Jboots

[onmove_broke]

This is a good example as to why MQ needs to be removed from the game. The same handful of dudes selling the MQ and preventing others from getting it is just a bad system. I know a guy who just sits and does this all day long and another who has banked 100kpp and is still doing it.

Was MQ ever intended by the devs of the original game? Because it seems some quests can be MQ and some are not so it seems like the ones that are, are just a bug. But I would assume if they removed MQ the population would drop a lot.

[Smoofers]

Intention is secondary to classicness

[Duik]

MQ used properly is good. A NO DROP epic piece (for example) with nobody in zone to loot is wasted. MQ allows at least a chance for it to be used.

You are correct though, the jboot perma-campers fuck everything.

We'd lose more by dropping MQ completely then we would gain IMHO.
I dunno what the answer is, if there even is one.

[Reiwa]

Jboots MQ control reduces jboots supply and make jboots less affordable.

[arvidez]

i would like a fishbone earring, but the same dude has been there for like 5 years.

[Nuggie]

according to supply and demand if this is camped 24/7 there is more in circulation because it's constantly camped. injecting more rings per day than would otherwise be seen. I'd say this is causing prices to drop. for example: this MQ is ridiculously low compared to years past. I'm seeing 4k per MQ on blue. that's reasonably priced IMO.

[Wakanda]

Can someone bump the thread I made about the same problem

Like I don’t mind paying for an MQ, what I do have a problem with is waiting in line for the ancient cyclops when the Druid in front of me has 26 corpses, many of which are decaying, that have the ancient ring on them

At a certain point this violates the PNP since it’s literally zonewide disruption

Like u could do this with a lot of other items, imagine if I just decided I’m going to make it a personal hobby to camp monk pipes indefinitely, effectively making it really difficult for monks to farm this item. This ain’t playing nice, nor is it classic, in true classic someone would just ks or train you and you would get blacklisted, lol.

I feel like these ppl forcing a monopoly on items they don’t need is zone wide disruption, and a direct violation of the PNP, and plan to write a letter to my congressman this fall asking for them do something about it. What was the point of building a wall in misty thicket if elves can still pour in off the eastern shore while humans twiddle their thumbs,

[Jimjam]

A NO DROP epic piece (for example) with nobody in zone to loot is wasted.


A mechanic to incentivise underplayed classes to attend events.

[Wakanda]

Also I may get banned for saying this but I highly encourage y’all to kill hasten every time you see him �� and then message these jboot hawgs from an anonymous level 1 character sad say to them that you are sorry for they loss

And then when they ask what you are talking about be like the body of hasten was just found this morning, it washed up on the shores of lake rathe

[onmove_broke]

MQ used properly is good. A NO DROP epic piece (for example) with nobody in zone to loot is wasted. MQ allows at least a chance for it to be used.

You are correct though, the jboot perma-campers fuck everything.

We'd lose more by dropping MQ completely then we would gain IMHO.
I dunno what the answer is, if there even is one.

I think the solution is looking at things like this and seeing what makes sense as an MQ (like the epic) or what does not make sense (Jboots)

The biggest problem with this server is that it is classic to a point where things the devs did back then would most likely or have already said this was a bad idea. Even Diablo 2 made some QOL changes when they released D2R. Auto gold pickup, bigger stash, increased chance of high rune drops and adjusting skills/items to name a few.

I think it would make sense to revisit many things to see what makes sense as a QOL. For example, Lguk spawns are still 28 min while it is way less in Kunark/Velious zones.

Maybe keep jboots in Najena while maintaining the AC spawns.

If I had a sever, this is something I would do but it is not so it is what it is. However I would not mind seeing a D2R version of EQ where they adjust things like this.

[Novemix]

There's 2 spots the AC can spawn.

I've been out to the oot camp 2-3 times in the past few weeks and it has bee wide open every time.

The AC ring is totally obtainable, I don't think you're trying hard enough.

[onmove_broke]

As soon as the time comes for the AC to pop in Sro you have Good guys and kingdom all over it, so that is a hard pass. The problem with OOT is people get on a list, go fuck off to whatever, come back and demand it is their spot. It's bullshit.

[Jimjam]

So you don't want to compete on a level playing field, but you also don't want to share via a queue?

[Jimjam]

(because removing MQ of jboots will prevent neither of those things. Plenty of times I've seen AC ring drop for alts on the current system. That will just happen more if MQ is removed).

[Novemix]

Oh, wait, you're on green aren't you. Just move to blue. :D

[Nuggie]

or farm halfling guards for a day and pay the douche his bounty.

[Wakanda]

or farm halfling guards for a day and pay the douche his bounty.

I can tell you are an out of touch eq billionaire who hasnt had to work for years

the halfling guards have been nerfed for years now lmao

[Swish]

I can tell you are an out of touch eq billionaire who hasnt had to work for years

the halfling guards have been nerfed for years now lmao

still good "elsewhere"

[cd288]

Having the JBoots MQ available is WAY better than having to do the quest yourself. It's so easy to generate 4k plat, way less time than camping the AC.

[Reiwa]

Having the JBoots MQ available is WAY better than having to do the quest yourself. It's so easy to generate 4k plat, way less time than camping the AC.

Am I not exploiting your regular platinum earnings by MQing jboots to you?

You are paying my jboots mortgage or some such shit. :p

[cd288]

As soon as the time comes for the AC to pop in Sro you have Good guys and kingdom all over it, so that is a hard pass. The problem with OOT is people get on a list, go fuck off to whatever, come back and demand it is their spot. It's bullshit.

What a weird response. You're complaining about one system where it's totally FTE for everyone in the zone. Shouldn't this be EXACTLY the type of arrangement you'd want if you have a problem with the list system?

Separately, in the list system, why on earth would you complain about having the ability to go on the list and then, you know, go do something else instead of having to sit in one place for hours on end?

[onmove_broke]

What a weird response. You're complaining about one system where it's totally FTE for everyone in the zone. Shouldn't this be EXACTLY the type of arrangement you'd want if you have a problem with the list system?

Separately, in the list system, why on earth would you complain about having the ability to go on the list and then, you know, go do something else instead of having to sit in one place for hours on end?

Are you a fucking retard? You liberals sure have a skewed view of reality

[WarpathEQ]

Maybe the /list works different for AC, honestly never camped it because its way easier and more efficient to farm the money and buy an MQ. More than happy to pay someone to waste hours sitting there farming an item for me while I actually get to play the game and enjoy what I'm doing and making the money to pay for their time along the way.

Reviewing the Wiki details it looks like the proximity component was removed for AC's /list but you still have to be in the zone and completing the AFK checks to remain on the list. There wouldn't be an incentive for someone to maintain their spot on the list without actively engaging in killing the PH/AC on spawn.

To the extend that occurs the Q&A type details on the wiki suggest that the CSR would intervene if someone was for example sitting in zone semi-afk only completing the checks to stay on the list and not actively interacting with the camp. So if you run into that just /petition. It also appears that there is still a 1 week timeout in play once you're knocked off the list (although some of this may be outdated info on the wiki)

[Jimjam]

Are you a fucking retard? You liberals sure have a skewed view of reality

Are you a fucking retard? You liberals sure have a skewed view of reality

[cd288]

Are you a fucking retard? You liberals sure have a skewed view of reality

First, politics are not allowed on these forums per staff rules, so please restrain yourself. Although given your join date and post count, I would imagine you've already been banned for things like this comment, so maybe you're fully aware.

Second, way to not respond to my post at all. if you don't like waiting on a list, but you don't like the SRo dynamic where it's fully FTE, what exactly is the system you would propose?

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Are you a fucking retard? You liberals sure have a skewed view of reality

Are you highly regarded? You leaders sure have a succinct view of reassurance

[ygammay]

i would like a fishbone earring, but the same dude has been there for like 5 years.

I successfully camped one on my druid roughly 6 months ago quite quickly....

[onmove_broke]

Imagine camping a spawn for 15 hours a day on a 20 year old elf sim...not just once but every single day

[onmove_broke]

First, politics are not allowed on these forums per staff rules, so please restrain yourself. Although given your join date and post count, I would imagine you've already been banned for things like this comment, so maybe you're fully aware.

Second, way to not respond to my post at all. if you don't like waiting on a list, but you don't like the SRo dynamic where it's fully FTE, what exactly is the system you would propose?

Are you gonna go cry now? You must be proud of your life, sitting on a 20 year old elf sim crying about rules of 0's and 1's made up by people who have no life.

[Xer0]

I successfully camped one on my druid roughly 6 months ago quite quickly....
I mean yeah you *can* get lucky, but the spawn point has a ~6% chance for the pop to be AC. Every time I've done it, it was between 6-8 hours. The camp is stupid and so is anyone that expects everyone on the wait list to stay there for 8 hours waiting for the people on the list prior to them to get theirs. My druid is just bound at the camp ;)

[Jimjam]

I logged in to EQ today. Was in S Ro as I had been drop transferring deluxe tool boxes to a troll alt last session.

It happened to be 9pm, I saw a sand giant up so engaged it, dismissing it as that round's spawn from the AC spot.

To my surprise, I saw a second giant fighting the dark elf merchant - I ran over to see it was an ancient cyclops - and it was losing it's battle.

Quickly I took aggro on the merchant, snaring her and the sand giant I had previously aggroed.

I then ran the AC toward the swamp as I'd already removed my alt from the desert.

Being careful to ensure I did more damage to AC than the merchant had, I killed it and logged out. I already have a spare ring on my wizard.

Quickly as I could, I logged in my troll and ran it to S Ro straight from guk warden.

Sadly, I got the corpse in sight and saw it had 3 seconds remaining: I didn't manage to loot the ring before the corpse rotted.

Anyway, the point is, if you are punctual to be in S Ro it is possible to find uncontested AC some times, just be careful to ensure it doesn't decide to suicide on the merchants before you engage it. And if your character already has boots / ring it is good to have an alt parked in place - you may not be able to get to the corpse in time if you have to cross several zones.

[Jimjam]

I just realised, my previous post may come across as me bragging having so many JBoots rings coming out my ears that letting one rot is little more than an afterthought. That would be a dick move for me to post about so I just want to make it clear: that is exactly what I was doing.

[cd288]

Are you gonna go cry now? You must be proud of your life, sitting on a 20 year old elf sim crying about rules of 0's and 1's made up by people who have no life.

/shrug

You're the one who came on complaining about the list system. If you don't like it, there's another system available in S Ro.

If you don't like that one either, and you're trying to push for change, then you need to be able to specifically articulate what it is you actually want. Which you don't seem to be able to do.