Faded memories with no proof

[wuanahto]

I remember the magician Goblin Skins (fire and ice) for the solro temple robe had a default colored leather graphic

I do not remember Sro orcs dropping deathfist belts

[wuanahto]

Halo of Light acting as a lightsource from inventory

[Ciderpress]

Gate collapses here seem way more common than they were on live. I specifically remember being almost lvl 50 when it happened for the first time, and i was like wtf was that cause it had never happened before in all those levels.

Here, I'll easily get multiple in a day, and even two in a row isn't all that unheard of.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Gate collapses here seem way more common than they were on live. I specifically remember being almost lvl 50 when it happened for the first time, and i was like wtf was that cause it had never happened before in all those levels.

Here, I'll easily get multiple in a day, and even two in a row isn't all that unheard of.

You might just be unlucky. Gate collapses are quite rare for me. I've only had a few on my Shaman. Unless the new patch changed something.

[Ciderpress]

You might just be unlucky. Gate collapses are quite rare for me. I've only had a few on my Shaman. Unless the new patch changed something.

Could be I guess. It also occurred to me they might have added gate collapses in some patch after launch, so the reason I never got one earlier was cause they weren't in the game yet. This was 1999 pre-kunark era, a lot of fundamental things about the game weren't even in yet. I still remember the patch that added bezerker frenzy to warriors, which made them marginally less painful to play and I was so happy.

[wuanahto]

evacs leaving people behind

[magnetaress]

I played everquest 25 years. At least an average of four hours a day. And sad to say I remember very little of it. It's hard to picture the gates of Neriak. I miss it very much.

Attachment leads to suffering and all is temporary.

[wuanahto]

mages being able to equip the solro fire opal rings

[Rygar]

Using DoT procs to hold agro as a warrior into Velious and beyond. Black Blade of Tormenting was so money, didn't give a shit about the ratio.

[Jimjam]

I remember the magician Goblin Skins (fire and ice) for the solro temple robe had a default colored leather graphic

I do not remember Sro orcs dropping deathfist belts

Are they not leather here? I remember being envious of mages having such easy access to non-cloth, non-robe graphic.

[wuanahto]

I do not remember starting cities having rats, dillos and other misc things in them and their corresponding quests

[wuanahto]

Are they not leather here? I remember being envious of mages having such easy access to non-cloth, non-robe graphic.

nope, cloth

[wuanahto]

Actually I went and double checked, turns out just the fire goblin skin does not have a leather graphic. the frost skin does have a leather graphic

[Duik]

evacs leaving people behind

Yep. Live did leave folks behind, did alot of evacs as a wizard. Dunno about here.

[magnetaress]

It definitely happend a lot on live. I remember evacing to EK on a druid leaving someone behind. Grp was ok with it coz they called for it.

[meathook]

Pretty decent proof Evac always left people behind from the Druid's Grove:

https://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-355.html

[meathook]

Definitely not a faded memory: Mend shouldn't reset after you die. The 6 minute timer is still in play. I remember dying as a monk in original EQ and on respawn waiting for the mend button to pop up to see how close I was to have been able to use the button during the fight that killed me.

[Namsaknoi]

On P99 evac drains everyone's mana to 0 each time. On live most of the time it didn't drain any mana, and occasionally partial drain on some members only. Full drain of mana on everyone was once in a life time event.

[Ciderpress]

Spirit of cheetah cooldown should reset after you zone, making it usable again. I remember exploiting it in that way, and not really knowing if it was supposed to work like that or not, but it nevertheless did at some point between 1999 and 2001

[cd288]

I do not remember starting cities having rats, dillos and other misc things in them and their corresponding quests

Like out in the newbie yard you mean? I can't speak for other cities, but WFP definitely had rats in the newbie yard. I think Qeynos did too.

Pretty decent proof Evac always left people behind from the Druid's Grove:

https://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-355.html

Doesn't evac have a range? Think there's any chance people were just slightly out of range and these folks back then didn't realize it?

[Ekco]

99% of the time it's range, either actual range or a visual server sync issue/lag thing.

leaving people behind happens but i'm pretty sure i accidentally evac'd people to skyfire more times in my wizard career than i saw a legit evac fail on someone

[Ekco]

"accidentally" to skyfire most of the times also
https://media.tenor.com/K2wScD6PmVgAAAAM/bennett-brauer.gif

[wuanahto]

Like out in the newbie yard you mean?

no i mean inside the actual cities
armadillos in oggok i dont remember running around until later xpacs
or those rats in qeynos

[Wildino]

I can't get two things out of my head: The shaman frogs in Trakanon Teeth never had pets, and the location of the druid ring in Butcherblock has moved about twenty meters.

[Ekco]

and the location of the druid ring in Butcherblock has moved about twenty meters.

oh i like this.

[Ciderpress]

No idea on the frog pet thing but I'm skeptical on the druid ring moving. They would have had to change the actual physical map geometry to do that and I have no memory of such a thing.

One player mesh change they definitely made though was that female barb chain helms used to look the same as the male ones, where it's just kind of a loose hood, and at some point pre-kunark they changed the female ones to that tightly tucked chain bonnet thing it is now. Looks much worse than the original imo.

[Ekco]

i like it cause of the Mandela Effect meme

they didn't change it, we're just in a different parallel universe than in 1999 where the BB ring is slightly moved lol.

[Elijah850]

Spirit of cheetah cooldown should reset after you zone, making it usable again. I remember exploiting it in that way, and not really knowing if it was supposed to work like that or not, but it nevertheless did at some point between 1999 and 2001

You should find some archive info on this. Would make Cheetah so much nicer on those runs from OT to Chardok to recharge ring haha

[loramin]

i like it cause of the Mandela Effect meme

they didn't change it, we're just in a different parallel universe than in 1999 where the BB ring is slightly moved lol.

dcAE8SMcNVo

[Skyking]

The mind is a beautiful thing, the lady confused about cloud storage and fascinated by crystals i assume due to healing properties or something(lol) is unironically asking a not stupid question

The concept is to store data optically in non-photosensitive transparent materials such as fused quartz, which has high chemical stability. Recording data using a femtosecond-laser was first proposed and demonstrated in 1996

Researchers have developed a method of storing data within nanoscale structures inside fused quartz, effectively creating a "memory crystal" capable of storing vast amounts of data for billions of years

[Jimjam]

Spirit Stones. Blast those Aeldari!

[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/_LRmQwAg4i0AAAAM/star-trek-deep-space-9.gif

The information about optolythic data rods suggests they are a fictional technology
used in the Star Trek universe for secure, tamper-proof data storage. There is no indication that they utilize liquid crystal as a medium.
Liquid crystals, however, are a real-world technology with potential applications in data storage, particularly holographic storage

close enough

[Ciderpress]

You should find some archive info on this. Would make Cheetah so much nicer on those runs from OT to Chardok to recharge ring haha

Wish I could remember the exact dates it was like that. I'm pretty sure it was pre-kunark because I would use the cooldown reset after zoning to quickly get between guk and EC quickly on my shaman. Once kunark came out I was always in kunark, and don't remember being able to do it there.

[loramin]

The mind is a beautiful thing, the lady confused about cloud storage and fascinated by crystals i assume due to healing properties or something(lol) is unironically asking a not stupid question

That's the beauty of that show (How To, on Max).

Essentially, the guy just follows the weirdest people he can find around with a camera, and somehow he gets them to produce really great footage. For instance, that show started out being about memory, but he ran into a guy at a grocery store who talked about the Mandela Effect, and it led to him filming that "convention".

[Ciderpress]

Oh I also remember the spell shrink working outdoors, not just potions, because I remember that when playing my dwarf cleric running around butcherblock, it always felt like you were moving so much faster because your view is lower to the ground, so any time I was in BB or any other outdoor zone on my shaman I'd double shrink myself using the spell. I never trained alchemy on my live shaman, so I know I wasn't using a potion. Once again though, no idea on the specific date range other than between 99 and 2001 when I quit

[loramin]

Oh I also remember the spell shrink working outdoors, not just potions, because I remember that when playing my dwarf cleric running around butcherblock, it always felt like you were moving so much faster because your view is lower to the ground, so any time I was in BB or any other outdoor zone on my shaman I'd double shrink myself using the spell. I never trained alchemy on my live shaman, so I know I wasn't using a potion. Once again though, no idea on the specific date range other than between 99 and 2001 when I quit

This actually sounded vaguely classic, so I went looking for evidence. I found a forum post titled "Shrink Nerf" (https://web.archive.org/web/20020322045046/http://vnboards.ign.com/board.asp?brd=5104&page=5) from 4/25/00 on The Shaman's Crucible ... but sadly the post itself has been lost to time.

I don't know how else they could have nerfed shrink (I mean, they could have raised the mana cost or lowered the range or something, but why?) ... but still better evidence is likely needed to restore outdoor shrinking on Green 2.0.

[Ciderpress]

Yeah that's gotta be it... date totally makes sense, sounds like it was likely a nerf that happened right around kunark launch.

Must find more evidence, cruising around everywhere as a mini barbarian was so fun.

[Zwieback]

Gate collapses here seem way more common than they were on live. I specifically remember being almost lvl 50 when it happened for the first time, and i was like wtf was that cause it had never happened before in all those levels.

Here, I'll easily get multiple in a day, and even two in a row isn't all that unheard of.

maybe you just a shitty caster.

[Jimjam]

Low level mobs are way to soft here. I remember at level 9 really struggling against blues, even with a bunch of banded armor and a fay mart weapon like mino axes.

Here the same fights are trivial in tattered armor and tarnished weapons. Honestly it feels better this way - that you can keep up with mobs a little longer just in the things you scrounge/craft, but I don't think it is classic.

[Duik]

Low level mobs are way to soft here. I remember at level 9 really struggling against blues, even with a bunch of banded armor and a fay mart weapon like mino axes.

Here the same fights are trivial in tattered armor and tarnished weapons. Honestly it feels better this way - that you can keep up with mobs a little longer just in the things you scrounge/craft, but I don't think it is classic.

I love games that allow crafting to be useful but not top tier.

Also faymart is top tier. Thank you for the lulz.

[Ciderpress]

maybe you just a shitty caster.

eat shit retard

/rant /flame

[Goregasmic]

You might just be unlucky. Gate collapses are quite rare for me. I've only had a few on my Shaman. Unless the new patch changed something.

I'd say its about 2% on p99. It's not common but not excessively rare either.

I used to color slant into gate when shit hit the fan but I died once do to a collapsed gate recently so depending on the situation I'll color slant into AE mez into gate now since I almost always have AE mez loaded anyway.

[Reiwa]

You don't notice when gate doesn't collapse.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You don't notice when gate doesn't collapse.

Ranger Gate never collapses. You always go back to bind point.

[Naethyn]

When I traveled to spain and I met the guys I used to play with on live the first thing brought up was my wizard deep in dalnir evacuating the group only to find everyone but myself transported.

[Goregasmic]

When I traveled to spain and I met the guys I used to play with on live the first thing brought up was my wizard deep in dalnir evacuating the group only to find everyone but myself transported.

You guys got groups?

It was so hit on miss on my wizard I just quadded 48 to 60.

without jboots :cool:

[Duik]

I googled "Rangergate", it is not what I tought it was.
Very little shenanigans or nefarious activity.

And 30 seconds later I was in the lesser faydark.
Also, my gate never collapses.

[Naethyn]

You guys got groups?

It was so hit on miss on my wizard I just quadded 48 to 60.

without jboots :cool:

Ya interestingly enough I met two paladins duo'ing at paw and I paid them to let me join their group because I didn't have snare yet and then we made friends. One of them had a deepwater helm so it was way op.

[Duik]

You guys got groups?

It was so hit on miss on my wizard I just quadded 48 to 60.

without jboots :cool:

I almost exclusively grouped with a static 6 man on my wizard. I once tried quadding (i think it was tizmaks) for a lark and got my arse handed to me. I didnt seperate casters/noncasters, didnt circle around them to groupem up.
It was hilarious.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I googled "Rangergate", it is not what I tought it was.
Very little shenanigans or nefarious activity.

And 30 seconds later I was in the lesser faydark.
Also, my gate never collapses.

Alt+tab is one of the classic hotkey combos for Ranger Gate.

[wuanahto]

hybrids not having mana until level 9

[wuanahto]

sol ro temple's "A Torch" not dropping off goblins in everfrost

[Wakanda]

There's so many things that have been lost to time. It's really frustrating to have people tell me I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about etc. For instance, when I first started playing on P99, I was so confused that the Bronze armor looked like Golden Efreeti armor because I remember it disctinctly looking orange colored. Similarly with Ravenscale being nearly jet black, whereas Ravenscale on P99 looks more like regular blackened iron.

I made threads about this, and had people gas light me that I'm just misremembering or that it always looked this way but our graphics cards sucked back in the day etc.

And then I go over and play on TLP... and gasps... bronze armor is the same vivid orange I always remembered it being and Ravenscale is suddenly borderline jet black with very little visible detail. Just as I remembered.

We all know Charm ain't classic either, but also...

Rogues could never backstab from the front. When I point this out, people use duels as an example where this is possible. I totally remember backstabbing people from the front. As far as I'm concerned I actually invented this on my server and I actually don't remember if anyone I ever dueled even figured out how to do it because I would regularly beat higher level Rogues with better gear by doing this.

But that's not what I'm talking about. I never met anyone who was able to backstab mobs from the front trying the exact same technique. I tried an insane amount of times and never got it to work. So did my Rogue friends (several of which actually play here on P99), and we were never able to get it to work despite seeing random troll posts on the forums claiming otherwise.

Is there any evidence of this ever working? And if it did work, then why in the world would SOE add an AA called Chaotic Stab? The ability that allowed Rogues to backstab from the front for reduced damage. No rogue in their right mind would take Chaotic Stab if they could just backstab from the front for full damage anyways. Yet this quickly became a core ability after being added to the game.

Armor was also KING. I remember thinking this was so dumb and BORING as a kid. I wanted BIG STATS and thought serpentine bracers were the best item in the game. And then I tried wearing AC instead of all these huge stat items and suddenly I stopped dying.

Was confusing when I started playing on P99 and items like enamelled breastplate were regularly passed over for the Sol Ro quest items. That was never the case on real EverQuest. I remember it was the meta to see warriors in full crafted armor with the black breastplate because of this. Also remember Tree Weave being a huge deal when it came out in Kunark for that same reason.

A lot of items that were ultra rare on real EverQuest seem to be super common on P99. I remember spending MONTHS getting full woven shadow from the plane of hate despite being the only rogue in the raid and raiding almost daily/nightly. Because it was a fairly rare drop. I had cleric friends who spent years trying to get the ethereal mist stuff. Meanwhile you see an entire set of it drop in a single raid now. I actually never saw the Cleric or Shaman belts that drop in Plane of Fear, but now they seem like one of the most common items in the game?

I remember spending an entire summer break in Lake of Ill Omen killing everything in the Sarnak Fort on my high level monk trying to get a Sarnak Station Earring to drop. I also leveled every single character I had in the Sarnak Fort. And I never once saw the earring drop. TBF I've never seen one drop on P99 either, but I hardly mess with Sarnaks, but people I've talked to make it sound like this is a super common item on P99? Can't confirm or deny whether or not that is true, but I was starting to think they weren't even a real item 20+ years ago.

Treant Fists were also ultra rare (IDK if yall remember when they had a complete heal on them?). I remember the first time I saw Treant fists on P99 Green I was so excited but the person told me they were always super easy to get (I think he's referring to his experiences on P99 Blue because these were borderline impossible to get and I had a friend who quit playing the game after months of camping the alchemist in Beholders Maze only for him to never spawn). I assume the Allakahsam (sp?) site is gone? I was going to link from comments back in the day where people were complaining about this, but I can't find the site at all now.

I also was one of the only high level monks on my server at the time (yes, I mentioned having a friend quit playing his monk because of Treant fists, but by the time my wave of players got to level 50 and started raiding, I was one of the only monks around). I remember having people freak out at how much damage I did because there wasn't really a lot of information on if Monks were good at high levels or not. Even I didn't know my character was going to start punching harder and harder as time progressed.

But I don't remember Monks ever being tanky. And we actually built our characters tankier back then monks do on P99 (I'm talking about classic / pre kunark). Shiverback armor was always considered bad compared to Froglok Crown, Gatorscale Leggings, Azure Sleeves, Treant Fists etc because it was low armor compared to most stuff and "AC IS KING." Yet despite building tanky AF I never felt like a tank and regularly had to use feign death to drop aggro during fights because if I didn't I would die to regular mobs our group pulled. I remember if our tank left the group, our group might actually fall apart and despite the fact that Rangers had the reputation of being paper tanks, asking them to tank because they were slightly better at it than I was as a monk.

Yet on P99 I leveled my first character to 50 with an untwinked Monk wearing mostly cloth armor as my tank. I remember being so confused at how tanky this monk was in Sol B because I lived there on my Monk and definitely couldn't tank the mobs there.

I could probably ramble on and on and maybe I will think of other stuff to ramble about in the future, but another weird thing people don't remember is how people used to camp every thing in the entire game. I remember it was common to be in Neriak 3rd gate and seeing high level players camping the ghouls outside of the necro / sk guild.

I also remember when Rubicite dropped temporarily from Najena and I don't even think I can find any evidence of this. I remember when it happened there was no patch notes about this or anything, and I didn't even believe my real-life friend when he told me this, and then I went there and realized it really did. I camped it until I had a full set of it, but the breastplate never dropped. We were just killing trash mobs to get the regular pieces since we weren't high level enough to kill any bosses / didn't even know the dungeon and were prob too scared to explore, but I always wonder if the breastplate would have dropped if we managed to kill a boss.

Also I see a lot of people on this forum imply that the GMs were super cops and that if you stepped out of line and intentionally trained someone, ninja looted or KS'd then you would get banned. In my experience you could basically get away with murder. If I had a time machine and could travel back to the year 1999 or 2000 or 2001, I doubt I could get banned from EQ even if I tried. I remember people constantly intentionally training, KS'ing, stealing named mobs, making death threats, ninja looting, scamming etc. and the GMs never did anything.

I remember spending days getting a GM to take me seriously about this dude training my group in OT on top of him stealing all of our mobs. I remember when the GM finally got back to me he basically said unless he witnessed it happening there was nothing he could do etc. By this time the dude's not even online anymore, it took me hours to even get a GM response etc. Like I'm sure there was instances where GMs banned people for being bad, but in my experience, the community was almost entirely policed by itself and calling the cops on people was virtually a waste of time. Think that's why flame boards were so popular (notice how modern MMOs dont really have flame boards?).

Also another thing I notice that is distinctly different about P99 compared to my server 25 years ago is that there are a lot of European / UK / Hawaiian players on P99. When I was a kid if I REALLY wanted something (ie. Dyllin Starsine in Highpass Hold), I could set my alarm for like 3:30AM on a week night, and more often than not, if I showed up at those hours, I could get what I was after. On P99, particularly when it was more hopping, this strategy didn't work because it was a true 24/7 community with all the different people from around the world who play it. This isn't a bad thing by any means, but it's something I noticed.

[wuanahto]

rabbit stew coming in stacks of 2

[wuanahto]

or 6

[Duik]

I recall thinking if i didnt have my spellbook in my invent i couldnt cast spells. I dont even know what book it was i had. On many CRs i would not even sit to open spellbook untill i got to my body.

I believe one of my hilarious friends told me that and is still laughing.

I finally did work it out. I was so fucking gullible.

[cd288]

Also I see a lot of people on this forum imply that the GMs were super cops and that if you stepped out of line and intentionally trained someone, ninja looted or KS'd then you would get banned. In my experience you could basically get away with murder. If I had a time machine and could travel back to the year 1999 or 2000 or 2001, I doubt I could get banned from EQ even if I tried. I remember people constantly intentionally training, KS'ing, stealing named mobs, making death threats, ninja looting, scamming etc. and the GMs never did anything.

Yeah dude unfortunately we had to actually see it happening not just take you at your word. But if we saw it happening then yeah we would 100% issue warnings and third warning resulted in a ban. We were able to witness things a lot more frequently than the staff on P99 can because there was a large roster of volunteer guides and hired GMs, so it wasn't uncommon to get someone caught if they were consistently doing things. If they did it once, then yeah you're probably not getting caught and it's not like fraps was a thing. In certain instances (such as high value things like raid targets) we might look at logs. In any case, you're misconstruing what people push back on. People push back on the idea that there was zero enforcement, which there decidedly was not once the PNP came out.

As far as graphics, I wouldn't use TLP as a supporting point as they don't use era accurate stuff. At any rate, graphics are something that you should be able to provide examples of if you care to spend the time (it will probably be a slog, but I assume you could eventually find something on the wayback machine).

Anecdotes about drop rates etc. is harder to prove, but the frequency on P99 is probably pretty easily explained by level of knowledge etc. For instance, on live you didn't have guilds on a weekly Sky rotation clearing all of POS like it was nothing (on most servers at least). You didn't have multiple guilds able to efficiently and easily clear the Planes.

[cd288]

I recall thinking if i didnt have my spellbook in my invent i couldnt cast spells. I dont even know what book it was i had. On many CRs i would not even sit to open spellbook untill i got to my body.

I believe one of my hilarious friends told me that and is still laughing.

I finally did work it out. I was so fucking gullible.

Honestly I would love if this was the reality lol. Make CRs hard for everyone!

[Goregasmic]

Anecdotes about drop rates etc. is harder to prove, but the frequency on P99 is probably pretty easily explained by level of knowledge etc. For instance, on live you didn't have guilds on a weekly Sky rotation clearing all of POS like it was nothing (on most servers at least). You didn't have multiple guilds able to efficiently and easily clear the Planes.

I don't remember the exact timeline but on the rathe the attainable raid bosses/zones were on a big rotation. IIRC some point there was 25+ raid guilds on the trakanon one. This would "dilute" the loot and make it seem more rare than it actually is. There's 500-700 players on green spread into a handful of major guilds. Back then on live it wasn't rare to see 3000+ players on a server and many more guilds. So you'd get to see a raid drop once every couple months sometimes, if it actually dropped.

And yeah, for the "current" content usually only the top 1-3 guilds could manage it if even. I was in a top3 guild and I think we were wiping on vindi post velious.

And he remembers earring of station being rare but not here but I investigated that particular item a couple weeks back and most people agreed it takes several thousand kills to get one on p99. Might have been a lesser known item back then or have less terminally online people going after it. The general knowledge base back on live was terrible.

[Jimjam]

Stuff was rarer on live cos 2 years on p99 is nothing, but on live that was Luclin.

[Goregasmic]

I wanted a light burlap sack/EE bag for an alt 2 weeks ago and I had trouble getting the camps. People farming TBB like its 1999. Magus/hand are often taken too. Everything has been farmed to hell and back on here.

[WarpathEQ]

I wanted a light burlap sack/EE bag for an alt 2 weeks ago and I had trouble getting the camps. People farming TBB like its 1999. Magus/hand are often taken too. Everything has been farmed to hell and back on here.

Yeah LBS rots all the time, just gotta be in zone when it drops and its your!

[cd288]

I don't remember the exact timeline but on the rathe the attainable raid bosses/zones were on a big rotation. IIRC some point there was 25+ raid guilds on the trakanon one. This would "dilute" the loot and make it seem more rare than it actually is. There's 500-700 players on green spread into a handful of major guilds. Back then on live it wasn't rare to see 3000+ players on a server and many more guilds. So you'd get to see a raid drop once every couple months sometimes, if it actually dropped.

And yeah, for the "current" content usually only the top 1-3 guilds could manage it if even. I was in a top3 guild and I think we were wiping on vindi post velious.

And he remembers earring of station being rare but not here but I investigated that particular item a couple weeks back and most people agreed it takes several thousand kills to get one on p99. Might have been a lesser known item back then or have less terminally online people going after it. The general knowledge base back on live was terrible.

Yeah I'm not saying I think drop rates here are 100% classic. There's certainly a chance he's right.

But there's such an easy explanation for anecdotal evidence like "I don't remember seeing this item on people that much on live" that it's not really a relevant discussion.

Your point about more players per server is a good one that I didn't think about. Combine that with only a top guild or two being able to do the higher raid content and items are going to seem even more rare since the percent of people you see them on is way lower.

[druidbob]

I swear I remember rolling a gnome SK before Luclin launched.

[wuanahto]

I swear I remember rolling a gnome SK before Luclin launched.

the prepatch?

[SamwiseRed]

Low level mobs are way to soft here. I remember at level 9 really struggling against blues, even with a bunch of banded armor and a fay mart weapon like mino axes.

Here the same fights are trivial in tattered armor and tarnished weapons. Honestly it feels better this way - that you can keep up with mobs a little longer just in the things you scrounge/craft, but I don't think it is classic.

I think it's the opposite. Ac actually worked on live

[druidbob]

the prepatch?

Yeah I guess I'm just remembering there being a larger gap between the gnome sk / halfling Ranger update and the launch of Luclin. It really is a shame those won't be added to p99, since technically it was the last content update of velious.

[Ciderpress]

I recall thinking if i didnt have my spellbook in my invent i couldnt cast spells. I dont even know what book it was i had. On many CRs i would not even sit to open spellbook untill i got to my body.

I believe one of my hilarious friends told me that and is still laughing.

I finally did work it out. I was so fucking gullible.

That's how it worked in ultima online- you had to physically have your spellbook on you to cast the spells inscribed in it. But you could also buy\trade full spellbooks, so somebody else could put in the work of filling one up with every spell and then sell them. They were one of the few items that stayed with you if you died, so you couldn't kill somebody and loot their spellbook, but you could buy it from them. God I miss that game.

But there also weren't classes, just a bunch of skills and a max number of skill points you could have. I'd love an EQ-UO hybrid emu server so much, where it's EQ engine and zones with a pure skill based system.

[cd288]

I think it's the opposite. Ac actually worked on live

I'd imagine mob AC doesn't work classicly either so maybe that's why he feels the mob's are softer?

[Goregasmic]

I'd imagine mob AC doesn't work classicly either so maybe that's why he feels the mob's are softer?

I could be wrong here but from what I understand it is the same mechanic but it seems they didn't have the stats for all mobs so they had to tune that. How AC works is well documented on eqemu and it was tested and it works the same here.

[cd288]

I could be wrong here but from what I understand it is the same mechanic but it seems they didn't have the stats for all mobs so they had to tune that. How AC works is well documented on eqemu and it was tested and it works the same here.

I thought it's a well known thing that the way AC works on the client is not the same as it did in classic era on live?

[Wakanda]

Another thing I don't see mentioned is that fast weapons = aggro. This doesn't seem to be the case on P99? I remember having an insanely hard time trying to hold aggro in original EverQuest, and then someone gave me a Bladed Thulian Claw and I didn't even haver to taunt to get aggro on my Warrior. (Think Langseax / Silvery War Axe) was popular for this reason?

But also I remember SKs back in the day used disease cloud to hold aggro. On P99 they use clinging darkness (I've only played an SK to level 30 on P99). This is definitely not classic, albeit I can admit Clinging Darkness is a more fun spell to spam due to the snare effect, but I think it also takes quite a bit of mana? I feel like I was having mana issues because of this, but we definitely used Disease Cloud instead back in the day.

I also seem to recall that it was common to put disease cloud on yourself because as long as it was active, you couldn't get rabies from mobs, which was perceived as being much worse? But I think I tried this on P99 and I still got rabies ;)

[Goregasmic]

I thought it's a well known thing that the way AC works on the client is not the same as it did in classic era on live?

What makes it different?

[Reiwa]

I also seem to recall that it was common to put disease cloud on yourself because as long as it was active, you couldn't get rabies from mobs, which was perceived as being much worse? But I think I tried this on P99 and I still got rabies ;)

I wish I remembered what slots do for stacking. (https://lucy.alkabor.com/stacking_1007.html)

[cd288]

Another thing I don't see mentioned is that fast weapons = aggro. This doesn't seem to be the case on P99? I remember having an insanely hard time trying to hold aggro in original EverQuest, and then someone gave me a Bladed Thulian Claw and I didn't even haver to taunt to get aggro on my Warrior. (Think Langseax / Silvery War Axe) was popular for this reason?

But also I remember SKs back in the day used disease cloud to hold aggro. On P99 they use clinging darkness (I've only played an SK to level 30 on P99). This is definitely not classic, albeit I can admit Clinging Darkness is a more fun spell to spam due to the snare effect, but I think it also takes quite a bit of mana? I feel like I was having mana issues because of this, but we definitely used Disease Cloud instead back in the day.

I also seem to recall that it was common to put disease cloud on yourself because as long as it was active, you couldn't get rabies from mobs, which was perceived as being much worse? But I think I tried this on P99 and I still got rabies ;)

Disease Cloud used to be the way on P99 for quite awhile and then evidence was found that it was generating a ton of aggro versus what it did in Classic. I'm wondering if maybe the EQ devs later upped the aggro post-Velious. That would account for how the aggro was originally so high here, and also for your memories of at one time using it for snap aggro on live.

As far as weapon damage vs. aggro, maybe people play differently on P99? Not sure. Just speculating, but maybe people casting slow, stuns, and other things with greater frequency than they probably did on Live makes it harder to hold aggro with just weapon ratio? Or it could be something like disease cloud where aggro generation is unclassic and we need to come up with evidence to show it.

[cd288]

What makes it different?

Not sure but I thought I remember there being posts about it not having as much of an impact on P99 as it did on live. I'd have to go digging.

[Goregasmic]

Another thing I don't see mentioned is that fast weapons = aggro. This doesn't seem to be the case on P99? I remember having an insanely hard time trying to hold aggro in original EverQuest, and then someone gave me a Bladed Thulian Claw and I didn't even haver to taunt to get aggro on my Warrior. (Think Langseax / Silvery War Axe) was popular for this reason?

Aggro is weapdmg + dmgbonus

Outside of procs, 1handers with solid ratios will do good.

0.25 ratio is pretty good in classic, this checks out. The weapons you listed are pretty much all suggested on the p99 pre planar gear list for warriors. Sounds like a case of just getting a good weap.

[Danth]

AC is one area where P99 is deliberately not classic. Classic-through-Velious used a hardcap system where worn AC above the hardcap did nothing at all. P99 insofar as I know, no longer uses stock EQ-emu code for AC; P99 forked off EQ-EMU awhile back. P99's current AC system, however it works, stems from the 2015-era revamp. One of the admins, I think Rogean, said P99 has both a softcap system with diminished returns AND shield AC granting full benefit overcap, both of which are unclassic Planes of Power-era features but left in as compensation for other unclassic things like many mobs being overtuned.



Spell aggro seems like a mess across the board at present on P99, since that spellaggro patch awhile back.

[Goregasmic]

AC is one area where P99 is deliberately not classic. Classic-through-Velious used a hardcap system where worn AC above the hardcap did nothing at all. P99 insofar as I know, no longer uses stock EQ-emu code for AC; P99 forked off EQ-EMU awhile back. P99's current AC system, however it works, stems from the 2015-era revamp. One of the admins, I think Rogean, said P99 has both a softcap system with diminished returns AND shield AC granting full benefit overcap, both of which are unclassic Planes of Power-era features but left in as compensation for other unclassic things like many mobs being overtuned.



Spell aggro seems like a mess across the board at present on P99, since that spellaggro patch awhile back.

Ah yeah. I think how AC works remained the same but they definitely toyed with how the caps work. Pre-raid the soft caps are mostly useless since AC reduces mob damage to the minimum long before you reach those caps though, which has created a lot of confusion.

... but since the caps here a higher and high enough most people won't reach them, I don't really understand why some feel AC mattered more on live and here it doesn't do much.

[wuanahto]

i do not remember bat wings being sold by vendors until later xpacs

[Goregasmic]

i do not remember bat wings being sold by vendors until later xpacs

That caught me off guard too. Not sure if I just didn't know.

[loramin]

i do not remember bat wings being sold by vendors until later xpacs

This sounded correct to me, but I used Dolalin's EQ Archives (https://search.eqarchives.org/), and found that, at least by December 2000, they were vendor-purchasable:

Do a) batwing crunchies until trivial b) fish fillets until trivial c) fish rolls until trivial. batwing,crunchies = batwing + frosting fish fillets = fish + jug of sauces fish rolls = fish + batwing All of,around Freeport (batwings - Magic guild 2nd floor, fish - shop on the docks, sauces + frosting - vendor,crunchies = batwing + frosting fish fillets = fish + jug of sauces fish rolls = fish + batwing

Maybe Kunark introduced them?

[wuanahto]

Maybe Kunark introduced them?

sounds legit, now that i think about it i dont know if there are batwings on kunark for all the iksar shaman

[jolanar]

rabbit stew coming in stacks of 2

Not something I ever would have remembered, but as soon as you said it I was like yup that was definitely a thing.

[Goregasmic]

sounds legit, now that i think about it i dont know if there are batwings on kunark for all the iksar shaman

Yeah there are TWO cabilis vendors (WW/FOB) and they're the only ones selling them in kunark. There's also one guy in KD and he's the only one in velious. There's a bunch of old world vendors though, mainly around freeport.

[Duik]

Batwings were suggested as sold on newbie vendors close to gateways, think qeynos newb yard and freport newb gates.
Vendor dive there and my druid got many batwings. Was just before kunark was releasing though by the time i was skilled enuf to need them. Fishrolls were a large meal so it was worth the time spent on it.
Gfay was harder cuz multiple lifts and vendor choice.

[Reiwa]

rabbit stew coming in stacks of 2

That's how many coneys a brace is. Two coneys!

[wuanahto]

the desert zones making you consume x2 the water

[tunne]

Mendo needs to drink some water to offset the dehydration that's coming soon

[Duik]

"Mendo" has already forgotten about you.

[Duik]

the desert zones making you consume x2 the water

I always thought this was true. I spent ages in the teens at oasis/nro/sro.

[tunne]

do you think it made you strong?

[Duik]

do you think it made you strong?

Your questions are either 7 behind the conversation or you randomize your responses as a bot would do.

Maybe the answer is boxing gloves, a seedy bar and an ad-hoc boxing ring.

Here's a snippet of a song for ya.

Hear my words and they might teach you.

Drink my drink and it may hydrate you.

Sound Of Violence.

[Duik]

Orcs had epic weilding Enchanters.

Evidence below...

https://imgur.com/IUzEieq.jpeg

[tunne]

My God is pure and chaste and he requires from me to be as such. I cannot say the same about you.

[tunne]

Don't quote scripture in a God-less place.

[Duik]

Hey dim wit.
Only the feeble of mind require a sky daddy to give succor to their insignificant lives.

[Reiwa]

Don't quote scripture in a God-less place.

https://media.tenor.com/kEpuNfoNuRsAAAAM/cartman-south-park.gif

[Reiwa]

Hey dim wit.
Only the feeble of mind require a sky daddy to give succor to their insignificant lives.

Fools should be allowed to be fools. It's not up to me to decide.

[cd288]

the desert zones making you consume x2 the water

Yeah pretty sure this was the case as well.

Also, isn't the sky on P99 different from what it was on classic?

[Ciderpress]

Yes the original sky graphics sadly are just absent from the client p99 uses, though I remember a few years ago they did roll out a patch to tint it to a more classic color pallette as the sun rises\sets.

I miss those rolling clouds :(

[Ciderpress]

I miss the original boat models too. Not complaining though, staff works with what they have and I'm grateful for it.

[Ciderpress]

Meaning the vanilla boats that is- the kunark and velious boats are correct here.

[cd288]

Wonder if anyone could ever remake the sky texture and get it added if they cared to do the artwork and coding for the staff.

I can't even recall what the old vanilla boats looked like. I remember there being a downstairs interior that doesn't exist on P99, but I can't remember what the actual exterior model looked like compared to the ones on P99.

[Ciderpress]

Original boat and original sky graphics in one image:

https://i.imgur.com/wOBvCcK.jpeg

[Ciderpress]

Yeah there was a downstairs bar\wine cellar type thing on the boat, which I think put you lower than the surrounding water level but you weren't considered underwater if you went down there. No idea how that was coded.

Could be wrong on that I'm not sure- it might have been right at the water level not actually under it.

[Ekco]

it works in the trilogy client, idk if that project is still being worked on though and even if it is still going to be years to catch up to the titanium client work to actually run a server i imagine

[Ciderpress]

Yeah no idea what happened to that "EQclassic" project that was using the trilogy client. Personally I'm content with the happy balance p99 offers. Even if we had the exact right client for the era, there's no way to emulate player behavior from that era. I'm glad to have what we have.

[Ekco]

dumpster fire last i checked, and always was.