This game meta fucking sucks now.

[zelld52]

Just witnessed the exact same situation caused by and happen to the same player. And it played out differently because of the dumb fucking meta of p99 year 6, 10+

an (accidental train) because of rushing past spawns without sneak.

situation a) Monk that nobody likes rushes past spawn and drops train on group. group can't handle it and wipes. monk doesn't apologize, doesnt help with recovery and claims he never trained. group that wiped has no OBS.

situation b) shaman / rogue duoing hierophant grekal. new player appears across the hall and rogue goes to sneak across and check it out but oops forgot to hide. ICGs aggro, rogue runs into room and monk that nobody likes is there fighting arch duke. low HP arch duke summons rogue and then aggros monk. monk doesnt die because of FD, but does have OBS. petitions, submits and rogue gets suspended.

this is the game you all spend so much time pouring hours and hours into. OBS quest. LawyerQuest.

[Jimjam]

Survival of the fattest.

[wagorf]

name and shame, whats the monks name

[zelld52]

Why would you do hiero.

mostly masochism. done 4 - 5hour sessions and no cloak yet

[Ekco]

group that wiped has no OBS.

filled under casual scum.

[shovelquest]

Just because nobody likes the monk doesn't mean you can train him.

[cd288]

While a suspension there seems a bit harsh if it was an honest mistake that happened 1 time, I think you would agree that if the situation were reversed you might be pretty pissed (especially if FD happened to fail and they also interrupted your kill that you were about to finish and now have to try to kill all over again).

[onmove_broke]

Honestly I never understood why training was banned. It's part of the game. Trains are classic. What was the official stance on live back in 1999?

[Ekco]

What was the official stance on live back in 1999?

was the wild west on fennin ro early on. Fennin had way too many people so i assume other servers were different

my rep on Fennin was so trashed from KSing and other shit i took the first xfer off during velious or whenever it was and gamed the system to get a free name change

[Old_PVP]

On Rallos Zek you used to be able to intentionally exp loss people with trains well into Velious. They should get rid of PnP and let wild west laws rule again. This server has created Charmin ultra soft players.

[Popet]

D&D is a violent crime simulation, and CRPGs are solitary confinement for the criminally insane. The difference between a multiplayer CRPG and an MMORPG is that an MMORPG has prison wardens and guards who are only slightly less corrupt than you are. This is the life that you chose for yourself. You are free to leave at any time.

[cd288]

Honestly I never understood why training was banned. It's part of the game. Trains are classic. What was the official stance on live back in 1999?

When EQ first launched it was highly dependent on the server. There wasn't a PNP because the devs had no idea one would be needed. As emergent behavior came out and people started griefing etc. the GMs on different servers would take different stances. Some would do nothing, some would issue punishments. By the end of 1999 the PNP was drafted and put out to ensure consistency in rules across severs and ban things like training, kill stealing, etc.

[onmove_broke]

When EQ first launched it was highly dependent on the server. There wasn't a PNP because the devs had no idea one would be needed. As emergent behavior came out and people started griefing etc. the GMs on different servers would take different stances. Some would do nothing, some would issue punishments. By the end of 1999 the PNP was drafted and put out to ensure consistency in rules across severs and ban things like training, kill stealing, etc.

It's amazing that the devs never saw a monk flopping a train in front of a group would be a thing. On Kings and Bandits people would just DA a lv 1 cleric through SolB and drop huge trains. Honestly it was fun going back and forth until one group prevailed. I admit I trained people all the time on live and there were so many people rep did not matter because of the different time zones etc.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The premise seems to be, time was wasted in ways the normal person would never understand, and if you told them, they would block you on social media. This time was wasted in several senses, and in fact has a longitudinal record of worrisome dimensions.

Shit's classic

[cd288]

It's amazing that the devs never saw a monk flopping a train in front of a group would be a thing. On Kings and Bandits people would just DA a lv 1 cleric through SolB and drop huge trains. Honestly it was fun going back and forth until one group prevailed. I admit I trained people all the time on live and there were so many people rep did not matter because of the different time zones etc.

It was a simpler time in the early days of the Internet where people didn't conceive that people would be dicks on the Internet for no reason (false assumption clearly).

Wish the servers I was CSR on had been one of yours, would've enjoyed banning you for those trains :)

[Ekco]

people in UO were doing insanely mean shit, EQ devs really didn't have an excuse.

and MUDs were pvp also, i got fucked up daily on LORD as a kid. used to just hang out in the tavern with that whore where it was safe.

i remember jacking Haden from someone using charm as a enchanter in 99 and the guide that responded to the other players petition literally didn't know wtf to do about it

[aaezil]

Reminds me of that south park episode “how do you kill that which has no life?”

[Lune]

Good training is truly an art form, especially when you need to do it without getting caught. Necrious in VP was like a Jedi Master

[shovelquest]

imagine making a game in 1999 and in 2025 you're like "that's it!"

[Trexller]

imagine making a game in 1999 and in 2025 you're like "that's it!"

daybreak devs should take the live servers down for a year and then relaunch the original game like nothing ever happened

might be able to just go down for a month, people dont have much of a memory anymore

[Lune]

What do you mean without getting caught?

We knew where every single train was going on VP wars v1. TMO knew where every train was. In V2 with the FE guys, it was even more obvious, as everyone had to many more keyed toons parked.

Literally half the fun of it was being so overtly in their face that it was you, again, only minutes after the last one.

Necrious was indeed pretty survivable though for a necro, he must have burned an ungodly amount of EE's. My greatest drawback was medding 300 mana for a revive every time. Necro mana regen gods gift in that place.

For training without getting caught, thats plane of fear and ntov mate. Only an idiot gets seen.

I'm referring to small time stuff outside VP with the not getting caught part. There was no reason to hide it in VP lol

[cd288]

daybreak devs should take the live servers down for a year and then relaunch the original game like nothing ever happened

might be able to just go down for a month, people dont have much of a memory anymore

This is basically today's movie industry just remaking everything

[Jimjam]

This is basically today's movie industry just remaking everything
Even games industry does it. Isn’t Switch’s Pokémon Lets Go just a remake of Gameboy’s Yellow?

[shovelquest]

Every movie is literally just a reskin of a bible story.

And every video game is an early access house building survival piece of s!

[Knuckle]

I mean 99% of playerbase don't have these interactions. Then again I don't interact with 99% of playerbase.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Even games industry does it. Isn’t Switch’s Pokémon Lets Go just a remake of Gameboy’s Yellow?

https://image-cdn-ak.spotifycdn.com/image/ab67706c0000da84bf9eeab07d6846e368894605

[Duik]

Every movie is literally just a reskin of a bible story.

And every video game is an early access house building survival piece of s!

And every bible story is a remake of an earlier cultures myths/legends. So there is that.

Also movies and games dont perport to be real.

[onmove_broke]

It was a simpler time in the early days of the Internet where people didn't conceive that people would be dicks on the Internet for no reason (false assumption clearly).

Wish the servers I was CSR on had been one of yours, would've enjoyed banning you for those trains :)

I would have guaranteed 100% you would not have.

[onmove_broke]

What do you mean without getting caught?

We knew where every single train was going on VP wars v1. TMO knew where every train was. In V2 with the FE guys, it was even more obvious, as everyone had to many more keyed toons parked.

Literally half the fun of it was being so overtly in their face that it was you, again, only minutes after the last one.

Necrious was indeed pretty survivable though for a necro, he must have burned an ungodly amount of EE's. My greatest drawback was medding 300 mana for a revive every time. Necro mana regen gods gift in that place.

For training without getting caught, thats plane of fear and ntov mate. Only an idiot gets seen.

It is easy to train w/o getting caught. I used to do it all the time which is why I never got banned on live. I had certain techniques and used some exploits on live where nobody could see me.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Good training is truly an art form, especially when you need to do it without getting caught. Necrious in VP was like a Jedi Master

VP is really its own art form. I certainly don't understand it.

[PDX0621]

Good training is truly an art form, especially when you need to do it without getting caught. Necrious in VP was like a Jedi Master

Teenage me back on Live thought the height of fun was taking my Iksar SK around Oasis pulling all the Spectres with SoW and Circlet of Shadows and training all the newbies. Dang I was a d!ck back then.

[Kohedron]

Wow I'm very surprised losers that have been playing the exact same game for 40 fuckin years are going to be degenerates

[cd288]

Teenage me back on Live thought the height of fun was taking my Iksar SK around Oasis pulling all the Spectres with SoW and Circlet of Shadows and training all the newbies. Dang I was a d!ck back then.

There's a guy on Reddit who has a pretty funny post about all the shit he used to pull in the classic era. Including running the specs all the way out into the ocean, running back into the dunes over the dock and having them train onto the dock behind people.

He also had a crazy story about the fact that apparently NPCs could take faction hits at launch (which I don't remember being true, but I take his word for it) and how he created an NPC war in WFP.

[Ekco]

worst thing i did in classic was lie about NBG on SMR literally did it a couple times before word got out lol.

[Trexller]

worst thing i did in classic was lie about NBG on SMR literally did it a couple times before word got out lol.

this is an intended mechanic

[Duik]

Im proud to say
i would defo fallen.for your false NBG. Bit im a nive fella and was granted NBG by unknown PUGs. I seeiously thort it was the "meta".
Oh well.

[Ekco]

i felt since i was role-playing and wearing the oracle robe the entire time i deserve more SMRs

[Salaryman]

RED99

[Trexller]

RED99

nobody cares about raid mechanics on red99?

because nobody raids.

[Zadrian]

LawyerQuest.

War. War never changes.

[Ciderpress]

Guys this game clearly rules and I think we should pour one out for brad and the rest of the original dev team every now and then. I'm sure there are more people playing some jrpg thing where you trade bathroom tiles or whatever, but that doesn't mean those are good games.

[Ciderpress]

A game is good if I keep playing it for my entire life thusfar, no? And no it's not just gambling, because gambling is a single player game.

[Salaryman]

nobody cares about raid mechanics on red99?

because nobody raids.

you are complaining about the competitive meta on a pve server?

RED99

[Ekco]

you are complaining about the competitive meta on a pve server?

RED99

this is the most handicap of handicap fights on the entire internet.

nobody gives a shit about either, hope this helps.

[Smoofers]

OP have you considered getting better at the game?

[Wakanda]

I don't like how a lot of times my groups are so twinked that the content feels more trivial than World of Warcraft. Not that there's anything wrong with twinking. I understand why people do it, but the last several groups I was in on my Enchanter the people in my groups were so ridiculously geared and had guild mates drive-by buffing us / rezzing us if need be, to the point where it didn't even feel like I was playing EQ.

I miss early P99 green where the only tank we could find was a non-twink monk in cloth armor, and then one day, having a dwarf paladin with full bronze armor and two gnoll hide lariats join the group and it suddenly felt like we won the lottery.

[Wakanda]

I miss early P99 green where the only tank we could find was a non-twink monk in cloth armor, and then one day, having a dwarf paladin

Inb4 someone points out that Paladins can't dual wield. By Paladin I meant Warrior (still remember his name too, but don't want to post it here).*

[Jimjam]

I miss early P99 green where the only tank we could find was a non-twink monk in cloth armor, and then one day, having a dwarf paladin with full bronze armor and two gnoll hide lariats join the group and it suddenly felt like we won the lottery.

My fave part of early green was being 3 melees sharing a static spawn they isolated, having to wait a but after respawn to get back to fighting fitness and during that time a single mage +pet that the party outlevelled would take over the spawn and would kill it much faster/safer with no down time.

The mage would race to 30 and complain the game was too hard as research pets were difficult so 50 would take a while (the same melees were up to lvl 12 at this point).

[Beatitudes]

On Rallos Zek you used to be able to intentionally exp loss people with trains well into Velious. They should get rid of PnP and let wild west laws rule again. This server has created Charmin ultra soft players.

I remember Flowers of Happiness Training a MiM raid. Those dudes got a temp ban and some perm.

[shovelquest]

Imagine getting banned on red.

There's 100% chance you can guess who reported you.

[kjs86z2]

Good training is truly an art form, especially when you need to do it without getting caught. Necrious in VP was like a Jedi Master

Its Loststalker!

[Ekco]

its a hard time of year!

[shovelquest]

I was on TLP doing Sav/Sage/Exe and some dickheads took my camp with their box/group.

So I went back and rooted one of the dars down below the bloodthirsty and ran back to the zoneline ITU (where I could see through the wall to my train and the group that stole my camp.)

After root broke the frog pulled the whole place as it slowly made its way hopping around getting bigger and bigger and when it just past the group I zoned, and zoned back in just in time to see it finishing off their last of their group.

TLP is awesome.

[Ciderpress]

I trained somebody at grik once because I hold a major grudge and I remembered that two years prior this dude elf lawyered me out of efreeti camp cause I was afk for 2 minutes medding while he was up.

Pulled cab guard with lev on, ran high in the sky with guard chasing at max distance without leashing, ran past grik camp to dirty the guy on the guard chasing me. Gate. Checked /who all swamp annnnnd he's in FV suddenly, I don't know why. Loaded my warrior camped at grik.

I hate griefing, and most training is griefing, but ethical training in pve EQ is oh so satisfying.

[cd288]

I trained somebody at grik once because I hold a major grudge and I remembered that two years prior this dude elf lawyered me out of efreeti camp cause I was afk for 2 minutes medding while he was up.

Pulled cab guard with lev on, ran high in the sky with guard chasing at max distance without leashing, ran past grik camp to dirty the guy on the guard chasing me. Gate. Checked /who all swamp annnnnd he's in FV suddenly, I don't know why. Loaded my warrior camped at grik.

I hate griefing, and most training is griefing, but ethical training in pve EQ is oh so satisfying.

Lol. You can't leave us hanging, what happened when he got back to the camp and you were there?

[Wakanda]

I started streaming just so I would have VOD proof of what happened in game during the early days of P99 Green because people would always lie about crap. People would be stealing my mobs from our camp and taunting us about it, and then when we started stealing them back, the other group calls the GM and we're the ones getting blamed for toxic behavior etc. Granted the GM was cool about it and I don't even think I got a warning or anything, but you could tell he really thought we were the instigators. Same player later got banned for something completely unrelated, but man, it sure would have been nice to have had that recorded, right?

I even caught some "popular" people blatantly boxing but it was my word against theirs since I had no proof.

The final straw for me was when a friend of mine got banned because he was camping the priest in UR. Some high elf enchanter shows up after he's been there for hours, priest spawns, and the high elf enchanter starts typing "please stop!!! this is camped" while he is killing the priest. High elf enchanter then shares a video of that happening, and my friend is banned for killing the priest. Fortunately my friend was recording the same instance, and got unbanned when he sent GMs the full video.

But after that I decided to always stream just so I have evidence. Because honestly I'm not a toxic player, and I don't intentionally break the rules or treat other people poorly. I try to be as nice and friendly as I can to other people, and sometimes I do make mistakes and accidentally train other people, but it's never on purpose, so I don't have much to hide.

But playing without video evidence seems really high risk because the most toxic players really do be out here lying and trying to get innocent people in trouble. Actually sickening.

And also I'm not a jerk. If my group is slacking and we're not even clearing content, I don't really care if other groups snag a mob or two here or there, but usually it's the other way around, lol. Like IDK, dude.

IDK how people play pullers in this game without snapping. I remember playing an SK and I'm always OOM because between pulling and DPS'ing, I don't have time to meditate, so I might as well have been a warrior. Half the time I get back to my group 50% of the people are AFK so it feels like I'm literally just solo'ing the game, and then other groups start stealing my mobs, making me even more frustrated that my group just kind of sits there lazily rather than getting up and helping me secure our camp.

[Wakanda]

I was on TLP doing Sav/Sage/Exe and some dickheads took my camp with their box/group.

So I went back and rooted one of the dars down below the bloodthirsty and ran back to the zoneline ITU (where I could see through the wall to my train and the group that stole my camp.)

After root broke the frog pulled the whole place as it slowly made its way hopping around getting bigger and bigger and when it just past the group I zoned, and zoned back in just in time to see it finishing off their last of their group.

TLP is awesome.
This is going to make me sound really toxic, but this is a recurring theme on TLPs. The game actually feels like PVP because of how hostile players can be to each other. Like when someone kills me on WoW I don't take it as personal as when someone parks right in front of my camp and starts taking our mobs.

So on TLP I literally just log on my main and start killing everything in the camp. Even on Oakwynd where encounters were locked I was so fast that I could get the mobs before them. But you know what is even more funny? On Oakwynd, you can lock a mob encounter as an Enchanter by simply lulling or mezzing a mob, so I would literally just wander around someone's camp mezzing and lulling all the mobs so they couldn't aggro or pull them.

And again, I'm not toxic, I literally only do this to people who move into my camp and try to kick me out. I remember logging onto a level 60 rogue at UR fireplace and killing everything after a PL group just moved in, sat down in front of us, and took over. I just started double backstabbing and slaughtering the entire zone so they could get no exp, literally KS'ing, because it's legal.

A few weeks go by, and some of those players are finally high enough level to group with me and they are like omfg i'll never group with that guy, he's the most toxic person I've ever met on here. And I'm genuinely baffled by their lack of self awareness. Like you come to our camp, take over with high level 60s buffing you and crap, and then start making fun of us when we complain, so when I swap to my main and do the same thing back to you, I'm the toxic player???

[shovelquest]

This is going to make me sound really toxic, but this is a recurring theme on TLPs. The game actually feels like PVP because of how hostile players can be to each other. Like when someone kills me on WoW I don't take it as personal as when someone parks right in front of my camp and starts taking our mobs.

So on TLP I literally just log on my main and start killing everything in the camp. Even on Oakwynd where encounters were locked I was so fast that I could get the mobs before them. But you know what is even more funny? On Oakwynd, you can lock a mob encounter as an Enchanter by simply lulling or mezzing a mob, so I would literally just wander around someone's camp mezzing and lulling all the mobs so they couldn't aggro or pull them.

And again, I'm not toxic, I literally only do this to people who move into my camp and try to kick me out. I remember logging onto a level 60 rogue at UR fireplace and killing everything after a PL group just moved in, sat down in front of us, and took over. I just started double backstabbing and slaughtering the entire zone so they could get no exp, literally KS'ing, because it's legal.

A few weeks go by, and some of those players are finally high enough level to group with me and they are like omfg i'll never group with that guy, he's the most toxic person I've ever met on here. And I'm genuinely baffled by their lack of self awareness. Like you come to our camp, take over with high level 60s buffing you and crap, and then start making fun of us when we complain, so when I swap to my main and do the same thing back to you, I'm the toxic player???

It's totally like you describe! It is like a pvp server :D

You either become friends with the botters and they buff/rez you whenever you need, or they take your camps.

Just like PVP ha