AI used for mobs

[3d_glasses]

So when will AI be used for mobs and NPCs in games like EQ P99, and how cool, challenging, wild, bizarre, etc. will that be?

[Trexller]

probably next year

or sooner if someone dumps $$ into it

but AAA game studios have their tentacles in everything and know that if they make one game too good then everything else they paid to develop will suffer so every game ends up being the same glittery garbage that they have produced every year since 2010

[shovelquest]

I think we're going to have to wait a bit right now video games are trying to figure out how to make people more open minded and body positive.

[cd288]

I think we're going to have to wait a bit right now video games are trying to figure out how to make people more open minded and body positive.

Can't you ever just keep things to discussing EQ

[Trexller]

Can't you ever just keep things to discussing EQ

hard to do when every single second of media is designed to steer your thoughts and reprogram your mind

you either subconsciously accept and become a mindless tech zombie always parroting the latest narrative or you develop an automatic resistance reflex hyper vigilant for the next philosophical attack

[Smoofers]

hard to do when every single second of media is designed to steer your thoughts and reprogram your mind

you either subconsciously accept and become a mindless tech zombie always parroting the latest narrative or you develop an automatic resistance reflex hyper vigilant for the next philosophical attack

Or you consciously recognize it for what it is and filter appropriately. Most people can't do this.

[Trexller]

Or you consciously recognize it for what it is and filter appropriately. Most people can't do this.

maybe you can? Idk it seems like this sort of subliminal messaging is cancerous and that it infects and then grows insidiously anywhere it can latch onto

it wasn't so bad back in the day when screens didn't dominate our lives, but these days even the app you use to clock in for work is designed by or with assistance from behavioral psychiatrists to modify your actions through social engineering

[arvidez]

Or you consciously recognize it for what it is and filter appropriately. Most people can't do this.

thank you sire. may i have another?

[CrazyPro]

So when will AI be used for mobs and NPCs in games like EQ P99, and how cool, challenging, wild, bizarre, etc. will that be?

Never for a game like EQ. I can think of a plethora of ways which you could exploit this to get phat lewtz.

[Trexller]

Never for a game like EQ. I can think of a plethora of ways which you could exploit this to get phat lewtz.

I think they meant AI powered mobs and zones

so that it's never the same zone twice, AI mobs can out-think you. AI quest NPCs can generate a different quest for every user. The whole world is dynamic and impossible to wikify

It's literally The Matrix with elves

[Ekco]

it's totally possible right now and less dumb than VR or something but people aren't doing it.

to get around the locally running a AI model to generate all that shit problem you put a TPU in your 2nd PciE slot thats dedicated to the ai work
https://i.imgur.com/o1BB2WR.png

was listening to a podcast last night talk about these things are apparently it's google abandonware but people on github are working on it and writing drivers n shit to keep it going because its insanely more efficient at AI workloads than a GPU apparently

[shovelquest]

Can't you ever just keep things to discussing EQ

I just spit facts though. You will not see AI in video games for the reasons stated.

They would rather shun AI than embrace it. read any video game developers talking about it.

The question was about when AI in video games: answer not for a long time because priorities.

What do you want, "probably soon because I think magic fairy's are going to decide to do it!"

I am just being honest.

Ive posted about wanting AI in EQ like 90 times on these boards nobody replied about it once without calling me a fascist.

[shovelquest]

in an earlier thread I mentioned that the Nemesis system in the Shadows of Mordor game is patented, the system where the NPCs (ai) keep track of what you are doing and then respond to it when you encounter them later, so it feels like they are alive: The Nemesis system they call it.

And was wondering because they never leveraged that system, even though they patened it (assholes) I wondered if they were just waiting until AI and they will sue anyone who has NPCs in games remember what you're doing with AI.

[3d_glasses]

I think they meant AI powered mobs and zones

so that it's never the same zone twice, AI mobs can out-think you. AI quest NPCs can generate a different quest for every user. The whole world is dynamic and impossible to wikify

It's literally The Matrix with elves

Yea this is what I'm thinking exactly. I see a game being really, really wild and fun with this...who knows

[3d_glasses]

I think they meant AI powered mobs and zones

so that it's never the same zone twice, AI mobs can out-think you. AI quest NPCs can generate a different quest for every user. The whole world is dynamic and impossible to wikify

It's literally The Matrix with elves

It would mean that you could also try and talk your way out of some situations depending on the language you spoke, the mob, items they might want...its just a wild thing to imagine what the AI could end up doing

[shovelquest]

Yea this is what I'm thinking exactly. I see a game being really, really wild and fun with this...who knows

It is inevitable. We will see some amazing games that dive into this sooner or later.

I think Ekco might know the current state of running a mass LLM on an Xbox though.

Imagine Red Dead Redemption, but with AI, would be a living world!

They'd have their own politics and elections and shit I swear to god, imagine that!

Too bad we have to wait 10 years for GTA 7 - maybe they will be the first to do it. They've got the dick size large enough to shake up the industry with something like that.

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[Trexller]

The question was about when AI in video games: answer not for a long time because priorities.

AAA game studios will lose their ass to the first indie company that makes a real AI powered game, and that could collapse the entire gaming industry.

it will be such a groundbreaking and dynamic experience that nobody will ever need to buy another game ever again.

Everytime you log into the game it'll be different, not only that it doesn't even have to be the same genre or category or anything specific, it doesn't need teams of humans writing code for development or play-testers or shareholders or any real way to make money off of it

the concept of game mechanics doesn't matter to AI

You could sit in freeport and play a simple game like /gems with bar patrons who have real time AI conversations with you

then you roam the commonlands RPG style fighting monsters and collecting quest items which you deliver to rivervale for your quest rewards

then you travel through highpass first person shooter style, running and gunning with an Elf machine gun like playing Doom

Once you arrive in the karanas you could hop on a griffon for a grand theft auto style romp around the plains and steal from the farmers, pick up gypsy girls and try to avoid getting caught by the guards

having evaded the guards long enough, you and your gypsy girl make it to qeynos hills only to be overwhelmed by gnolls and now you have to go fight through the blackburrow dungeon with cell-shaded borderlands graphics to save your princess only to find that she was sold to the ice dragon queen Lady Vox that you have to go hit with a MOP Bunker Buster deep into her ice lair

[Trexller]

now I wanna play that game so damn bad

[shovelquest]

Soon, a dead game will be the same as a dead star system :(

[Rygar]

AI powered NPCs would just be too powerful, raid targets would literally never get dropped. Mob would just target the clerics or people outside the CHeal chain. You think you want it, but you wouldn't really.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

hard to do when every single second of media is designed to steer your thoughts and reprogram your mind

you either subconsciously accept and become a mindless tech zombie always parroting the latest narrative or you develop an automatic resistance reflex hyper vigilant for the next philosophical attack

Or, you realize life is great and all these fears are typical of all mass hysterias, like when people are convinced a volcano is angry, or a particular tree spoke to an Elder and said to move.

The key to the asteroid belt is to not orbit within it.

[WarpathEQ]

We will see a lot more use of AI in the creation of games i.e. the environment, modeling, functions far before we see the actual NPCs in the game powered by AI.

In fact I predict we will see AI powered NPCs in the real world before we see them in the gaming world. If you're going to invest the time, energy, and money making full autonomous interactive NPCs there is a lot more business upside deploying them in real life than virtually. At that point incorporating them in gaming will be fairly trivial.

In terms of interacting/competing with AI in the gaming space I see it as being mostly focused on more binary or 2D type of gaming. Think Alpha Go, chess, checkers, basic card games. Things where the difficulty or competitive is driven by AI but not in a humanoid or character form.

[Trexller]

AI powered NPCs would just be too powerful, raid targets would literally never get dropped. Mob would just target the clerics or people outside the CHeal chain. You think you want it, but you wouldn't really.

raid boss is too smart it kills the clerics

so we'll go negotiate and treat with another raid boss to come assist us on the first raid boss

[shovelquest]

you know, with the amount of AI art in The Hero's Journy... Makes me wonder if they wil be the guys to make a fully living AI npc MMO.

[shovelquest]

so we'll go negotiate and treat with another raid boss to come assist us on the first raid boss

:D

[Lune]

It'll just end up being like this:

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[wuanahto]

It will learn that the best move is to not play and just stop spawning and then an unkillable NPC that you can hail for gear will spawn

[Trexller]

It will learn that the best move is to not play and just stop spawning and then an unkillable NPC that you can hail for gear will spawn

Isn't that what they do on P99? All raid bosses are trivialized so they show up at spawn time and press buttons for 20 min then distribute loot

The raid mobs are guaranteed kills so it's just a dice roll on what drops

Couldn't we design an AI that makes dynamic worlds across game genres so you never know what you are going to be playing? RPG or shooter or sandbox quest or choose your fate adventure? all in 1 game

[atomicpaul]

AI powered NPCs would just be too powerful, raid targets would literally never get dropped. Mob would just target the clerics or people outside the CHeal chain. You think you want it, but you wouldn't really.i mean that would admittedly be frustrating in the moment but it seems like adapting strats would be the inevitable result and possibly kinda the next natural step in defeating the computer at the game.

nonwithstanding the idea that everything is wargames to a proper ai, but i'm just another shithead posting on the internet and don't fancy myself some kinda general. i don't buy the hype that ai is an apocalypse nor is it a panacea, but i also don't utilize it or rely on it for anything. it only reacts to that which it is fed, right? we can talk about who feeds it what, but human experience suggests it will be fed everything, ever.

how do we know it isn't our next, natural step in development?

(i realize i've mocked the concept of roko's basilisk on these forums but i was mainly just giving nerds shit for frightening themselves with hypotheticals)

[Ekco]

Makes me wonder if they wil be the guys to make a fully living AI npc MMO.

the first *real* one is gonna be some ascii graphics shit like dwarf fortress where it's generating basically everything from scratch

or be something like that crazy fractal math bullshit that looks intelligent using ascii graphics

https://i.imgur.com/PfkMH1A.giff


whatever the actual first one is isn't gonna be fun to play for most people

[shovelquest]

Or, you realize life is great and all these fears are typical of all mass hysterias, like when people are convinced a volcano is angry, or a particular tree spoke to an Elder and said to move.

The key to the asteroid belt is to not orbit within it.

Who cares about the volcano, I am just trying to enjoy harry potter in peace.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I say:

"Don't go chasing asteroid belts / Stay near the inner planets or gas giants you're used to"

Lot of people chasing asteroid belts these days, feel me?