Will there ever be a server between P99 and Quarm?

[Tobius]

I like classic best. I don't want the moon and pok books.

I don't like ui and mechanic changes making things easier.

However I don't like rare drops on top of rare spawns on top of socking and batphones and fruitless races at anti social hours.

Quarm fixed the latter but fucked up the former and it's going post velious eventually.

Do you think p99 peeps or other people will ever make a server that's equally hard but less time sinky and anti social?

I'm not waking my wife with batphones or risking getting fired from my job for being sleepy and dumb.

That'd be the dream. The time sinks only ever existed to keep people subbed and would be bypassed by server progression. For a free to play time locked they don't make sense.

[kjs86z2]

no

[Tann]

I'm not waking my wife with batphones or risking getting fired from my job for being sleepy and dumb..

It's not the game that causes the batphones, its the players. Once they collectively started to realize just how far into the depths of depravity they'd go for pixels, it opened pandora's box and became the new normal. There ain't no going back, any game that can be socked, will be socked.

We've got a spectrum of Everquest going for us now, gotta choose your own adventure. I know there are countless other servers but these are the main sections of this autism wheel:


Classic no-life mode (p99) - "casual guild recruiting: raid 5 hours a day, every day, quake response required"
TLP cashgrab mode (daddy Daybreak) - "I love EQ but I'm not a pirate, no warez for me"
Participation Trophy mode (Quarm) - "have a pulse? did you log in? here's your epic"
ARPG cocaine mode (THJ) - "Cease and Desist pending"

[WarpathEQ]

Most likely best case for your vision coming to life is that Daybreak goes after Quarm for being too closely in competition (server going into additional expensions, and with QoL changes beyond velious getting closer to competing with their proprietary paid TLP servers). If daybreak pursues project Quarm then it could force them to pull back to something closer to P99 that is looked at as more of an aged version of EQ without threat of competition against the current paid direct landscape. In that case they would likely focus on stripping out the additional expansions and QoL changes but leaving in the instanced EZ mode to avoid daybreak crosshairs but still differenciate the project from P99.

[Ciderpress]

The only alternative to socking is instancing. P99 already has a welfare system via the draft, which I think is already a happy medium.

[Tobius]

The only alternative to socking is instancing. P99 already has a welfare system via the draft, which I think is already a happy medium.


Can you tell me more about this draft system?

[Tobius]

Most likely best case for your vision coming to life is that Daybreak goes after Quarm for being too closely in competition (server going into additional expensions, and with QoL changes beyond velious getting closer to competing with their proprietary paid TLP servers). If daybreak pursues project Quarm then it could force them to pull back to something closer to P99 that is looked at as more of an aged version of EQ without threat of competition against the current paid direct landscape. In that case they would likely focus on stripping out the additional expansions and QoL changes but leaving in the instanced EZ mode to avoid daybreak crosshairs but still differenciate the project from P99.

Yeah that'd be cool I like non instanced dungeons but instanced raids perhaps a weekly or monthly lock out with one extra non instanced one still for the try hards would be cool. Maybe make the instanced drops rates worse or something.

You don't allow other groups in planes at same time so it's pointless to not just instance them anyway.

[WarpathEQ]

Can you tell me more about this draft system?

Every other month all the raid mobs are locked, eligible guilds draft which mobs they get to kill (traditional snake draft). They get the entire week to kill the mobs uncontested. If the mobs aren't all dead by week's end the guild that drafted the mob has to run an open raid and random off the loot.

[Tobius]

Every other month all the raid mobs are locked, eligible guilds draft which mobs they get to kill (traditional snake draft). They get the entire week to kill the mobs uncontested. If the mobs aren't all dead by week's end the guild that drafted the mob has to run an open raid and random off the loot.

That's cool that wasn't around in my day.

What happens if people vote for the same mob? Is there like ranked choice or lottery?

[cd288]

P99 exactly as it is, but with AAs added to make certain classes more useful, and PoP raids added (but scaled down as needed to account for people being in Velious gear, and no PoK) would be quite possibly the best EQ server ever IMO

[wuanahto]

That'd be the dream. The time sinks only ever existed to keep people subbed and would be bypassed by server progression. For a free to play time locked they don't make sense.

You might think you want those items, but you dont. Once you get them thats the end of it, make another alt and do it again. the rarity or having to work for it makes them have value to you.

You can get those things and more on Quarm but you dont want to go there because once you get it you will realize how empty it is to have it there because it has little value.

You dont want the medium, you just dont know that you dont want to do the grind on a server that has meaning to you.

My 10 or so days on THJ I was farming PoHate/Fear by myself and walked out with enough gems and other crap to buy my epics. didnt feel right.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This is a museum not some floozy on the dance floor saying "Play me."

For that you have to play the live tlp's.

[adonislive]

came for the museum. found too many headstones facing east. how do we resurrect the cemetary

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

This notion that people who batphone are pushing things too far is why this country elected Trump.

I happen to enjoy being woke.

[Videri]

That's cool that wasn't around in my day.

What happens if people vote for the same mob? Is there like ranked choice or lottery?

The eligible guilds /random for pick order in a series of rounds. Each guild usually ends up with a list of mobs of comparable value.

To be eligible, you have to kill a Vindi. That's pretty much it.

[Bardp1999]

I just wish they would abandon museum mode and start making "classic in spirit" changes to P99. There is a Ultima Online private server called UO Outlands and the Devs are so fucking good over there. They bust out new patches and new content to rebalance shit in a "classic to UO" type of way while still very much modernizing the game.

"Classic Everquest" did not have guilds with literally hundreds of bots. Every guild has COTH mages parked in all raid zones, entire armies of clerics and rogues, and wizards to port to the planes. And when I say hundreds that not an exaggeration.

[Tann]

prob is that everyone's idea of "classic in spirit" differs, just take a look at whatever the mighty duck fuck Quarm is.. one day that server will randomly have 1000 year old elfkin maidens who look like the Tarutaru from FFXI as a playable race.

[Ennewi]

A lot of the "as originally intended" is known though and, even when not, has already been changed (OOT boat direction).

Move xp bonus from halflings to humans. Craftable instruments. Unkempt druid alternative to Surefall, complete with different, previously unused rings. Sol Dungeon C. A functioning casino to high keep. A smoke shop to Rivervale and smoking items in the Halas shop. Miragul's Highway accessible to classes with picklock skill. Bard NPCs use songs, including selos indoors. List goes on.

Forget who, but recently someone has been uploading progress on a program that makes certain aspects of development possible/easier, such as building out whole zones, but IDK how feasible that would be, on top of what already needs work.

[Skyking]

Forget who, but recently someone has been uploading progress on a program that makes certain aspects of development possible/easier, such as building out whole zones, but IDK how feasible that would be, on top of what already needs work.

that sounds super cool, if you remember the name of if someone else knows please post it, ai didn't know and suggested the old eqemu tools

[evilwizard]

prob is that everyone's idea of "classic in spirit" differs, just take a look at whatever the mighty duck fuck Quarm is.. one day that server will randomly have 1000 year old elfkin maidens who look like the Tarutaru from FFXI as a playable race.


legit curious -- why does everyone hate on quarm so much?

i don't play there and don't plan on it, nor do i really even know what it is. looked it up on eqemu just now and it says 750ish average players but the "gm" of the server is secrets.. yikes

[kjs86z2]

but the "gm" of the server is secrets.. yikes

why whats wrong with that?

[evilwizard]

why whats wrong with that?

he has abandoned other projects in the past. i spent a bunch of time on their pvp server just for it to get shut down. and pretty sure he spawned gear for his friends etc

wasn't he a guide here and got banned as well? lol

[Tann]

legit curious -- why does everyone hate on quarm so much?

I don't hate it, just not my cup of tea, mad respect to any of these devs putting these servers up.

Using the term incredibly loosely here but.. it is, or maybe just was, marketed as a classic server going all the way up to PoP. The former couldn't be further from the truth and it strays further from McQuaid's light with each update. It makes my giblets feel funny, and not in a good way.

[Ennewi]

that sounds super cool, if you remember the name of if someone else knows please post it, ai didn't know and suggested the old eqemu tools

https://www.reddit.com/r/project1999/comments/1hge07q/creating_everquest_custom_zones_with_eq_sage/