FTE is for nerds

[oleafz]

Fte is actually such a boring concept. Are we not champions of Norrath. Fte is puts me to sleep. My siggestion: each party involved brings forth a champion to duel to the death. This will decide who claims the loot. It should be a gladiators prize. Not a lame ass logistical race to a mob. Let's put some chest on the hair of this limp dick fte system.

[Trexller]

there isn't any challenge in the raids anymore, so the challenge is just between 2 players?

why not just show up once a week for a GM to /random 1 2 then grats looters cya next week cuz your idea is a coin toss

[druidbob]

/gems. Top score gets to kill the dragon.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

FTE is a meta-game solution to a game design flaw.

In eq2 contested mobs was a FTM situation -- first to manage. Wipes were common. Through the first 5 years or so of eq2, you could dominate a server simply because you could manage the contested fights.

In my last 2 guilds in eq2 we would often let any guild that wanted to try, to try while we watched and gave them a shot. Never lost a mob. You had to know all the details of the fight and how to execute. One mess up can be a wipe.

In eq1 as p99 has reconstructed it, we still have the original flaw of the game: the content is easy until much later expansions.

When content is hard? You can do contested.
When content is easy?

Earthquakes and FTE is one solution. Rotations and mob tiers were another. If you do FTB (first to burn) you end up with SK armies taking down Venril Sather in .05 seconds.

p99 does not rule out sk armies or any other raid tricks that really should count as meta-gaming. FTE is meta-gaming. But so are Earthquakes.

I think voice chat is meta-gaming so ignore me.

[zelld52]

I think voice chat is meta-gaming so ignore me.

Agree 100% on this. Why do I have to be in comms for a raid when the raid was created and mastered back when guild chat were the primary forms of communication.

Didn’t start using Ventrilo until WoW.

[Trexller]

Agree 100% on this. Why do I have to be in comms for a raid when the raid was created and mastered back when guild chat were the primary forms of communication.

nerds like to cosplay as tactical keyboard warriors with a headset on talkin like they coordinating high speed special operators

beta shot caller shit cuz they divorced and AI dun took they job

[Sirban]

Try red lol. No FTE here! Every dragon is paid for in blood and a crippling corpse run

[Duik]

≈30 peeps on red right?

It takes how many to kill a dragon? 10, 15? So 2 or 3 dragons are down concurrently. Give or take.

Raid mob count would be what, 30? More?
So 27 "dragons" are up at any time.

So saying every dragon is up wouldnt be wronger than saying every dragon is payed for in blood.. blah blah.

Glad we cleared that up.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

nerds like to cosplay as tactical keyboard warriors with a headset on talkin like they coordinating high speed special operators

beta shot caller shit cuz they divorced and AI dun took they job

I just lol'd at a RnF post.

Bless you MAGA man. May your guy die in a fire.

[Trexller]

I just lol'd at a RnF post.

Bless you MAGA man. May your guy die in a fire.

which guy? someone has to get sacrificed to the sun god sooner or later

[kjs86z2]

FFA / pvp quakes when

make no CSR VP great again

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

which guy? someone has to get sacrificed to the sun god sooner or later

It's the usual grind.
https://i.imgur.com/r2iSHNx.jpg

[mycoolrausch]

My idea back when i cared was "delayed random fte" ie when a mob is first aggrod, a very short timer starts, say 600ms (less than 1 second), and when the timer ends, of the list of everyone that ended up on the mobs hate list during that timer, one name is chosen at random and given the yellowtext FTE, which must be respected like a real FTE.

That way guilds have to compete on a competitive pace for a mob, running a competitive raceline if its a race etc, and at a competitive logistical level of having an active raid force for that time of engagement to kill it, but the victory isn't determined by who has the fastest ping, who spent 200 hours metagame practicing in a test server for a non-eq mechanic (racing) to win every race by 50ms, or who is just plain scripting.

Detoxx called it the dumbest idea he'd heard in the history of these forums, so I thought i was on the right track.

[Praxcthius]

It is dumb. You’re making a dice roll instead of rewarding actually fte. Hey remind grandma you want your crusts cut off and no generic Mac n cheese. Gotta be Kraft

[Andyman1022]

dumb

[shovelquest]

Why not dps race?

[Trexller]

doesn't the current FTE system exist just to simplify GM's jobs?

it's never gonna change

[shovelquest]

But wouldn't DPS race just determine who was right or wrong every time by just doing it?

[Trexller]

But wouldn't DPS race just determine who was right or wrong every time by just doing it?

let's do that

at the very least, RnF will be spicy again

[WarpathEQ]

So every mob dies in 30 seconds and wizard is the only raid class...sounds like...fun...

[Ekco]

and wizard is the only raid class
as god intended.

[shovelquest]

So every mob dies in 30 seconds and wizard is the only raid class...sounds like...fun...

actually melee is more valbue because with enough of those a wizard wont even get a 2nd spell off.

And yes, everyone in the guild racing through norrath to go beat the shit out of a dragon like a hoard of warriors is totally more fun than 4 guys racing to say I WIN!

[cd288]

I don't mind the FTE concept but do think there should be some level of people from your guild who have to be in zone before you can get FTE. And when I say number of people, like raid force sized number of people. Makes it a bit more of a gamble rather than having a racer in each zone.

[mycoolrausch]

It is dumb. You’re making a dice roll instead of rewarding actually fte. Hey remind grandma you want your crusts cut off and no generic Mac n cheese. Gotta be Kraft

FTE isnt a thing. its something p99 invented. The idea is to create a new invention that is more in the spirit of rewarding raid guilds that track a mob and bring a force to kill it within seconds of it popping. Without the same guild getting it every single time through micro optimizations for non everquest mechanics.

[mycoolrausch]

But none of it matters because blue is dead, partly because of it being a slave to the non EQ mechanic of FTE. Quarm and other servers where people actually have something to do - because the server isnt run by one guy who practiced eqemu racing mechanics 3000x on a test server and lives 20ms from the zone server - are thriving. Wow who knew.

[cd288]

Thought FTE was implemented on live by Luclin, but maybe I'm misremembering

[mycoolrausch]

Thought FTE was implemented on live by Luclin, but maybe I'm misremembering

FTE could only exist on P99 because of the raceline raid rules. Otherwise people would just camp on a mobs spawn with auto attack macros, which is a random. It's a fake thing invented for this server.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

AE dispel and silence/fear could be coded in to trigger zone wide a tic before spawn.

But see, that won't happen. The solutions and make-dos already in place will be called close enough, and if you want to make the game play more worth your short time on this earth, you will be told that is not the goal of the project.

This is why at the very least, since this project is neither going anywhere nor intended to go anywhere
https://i.imgur.com/bjGi11K.jpeg