Chira numbuh wan!

[Trexller]

atleast Cuban is doing something to lower drug prices, unlike an entire political party that stated it as their goal for a decade and a half

don't @ me about insulin, that shit is a red herring from big pharma while they skull fuck you on everything else

someone needs to explain why the hell a pharmacy benefit manager exists

when I go buy eggs, 80% of the cost of my eggs isn't being rebated to the grocery store from the guy who unloads the eggs from the truck

[Botten]

This is doubtful, he has a dream team of political managers behind him. Love them or hate them, they know what they are doing, and are not afraid to do it.

Some of them were democrats not all that long ago, and he wouldn't have got my vote, or alot of other votes were it not for them joining the cause.

a stopped clock being right twice a day and all, Joe Rogan made an apt comment recently in response to people calling for a "Leftist Joe Rogan", Rogan answers, "You had me, I was on your side"

counting on trump to fail is too big of a risky variable for the left, not when there is a very good chance that he will succeed.

don't lose the forest for the trees

What makes you think Democrats suddenly voted in droves for the Orange man?

The Orange man in 2016 got 62,984,828 votes, in 2020 he got 74,223,975 and in 2024 he got 77,302,58

Look at the difference in the numbers of votes between his 2016 win and his 2020 loss. It was a difference of 11,239,147 vs his additional gain of only 3,078,605 this cycle.

The Orange man actually did worse in increasing the numbers voting for him.

You watch Joe Rogan you start to believe that extreme right misinformation ... like ivermectin :rolleyes:

I have news the democrats and independents didn't vote like crazy for the Orange man and more than likely they were not inspired enough to vote for a female candidate.

[shovelquest]

holy fuck google Agent provocateur, FBI has been caught starting more riots n bullshit while undercover than any other alphabet soup agency

how fuckin normie are you? the one in Seattle they started by throwing shit threw a starbucks, they started shit at occupy wallstreet also.

literally how they justify their budget, when they aren't catfishing retards into being terrorists that is

look, I believe that the feds were there stirring up trouble sure. There is no proof of it, except literally ray eps videos of him doing exactly that.

But ray eps, did not go to jail. Nor did any other undercover feds.

Hope this helps!

[shovelquest]

What makes you think Democrats suddenly voted in droves for the Orange man?

Im one. I did. Still registered as a democrat so your numbers are fucked up too.

Look at the difference in the numbers of votes between his 2016 win compared to 2020.

You got all the worst people from the republican party to join you.

I also think the 2020 victory was a result of people being afraid of covid and not believing trump that it was going to just go away (*like it did)

I was indifferent to trump in 2016-2019.. but I hated him in 2020.

By 2024 Im ok with him being literally Caesar of a new American empire.

[Trexller]

What makes you think Democrats suddenly voted in droves for the Orange man?

The Orange man in 2016 got 62,984,828 votes, in 2020 he got 74,223,975 and in 2024 he got 77,302,58

Look at the difference in the numbers of votes between his 2016 win and his 2020 loss. It was a difference of 11,239,147 vs his additional gain of only 3,078,605 this cycle.

The Orange man actually did worse in increasing the numbers voting for him.

You watch Joe Rogan you start to believe that extreme right misinformation ... like ivermectin :rolleyes:

I have news the democrats and independents didn't vote like crazy for the Orange man and more than likely they were not inspired enough to vote for a female candidate.

nobody said dems voted for trump in droves, except for you. where I describe a cultural shift, you claw for ground in terms that were beaten to death 4 years ago.

see look at yourself, you simply stop thinking when you hear a name like Rogan, immediately reverting to your old biases. where else are you gonna get a guy like zuckerberg to ramble for 3 hours? Rogan's podcast isn't good because of Rogan, it's good when he brings on a great guest and then shuts up.

you are still failing to understand not why harris lost, but why trump won. It wouldn't have taken much to shift in harris' favor, yet nobody tried to. why is that?

[Ekco]

"the hedge fund that runs DeepSeek actually took an Nvidia short position before R1 launch btw, not a conspiracy theory"

big if true.

[Botten]

nobody said dems voted for trump in droves, except for you. where I describe a cultural shift, you claw for ground in terms that were beaten to death 4 years ago.

see look at yourself, you simply stop thinking when you hear a name like Rogan, immediately reverting to your old biases. where else are you gonna get a guy like zuckerberg to ramble for 3 hours? Rogan's podcast isn't good because of Rogan, it's good when he brings on a great guest and then shuts up.

you are still failing to understand not why harris lost, but why trump won. It wouldn't have taken much to shift in harris' favor, yet nobody tried to. why is that?

That’s just , he doesn’t stop pushing misinformation even with his guest. The View has guests are you willing to watch the View or do you think they will push their agenda even with the guest there. Incorrect analogies are fun.

[shovelquest]

why is that?

As a former democrat, i can try to shed some light on this.

We have this philosophy that if you talk about something, it will result in that something coming true.

Like, if we had a conversation in the 2000s about how we may not like a particular aspect about Islamic extremism.. then someone who was a xenophobe islamophobia might hear that, and it would validate their biggoted opinions!


So, we can't talk about the negative things, because that just re-enforces biggots!

This perverts literally everything that we do or think. We constantly are trying to correct our language, so it can't be perceived as offensive.

We constantly want to silence anyone who says anything that can be perceived as an attack against a social group.

Its why they say things like, "the economy is doing great! It's just transitory!" because we can't stand the idea of validating someone who dislikes Bidens opinions.

Look at how they talk about literally anything, and you'll see this behavior is not just a trend but it's a way of life.

[shovelquest]

he doesn’t stop pushing misinformation

and... there it is!

It's all misinformation, dont listen to it, youll become a racist fascist xenaphobe! Don't ever talk about or listen to any of these ideas!

[Botten]

Im one. I did. Still registered as a democrat so your numbers are fucked up too.

One does not make the statement true.

[Trexller]

That’s just , he doesn’t stop pushing misinformation even with his guest. The View has guests are you willing to watch the View or do you think they will push their agenda even with the guest there. Incorrect analogies are fun.

this man cannot be helped, he is firmly entrenched in the belief that politics is still media vs. media, and that voters cannot make a decision outside of choosing one narrative or another.

[shovelquest]

One does not make the statement true.

But it does elect a president!

BOYEA!

[Trexller]

As a former democrat, i can try to shed some light on this.

We have this philosophy that if you talk about something, it will result in that something coming true.

Like, if we had a conversation in the 2000s about how we may not like a particular aspect about Islamic extremism.. then someone who was a xenophobe islamophobia might hear that, and it would validate their biggoted opinions!


So, we can't talk about the negative things, because that just re-enforces biggots!

This perverts literally everything that we do or think. We constantly are trying to correct our language, so it can't be perceived as offensive.

We constantly want to silence anyone who says anything that can be perceived as an attack against a social group.

Its why they say things like, "the economy is doing great! It's just transitory!" because we can't stand the idea of validating someone who dislikes Bidens opinions.

Look at how they talk about literally anything, and you'll see this behavior is not just a trend but it's a way of life.

If we all can see this, including the voter base, then why isn't dem leadership agile enough to make a shift?

Obama was a political ninja compared to Bush, or anyone that republicans wanted to run in '08 or '12. Then he won, and did nothing. He literally showed up on capital hill or met with his staff fewer times than any president in history.

Why do democrats prefer to spike the ball after an interception, rather then run it to the end zone?

[shovelquest]

If we all can see this, including the voter base, then why isn't dem leadership agile enough to make a shift?

Because it's like the same flaw that make folks use the phrase "blasphemy!" to try to convert non believers.

[Reiwa]

If we all can see this, including the voter base, then why isn't dem leadership agile enough to make a shift?

Obama was a political ninja compared to Bush, or anyone that republicans wanted to run in '08 or '12. Then he won, and did nothing. He literally showed up on capital hill or met with his staff fewer times than any president in history.

Why do democrats prefer to spike the ball after an interception, rather then run it to the end zone?

Trump himself ducked Obama in '12. It was just a tough matchup.

[shovelquest]

Trump himself ducked Obama in '12. It was just a tough matchup.

I didn't vote for obummer in 12, but mostly becuase I just didn't care.

I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for trump though. Id have to see something like the physical sacrifice of Bernie Sanders, the start of new wars, people falling off of airplanes, and trillions being funneled to the 1% for me to be woken from my slumber.

Although maybe it was just all the woke starwars that tipped the scales for me this year.

Im a fiscal liberal, and social conservative. What can I say.

[Trexller]

normies cant see it. :(

I refuse to believe that the majority of americans are actually as dumb as it seems when looking at them in large groups.

Obama was asked on the campaign trail prior to '08, "If you don't win, does that mean America is not ready for a black president?" He replied, "No, that would mean we failed in our messaging"

I saw the dems run great campaigns, I saw them stomp the republicans in '08 and '12.

It's baffling to me that they would then run Biden and Harris, it's baffling that there was nobody better, AND that they couldn't run a coherent campaign.

This shit is like NASA "losing the telemetry and technology to go to the moon" it's a level of incompetence that I can't imagine being possible.

It's the sort of thing that makes me wonder, was the deal for trump to win in '24 all along? and the 8 years of BS after '16 being political theater just to make people amenable to his brand of politics?

[shovelquest]

I refuse to believe that the majority of americans are actually as dumb as it seems when looking at them in large groups.

idk what to say, for like at least 10 years of my life I performed, and believed in this philosophy. Like I came to the conclusion that it was right. It's right to silence dissent, if the dissent is ignorant and dumb.

I was wrong, I can admit that. I was a hopeful fool.

Just because someone's philosophy is wrong, doesn't mean they are dumb IMO.

It's the sort of thing that makes me wonder, was the deal for trump to win in '24 all along? and the 8 years of BS after '16 being political theater just to make people amenable to his brand of politics?

I think it was more the social shit. I voted for trump for these reasons:

1. I cant let democrats think this is how you win
2. I cant stand these fuckers I hope this makes them really mad
3. I don't give a shit who is president anymore fuck all these people I hope project 2025 is a fascist christian take over.

[Trexller]

idk what to say, for like at least 10 years of my life I performed, and believed in this philosophy. Like I came to the conclusion that it was right. It's right to silence dissent, if the dissent is ignorant and dumb.

I was wrong, I can admit that. I was a hopeful fool.

Just because someone's philosophy is wrong, doesn't mean they are dumb IMO.

theres that overly-blunt and simplistic saying that if you're not a liberal at 20 you're heartless, and if you're not a conservative at 40 you're brainless

i find myself in an uncomfortable place seeing the dem party lose the majority of it's power and influence, the US gov't as a whole has burned so much credibility that the current admin is trying to release JFK, RFK, MLK files to try and recoup some credibility, the idea being "Hey trust us, we're different, we'll release information that you all already knew, and also, It's the Gulf of America, because fuck yeah!"

These token actions just open a door to a path that could rebuild some tacit trust in gov't, but not nearly enough.

I'll donate a year's salary to the dem party if they said they would get private equity the hell out of the housing market.

That would actually be something that could improve the lives of Americans.

[Botten]

Trump himself ducked Obama in '12. It was just a tough matchup.

A tough matchup that can happen again if 3rd terms are allowed.

LOL the amendment won’t happen thou and it would be easier for Trump to just be a VP and run the show.

[Botten]

I refuse to believe that the majority of americans are actually as dumb as it seems when looking at them in large groups.


Education is lacking in a lot of the rural areas.

[Trexller]

A tough matchup that can happen again if 3rd terms are allowed.

LOL the amendment won’t happen thou and it would be easier for Trump to just be a VP and run the show.

Isn't Elon the King of Earth now? so it wouldn't matter who gets to be potus

we could put any washed up old hag in the job, and they'll sign any document that is presented to them.

[shovelquest]

That would actually be something that could improve the lives of Americans.

Yeah, IK agree on that. But the way the democrats chose to handle covid proved to me that they give zero fucks about anyone except investment bankers and large housing firms.

[shovelquest]

we could put any washed up old hag in the job, and they'll sign any document that is presented to them.

In trumps defense, he seems like the only president that does what he wants.

Biden not leaving the election was the most independent thing I seen him do.

[Trexller]

Education is lacking in a lot of the rural areas.

and yet somehow they are all better informed then they were 10 years ago.

what happened? could it be that they saw their cost of living go sky high, and their wages stagnate?

then they googled, why am I poor? and google answered, because tiny fish deserve a better life then you do.

you said the quiet part out loud, and those hordes of unwashed rednecks who for the most part don't drag their asses from their lawn couches to the polling places, actually participated.

[shovelquest]

Education is lacking in a lot of the rural areas.

And terrible in urban ones...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state

The states with the highest rates of illiteracy in the United States, ranked from the highest illiteracy to the lowest among the top ten, are as follows:

California - 28.4% of adults lacking basic prose literacy skills.
Texas - 28.2%.
Mississippi - 28%.
Louisiana - 27.1%.
New York - 24.4%.

:(

[shovelquest]

you said the quiet part out loud, and those hordes of unwashed rednecks who for the most part don't drag their asses from their lawn couches to the polling places, actually participated.

me!

[Trexller]

And terrible in urban ones...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state



:(

it almost seems like the less we educate our students, the more that they shoot at each other

[Reiwa]

A tough matchup that can happen again if 3rd terms are allowed.

LOL the amendment won’t happen thou and it would be easier for Trump to just be a VP and run the show.

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

[shovelquest]

If there are no borders, Elon was born in America.

:o

[Reiwa]

I'll donate a year's salary to the dem party if they said they would get private equity the hell out of the housing market.

That would actually be something that could improve the lives of Americans.

Institutional investors own approximately 0.67% to 0.73% of the U.S. single-family housing stock. This percentage is based on various definitions of what constitutes an institutional investor, but generally refers to firms owning more than 1,000 homes.


Additionally, broader statistics suggest that investors as a whole (including both institutional and smaller "mom-and-pop" investors) purchased around 26% of single-family homes sold in recent years. However, the specific share owned by institutional investors remains a smaller segment of this total.

False. Black bear.

[Trexller]

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

It seems like there are enough politicians now under the MAGA movement that trump wouldn't have to run as VP, but i wouldn't put it past them just switching the names for '28 to Vance/Trump

people are gonna have mixed feelings about this, but like it or not, MAGA is a political party. They ran on the republican ticket but ~50% of republicans would prefer the old guard, they just aren't dumb enough to outright challenge MAGA.

I feel like this is one of the major reasons the dems lost, they refused to treat MAGA as though it was it's own entity, as a populist movement instead of a republican movement.

but then i ask myself, they can't be that blind and deaf, unless they really did go so far into the wokeness that they buried themselves under their own ideology like shovelquest suggests

[Trexller]

False. Black bear.

they just write the stats like that because they are still scared of the ideology behind occupy wall street, kind of crazy how fast occupy wall street turned into, "You're All Racist!, so hire on DEI only!

a bigger fire gets put out before a smaller fire

private equity owns firms like PMI and other massive real estate conglomerates that bury themselves in dozens of layers of ownership to obfuscate their actual goals of desperately trying to find ways to pay dividends every 3 months because they were dumb enough to write laws that required this to happen

real estate is a guaranteed return on investment, it just happens to screw people out of affordable housing.

let's just deregulate domestic mining and let them strip the lands for short term gains, at least then gen Z's could buy houses instead of being miserable with their parents

or is there an actual end-game in forcing people to send their money to E-girls in Estonia instead of building a nest egg

[Ciderpress]

New press sec more like new press sex

..sorry.

[Reiwa]

they just write the stats like that because they are still scared of the ideology behind occupy wall street, kind of crazy how fast occupy wall street turned into, "You're All Racist!, so hire on DEI only!

a bigger fire gets put out before a smaller fire

private equity owns firms like PMI and other massive real estate conglomerates that bury themselves in dozens of layers of ownership to obfuscate their actual goals of desperately trying to find ways to pay dividends every 3 months because they were dumb enough to write laws that required this to happen

real estate is a guaranteed return on investment, it just happens to screw people out of affordable housing.

let's just deregulate domestic mining and let them strip the lands for short term gains, at least then gen Z's could buy houses instead of being miserable with their parents

or is there an actual end-game in forcing people to send their money to E-girls in Estonia instead of building a nest egg

Owning shares in a bank that owns your mortgage isn't the same as them owning your house.

[Reiwa]

Indirect Exposure: BlackRock owns about 6.7% of American Homes 4 Rent, which as of December 2023, owned 59,000 single-family homes in the United States. This gives BlackRock indirect exposure to single-family housing through its investment in this company

[Trexller]

New press sec more like new press sex

..sorry.

nothing like brains to get you ahead in the world, but then pair brains with looks.

it was rather painful watching karine jean pierre the past couple years. Psaki coulda been hot if she tried tho, but alas, the DEI hires were in vogue.

[Trexller]

BlackRock owns about 6.7% of American Homes 4 Rent, which as of December 2023, owned 59,000 single-family homes in the United States. This gives BlackRock indirect exposure to single-family housing through its investment in this company

blackrock is big for sure, but they are just one entity among hundreds domestically and thousands globally.

gotta look at it in terms of all the large complex rentals too, these play just as big or more a role in deciding home real estate prices, which are all owned by faceless conglomerates.

heck, we could solve alot of these problems just by removing foreign private equity. the idea the dudes in london or beijing can own property in the US that they don't live on is just bad for all americans

[shovelquest]

False. Black bear.

False, false.

https://www.redfin.com/news/investor-home-purchases-q4-2023/

30% of the single family homes in the USA are owned by investors.

Your % filters out 99% of housing speculation by adding strict restrictions on what counts as an "institutional investor"

https://www.worldpropertyjournal.com/real-estate-news/united-states/irvine/real-estate-news-investor-owned-homes-data-in-2023-corelogic-home-investor-data-for-2023-how-many-homes-are-owned-by-investors-in-2023-home-buyer-data-13837.php

Small investors (individuals that own 2-9 homes) make up 62% of housing speculatoin.

That leaves 40% of 30% of the housing market, owned by an "investment group" (1 or more investors)

And a tiny fraction of them being "investment institutions".

Group: a collection of individual investors who pool their resources to invest together. An investment group might be formed among friends, family, or business associates.

Institution: This refers to a more formal and established organization that manages investments as its primary business function. Examples include banks, insurance companies, hedge funds, pension funds, and mutual funds.


A group, is just a not formaly recognized corperation, there's thousands of them. And they make up for 62% of the 30% of homes that are owned by investors.

That's a YUGE portion of the single family home pool.

There are approximately 90 million single-family detached homes in the United States.

30% are owned by investors: (more than 1 home). That's 27 million homes are owned by investors.

And 16.7 million homes owned by "investment groups"....

And thats just 2-9 homes.. (Institutional investors own 10-?,???)

So yes, this is a huge reason housing costs so much.

I know this because like I said, Im a bernie progressive leftist.

[Trexller]

Also when a 2 bedroom apartment costs more per month then a 3 bedroom house, something is seriously fucked up.

[Reiwa]

False, false.

https://www.redfin.com/news/investor-home-purchases-q4-2023/

30% of the single family homes in the USA are owned by investors.

Your % filters out 99% of housing speculation by adding strict restrictions on what counts as an "institutional investor"

https://www.worldpropertyjournal.com/real-estate-news/united-states/irvine/real-estate-news-investor-owned-homes-data-in-2023-corelogic-home-investor-data-for-2023-how-many-homes-are-owned-by-investors-in-2023-home-buyer-data-13837.php

Small investors (individuals that own 2-9 homes) make up 62% of housing speculatoin.

That leaves 40% of 30% of the housing market, owned by an "investment group" (1 or more investors)

And a tiny fraction of them being "investment institutions".

Group: a collection of individual investors who pool their resources to invest together. An investment group might be formed among friends, family, or business associates.

Institution: This refers to a more formal and established organization that manages investments as its primary business function. Examples include banks, insurance companies, hedge funds, pension funds, and mutual funds.


A group, is just a not formaly recognized corperation, there's thousands of them. And they make up for 62% of the 30% of homes that are owned by investors.

That's a YUGE portion of the single family home pool.

There are approximately 90 million single-family detached homes in the United States.

30% are owned by investors: (more than 1 home). That's 27 million homes are owned by investors.

And 16.7 million homes owned by "investment groups"....

And thats just 2-9 homes.. (Institutional investors own 10-?,???)

So yes, this is a huge reason housing costs so much.

I know this because like I said, Im a bernie progressive leftist.

Private equity is when own 2 homes.

[Trexller]

Private equity is when own 2 homes.

that's kinda the point when you got whatever interests owning several, or thousands of properties, you create an economic environment that prices out millions of people who could have otherwise bought a home.

there is a bigger issue here that im tryin to draw attention to, which is the monetization of human happiness.

if people have decent jobs and can afford a decent place to live, then they aren't gonna lose their lives to drugs or whatever else

[Botten]

Trump had closed oil refs & Seaports w/ no rapid plan to reopen them after his mismanagement of Covid recession. So when recession was over demand returned & we got 9.2% inflation. Thanks Trump!

Biden did bring inflation down but I free the Trump admin again will induce a recession.

[Trexller]

Trump had closed oil refs & Seaports w/ no rapid plan to reopen them after his mismanagement of Covid recession. So when recession was over demand returned & we got 9.2% inflation. Thanks Trump!

Biden did bring inflation down but I free the Trump admin again will induce a recession.

this guy has to be a chatbot, no human being with this command of language could possibly be this dense

[Botten]

this guy has to be a chatbot, no human being with this command of language could possibly be this dense

Is that all you have ... an insult and nothing educational to add?

Oct 24, 2022
The backup of container ships off Southern California’s coast that was at the heart of U.S. supply chain congestion during the Covid-19 pandemic has effectively disappeared. (https://www.rvia.org/news-insights/southern-californias-notorious-container-ship-backup-ends)


Examples of Oil refineries that weren't bailed out by the Trump administration when gas was too cheap due to the Orange man's mismanagement of Covid recession to make a profit from:

In 2020, Marathon Petroleum permanently closed two of its refineries: one in Martinez, California, and another in Gallup, New Mexico12. Additionally, Calcasieu Refining in Lake Charles, Louisiana, also shut down permanently in 2020

(At least the Dems bailed out some of the car companies that paid back their loan. When have you ever heard of an Oil Ref unable to pay back a bailout?)

So yes... The Dems helped to fix the recession and the demand quickly returned.
A demand we couldn't meet. Hence the inflation of 9.2% that needed to be worked down by the Dems.

And now the Orange man will be working to put us in another mismanaged recession.

So yes Thanks Trump for the inflation we blame on the Biden and Harris administration.

[shovelquest]

Is that all you have ... an insult and nothing educational to add?

No he's been trying to get through to you and you have been ignoring everything he says.

Did you even notice he has the same outlook on housing as progressives but you'd rather fight with him about trump than get together and do anything about it?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/2224

Stop Predatory Investing Act
Sponsored by Senators Brown, Wyden, Smith, Reed,
Merkley, Fetterman, Warren, and Baldwin

We face a shortage of 3.8 million homes, and aspiring homeowners across the country are
unable to find a place they can afford. In the middle of this incredible housing shortage, large
investors, including private equity firms, Real Estate Investment Trusts, and publicly traded
companies, have bought up a growing number of single-family homes.

see that reiwa, even sanders, warren, the whole lot agree. But we burnt down the forest because there was an orange tree smh

[Botten]

No he's been trying to get through to you and you have been ignoring everything he says.

Is it setting in now how the recession and inflation is hugely due to the previous Trump administration and it is happen again thanks to the limited education of the Orange voter? Imagine if the Trump administration had a rapid plan to reopen the nations largest sea ports? Or if the Trump administration bailed out some oil refineries.

[Reiwa]

that's kinda the point when you got whatever interests owning several, or thousands of properties, you create an economic environment that prices out millions of people who could have otherwise bought a home.

there is a bigger issue here that im tryin to draw attention to, which is the monetization of human happiness.

if people have decent jobs and can afford a decent place to live, then they aren't gonna lose their lives to drugs or whatever else

He's making up numbers from articles that are statistically describing purchase increases in a particular quarter. Not total ownership.

[shovelquest]

Is it setting in now how the recession and inflation is hugely due to the previous Trump administration and it is happen again thanks to the limited education of the Orange voter? Imagine if the Trump administration had a rapid plan to reopen the nations largest sea ports? Or if the Trump administration bailed out some oil refineries.

No you moron this stupid rhetoric is why your dumbass party lost.

[Reiwa]

No he's been trying to get through to you and you have been ignoring everything he says.

Did you even notice he has the same outlook on housing as progressives but you'd rather fight with him about trump than get together and do anything about it?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/2224

see that reiwa, even sanders, warren, the whole lot agree. But we burnt down the forest because there was an orange tree smh

Warren and Sanders saying so is a good indication that it's a fib. A big ole fib!

[Botten]

No you moron this stupid rhetoric is why your dumbass party lost.

*Boggle* So still no education deflect. Got it :rolleyes:

[Ekco]

that's kinda the point when you got whatever interests owning several, or thousands of properties, you create an economic environment that prices out millions of people who could have otherwise bought a home.

there is a bigger issue here that im tryin to draw attention to, which is the monetization of human happiness.

if people have decent jobs and can afford a decent place to live, then they aren't gonna lose their lives to drugs or whatever else

Japan does housing right, due to earthquakes and demolishing them every 30 years, a 20 year old house is about as valuable as a used honda civic

soon as we get AI glasses that can translate in real time i want to move over there

[shovelquest]

*Boggle* So still no education deflect. Got it :rolleyes:

If trumps the reason the economy sucked under biden, then it's going to be fair for me to say that the reason we have to start ww3 is because of what biden did.

[Trexller]

No you moron this stupid rhetoric is why your dumbass party lost.

botten has to be a chatbot designed to push an ideology, it doesn't ever actually talk to you, it just reads key words from your post and then responds with basically the same talking points and sound bites that it did a year ago or more

[Ekco]

also why the fuck are ya'll still arguing with Botten

https://i.giphy.com/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe.webp

dude said he's here on a h1b1 visa like 2 threads ago

[Trexller]

dude said he's here on a h1b1 visa like 2 threads ago

then he should be a huge fan of Trump and Elon

[Botten]

botten has to be a chatbot designed to push an ideology, it doesn't ever actually talk to you, it just reads key words from your post and then responds with basically the same talking points and sound bites that it did a year ago or more

What are we going back to 2022 when you thought my name had to do with botting?

Man those were hilarious times.

Your reaction was priceless when I told you it was from a Swedish Ben 10 episode. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3416298&postcount=20)

[Reiwa]

also why the fuck are ya'll still arguing with Botten

https://i.giphy.com/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe.webp

dude said he's here on a h1b1 visa like 2 threads ago

I think he has a greencard now and was actually on a J-1 research visa at a particular medical school.

[Botten]

also why the fuck are ya'll still arguing with Botten

https://i.giphy.com/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe.webp

dude said he's here on a h1b1 visa like 2 threads ago

Like, Elon I am a citizen :D. I just didn't abuse a school Visa in doing so.

[Trexller]

What are we going back to 2022 when you thought my name had to do with botting?

Man those were hilarious times.

Your reaction was priceless when I told you it was from a Swedish Ben 10 episode. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3416298&postcount=20)

it sure does read like a chatbot

[Botten]

I think he has a greencard now and was actually on a J-1 research visa at a particular medical school.

I am worried for my family but thankful I live in a blue state.

[Trexller]

I am worried for my family but thankful I live in a blue state.

if you got your family here on a valid h1b visa they're fine, that's how it's supposed to work.

[shovelquest]

Like, Elon I am a citizen :D.

So let me get this straight.

Me and trexler want to setup some housing regulations.

And we can't because the immigrants are fighting with each other?

[Ekco]

no regulations, and build commie blocks everywhere.

build literal skyscrappers in the NIMBY people's backyards.

fuck em.

[Reiwa]

So let me get this straight.

Me and trexler want to setup some housing regulations.

And we can't because the immigrants are fighting with each other?

Not every home is bought/sold every quarter.

[Reiwa]

no regulations, and build commie blocks everywhere.

build literal skyscrappers in the NIMBY people's backyards.

fuck em.

BRUTALISM will take care of the homeless problem.

[Trexller]

no regulations, and build commie blocks everywhere.

build literal skyscrappers in the NIMBY people's backyards.

fuck em.

this is not a bad idea

flooding the market with cheap housing would drive down housing costs, then people would stay home and make babies, and in 20 years social security is solvent again

[Reiwa]

Wanna see 82 million dollars go boom? (https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2025/01/28/f-35-fighter-jet-crashes-eielson-air-force-base/)

[shovelquest]

I say we just do ww3 then go back to normal afterword's with much less people.

[shovelquest]

Wanna see 82 million dollars go boom? (https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2025/01/28/f-35-fighter-jet-crashes-eielson-air-force-base/)

I feel like we had a f18 or some other crash recently too?

Gen Z pilots suck!

vid!

https://x.com/BNONews/status/1884403526673006977

clearly struck by cartel drone I say we go in hard and fast boys before anyone can cover this up

[Trexller]

that's embarassing

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

nobody said dems voted for trump in droves, except for you. where I describe a cultural shift, you claw for ground in terms that were beaten to death 4 years ago

I work with and have become close with a black gal from the hood (Gary, Indiana) who now has her master’s degree. She said she voted for Obama, and Biden, but then this year switched to Republican and voted for Trump. She said the trans thing (she is pretty religious) and immigration were her two main reasons

I also saw a different female black employee walk out of a mandatory training I was in with about 20 other people when the topic of preferred pronouns came up. She said she will come back in when this section is over

I think some Dems did switch, and if I had to guess, I don’t think the black community especially is very much behind trans ideology and also see immigration as a problem (especially where I live)

[Botten]

I work with and have become close with a black gal from the hood (Gary, Indiana) who now has her master’s degree. She said she voted for Obama, and Biden, but then this year switched to Republican and voted for Trump. She said the trans thing (she is pretty religious) and immigration were her two main reasons

I also saw a different female black employee walk out of a mandatory training I was in with about 20 other people when the topic of preferred pronouns came up. She said she will come back in when this section is over

I think some Dems did switch, and if I had to guess, I don’t think the black community especially is very much behind trans ideology and also see immigration as a problem (especially where I live)

A draft dodger should not be determining who can be in the army and who can’t based on gender identification.

More of the black men and woman voted for Kamala Harris over Biden. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/exit-polls-show-majority-black-085515917.html)

[Elizondo]

A draft dodger should not be determining who can be in the army and who can’t based on gender identification.

More of the black men and woman voted for Kamala Harris over Biden. (https://www.yahoo.com/news/exit-polls-show-majority-black-085515917.html)

He didn't need the majority of their votes

Kamala needed 90%

Hope that helps

[Botten]

He didn't need the majority of their votes

Kamala needed 90%

Hope that helps

Oh hi Elizondo!

In other news:

A new record was broken today in America $2 trillion was lost in the stock market!

Thanks Trump!

[shovelquest]

Oh hi Elizondo!

In other news:

A new record was broken today in America $2 trillion was lost in the stock market!

Thanks Trump!

Woot! Democrats lost their investments! MAGA!

Welcome to the Biden economy bitches!

[Trexller]

it has to be a chatbot

[Botten]

Woot! Democrats lost their investments! MAGA!

Welcome to the Biden economy bitches!

Oh are eggs fixed as promised?

https://stopandshop.com/product/pete-and-gerrys-pasture-raised-large-brown-eggs-1-doz/345701

Oof apparently a lot worse.

https://i.imgur.com/aNO6MWh.jpeg

Thanks Trump!

[Trexller]

Oh are eggs fixed as promised?

https://stopandshop.com/product/pete-and-gerrys-pasture-raised-large-brown-eggs-1-doz/345701

Oof apparently a lot worse.

https://i.imgur.com/aNO6MWh.jpeg

Thanks Trump!

I bought eggs today.

eggs are like 4.99/dozen where I live, and it's a swing state capital

feels alot like if your eggs are $15/dozen, you're just getting ripped off and blaming a politician instead of whatever steps in your supply chain are gouging you

[Trexller]

https://giantfoodstores.com/product/egglands-best-vegetarian-fed-large-white-eggs-1-doz/57874

4.99/dozen eggs on 1-28-25

the store you linked is 236 miles away from me, and the eggs you linked are 10.99

both stores are actually the same company, owned by grocery conglomerate Ahold Delhaize

some people are getting royally screwed at the grocery store, just because they live somewhere dumb enough to pay those prices.

then Ahold stockholders laugh all the way to the bank while their customers pay their gouged prices, while they blame a politician, and our egg prices were never bad under biden either

[shovelquest]

its been 8 days, egg prices are bidens, botten only confirming he's a retard that spent the last 4 years being the obvious lair everyone said he was about bidenomics.

[Botten]

its been 8 days, egg prices are bidens, botten only confirming he's a retard that spent the last 4 years being the obvious lair everyone said he was about bidenomics.

Biden administration you say?

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/01/1440/810/karoline-egg.jpg

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/01/1440/810/karoline-egg.jpg

[shovelquest]

Biden administration you say?

Yep.

[Trexller]

are you guys payin more than 5 bucks for eggs?

i bet it's got nothing to do with the white house

[shovelquest]

The egg prices are rising because of the avain flu that started around 2022. So it's just Biden's mismanagement.

Could have bailed out the chicken farmers that feed america, but we had to bail out the silicon valley investors.

So americans just had to pick up the tab with rising egg prices.

[Trexller]

why are my eggs $5 and everyone else's twice that

the amish?

[shovelquest]

idk they're 5$ for me on amazon.

Some organic fancy looking one is 12... one or two are like 9 or 10. 6... 4.. 3.50...

[Trexller]

im getting the feeling that egg prices aren't out of control at all, it's just a social media scheme.

people are posting pictures of heavily marked up convenience store eggs in a blue state metropolis where everything is gouged because they are dumb enough to pay it

[Reiwa]

are you guys payin more than 5 bucks for eggs?

i bet it's got nothing to do with the white house

6.78 for a dozen jumbo in western WA

[Reiwa]

USDA is probably gonna nix the cull the entire flock rule for bird flu.

It's not a foodborne virus. If you cook the fuckin stuff.

[Trexller]

idk they're 5$ for me on amazon.

Some organic fancy looking one is 12... one or two are like 9 or 10. 6... 4.. 3.50...

maybe california should be removed from state statistics, they are overpaying for literally everything, and their state can't even build a railroad

[shovelquest]

USDA is probably gonna nix the cull the entire flock rule for bird flu.

It's not a foodborne virus. If you cook the fuckin stuff.

but drinking eggs is so manly :(

[Trexller]

USDA is probably gonna nix the cull the entire flock rule for bird flu.

It's not a foodborne virus. If you cook the fuckin stuff.

culling isn't even necessary?

that's kind of insane, it's like they are trying to cause a shortage on purpose.

[shovelquest]

their state can't even build a railroad

This is like the biggest L

Like idk how someone can be from California and be like, "oUr GdP iS HiGhEr ThAn" when literally they don't have water and can't figure out 18th century technology.

But for real. I wish we would build an awesome railroad like china did so we can compete with the god awful domestic air travel system that is totally not functioning at this point.

https://i.imgur.com/4P2K2hA.png

[Trexller]

This is like the biggest L

Like idk how someone can be from California and be like, "oUr GdP iS HiGhEr ThAn" when literally they don't have water and can't figure out 18th century technology.

But for real. I wish we would build an awesome railroad like china did so we can compete with the god awful domestic air travel system that is totally not functioning at this point.

I've had the thought that california is a victim of it's own success. It's always enjoyed economic booms, in the early 1800s it had an agriculture boom, later 1800s the gold rush, then in the early-mid 1900s, cali had the media boom, after that the icing on the cake with the utterly insane silicon valley boom

california's government never had to control their spending because there was always money pouring in, they never had to be good at their jobs because they could buy their way out of any problems, and now they are facing a monster of their own creation, an insatiable maw of bureaucratic spending that evolved out of their hubris and lack of foresight.

[Trexller]

https://i.imgur.com/4P2K2hA.png


It's insane what you can accomplish when you don't have to worry about things like worker's rights, fair pay, environmental impact studies, engineering standards and other annoying business hurdles

that is an advantage for sure

Im certain that there are interests pouring money into screwing up rail travel in the USA. Ford motor company lobbied the crap out of many cities/states to prevent passenger rail in past decades

nowadays im sure that lobby also includes the airlines

[shovelquest]

Yeah if the states were DC superhero's, California would be superman.

And texas would be Bataman.

[shovelquest]

It's insane what you can accomplish when

the united states pays for your railroad.

FIFY :o

We bought that.. while we let our kids go into debt and get hooked on drugs and handed the rest of the economy to the banks.

If we didnt move manufacturing to china, we'd have all of that here. But we sold out. Sold ourselves all out.

And for what? fuckn civil war.

[Reiwa]

This is like the biggest L

Like idk how someone can be from California and be like, "oUr GdP iS HiGhEr ThAn" when literally they don't have water and can't figure out 18th century technology.

But for real. I wish we would build an awesome railroad like china did so we can compete with the god awful domestic air travel system that is totally not functioning at this point.

https://i.imgur.com/4P2K2hA.png

Capable of is a funny clue here. If you stop all the time, you don't reach top speed like ever. And that looks like a lot of stops.

UBiSqyTSKH0

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

A draft dodger should not be determining who can be in the army and who can’t based on gender identification.


You can get disqualified for any number of mental health conditions can’t you? I only know the MH field, but I have clients all the time say they refuse mental health treatment because they want to be able to join the military and don’t want their records pulled

If it causes some form of life stress (in various categories) then it is considered dysphoric, and the majority I believe are

So the only real losers here are trans people who are not dysphoric, and this is a small subsection of a small subsection now

[Trexller]

If we didnt move manufacturing to china, we'd have all of that here. But we sold out. Sold ourselves all out.

And for what?

this was all for no other reason then shareholder dividends, and the massive enrichment of the very few.

americans demanded higher wages, the government demanded taxes and environmental conservation.

30 years ago in china you barely had to pay people, the government wanted you to be there because they are on a long term plan to modernize and make money to fund their commie/fascist dreams, and you are allowed to pollute as much as you want if you can do so without bringing international attention.

[shovelquest]

You can get disqualified for any number of mental health conditions can’t you? I only know the MH field, but I have clients all the time say they refuse mental health treatment because they want to be able to join the military and don’t want their records pulled

If it causes some form of life stress (in various categories) then it is considered dysphoric, and the majority I believe are

So the only real losers here are trans people who are not dysphoric, and this is a small subsection of a small subsection now

Up until the dick Cheney's and john Bolton's of this world made up the democrat party, being a draft dodger was considered smart and cool to democrats. Like from 1960-2016.

Remember trump was a democrat back then, and he did say he was smart not to be drafted (which he was Id shoot anyone who tries to draft me).

[Ekco]

A new record was broken today in America $2 trillion was lost in the stock market!


it wasn't lost, it went somewhere, people that just bought into Nvidia and other tech companies after they've already gone up 9,000% or whatever since covid deserve to have their money taken.

and it's not real until they sell their stonks for a lose. there are people who are still waiting to break even on IBM and Oracle and shit from the dot.com bust.

and oh well the retail investor that would have bet that same money on a football game instead "lost"

all the degenerate leveraged option gamblers lost their money though

also it was 1 trillion this week, your thinking of 6 months ago when it was 2 trillion because of the USD/Yen thing

The sharp rise in the JPY/USD is causing a massive unwind of Yen carry trade positions and contributing to the sharp decline in US stocks. For those who do not understand how this works, a brief explanation

Many traders were borrowing Japanese Yen (JPY) at low, to almost 0% interest rates, converted them to USD and used this to buy US stocks

Now that the Bank of Japan (BOJ) is raising interest rates, the JPY has strengthened significantly against the USD.

Japan’s government is engaged in a GIANT $20 trillion "carry trade“ - the funding of loans and foreign assets by borrowing low-cost yen.

this shouldnt even be legal lol

[Trexller]

yeah the draft was never the best idea, it was culturally more acceptable in like 1940 when everyone had european friends/neighbors and heard about all their relatives dying, WW2 was just the perfect war for patriotism, nations coming together to defeat a common enemy.

but conscripts are never half the soldier that a volunteer is, as long as we have poor people with half a brain, we'll always have reasonable numbers for the military

[shovelquest]

americans demanded higher wages, the government demanded taxes and environmental conservation.

The best part of the devils trick was by moving the manufacturing over there they could poor paint down the drain while we feel validated because the air clears up here.

[Trexller]

The best part of the devils trick was by moving the manufacturing over there they could poor paint down the drain while we feel validated because the air clears up here.

yep exactly, and then they studied the production facilities that we built there, and our processes and nowadays literally anything that anyone manufactures in china is copied and ripped off, and produced cheaper and sold in other markets.

wall street isn't full of dumb people, they had to understand that this is what is happening to their own investments, and that it could not last forever

but it does build a new super power in the world, political conflicts hot/cold wars are good for business

[Ekco]

they literally thought free markets and liberalism would fix China and Russia, that was the original idea behind globalization

it worked for like 5 minutes when the berlin wall came down though, those fucking people wanted freedom and blue jeans

[Reiwa]

they literally thought free markets and liberalism would fix China and Russia, that was the original idea behind globalization

it worked for like 5 minutes when the berlin wall came down though, those fucking people wanted freedom and blue jeans

You can sell more stuff if everyone has money to spend.

[Trexller]

they literally thought free markets and liberalism would fix China and Russia, that was the original idea behind globalization

it worked for like 5 minutes when the berlin wall came down though, those fucking people wanted freedom and blue jeans

what happened to all the liberalism? they sure could use some now, especially the chicoms who followed 1984 like it was an instruction manual for das kapital

[Ekco]

it's a weird hybrid capitalistic oligarchy that claims to be communist or w/e

can't really argue with results though, wtf timmy gonna do tell them communism has never worked while they line you against a wall? lol.

and it will be tiktok NPCs doing the lining up and shooting also

not like our system is doing any better, we're free and everyone is fucking miserable and chinese people are unified and don't care they can't ask about a random dude standing infront of a tank.

[Reiwa]

Like I said, the man just loves paying people not to work (https://www.axios.com/2025/01/28/trump-federal-workers-quit-severance)

[Trexller]

it's a weird hybrid capitalistic oligarchy that claims to be communist or w/e

can't really argue with results though, wtf timmy gonna do tell them communism has never worked while they line you against a wall? lol.

and it will be tiktok NPCs doing the lining up and shooting also

not like our system is doing any better, we're free and everyone is fucking miserable and chinese people are unified.

"Communism with Chinese Characteristics" is the literal wording in their constitution, and means exactly what you said, "weird hybrid capitalistic oligarchy" but I'd add fascist in there somewhere. It's straight up fascist, but you're allowed to make money

the chinese people aren't united so much as they understand what is good for them, if you step out of line and you aren't one of ~800 that gets executed every year, then you're definitely gonna get tortured by state police in a "re-education camp"

they are captives in their own country

[Trexller]

Like I said, the man just loves paying people not to work (https://www.axios.com/2025/01/28/trump-federal-workers-quit-severance)

he's a dealmaker, and that's an offer too good to refuse for alot of people.

it's rather politically adept, nobody can say he's putting people out of work and causing kids to starve, and he's cutting the fat that we all know pervades the federal gov't. if we got competent department heads left over, the staff will fall where they need to.

next year's labor budget is gonna have alot of room

[Lune]

^ how many apparatchik posts do you have to make for Trump to unlock your chastity cage?

[Trexller]

credit where credit is due

the last guy was a zombie

[Lune]

I wonder if these policies apply to federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI and Secret Service, also the IRS? Might be a hell of a good time to start a mafia, counterfeit some money, or just not pay paxes.

[shovelquest]

I wonder if these policies apply to federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI and Secret Service, also the IRS? Might be a hell of a good time to start a mafia, counterfeit some money, or just not pay paxes.

:cool: by all means do some crime so we can clean up this empire

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-us-criminals-other-countries-incarceration-2021789

[Ekco]

this empire


if orange man bad was actually based, he'd start referring to USA as the American Empire instead, like they do in my japanese cartoons

The American Empire has been demonstrating its authority as a military state since the last Great War. However, it started to suffer from a collapsed economy recently. Part of this is due to the reduction of Nuclear weapons as a deterrent now that almost every nation has them and with the Japanese Miracle, fallout is no longer a fear.

Although still a very important nation

America’s superpower status has been giving way to the economic behemoth of Japan in recent years.

oh japan you so funny. fun fact, Japanese people don't have brand loyalty to their own tech companies.

Chinese flat-panel TVs surpass 50% market share in Japan for the first time. In the domestic flat-panel TV market in Japan, the sales share of Chinese companies such as Hisense Group and TCL exceeded 50% for the first time in 2024. The market share of major Japanese companies Sony and Panasonic is less than 10%.4 days ago

and when shirow masamune actually wrote the manga "economic behemoth of Japan" wasn't a joke, it was a legit fear. this was pre lost decade.

pretty sure that's why he's depressed and only draws hentai calendars for the last 20 years instead of more GITS/ Dominon Tank police cyberpunk, doesn't like revisiting the world he envisioned with japan as a key player

[Duik]

I'm sad all of you people are so hot for the fake blonde with daddy issues who is the current WH press secretary.

Barf-A-Rama.

It makes sense though, given many of you like other fakes.

The Moon Shall Rise Again!
You can have your flag back US and A!

[Duik]

It's insane what you can accomplish when you don't have to worry about things like worker's rights, fair pay, environmental impact studies, engineering standards and other annoying business hurdles

that is an advantage for sure

Im certain that there are interests pouring money into screwing up rail travel in the USA. Ford motor company lobbied the crap out of many cities/states to prevent passenger rail in past decades

nowadays im sure that lobby also includes the airlines

There is a recent one to add. His name is elmo. Something something suck tube.

[Ekco]

99IoN2pymfE

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

China right off the bat pulled a Columbia and said fuck off to the US and to their own citizens and refused to take them back

They eventually backed down but once the waves of people start rolling in, you can expect a lot more of this from a lot more countries. I’m guessing these home countries won’t want these people for the following reasons:

- they are often criminals of other crimes due to our current deportation selection process

- they are probably not high skill workers able to easily support themselves

- more people coming = more problems especially to less developed countries

- as other countries find the courage to refuse Trump’s deportations, it will embolden others to do the same

I predict this situation getting a lot worse once people are being bussed in military planes by the thousands and thousands

[Botten]

China right off the bat pulled a Columbia and said fuck off to the US and to their own citizens and refused to take them back

They eventually backed down but once the waves of people start rolling in, you can expect a lot more of this from a lot more countries. I’m guessing these home countries won’t want these people for the following reasons:

- they are often criminals of other crimes due to our current deportation selection process

- they are probably not high skill workers able to easily support themselves

- more people coming = more problems especially to less developed countries

- as other countries find the courage to refuse Trump’s deportations, it will embolden others to do the same

I predict this situation getting a lot worse once people are being bussed in military planes by the thousands and thousands

This is just being advertised by the Trump admin. Trump admin is just making a spectacle of it. Got to push the culture war to prevent the class war; after all. :rolleyes:

This was already happening and happening more during other administrations.

[Reiwa]

This is just being advertised by the Trump admin. Trump admin is just making a spectacle of it. Got to push the culture war to prevent the class war; after all. :rolleyes:

This was already happening and happening more during other administrations.

Botten can have little a class war, as a treat.

https://images.globes.co.il/Images/NewGlobes/big_image/2012/RTR3AMOP-575.jpg

[Ekco]

blue team is waging a class and culture war though lol.

while at the same time being so bad at messaging and politics that it looks like a grand conspiracy by a single group of rich people pretending to hate each-other while actually hating everyone that isn't them

good thing it only appears that way and these people totally don't attend each others weddings and other social gatherings together...

[shovelquest]

Im certain that there are interests pouring money into screwing up rail travel in the USA. Ford motor company lobbied the crap out of many cities/states to prevent passenger rail in past decades

There is a recent one to add. His name is elmo. Something something suck tube.

Not that you care, but it was because it was $55 billion over budget.

[Botten]

blue team is waging a class and culture war though lol.

while at the same time being so bad at messaging and politics that it looks like a grand conspiracy by a single group of rich people pretending to hate each-other while actually hating everyone that isn't them

good thing it only appears that way and these people totally don't attend each others weddings and other social gatherings together...

"pretending to hate each-other?" And "Just and act" LOL

We talking about Elon and Mark challenging each other to an MMA Fight (while at least one was actually training for it)?

Or Trump remarking about Elon where he could have said, "‘drop to your knees and beg,’ and he would have done it,”

Serious....:rolleyes:

[shovelquest]

"pretending to hate each-other?" And "Just and act" LOL

We talking about Elon and Mark challenging each other to an MMA Fight (while at least one was actually training for it)?

Or Trump remarking about Elon where he could have said, "‘drop to your knees and beg,’ and he would have done it,”

Serious....:rolleyes:

bad at messaging

He's right. Botton posts sound like this:

f1JKPa0R1Es

[Ekco]

remind me who gave this autismo power in the first place again?

General Support for Tesla – While tariffs weren’t designed specifically to benefit Tesla, the Obama administration supported the EV industry with incentives like the $7,500 federal tax credit and a $465 million Department of Energy loan that helped Tesla survive and launch the Model S.

thanks o bummer. also, you're a fucking retard Botten lol.

[Lune]

Botten still going after all these years, walking right onto the short bus and rattling some helmets. Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In his lane. Focused. Flourishing.

btw I'll re-iterate, if Trump actually wanted to stop illegal immigration he would crack down on employers who hire them. Rather than make a spectacle of shipping a few planeloads to various countries. Yea those few thousand people are totally going to make a huge difference when there are over 10 million illegals in the US. They're just going to come back, because they know they can get jobs, and just as before, their chance of actually being deported is miniscule.

[Botten]

Botten can have little a class war, as a treat.

https://images.globes.co.il/Images/NewGlobes/big_image/2012/RTR3AMOP-575.jpg

We talking about his complaints about living under occupation?

Or his insistence to push for resistance using social justice due to what he felt was inequality?

Either way we don't need to send Cid into another tailspin on his new account.

[Botten]

Botten still going after all these years, walking right onto the short bus and rattling some helmets. Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In his lane. Focused. Flourishing.

;)

[Botten]

He's right. Botton posts sound like this:

nV-BXfdM2qs

[shovelquest]

pathetic strawman

Oh no! People who have made their entire identity crying about trump think he's incoherent!

[shovelquest]

if Trump actually wanted to stop illegal immigration he would crack down on employers

It's been 9 days. Don't worry he'll get everyone.

And your little dog too!

[Reiwa]

Botten still going after all these years, walking right onto the short bus and rattling some helmets. Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In his lane. Focused. Flourishing.

btw I'll re-iterate, if Trump actually wanted to stop illegal immigration he would crack down on employers who hire them. Rather than make a spectacle of shipping a few planeloads to various countries. Yea those few thousand people are totally going to make a huge difference when there are over 10 million illegals in the US. They're just going to come back, because they know they can get jobs, and just as before, their chance of actually being deported is miniscule.

Wouldn't that be incredibly disruptive to the enomocy? You're just saying it as a gag, right?

[shovelquest]

Why do democrats think that all you have to do is win an election and everything changes overnight?

[Ciderpress]

Botten still going after all these years, walking right onto the short bus and rattling some helmets. Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In his lane. Focused. Flourishing.

btw I'll re-iterate, if Trump actually wanted to stop illegal immigration he would crack down on employers who hire them. Rather than make a spectacle of shipping a few planeloads to various countries. Yea those few thousand people are totally going to make a huge difference when there are over 10 million illegals in the US. They're just going to come back, because they know they can get jobs, and just as before, their chance of actually being deported is miniscule.

Well yes the idea is to do *something* about it rather than nothing and\or actively encourage it per the last admin. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

[shovelquest]

Basically democrats are like, "we said you were going to do SS style street clearings.. why-why-why are you doing everything legally and with decorum?!?"

[Ekco]

bet deepseek won't do this.

https://i.imgur.com/jIRlaTe.png

[Ekco]

Why do democrats think that all you have to do is win an election and everything changes overnight?

they think it works the same as the medications they take,

stressed?, pop a xanny

instant gratification is their religion

[Botten]

Well yes the idea is to do *something* about it rather than nothing and\or actively encourage it per the last admin. Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good.

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o)

[Ekco]

that's why they did a coup against based joe

[Botten]

that's why they did a coup against based joe

Don the Con is just doing his grandstanding with misinformation with the recent ICE work. Biden admin did the same thing only a better job.

[shovelquest]

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o)

Those are title 42 deportations. Those are people who were caught crossing the border. So not really deportations.

Don the Con is just doing his grandstanding with misinformation with the recent ICE work. Biden admin did the same thing only a better job.

What even would it gain for you to prove that increasing deportations would be a good thing for trump to do because you support Biden doing it?

You should be thankful your hyperbole and fearmongering was just that.

[Ekco]

Biden admin did the same thing only a better job.

while telling nobody about it, just like every other accomplishment.

literally the worst ran administration of my lifetime.

i literally can't name a single thing they did in the 4 years other than CHIPS act, and apparently Trump is gonna repeal and replace that with his own shit in Stargate

[Ciderpress]

Lmao. This just in: trump actually in favor of illegal immigration, biden was even more against it than he is.

[Ciderpress]

*Trump cures cancer*

Headline: Is curing cancer really so great?? There are too many people already, we need less people so curing cancer is bad and anyway he only did it because he knows that him and his rich friends will have enough money to survive climate change.

[shovelquest]

*Trump cures cancer*

Headline: Is curing cancer really so great??

This cancer cure is THEFT from pharmaceutical industry!

Actulaly today E Warren begged JFK to swear he'd never sue a pharmaceutical company again.

lol

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/RT6U1UB.png

literally no good side to root for in this AI war except the crypto retards

[Trexller]

If sam altman can't have the real scarlet johanson, he'll just make one who will love him

[shovelquest]

Scott Johanson, in his case :o

[Trexller]

Scott Johanson, in his case :o

didn't he make like 15 offers to get the rights to her voice and likeness?

only one reason a tech nerd would do that

[Ekco]

it's the wrong girl to recreate anyway. real nerds want a Rachel, not the actress that ruined the live action GITS movie.

https://i.imgur.com/ckB5PuZ.gif

[shovelquest]

didn't he make like 15 offers to get the rights to her voice and likeness?

only one reason a tech nerd would do that

oh yea haha I think they did a voice that sounded like her and she made them change it too.

[shovelquest]

it's the wrong girl to recreate anyway. real nerds want a Rachel, not the actress that ruined the live action GITS movie.

https://i.imgur.com/ckB5PuZ.gif

there was a live action GITS movie?!

[Trexller]

there was a live action GITS movie?!

you probably would want to forget you heard such a thing exists

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/BQ3FrpU.png

lol, anything people have typed into that shit in the last 48 hours is gonna end up in a pastebin dump basically.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I am more worried about what’s going to happen to my job with any potential federal Medicaid changes. I had thought we were funded exclusively by the state, but apparently we do get some federal funding as well

And even if it doesn’t affect our jobs directly, any cuts to Medicaid will have ripple effects that will result in the mental health field (and law enforcement possibly) having to pick up the pieces. Also possibly food banks

I’m all for the idea of “tough love” which is removing support on those capable of supporting themselves who have become dependent on that support. But tough love is a long term solution. It is always going to result in a “will get MUCH worse before it gets better” situation

It’s not like when a parent says to a freeloading adult child “no more freebies, son” that the kid straps on his work boots and goes out to get a job. No they first freak the fuck out on the parent. Maybe do some threats. Maybe a little emotional blackmail. Maybe some theft, some property damage. Then after enough time has passed, if they are still alive, they COULD come to the ideal conclusion that all that other shit they were just doing is making life harder on them and getting a job is actually the easier path, even though it doesn’t look like it

This is how I envision pulling benefits plays out on a large scale as well

[Ekco]

you probably would want to forget you heard such a thing exists

i was actually fine with it and enjoyed it cause i went in knowing it wasn't made for me anyway, dude who played Batou actually did a great job imo.

https://i.imgur.com/4ebxREk.jpeg

[Ekco]

I am more worried about what’s going to happen to my job

basically everyone is going to lose their job within the next 5 years anyway.

[Trexller]

basically everyone is going to lose their job within the next 5 years anyway.

tradesmen are safe for a good long time

data processing jobs are gone in 5 years for sure

if you're employed to make one set of bits into another set of bits, or any variant therein, you might wanna learn a new skill.

that's the majority of any jobs that sit in front of a screen

like klaus shwab says, we're going to need people to polish the robots

[shovelquest]

basically everyone is going to lose their job within the next 5 years anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/9kBA7ai.png

[shovelquest]

tradesmen are safe for a good long time

if learn to build becomes a thing I am gonna f'n crack up so hard

[shovelquest]

I watched the trailer for GITS movie and now I really hope that terminator is real life.

[Trexller]

if learn to build becomes a thing I am gonna f'n crack up so hard

we could program machines to stack masonry blocks or line up girders and weld them together

but i cant imagine a robot solving the unpredictable problems you encounter when wiring or plumbing a building, unless we can convince people to eat ze bugs and live in ze pods

construction jobs of any type really are kinda like the challenge of self driving cars, there is always going to be something that you can't plan for, so you can't program a machine to do the job 100% of the time

i havent heard anyone in the tech realm talk about how you would program the ability to reason

[shovelquest]

Yeah no friggen way we're anywhere in the same generation as robot construction crews.

We couldn't even get tesla's to work.

We couldn't even get facebook to work.

[Trexller]

growing up we always imagined that the robots would take the labor jobs

it's weird to see how the AI is gonna take all the white collar jobs, including those that built it

like 99% of office jobs are gone

we used to go to see the doctor for access to their knowledge, nowadays the only difference between the doctor and webmd is a prescription pad

[Ekco]

if learn to build becomes a thing I am gonna f'n crack up so hard

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/141014111252-mike-rowe-smiling-hat.jpg?q=w_2187,h_1458,x_0,y_0,c_fill

the learn to build memes will be glorious, and it's kinda already a thing in places iirc remember seeing news headlines about dem programz but about like welding and bringing back shop class n shit

[Ekco]

I watched the trailer for GITS movie and now I really hope that terminator is real life.

the cartoon is real good, shit blew me away back in like 2004 or whenever it was playing on Adult Swim

AIdSZdwlQZY

laughing man story arc was prescient as fuuuuck, tons of people made laughing man comparisons to the Lugi ceo killer and the Internets response to it

[Trexller]

the learn to build memes will be glorious, and it's kinda already a thing in places iirc remember seeing news headlines about dem programz but about like welding and bringing back shop class n shit

Ivy league trade schools?

in the near future it won't matter what school a lawyer or doctor went to, when everyone's handheld device can provide the entire world's knowledge

[shovelquest]

the cartoon is real good, shit blew me away back in like 2004 or whenever it was playing on Adult Swim

AIdSZdwlQZY

laughing man story arc was prescient as fuuuuck, tons of people made laughing man comparisons to the Lugi ceo killer and the Internets response to it

this isnt teerrrrrible but... its missing a shot of the briefcases turning into guns, and therefore I am sad.

msUF-nAe9uw

But I might watch this tonight.

Still wish for terminator end of humanity tho.

I like this Ai movie.

N5BKctcZxrM

[shovelquest]

Ivy league trade schools?

in the near future it won't matter what school a lawyer or doctor went to, when everyone's handheld device can provide the entire world's knowledge

Most jobs will be likely like china. People building mega structures.

Like Ad Astra.

Either that, or it will be like Elysium.

Hopefully Ad Astra.

Likely Elysium.

[Reiwa]

I am more worried about what’s going to happen to my job with any potential federal Medicaid changes. I had thought we were funded exclusively by the state, but apparently we do get some federal funding as well

And even if it doesn’t affect our jobs directly, any cuts to Medicaid will have ripple effects that will result in the mental health field (and law enforcement possibly) having to pick up the pieces. Also possibly food banks

I’m all for the idea of “tough love” which is removing support on those capable of supporting themselves who have become dependent on that support. But tough love is a long term solution. It is always going to result in a “will get MUCH worse before it gets better” situation

It’s not like when a parent says to a freeloading adult child “no more freebies, son” that the kid straps on his work boots and goes out to get a job. No they first freak the fuck out on the parent. Maybe do some threats. Maybe a little emotional blackmail. Maybe some theft, some property damage. Then after enough time has passed, if they are still alive, they COULD come to the ideal conclusion that all that other shit they were just doing is making life harder on them and getting a job is actually the easier path, even though it doesn’t look like it

This is how I envision pulling benefits plays out on a large scale as well

I don't see major changes to medicaid because it's mandatory spending that requires an act of congress to change which you need 60 senators for unless you can convince the parliamentarian lady that it's budget related for 1 bill per year which they're absolutely using to extend the 2017 tax cuts ASAP. I think he still wants to go after obamacare in next year's session too.

O/U is an Iowa 7. Which ya got?
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/210222151753-elizabeth-macdonough.jpg

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/buvqgwb.gif

[Trexller]

lol roman candles? wheres the shotgun drones? or the thermite drones?

788LkNYSAOE

[shovelquest]

god we can't even fly planes anymore america is cooked.

mwIfbYoCqMk

[Trexller]

wtf that black hawk just flew into an airplane from behind

how is that even possible

something weird af goin on, no evasive action at all

that chopper held a direct intercept course for that airplane, the odds of that happening accidentally have to be low

[shovelquest]

For the retards: it wasn't a targeted attack against a VIP on the plane, and it wasn't trumps fault.

[Reiwa]

For the retards: it wasn't a targeted attack against a VIP on the plane, and it wasn't trumps fault.

VIP on the helicopter. VH-60 "White Hawk" used to be what they used for Marine One.

https://i.imgur.com/JC3VIXB.png

[Duik]

More kit homes (efficiently designed by A.I) with easy-to-understand (and impliment) instructions (also A.I generated) will be available.
Heck Ive built a PAAL kit house 1 day home builders course (for insurance reasons) engineered for snow loading. Tradesman for the elect/gas/plumbing everything else I did. 6months off work that I'd saved for and Dingo! a house.

Based on the thread so far and it has been interesting to say the least. That would be my prediction for the general housing shortage and the "A.I took mer (white collar) jerb" crew.
Cant wait to be told how to ("safely") build a house by DeepSeek. Brought to you by the make a hospital in 2 weeks department of chinese building.

[Duik]

For the retards: it wasn't a targeted attack against a VIP on the plane, and it wasn't trumps fault.

That sounds like something someone would say if they thought it sounded dodgey but didnt want anyone else to know they thought that.

Also the chpper pilot forgot his gun and was in da mood for mass killing.
Nailed it.

[Reiwa]

More kit homes (efficiently designed by A.I) with easy-to-understand (and impliment) instructions (also A.I generated) will be available.
Heck Ive built a PAAL kit house 1 day home builders course (for insurance reasons) engineered for snow loading. Tradesman for the elect/gas/plumbing everything else I did. 6months off work that I'd saved for and Dingo! a house.

Based on the thread so far and it has been interesting to say the least. That would be my prediction for the general housing shortage and the "A.I took mer (white collar) jerb" crew.
Cant wait to be told how to ("safely") build a house by DeepSeek. Brought to you by the make a hospital in 2 weeks department of chinese building.

https://i.imgur.com/Yp1vs6j.png

[shovelquest]

More kit homes (efficiently designed by A.I) with easy-to-understand (and impliment) instructions (also A.I generated) will be available.
Heck Ive built a PAAL kit house 1 day home builders course (for insurance reasons) engineered for snow loading. Tradesman for the elect/gas/plumbing everything else I did. 6months off work that I'd saved for and Dingo! a house.

That's a good idea that could be a thing.

That's basically how koreans build houses.

But even still it's a construction site. I could see a future where there are robot arms doing a lot of this but still, idk that's a wile aways I think.

XkVMjPLUAls

[Trexller]

my money is on this:

vL2KoMNzGTo

[shovelquest]

To be honest if Ai does automate most josbs, and basic income were a thing. With the lack of work I bet building your house yourself would be very popular. People love being house flippers..

imagine if all you had was free time to build a house however you like with ample work/help available.

my money is on this:

I had a friend who was always pushing this on me. Seems like it has potential.

[Trexller]

I had a friend who was always pushing this on me. Seems like it has potential.

yeah it seems dumb to keep building homes out of stuff that burns easily like wood and plastic

[Botten]

Pete Hegseth first few days aren't going so good.

[shovelquest]

yeah it seems dumb to keep building homes out of stuff that burns easily like wood and plastic

I was just thinking that could help garner interest for this process. I wonder.

California does have all thise weird hippy homes without corners so it's already comfortable with the unique style of those 3D printed houses.

IDK how active this industry is though right now, like, it seemed active in the 20teens but idk about now.

[shovelquest]

Pete Hegseth first few days aren't going so good.

I said for the retards it wasn't a trump or secret assassination thing omg.

That sounds like something someone would say if they thought it sounded dodgey but didnt want anyone else to know they thought tha.

Naw, there is just two types of conspiracy theorists: 'deep state assassins' conspiracists and 'Trump did it's.

[Trexller]

I was just thinking that could help garner interest for this process. I wonder.

California does have all thise weird hippy homes without corners so it's already comfortable with the unique style of those 3D printed houses.

yeah would be great for high fire risk or for any home anywhere really, only finishing materials needed

it could make a house based on a finger painting

[shovelquest]

I wonder how it handles earthquakes... Would be funny to see cali be like "we did this new techno future thing!" then the big one hits and 3D printed houses are super weak against earthquakes and everything turns to dust again.

I mean horrible, horrible not funny horrible.

[shovelquest]

See it wasn't trumps fault, he would have done something about it.

https://i.imgur.com/0TTKSQb.png

[Duik]

my money is on this:

vL2KoMNzGTo

I like it. If the hemp reinforced concrete I mentioned elsewhere was used id be there for sure.
Mad creative shapes and all.

[shovelquest]

I want to see a resin house 3D printer.

[Trexller]

I like it. If the hemp reinforced concrete I mentioned elsewhere was used id be there for sure.
Mad creative shapes and all.

yeah this could be reinforced with steel or designed to withstand earthquakes and is pretty much only limited by your imagination

[Trexller]

See it wasn't trumps fault, he would have done something about it.

Biden's FAA is actively recruiting people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ disabilities as part of 'Diversity and Inclusion' plan (https://thepostmillennial.com/faa-is-actively-recruiting-people-with-severe-intellectual-and-psychiatric-disabilities-as-part-of-diversity-and-inclusion-plan)

Under its People with Disabilities Program, the agency says it "actively recruits, hires, promotes, retains, develops and advances people with disabilities." The FAA targets the following disabilities as a matter of policy: "Hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism."

[Reiwa]

Biden's FAA is actively recruiting people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ disabilities as part of 'Diversity and Inclusion' plan (https://thepostmillennial.com/faa-is-actively-recruiting-people-with-severe-intellectual-and-psychiatric-disabilities-as-part-of-diversity-and-inclusion-plan)

Grunts and crayon eaters. Semper fudge.

[Trexller]

Grunts and crayon eaters. Semper fudge.

marines dont behave intelligently unless you put them in a high stress environment, air traffic control would be running like clockwork

[shovelquest]

I wonder how horrific the atrocities future mankind will be.

[Trexller]

I wonder how horrific the atrocities future mankind will be.

oh, mind blowing to say the least

our world is arguably much more divided than pre-ww2 era

war crimes don't seem to matter to anyone anymore

pervasive "Us vs. Them" mentality all around the globe

barely understood world changing technologies in rapid fever pitched development

this is by a wide margin the most interesting times that humanity has ever witnessed unfolding right in front of us

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/76dIMcO.jpeg

lol. even if not true it's gonna happen soon.

even a GITS episode about a military heli getting hacked.

[Botten]

See it wasn't trumps fault, he would have done something about it.

https://i.imgur.com/0TTKSQb.png

How many soldier’s passed. Saw it was labelled deadliest U.S. air crash in nearly 24 years.

Last time preventable deaths (admitted by Trump) of soldiers took place at the beginning of a presidency they blamed the big guy in charge for 4 years.

Who will admit the blame for their loss here? Hegseth or Trump I wonder?

[Ekco]

you're projecting your own rules unto your enemy who clearly doesn't follow them, nor his supporters.

and everyone has been annoyed by this trope going back even to previous administrations, yet you continue this strategy

why?
because you are reverse trolling / concern trolling and are actually a orange man supporter. only thing that makes logical sense.

because otherwise it's insanity, you do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

[Botten]

you're projecting your own rules unto your enemy who clearly doesn't follow them, nor his supporters.

and everyone has been annoyed by this trope going back even to previous administrations, yet you continue this strategy

why?
because you are reverse trolling / concern trolling and are actually a orange man supporter. only thing that makes logical sense.

because otherwise it's insanity, you do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

No, I am sick of one side doing the right thing all the time (like taking ownership).

Clearly the only time the orange voters understand is when their leadership acts the wrong way.

Anonymous, really? Remember the whole "Say their names" thing?

Orange voter excuses should be interesting.

[Ekco]

all i'm saying is it's cringe as fuck, and like sports. most sport team fans are of the fair weather variety.

you and people like you are being selfish you prioritize virtue signaling over actually winning, while the people you claim to care so much about are getting hurt in the meantime waiting for you to admit you were wrong

the entire botnet of people like you need a hard factory reset to the Clinton/Obama values, you've literally cost us much yardage in this game we're 20 yards behind "don't ask don't tell" and on our own 10 yard line.


the wildest part is, it's all because a slut fucked 5 game journalists, lol.

butterfly effect is a mother fucker.
https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/2009369_051817-wls-five-guys-stock-img.jpg

[Botten]

all i'm saying is it's cringe as fuck, and like sports. most sport team fans are of the fair weather variety.

you and people like you are being selfish you prioritize virtue signaling over actually winning, while the people you claim to care so much about are getting hurt in the meantime waiting for you to admit you were wrong

the entire botnet of people like you need a hard factory reset to the Clinton/Obama values, you've literally cost us much yardage in this game we're 20 yards behind "don't ask don't tell" and on our own 10 yard line.


the wildest part is, it's all because a slut fucked 5 game journalists, lol.

butterfly effect is a mother fucker.


When one side understands and normalizes the wrong thing.

The wrong thing is the only thing they understand.

Soooooooooo

rXYYBIPoCM4

[Ekco]

lol, bet 500 bucks on Finland and NATO, get fucked China/Russia.

https://i.imgur.com/oE4pdPL.png
https://i.imgur.com/lOLa8nD.png

[Ekco]

When one side understands and normalizes the wrong thing.

The wrong thing is the only thing they understand.

Soooooooooo

rXYYBIPoCM4

i don't know what any of that means, so here's a youtube link also, in response.

iTW99Qhs6Kg

[Ekco]

"American Airlines collision with helicopter is worst U.S. air disaster since 2001"

is it too soon to make jokes about the amount of kids that are unironically gonna ask what happened in 2001, lol.

[Botten]

"American Airlines collision with helicopter is worst U.S. air disaster since 2001"

is it too soon to make jokes about the amount of kids that are unironically gonna ask what happened in 2001, lol.

Or Guantanamo Bay disaster then after which the orange man is ironically pursuing.

He couldn't get the countries to take theirs back so throw a fit and expand on problem.

oh and this:

Trump floats foreign imprisonment of American criminals who are 'repeat offenders' (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-floats-foreign-imprisonment-us-criminals-repeat-offenders-rcna189522)

It looks like actions such as Elon's salute is showing again by this administration. An Orange voter now ironically needs to get stuck there only for the rest to then say it doesn't matter as long as it owns the libs.

[Ekco]

TIL from Botten today, elections have consequences


Still waiting on the, oh fuck i'm sorry for being retarded and causing all this.

[Botten]

TIL from Botten today, elections have consequences


Still waiting on the, oh fuck i'm sorry for being retarded and causing all this.

We all are still waiting on that from this administration:

Trump Fuels Crazy D.C. Plane Crash Theories With Insult to Army Pilots (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-fuels-crazy-dc-plane-crash-theories-with-insult-to-army-black-hawk-pilots/)

Say their names the anonymous Black Hawk personnel doesn't work. Take ownership Trump or Hegseth.

[Ekco]

President-elect Joe Biden's Leaked Audio (December 2020): In a private meeting with civil rights leaders, Biden cautioned against the "defund the police" slogan, expressing concerns that it could be politically detrimental to Democrats.


Democratic Leaders' Stance on 'Defund the Police' (June 2020): Top congressional Democrats, including House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, distanced themselves from calls to defund police departments, emphasizing the need for reform rather than defunding.


Internal Democratic Party Discussions (June 2020): Some Democratic leaders expressed concerns that the "defund the police" movement could serve as a distraction and potentially harm the party's messaging.

can't find that audio call of all the blue dogs telling the progs their fucking stupid, i know it exists though. was leaked by one side i forget. either way center was correct like they always are

[Ekco]

We all are still waiting on that from this administration:


is this "we" coalition in the room with us right now, Botten? lol.

you're shitposting to a blue dog that doesn't even vote anymore and 2 other Trump supporters

and i unironically question your motivations here

[Botten]

is this "we" coalition in the room with us right now, Botten? lol.

you're shitposting to a blue dog that doesn't even vote anymore and 2 other Trump supporters

and i unironically question your motivations here

too only orange voters

[Ekco]

make a x account then, will get more engagement

want me to make a Botten bot and have it tweet out into the void for ya?

edit: sorry about being so aggro. i quit smoking and actually want to go a vacation like Trexeller did so it's only gonna increase until a mod checks in on off topic and grants my request, figured it would have happened last night

[Botten]

have it tweet out into the void for ya?


No need that happens here.

[Reiwa]

marines dont behave intelligently unless you put them in a high stress environment, air traffic control would be running like clockwork

I think I meant to say they were intending to hire wounded vets by that language.

[Botten]

Oof they are tearing a new one into him blaming after he is now blaming DEI and previous administration.

When about a week ago

Trump fires heads of TSA, Coast Guard and guts key aviation safety advisory committee (https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c)

Lets keep cutting agency here that are necessary to protect us the American consumer.

Save dimes rather than lives.

[shovelquest]

Gabbard hearing:

Are you a traitor? Is edward snowden a traitor? Will you say "I am a traitor or not" WILL YOU SAY EDWARD SNOWDEN IS A TRAITOR??!!

Wtf happened to democrats?

[shovelquest]

he is now blaming DEI.

"Why do you think it was DEI?"

"Because I have common sense."

Case closed.

[shovelquest]

Who will admit the blame for their loss here? Hegseth or Trump I wonder?

No one this was a terrible accident. You can maybe blame the tower operators, or the pilots. If anyone is at fault it's likely the tower operators. The pilot made a pilot mistake not noticing two lights in the night. Maybed they weren't supposed to be wearing night vision, that's been floated but that's about it.

Last time preventable deaths of soldiers took place at the beginning of a presidency they blamed the big guy in charge for 4 years.

Trump didnt say evacuate the airport immediately and if anyone tries to come along with you push them out of the airplanes while they take off. Glad to see you admit hose Biden deaths were preventable though.

You and 4chan can shutup about your conspiracy about it being an assassination attempt against someone on the plane, or it was trumps fault.

1IUJpRwzHZU

[Botten]

"Why do you think it was DEI?"

"Because I have common sense."

Case closed.

Bankrupting a 'Casino' is far from common sense.

closed indeed.

[Botten]

No one this was a terrible accident. You can maybe blame the tower operators, or the pilots. If anyone is at fault it's likely the tower operators. The pilot made a pilot mistake not noticing two lights in the night. Maybed they weren't supposed to be wearing night vision, that's been floated but that's about it.

The military headed by Pete Hegseth or Aviator Advising Committee cut by the Orange man? And anonymous soldiers doesn't fly "say their names," in honor for their service.

[Botten]

You and .... can shutup about your conspiracy about it being an assassination attempt against someone on the plane, or it was trumps fault.

Never said. very ugly statement too.

[shovelquest]

Bankrupting a 'Casino' is far from common sense.

closed indeed.

yes it is casinos should all be bankrupted.

Never said. very ugly statement too.

you and 4chan believe in these bullshit conspiracies.

Ugly statement? You're over here dancing on graves so you can make it political.

[shovelquest]

The military headed by Pete Hegseth or Aviator Advising Committee cut by the Orange man? And anonymous soldiers doesn't fly "say their names," in honor for their service.

Both of the flights were in civilian airspace so it falls under the authority of the FAA.

I am not going to blame pete butigue.

The FAA's Office of Budget and Programs develops FAA budget requests and provides budget justifications to the Department of Transportation

But if you want to blame a politician, there you go.

[Botten]

you and 4chan believe in these bullshit conspiracies.

Ugly statement? You're over here dancing on graves so you can make it political.

Again Never said. very unsightful statements to say.

[shovelquest]

Again Never said. very unsightful statements to say.

The military headed by Pete Hegseth or Aviator Advising Committee cut by the Orange man?

Youre desperate to make this political. You love it. You're happy this happened so you can say OrAnGEmAn BAd!

[Botten]

I am not going to blame pete butigue that is actually in chrage of the FAA which was in charge of both of the flights in the civilian airspace.



But if you want to blame a politician, here you go.



Buttigieg later fired back via X:

"As families grieve, Trump should be leading, not lying."

Despicable. As families grieve, Trump should be leading, not lying. We put safety first, drove down close calls, grew Air Traffic Control, and had zero commercial airline crash fatalities out of millions of flights on our watch.
President Trump now oversees the military and the…

— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) January 30, 2025

[Botten]

Youre desperate to make this political. You love it. You're happy this happened so you can say OrAnGEmAn BAd!

No... just correcting. That's all.

[shovelquest]

So his argument is "for 20 years there has never been an accident on the FAA's watch, until 3 short years after I took over".....

You're right botten, this was a political failure.... You guys fuckn blew it dude.

You took 4 years, and ran every institution this country has into the ground, and made the 1% richer than they ever have been in history.

[Reiwa]

So his argument is "for 20 years there has never been an accident on the FAA's watch, until 3 short years after I took over".....

You're right botten, this was a political failure.... You guys fuckn blew it dude.

You took 4 years, and ran every institution this country has into the ground, and made the 1% richer than they ever have been in history.

There's a joke about convert Catholics vs cradle Catholics. :eek:

[Reiwa]

Bankrupting a 'Casino' is far from common sense.

closed indeed.

Corporate bankruptcy bears little resemblance to personal bankruptcy, especially in purpose.

[shovelquest]

There's a joke about convert Catholics vs cradle Catholics. :eek:

Yes.

I wonder if anything will ever come of this "looks like he turned into the plane" video, or if it was what Mick West said happened.

https://i.imgur.com/I6xa580.png

I think there is a chance it was like a "FUCK YOU GUYS I HATE YOU BOTH" that the pilot may have done a like mass suicide thing... maybe.

But I tend to believe Mick West when he comes out with a theory. I have to guess, that if you were trying to fly behind the plane that he accidentally mistook for the one he was meant to avoid, that turn would have been natural to get behind the oncoming planes forward path.

This sounds totally like a optical mistake... but idk how they avoid it the other 99 million times they fly through each other like spaghetti at airports:

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[shovelquest]

List non warzone fatal black hawk crashes:

2015 Eglin Air Force Base Helicopter Crash

2020 ROC Army UH-60M Crash

2023 Miyakojima Helicopter Crash

2023 Fort Campbell Mid-Air Collision

2023 Tennessee National Guard Crash

2025 Potomic mid air collision.

OK, whatever the military started doing since 2020 needs to stop.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I can’t figure out why the military would be doing a routine exercise near a busy airport

But in regards to why the helicopter pilot didn’t evade….looking at their phone

Why did the air traffic controllers not notice in time?….looking at their phones

[Trexller]

I can’t figure out why the military would be doing a routine exercise near a busy airport

But in regards to why the helicopter pilot didn’t evade….looking at their phone

Why did the air traffic controllers not notice in time?….looking at their phones

We as a society no longer demand excellence, largely because to do so means that you have to tell someone to their face that they are sub-par, they don't make the cut

This makes both parties feel bad, and there is a worse crime then failure in our modern society, feeling bad about and regretting your mistakes.

Make Shame Great Again

[shovelquest]

Make Shame Great Again

ww3 and a draft will really mature gen z.

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[Ekco]

ive never actually finished life of brian, need to add it to the list.

[Reiwa]

I can’t figure out why the military would be doing a routine exercise near a busy airport

But in regards to why the helicopter pilot didn’t evade….looking at their phone

Why did the air traffic controllers not notice in time?….looking at their phones

Petey said "continuity of government" training which I interpret to mean someone to fly the whitetops if their crew/cargo is lost in action.

[Lune]

It was only a matter of time until this happened, been hearing about excessive congestion and understaffed ATC for a long time. Hear about near misses once every couple months, there was a big NYT article on it a year or two ago.

Blaming either Biden or Trump is a pretty dipshit, lizard-brained thing to do in this case. Biden was an empty chair, it was doubtful his handlers were able to interrupt enough naps to get him to look into this, and Trump's fed-firing blitz might have caused some acute chaos, but ultimately it's not like the POTUS office has a magical lever that can be pulled from the resolute desk to manage an intricate system like atc. But its easier for stupid people to think, TRUMP = BAD, PLANE CRASH = BAD, TRUMP = PLANE CRASH, WORLD = SIMPLE, MY TEAM = GOOD.

We'll know exactly what went wrong within the next few years (or maybe not, given the inspector generals were fired), but by then nobody will care or pay attention. Fire-at-the-hip speculation at this point looks like the helicopter pilot was terrible. ATC told him to go behind the plane, and he turned RIGHT (in front of the plane, and toward the airport) instead of left. But when that command was given, the landing plane was on an entirely different vector than when it was struck, so it may have been confusing.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Seconds are critical when it comes to giving and receiving flight instructions from ATC

I have watched probably 15ish different videos of my boy Hoover on the Pilot Debrief channel go over tragic deaths of usually small planes

Makes me never want to go into one of those small planes ever lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtPSkStjRE

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Oh it looks like Hoover did a vid on the Washington crash already too, shorter than his usual ones though

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RzQe6W7vcu4

[shovelquest]

It was totally an interdimensional demon orb UAP antigravitational egg that crashed into the helicopter and the airplane!

[Ekco]

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[Ciderpress]

ATC being understaffed due to DEI quotas is certainly a possibility; if you must hire X number of whatever demographic you will necessarily have to pass over qualified candidates who don't check whatever box you're being asked to select for. But I think people sometimes forget there isn't an infinite supply of people who are capable and willing to study something really hard and actually do it. Sure remove the DEI factor, I think that's a wise thing to do, but it has no impact on how many total people apply for the job in the first place.

Same problem with healthcare debates- good doctors don't just fall out of the sky.

[Ciderpress]

If you need to hire someone specifically because of how incompotant and you need representation what do we think is going to happen.

I honestly don't have a problem with the spirit of affirmative action, assuming standards aren't lowered.

If a black guy and a white guy both apply for the same opening, and they have absolutely equal credentials, I can get on board with giving it to the black guy on the grounds of historical marginalization yada yada. The problem is quotas, and the attendant punishments imposed by not filling them, especially when it comes to critically important jobs that other people's lives depend on.

There is already a critically low amount of people to fill such roles, and arbitrarily shrinking that already tiny hiring pool because of some half baked DEI horseshit does not help.

[shovelquest]

I honestly don't have a problem with the spirit of affirmative action, assuming standards aren't lowered.

If a black guy and a white guy both apply for the same opening, and they have absolutely equal credentials, I can get on board with giving it to the black guy on the grounds of historical marginalization yada yada. The problem is quotas, and the attendant punishments imposed by not filling them, especially when it comes to critically important jobs that other people's lives depend on.

Yeah. The left and right are not opposites. We both want people to have their human right to forge their own future in this country.

But we should be empowering kids not adults. Giving KIDS the keys to the future. Get them to qualify themselves by working for it.

Not giving unqualified adults the keys to the office.