it hard locked at Velious or is that just something that has grown from the rumors generated from the lack of the agreement being made public? Just curious about some things.

[Goregasmic]

I have no idea but wouldn't be surprised if they signed a NDA.

[Danth]

Is it hard locked at Velious or is that just something that has grown from the rumors generated from the lack of the agreement being made public? Just curious about some things.

It's neither rumor, nor derived from the 2015 agreement. The owners of P1999, from day 1, repeatedly stated that expansions beyond Velious are off the table. This was their own intention for P99 long before any legal agreement was ever made. Hence even if it were included in the agreement, then at most it was merely formalizing a decision the admins had long since already made. At one time the admins used to say that custom content was possible. This appears to have fallen by the wayside, could be due to the legal agreement, but more likely due to either admin opinions on the matter changing or due to simple developer fatigue/burnout.

[Goregasmic]

They had halloween/xmas events that were custom content so I don't think that is entirely off the table.

But the fact that they've always wanted to recreate an experience as close to classic as possible kinda rules out significant custom content additions.

[Swish]

They turned me into a puma once. I wonder if telling this story will get them in legal difficulty.

[Ciderpress]

It's hard locked at velious because the expansions after velious blow ass and in the minds of many including the staff luclin is where the original game took a turn for the monstrosity it is today. I enjoyed certain aspects of luclin and PoP but on balance I'm glad they are absent from this project

[Zumok]

I'm sure that somewhere in the mass of posts this question has been asked before but I can't seem to find it.

Why isn't the agreement with Daybreak Games that allowed P99 to exist public? I for one would like to know what those are so I can see exactly how far P99 can go. Is it hard locked at Velious or is that just something that has grown from the rumors generated from the lack of the agreement being made public? Just curious about some things.

A simple google search will help you https://www.everquest.com/news/project-1999-daybreak

[cd288]

I'm sure that somewhere in the mass of posts this question has been asked before but I can't seem to find it.

Why isn't the agreement with Daybreak Games that allowed P99 to exist public? I for one would like to know what those are so I can see exactly how far P99 can go. Is it hard locked at Velious or is that just something that has grown from the rumors generated from the lack of the agreement being made public? Just curious about some things.

Not public. They have stated it allows them to operate through Velious and not beyond. BUT, they have also stated in the past that it doesn't prohibit them from adding "custom" content. For example, I'm assuming they could add a couple zones from the classic map that didn't get added until later (if they ever wanted to take on that big project).

I would guess that if they ever did any sort of custom content thy would clear it with the IP holder first.

[zelld52]

P99 Devs will never add any custom content (outside of Rooting dragons lul) because they are only interested in re-creating classic the EverQuest client as it existed from 1999-2001. They have successfully done this, and are only going to continue to fine-tune said client so that it matches perfectly (as far as content) the experience you would have had in 1999 - 2001. Similar to how TAKP offers a niche with an older client.

This is a niche that Daybreak does not offer, because they will not
a) pay developers to create and
b) expect players to download
a second client with old systems to play classic EverQuest. Therefore, they allow P99 to fill this niche.

When it comes to QoL improvements, things that "aren't classic" - That's what TLPs are for (in the eyes of Daybreak). So if you want to create a server that offers something other than a very niche system, and you want to take donations, or host thousands of concurrent players - you're gonna get slapped with a C & D.

[WarpathEQ]

Will be interesting to see if the actual legal agreement comes to light during the course of the lawsuit between daybreak and THJ project. I would imagine an attorney for THJ would find tremendous value of bringing up evidence of Daybreak condoning fan-based emulatiuon projects existing using their IP as a defense for THJ's existance.

[cd288]

P99 Devs will never add any custom content (outside of Rooting dragons lul) because they are only interested in re-creating classic the EverQuest client as it existed from 1999-2001. They have successfully done this, and are only going to continue to fine-tune said client so that it matches perfectly (as far as content) the experience you would have had in 1999 - 2001. Similar to how TAKP offers a niche with an older client.

Eh, the staff has said they would be open to custom content in the past. It's not a matter of classic vs. unclassic to them (they would only implement it on Blue apparently), it's a matter of time and amount of work.

Will be interesting to see if the actual legal agreement comes to light during the course of the lawsuit between daybreak and THJ project. I would imagine an attorney for THJ would find tremendous value of bringing up evidence of Daybreak condoning fan-based emulatiuon projects existing using their IP as a defense for THJ's existance.

It wouldn't be relevant. It's not even the same people who gave P99 permission to operate and sign the contract. It's different people running the IP holder who are locked into the P99 contract as part of their acquisition of the IP. Further, even if it were the same people still running things, giving one party a waiver to operate on your IP has no relevance to whether you can sue someone else for infringing on it (as long as it's not trade secret, which this isn't it's a pure IP case)...you're allowed to do whatever you want with your IP, including making decisions as to which third parties are allowed to use it and which ones aren't.

[zelld52]

Eh, the staff has said they would be open to custom content in the past. It's not a matter of classic vs. unclassic to them (they would only implement it on Blue apparently), it's a matter of time and amount of work.


maybe the CSR staff, yeah - but did the devs mention this? id think Nilbog and Rogean arent interested in custom content

[loramin]

maybe the CSR staff, yeah - but did the devs mention this? id think Nilbog and Rogean arent interested in custom content

Bazaar will never exist.
PoKnowledge will never exist.

Nexus... maybe.
AA's.. unlikely but I wouldn't completely rule them out.. maybe a small amount of them.

But reusing plane of power zones and attaching them to existing zonelines spread out across the current norrath, definitely a possibility. Those zones look great, and lots of room for content. All the mobs and itemization would be custom to stay in line with velious level RvR.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86584

That being said, they haven't recently expressed any interest in the above.

[zelld52]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86584

That being said, they haven't recently expressed any interest in the above.

yah that was before their agreement with Daybreak / Darkpaw whatever it was back then - pretty sure the agreement must have included not adding any custom/QoL content, to distinguish it enough from Live and TLP, specifically so that p99 only fills a specific niche that DBG does not see as:

a) worthy of spending resources building a new client for
b) a threat to their TLP strategy

they let the sweatiest players kill each other and stress out the volunteer staff on P99 so they dont have to hear from us

[cd288]

Rogean and Nilbog have both said post-Daybreak agreement that they could do custom content on Blue.

I doubt it would ever occur because it would be a ton of work. But again, if they did I would assume they would absolutely check in with Daybreak about each addition.

[Infectious]

Will be interesting to see if the actual legal agreement comes to light during the course of the lawsuit between daybreak and THJ project. I would imagine an attorney for THJ would find tremendous value of bringing up evidence of Daybreak condoning fan-based emulatiuon projects existing using their IP as a defense for THJ's existance.

You probably work at Walmart, do not speculate. Rogean is a child savant who runs one of the biggest hedges on wall street.

[JayDee]

Not public. They have stated it allows them to operate through Velious and not beyond. BUT, they have also stated in the past that it doesn't prohibit them from adding "custom" content. For example, I'm assuming they could add a couple zones from the classic map that didn't get added until later (if they ever wanted to take on that big project).

I would guess that if they ever did any sort of custom content thy would clear it with the IP holder first.

Can you refer to the post that says p99 cannot go past velious? Not saying it doesnt exist but I have never seen it

[cd288]

Can you refer to the post that says p99 cannot go past velious? Not saying it doesnt exist but I have never seen it

Would probably have to go through years worth of posts and TBH I'm not going to do that haha.

But in any case, beyond staff statements, it would also make sense. Daybreak runs progression servers that go through the full timeline. They would grant permission to P99 under a set of circumstances which would include a limitation on how far into the timeline P99's server could go.

[JayDee]

Would probably have to go through years worth of posts and TBH I'm not going to do that haha.

But in any case, beyond staff statements, it would also make sense. Daybreak runs progression servers that go through the full timeline. They would grant permission to P99 under a set of circumstances which would include a limitation on how far into the timeline P99's server could go.
It would have been posted many times here and on various discord channels by now if it existed, my friend.

[cd288]

Yeah because in that it makes total sense that before the agreement Rogean and Nilbog had been open to adding certain aspects of Luclin and PoP and after it was signed they said Velious only. Right.

[Snaggles]

It’s Daybreak’s IP, they can grant whatever access they want and restrict whatever access they want. Whether it’s about another company profiting or even just due to concern for damages.

P99 got a formal agreement rather than assuming it would be fine. Often in life it’s better to ask for forgiveness than permission, not so much with potential IP infringement.

[Goregasmic]

But in any case, beyond staff statements, it would also make sense. Daybreak runs progression servers that go through the full timeline. They would grant permission to P99 under a set of circumstances which would include a limitation on how far into the timeline P99's server could go.

Not impossible but TLPs are very different beasts IIRC they don't strive to be classic at all and a bunch of them have special rulesets. Not sure how much playerbase overlap there is. As long as p99 remains mostly true to classic they might have more liberty as daybreak doesn't seem to want to go down that path.

[cd288]

Not impossible but TLPs are very different beasts IIRC they don't strive to be classic at all and a bunch of them have special rulesets. Not sure how much playerbase overlap there is. As long as p99 remains mostly true to classic they might have more liberty as daybreak doesn't seem to want to go down that path.

Yeah...Daybreak seems to view things not through a lens of mechanics and rulesets but simply "what expansions does this server cover". Honestly, from a legal perspective that's probably the most advantageous way for them to look at things as well. Starting to delve into mechanics and rulesets just opens them up to arguments for why people can use their IP without their permission (not good arguments...but arguments nonetheless).

[Elizondo]

Project 1999 is not technically a Private Server

It's a Museum

We're just allowed to play here. Server will be up if there are any players or not.

[Infectious]

Project 1999 is not technically a Private Server

It's a Museum

We're just allowed to play here. Server will be up if there are any players or not.

Technically its exactly the definition of a private server. What the hell are you talking about lol

[WarpathEQ]

Technically its exactly the definition of a private server. What the hell are you talking about lol

Theoretically its like a virtual private/public partnership

[F0rmsh1fter]

I'm sure that somewhere in the mass of posts this question has been asked before but I can't seem to find it.

Why isn't the agreement with Daybreak Games that allowed P99 to exist public? I for one would like to know what those are so I can see exactly how far P99 can go. Is it hard locked at Velious or is that just something that has grown from the rumors generated from the lack of the agreement being made public? Just curious about some things.

I can tell you exactly why but it involves very old server lore and well both get banned if I say it here

[cd288]

Why isn't the agreement with Daybreak Games that allowed P99 to exist public? I for one would like to know what those are so I can see exactly how far P99 can go. Is it hard locked at Velious or is that just something that has grown from the rumors generated from the lack of the agreement being made public? Just curious about some things.

Probably because Daybreak wants to reserve the ability to negotiate what terms it wants with other counterparties if Daybreak ever decided to give someone else a legal agreement like P99 has. They don't want them to go "well you let P99 do X, Y, and Z"