New Rules for Project1999 - Compliance Mandatory

[Bardp1999]

Greetings Norrath

I am implementing some new player enforced rules for the server. I will be roaming zone to zone looking for non0compliants and writing letters of complaint to offenders.

Rule 1) No kiting of any kind in a dungeon. Bards, im looking at you. You will not snare, you will not dot, it does not matter your group comp or if this is the only viable way you CC monsters. Eat shit and die. Enchanters will be able to abuse mechanics and monopolize cash camps, this is classic.

Rule 2) Complete heal is now banned from any indoor zone. With all the knowledge we have about Everquest, complete heals in a non-raid setting feels a bit dated. Not only does it make Druids and Shamans feel like lesser healers, it also deprives Clerics from utilizing their full healing kit. If you are caught casting CH in a group setting I will be asking that you delete your character, this is a zero tolerance policy.

Rule 3) Every 14 days you must delete a piece of gear from your character. As a server, there is too much loot and we need to stimulate the EC economy. You can not delete the same item twice unless you have exhausted all other deletable items. The economy of Everquest is a main reason people play and we will be taking steps to make sure the economy stays healthy with buying and selling

This is an incomplete list of new player enforced rules. Please check this thread regularly to see what you are allowed or not allowed to do in game. Comply or face stern warnings.

[shovelquest]

No dogs allowed.

Wolform is OFFLIMITS!

[cd288]

Found the Bard who wants to whine because he can't commit zone disruption in a dungeon anymore. Get bent.

[Trexller]

bards should be AFK in the corner playing mana song like brad intended

[Ciderpress]

if you aren't grouped with them, basically everything a bard can do is annoying to other players on some level.

[Bardp1999]

I just got trained in KC and snare kited the 7-8 mobs. Who is heading up the discipline committee so that I can report myself?

[Izenic]

Circus is in town.

[Reiwa]

Should GMs force guilds to follow their own rules?

I know that's an extreme position these days.

It's called Marbury vs Madison irl.

[Wakanda]

bards should be AFK in the corner playing mana song like brad intended

This is actually my classic experience with bards, lmao. I never heard of swarm kiting until P99. I do remember bards like charm or fear kiting in PoN or something though. Only method I remember for them solo'ing.

[Zuranthium]

Bards were DoT kiting during classic, but not a ton of MOBs. Lag and lack of better camera angles made it unfeasible to reliably swarm kite to the extent that people can now. It for sure would have been nerfed if it was happening during classic, they already nerfed Denon's Desperate Dirge during classic because they thought it was too easy for Bards to quad kite with it LOL.

[Duik]

Bards were DoT kiting during classic, but not a ton of MOBs. Lag and lack of better camera angles made it unfeasible to reliably swarm kite to the extent that people can now. It for sure would have been nerfed if it was happening during classic, they already nerfed Denon's Desperate Dirge during classic because they thought it was too easy for Bards to quad kite with it LOL.

This sounds pretty right.

I charmed 1 fought the other while meleeing/ds/slow/dots (yes i sucked at barding) never occured to me to quad or more.
Never heard of anyone else doing it either but as others have mentioned, we all had differing experiences depending on server or even logged on times could make a difference.

Saving yaself from a train by kiting sounds pretty ballzy (to me). It would suck if that was disallowed.
I spose some would manipulate that system though so fucked if i know.

[cd288]

Everyone should really chill out. Obviously the staff isn't punishing people for derailing a train by swarm kiting. It's very clear what the rule is intended to cover, and people nit picking about it are just showing that they're mad that they can't disrupt dungeon zones anymore for their own EXP.

[Ennewi]

Everyone should really chill out. Obviously the staff isn't punishing people for derailing a train by swarm kiting. It's very clear what the rule is intended to cover, and people nit picking about it are just showing that they're mad that they can't disrupt dungeon zones anymore for their own EXP.

Eh, I only ever AE kited in the hole when it was empty and still think it's lame. If GMs can't, won't, or don't want to be bothered with officiating in the game than that's the underlying problem. If the DM at the table is tired of the same problem player, but can't, won't, or doesn't kick them from the campaign, why punish everyone else who still must continue to play out the campaign with that problem player? The same could be said for the raid scene. There's a solution, that's obvious to everyone else at the table who has played by the rules, but the DM wants to remain inclusive even if that means the game is less enjoyable overall.

Granted, it does seem as though CSR had their powers spread out and limited, as a result of past abuses from previous staff members.

[cd288]

If GMs can't, won't, or don't want to be bothered with officiating in the game than that's the underlying problem.

Yeah we should totally blame the volunteer unpaid staff for not wanting to use more of their free time to keep someone from being a dick. That's the real problem here.

In any case, if you're truly being honest about only doing it in a dungeon when there are zero people in there, then what are you worried about? No one will ever find out if it's just you in the zone. I think you're secretly upset because you do it more often than you're admitting.

[Ennewi]

Yeah we should totally blame the volunteer unpaid staff for not wanting to use more of their free time to keep someone from being a dick. That's the real problem here.

Well, it isn't about blame, but an expectation for classic GMing. If there's a role to serve, volunteer or not, and a person does not fulfill that role, it's a problem. I don't actually blame them outright, but suspect their hands are tied, which was alluded to in the previous post. Regardless, the majority of the community has wanted more severe action against egregious rule-breaking and it seemed members of CSR who recently resigned did as well.

In any case, if you're truly being honest about only doing it in a dungeon when there are zero people in there, then what are you worried about? No one will ever find out if it's just you in the zone.

The rule, as written, does not allow for that and encourages players to record/petition it. Are there not enough petty neckbeards on here who would derive enjoyment from that kind of pixel denial, causing someone to be suspended?

I think you're secretly upset because you do it more often than you're admitting.

I've leveled one bard to 60 and another to 57, the latter would be 60 now if AE kiting was the go-to method. You can search the forums and discord for Emeyya/Effemi, checking for posts about trains resulting from AE kites in dungeons. But kind of a waste of time. I play the class for its versatility and am openly upset that the aggro nerf still hasn't been reverted because it added to their CC strength and allowed them to tank, which made grouping more fun. And yet, even still, groups remain the preferred method of XP. The class is least versatile when it's AE kiting, so the appeal isn't there personally, except for PoF practice and to regain XP lost from no rez click.

[Ennewi]

Similar issue with lifetaps and ivandyr's hoop. Why punish all SK/NEC players, when an example could have been made of those who spam clicked en masse? Then, if players still abused the clicky, the item could have been nerfed, leaving the spells untouched and classic.

Players of two classes punished for the actions of a few raider guilds years ago, when instead those raiders or the leaders of them could have been instead, enough to where
it would have left reverberations for as long, if not longer. Maybe it's asking a lot of CSR, but players fucking around and finding out makes EQ feel like the world it was designed to be, not a game on rails where x, y, z is either prohibited or prevented mechanically.

That is the point of contention. It just happened to be bards more recently.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Enchanters will be able to abuse mechanics and monopolize cash camps, this is classic.

Your ideas are sound. Player imposed rules will be the future of this project. Every goddam year I role a Sadre on a TLP and I'm lucky to make it past Kunark. LIVE SUCKS PERIOD.

Sure, you have the boom of a new server! But the game mechanics is nerfed to hell and back, and also, does not care if you bot 1,000 mages.

But not saying NERF ENCHANTER CHARM BACK TO PRE-CHARISMA MEANING DIDDLSQUAT AS A STAT.

Plus, we have one remaining issue on the enchanters. I'll let Lt. Kendrick have the word:
https://i.imgur.com/Ml1QaVD.jpg

[kjs86z2]

enc epic is entirely optional if you have FT8

feshlak staff works just fine

[Praxcthius]

You have people who played live in its inception who were just excited to kill a drybones skeleton basically running the project. Enforcing only the most rudimentary of skills and tactics as if it were divine law because that’s what THEY were only able to do back then. No ability of their own to think outside the box and enhance engagements still with game allowed mechanics. Bards used to swarm pofire ramp mobs to fennins pavilion. Now you’re punished cuz a group of costume wearin soyboys called their hall monitor big brother to make the bad people stop.

[kjs86z2]

25,000 petitions a year

let that sink in

[Duik]

Insulting staff and creators always works.

[Kohedron]

Sounds like a bunch of not classic shit, stfu

[Videri]

OP IS DEFINITELY NOT JOKING AND I AM MAD ABOUT HIS POST THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT A JOKE AND IS TO BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE >:(

[Reiwa]

25,000 petitions a year

let that sink in

That's probably the worst thing I ever saw on this forum.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

enc epic is entirely optional if you have FT8

feshlak staff works just fine

Funny, when the epic quests came out I don't remember the devs saying, "Hello Norrath! Introducing the *entirely optional* epic quest class items!"

They were supposed to be class defining, not class-maligning. Enchaters were called a cc class. They gave us a buff stick.

I decided to go on a race to 60. I was 2nd enchanter to 60 on my server. I snagged a VoG from a trak raid. I was gtg. When I was rounding 59, epic got solved globally, and effect was revealed.

I do not rmember a single top enchanter not being pissed. A haste buff???? "You can get raids up quicker!"

Not my fucking job.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

And before you say but that is your job with clarity that's what the Velious quest leggings are for. Enchanters already get things up fast in any event. Certainly in time for discs to refresh.

[cd288]

You have people who played live in its inception who were just excited to kill a drybones skeleton basically running the project. Enforcing only the most rudimentary of skills and tactics as if it were divine law because that’s what THEY were only able to do back then. No ability of their own to think outside the box and enhance engagements still with game allowed mechanics. Bards used to swarm pofire ramp mobs to fennins pavilion. Now you’re punished cuz a group of costume wearin soyboys called their hall monitor big brother to make the bad people stop.

Insults the staff (falsely) and then cites out of era experiences on a classic server forum. LOL

[Bardp1999]

I am self reporting myself violation of Rule #1

I was in a 3 man in the Hole and we pulled too many mobs. I snared them and proceeded to agro kite so my group did not die. I had 7-10 monsters that I illegally kited. I will be deleting my bard at level 60 so that I am not tempted to break unclassic server rules in the future

[Bardp1999]

I fucked up again, I was complicit in a group where the cleric cast Complete Heal while inside a dungeon and having AC of more than 800. I know the rules say clerics can only cast complete heal while inside a Kunark dungeon if their AC is under 800. I told him this is against the rules but he would not listen so I got on my monk and I trained him. He then consented me and I hid his body and put him on ignore.

[Wakanda]

Funny, when the epic quests came out I don't remember the devs saying, "Hello Norrath! Introducing the *entirely optional* epic quest class items!"

They were supposed to be class defining, not class-maligning. Enchaters were called a cc class. They gave us a buff stick.

I decided to go on a race to 60. I was 2nd enchanter to 60 on my server. I snagged a VoG from a trak raid. I was gtg. When I was rounding 59, epic got solved globally, and effect was revealed.

I do not rmember a single top enchanter not being pissed. A haste buff???? "You can get raids up quicker!"

Not my fucking job.

I remember this too. Like no one was happy about the Enchanter epic "back in the day."

It's also interesting for me how the Ragebringer was considered an OP Epic because of how easy it was to obtain, but in a state of perpetual Velious it actually can easily become one of the epics you can completely replace and never touch again. Maybe some other melee epics fall under the same bracket.

[cd288]

I remember this too. Like no one was happy about the Enchanter epic "back in the day."

It's also interesting for me how the Ragebringer was considered an OP Epic because of how easy it was to obtain, but in a state of perpetual Velious it actually can easily become one of the epics you can completely replace and never touch again. Maybe some other melee epics fall under the same bracket.

Aren't Pally and Ranger also not BIS in Velious?

[Ekco]

they should make it so p99 only runs inside Windows 98 running on bare metal with a AGP graphic card to keep it classic and enhance the emersion
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7d4AAOSw~AplaOPb/s-l1200.jpg

force us all to build win98 rigs
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