Is Primal weapons being unattainable really true classic?

[Wakanda]

IMHO no, not at all. I remember almost everyone's twink on my server having primal weapons (it's why they later added a level requirement for them).

I remember not being able to sell my Horn of Hsagra once I got my primal weapon. I couldn't even get 10K for it. Namely because primal weapons were basically the first version of welfare loot in an MMO imho and almost everyone and their alts had them.

I'm not even trying to advocate that they change this on P99 Blue either, but I don't think Primal weapons were ever intended to be this rare or prestigious, and that Luclin launching shortly afterwards made these items significantly less impactful in the traditional timeline of the game.

Discuss ITT: were Primal weapons really rare and prestigious or is this hearsay

[Duik]

Incomming "sorry you dont got" messages from captain sweatpants and his mate creapy weird comicbook guy.

[Ripqozko]

SYDG

[Snaggles]

If you are in a primal motivated (racers) guild with keys, very possible.
If you are in a primal agnostic guild with keys, somewhat possible (see: Draft)
If you’re guild that doesn’t get keys, not possible

[Andyman1022]

Sorry I don’t got primal

[Smoofers]

Incoming UN thread by kittens arguing they deserve primals because they can only play 2 hours per week

[magnetaress]

Voted false AND need new red 2.0

[magnetaress]

Ppl on sullon zek had primals late in the timeline btw

More ppl should have them

[Wakanda]

Incoming UN thread by kittens arguing they deserve primals because they can only play 2 hours per week

I'll be honest I don't play any melees on P99, so I don't really have a snake in the game, but I feel like Primal's are bad for the game in general. I managed to get my hands on a few of them on the Mischief TLP and it was a pain in the ass having to swap the primal weapon in and out every 2 minutes, even with the bandolier system. I feel like P99 prob better if no one has to worry about that non-sense.

[Wakanda]

Voted false AND need new red 2.0

I feel like if they did a new PVP server right now that it might be popular for a while since we haven't had a new P99 server in a second. I think a faction based server (like Sullon Zek) could be better because it makes you feel safe or cozy in certain zones, or areas, or at certain times. I spent a lot of time on Sullon Zek. I can't say I ever enjoyed the actual PVP, and that the game felt more like a horror survival game where I was frequently hiding and running for my life, but it was fun.

But also there was times where it felt completely safe, our team would take over Paludal caverns for a few hours, and then it would swap hands etc.

[Duik]

Baaahhhhhahahahaha.
Pick a subject, any subject and the tragic p99 BvB (Boxer v Boxer) crowd say blah blah new red99 would blah and a bit more blah.
It's not happenin.
Get over it.
Like im over NEVER seeing a primal etc. Also what is a primal...

[cd288]

Incoming UN thread by kittens arguing they deserve primals because they can only play 2 hours per week

Let's make fun of people who have lives and things to do and don't dedicate all their time to an emulated server of a 25 year old game!

[Toxigen]

meows in primal weapons

[Wakanda]

Baaahhhhhahahahaha.
Pick a subject, any subject and the tragic p99 BvB (Boxer v Boxer) crowd say blah blah new red99 would blah and a bit more blah.
It's not happenin.
Get over it.
Like im over NEVER seeing a primal etc. Also what is a primal...

The only reason I even thought about it is because I was reading the melee forums and people just suggesting get a primal as a one solution fixes all, and then I realized oh wait. This is the meta, but it's not even achievable for a large % of the player base, and then I thought about how silly it is that sleeper being awakened permanently on live servers was no big deal because the timeline rapidly evolved to Luclin and PoP and then on.... P99 it's just like huh? what?

Like I seriously don't care, and wouldn't play a melee. I would prob get perma banned from the game if I played this role. I played an SK and literally quit the game for 1 year at level 30 because I was constantly OOM since I was the puller and tank, and it turns out DPS too, but then half the mobs I pull I'm literally solo'ing because my group is AFK etc. Like melee is just a really crappy role. Can't solo. Has to work 10 times harder in groups. Needs way more $ for gear but again can't solo.

I don't know why anyone plays these classes in 2024 ;)~ but at the same time it's like oh, primal weapons that were the OG welfare loot that everyone and they grandmother's twink had are these ultra rare and elite items that only a select few get and it's like... nah it wasn't like that on my server at all lmao. They were the welfare loot, literally.

I think the sleeper being awoken permanently only made sense in a world where you're selling a new expac in a couple of months. Not in a world where you're stuck in this content for the next 100k years. But honestly I would be more inclined to remove them from existence altogether than to respawn the sleeper. Just not a fun or balanced item. Always remember there's a reason why there's no manastones on TLPs despite the fact that they would make a lot of money for Darkpaw Games.

[Wakanda]

I would prob get perma banned from the game if I played this role.

To elaborate on this since I lost my chain of thought. When I was playing my SK I was at fireplace in Unrest. I had the dude in hag tower literally levitating over to place where the hand spawns and killing it and all the mobs over there, regularly coming down to bar and killing barkeep. Then I had MR stealing our mobs too. I started getting really irritated because I'm the puller who is having to deal with this while my group is AFK half the time and twiddling their thumbs, only showing up to ask me why I'm not pulling any mobs rather than actually helping. And then a GM randomly shows up and accuses me of KS'ing because I decided that if Hag Tower is going to steal my mobs that I'm going to start pulling Hags. Literally.

Like you have to be a special level of dumb to deal with this daily. It's like playing a Jungler in League of Legends. Doesn't matter how good you are or aren't. You're just asking to get banned if you aren't brain dead.

[aaezil]

Incoming UN thread by kittens arguing they deserve primals because they can only play 2 hours per week

You seem obsessed with this kittens guild

[WarpathEQ]

Are we really talking about something that consistently drops on a weekly basis as unattainable? There is more primal weapons on any P99 server than there ever were on live.

There is a mage epic thread already started for folks that want to apply the woke mind virus to why they should be handed everything. Better yet there is a whole different project called quarm that is built around everyone holding hands and getting free items with no effort, sounds like that would be a better fit for folks that identify with this thread.

[Toxigen]

Are we really talking about something that consistently drops on a weekly basis as unattainable? There is more primal weapons on any P99 server than there ever were on live.

There is a mage epic thread already started for folks that want to apply the woke mind virus to why they should be handed everything. Better yet there is a whole different project called quarm that is built around everyone holding hands and getting free items with no effort, sounds like that would be a better fit for folks that identify with this thread.

lol

[Rygar]

Just carry emeralds and make a shaman feel valuable by casting avatar. They will gladly do so, helps them stay awake between casting slow at the raid.

[Rimitto]

What's a "Primal Weapon"?

[Jimjam]

A primal, or ‘prime’, weapon is a weapon that can only be divided by itself and one. It is available online through amazon in energy drink format.

[WarpathEQ]

A primal, or ‘prime’, weapon is a weapon that can only be divided by itself and one. It is available online through amazon in energy drink format.

^EQGPT

[hagglebaby]

I read in another thread that these things rot in VP all the time. Are these unattainable because it's hard to get into VP? Or because they actually never rot and the thread I read was outdated/wrong?

[Toxigen]

primals dont rot and they dont drop in vp

[WarpathEQ]

I read in another thread that these things rot in VP all the time. Are these unattainable because it's hard to get into VP? Or because they actually never rot and the thread I read was outdated/wrong?

Primal weapons drop in Sleepers tomb and are in high demand due to Avatar being one of the best buffs in the game. Items do rot in VP all the time because a lot of weapons drop there and many of the weapons are comparable to stuff you can get for relatively cheap in the tunnel. Velious really ramped up the weapons in a way that made Classic/Kunark weapons not very good.

[hagglebaby]

primals dont rot and they dont drop in vp

Yes I got confused. Here is what he wrote in response to someone asking about warrior twink weapons:

"Vp key your lvl 1 and pick up rot weapons, some of which are good threat. Get PD robe. Get lvl 5 get full SS, ring 9/10, get str of elements, get 6 neck, get 2 bob and piss off everyone. Get crown of rile or KT helm. ST key your lvl 5 and pick up a rotting primal lance , farm bow from library. Get Peggy/jboots. Should be good then."

Sorry no link, don't have time to learn that right now

[skulldudes]

pretty sure we all know who posted that guidance lmao

[hagglebaby]

pretty sure we all know who posted that guidance lmao

sounds kind of fun. Can you not get good rots in VP? Do you also agree that primal lance wouldn't be rotting in ST?

[skulldudes]

you can probably get some very mediocre rots in vp? idk i'm not keyed, it has a lot of garbage and it's a PITA to get in but for certain classes it has some really, REALLY good shit and those items will always be sought after by the ppl who put in the effort to get there in the first place.

and, while i don't doubt it's a thing that has happened at some point in time, i think you would likely find yourself very disappointed if you were actually banking on scooping up even a 2hp primal rot. they're just *that good* for every single auto-attacking character in the game.

[hagglebaby]

you can probably get some very mediocre rots in vp? idk i'm not keyed, it has a lot of garbage and it's a PITA to get in but for certain classes it has some really, REALLY good shit and those items will always be sought after by the ppl who put in the effort to get there in the first place.

and, while i don't doubt it's a thing that has happened at some point in time, i think you would likely find yourself very disappointed if you were actually banking on scooping up even a 2hp primal rot. they're just *that good* for every single auto-attacking character in the game.

Thanks. Maybe paying for loot rights?

[Samoht]

primals dont rot

The lance rots all the time... or at least they did predraft before Vanquish got griefed off the server.

[Duik]

So, they are now the past tense? Vanquished?

[Wakanda]

yall had me mad shook and questioning whether or not i said primals drop in VP lol

[Wakanda]

Are we really talking about something that consistently drops on a weekly basis as unattainable? There is more primal weapons on any P99 server than there ever were on live.

There is a mage epic thread already started for folks that want to apply the woke mind virus to why they should be handed everything. Better yet there is a whole different project called quarm that is built around everyone holding hands and getting free items with no effort, sounds like that would be a better fit for folks that identify with this thread.
what server is yall talking about

like primals in general are problematic, its why they was given a level requirement on real servers lol

like they prob arent good for the game, but they also werent these super rare and unattainable things on my server 20+ years ago

they were the first good example i ever saw of welfare loot, which obviously isnt good

it just seems weird to me as a blue player to see people talk about how primal is this really rare item that very few players have access to and how thats classic

like nah classic was primals for everyone

[Wakanda]

i think i get annoyed that so many people played p99 for so long they dont remember what real classic was like

to them classic was p99 10 years ago


some of us only discovered p99 a few years ago

i remember the first time i saw someone with treant fists on p99 green, soon after it opened

i couldnt believe they had this item, it was super rare to the point i remember the best monk on our server rage quitting the game after he spent months in the beholder's maze trying to get the alchemist to spawn (this was back when treant fists had complete heal, yall prob like huh? what you mean??)

like their are literal comments from back then on the allhakahazam (sp?) page that confirm the alchemist never spawned and talking about the complete heal, but then i have people from p99 tell me treant fists were always this super attainable medicore item and its like... yeah. thats not a true classic experience though. the item was ridiculously op at the time and it was really, really, REALLY hard to get, lol. worse than an epic.

i see the misremembering of how dime a dozen primals were very similarly

like im more annoyed at how people misremember true classic than i am the fact that someone can get nerfed treant fists easily

or how primal weapons are somehow being remembered as tehy really rare unattainable items

its just super... not accurate for anyone who can still remember 25 years ago.

[Wakanda]

also PKT and reed belt were ultra rare on my server, i know people who camped bilge for 6 months, multiple people competing for this spawn day in and day out and never got him. so when i saw reed belt and pkt on p99 green literally everywhere as soon as the server opened, i was at first flabbergasted but quickly realized its just not classic

there are still old auction prices for these items from pre kunark going for 20k+ pp because how rare they were. i also remember when runed mithril bracers were 5kpp on my server.

not because the royals werent perma camped around the clock, but because the drops were super friggin rare in true classic.

[Wakanda]

also not being kos to sarnaks or chardok is also not classic, lets keep it real af lol

i remember the first time i discovered the sarnak braids, i forgot the name of the item, but you can wear them as a bracer, shoulder, and i think some other slot.. item that has +atk

i was like oh wait the sarnaks have to love you??? at the time that was insane. people like to re-write history, but true classic was literally EVERYONE leveled in the sarnak fort / LOIO, lol.

the fact that sarnak fort is completely empty now speaks volumes. yall want to make real classic, give sarnak fort insane exp bonus or something. I always try to explain this to my friends who only discovered p99 / eq through me because they think it's classic to level in the same 4 zones... and its like nah.... no one was leveling in any of these zones in true classic, lol. dungeons were seen as a place you went to get $. People werent exclusively leveling in UR, Mistmoore, CoM, KC etc.

LOIO, FM, OT, DL was super packed. And yes it was boring, but true classic was LOIO, not UR. Anyone saying otherwise is being WILD.

I dont hate the changes on P99 tho obviously, like CT being a kind of cool zone because of ZEM is nice. I just wish they would change these ZEMS to where it changes up regularly, maybe on a monthly basis, that way its not the same exact places every single character i level, lol. i actually feel like there was more diversity in leveling back in the day, lol.

I remember being in nurga when 9/11 happened because it was a hot zone (and most people were leveling in giant fort at FM anways). this was actual classic. dalnir was a hot zone as well and worth the travel. i feel like this is something they could do better. not even indefinitely, like im not saying force everyone to level in weird out of the way places, but true classic was actually leveling in dalnir or nurga or fm or loio. this set in stone leveling path where i just tell you where to go based off of what level you are is super not classic, lmao. i didnt even use CoM as a kid. like yeah i went there, but it wasnt the only place to level. Hell, I spent more time in TOFS during the same level range.

[Toxigen]

drugs

[Toxigen]

Yes I got confused. Here is what he wrote in response to someone asking about warrior twink weapons:

"Vp key your lvl 1 and pick up rot weapons, some of which are good threat. Get PD robe. Get lvl 5 get full SS, ring 9/10, get str of elements, get 6 neck, get 2 bob and piss off everyone. Get crown of rile or KT helm. ST key your lvl 5 and pick up a rotting primal lance , farm bow from library. Get Peggy/jboots. Should be good then."

Sorry no link, don't have time to learn that right now

Do you have any idea how much it takes to get all that, nevermind on a level 5?

That is the sweatiest of sweaty.

[Botten]

Ppl on sullon zek had primals late in the timeline btw

More ppl should have them

Wait you played on Sullon Zek?

Do you remember a character by the name of Davidn?

[Rygar]

The level 55 requirement on primals was always on there in velious. Same with limits on Club of the Ice Ocean and various other items. The flag was simply invisible and later (Luclin? PoP?) They just made it visible is all, so started popping up in screenshots.

Not sure why you are making some lame revisionist history argument that a level 55 limit was implemented due to mass supply and everyone on the server had one.

If there is lack of primals on p99 it's because warders never spawn anymore, was classic they can drop something ridiculous like 6 primals a kill plus rare items.

[Solist]

Do you have any idea how much it takes to get all that, nevermind on a level 5?

That is the sweatiest of sweaty.

Dude the worst is getting your doze loots all ready to mq for when you ding 46 and waiting with excitement for a glowing orb for once.

And having to wait to be able to click sow sword.

[Kirdan]

I think a lot of people are mistakenly remembering Ancient Prismatic weapons. They were functionally identical to Primal weapons, but they dropped from the revamped ST mobs and were not relevant for long due to the influx of other new sources of stats/atk. Actual Primal weapons were the opposite of "welfare loot" on live.

[Crawdad]

IMHO no, not at all. I remember almost everyone's twink on my server having primal weapons (it's why they later added a level requirement for them).

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Discuss ITT: were Primal weapons really rare and prestigious or is this hearsay

There's no way, it was a very slow grind for Primals. We were the 2nd guild on the server to get enough ST keys on Live, which meant that the Sleeper was immediately released before we got any chance at dragons. Losing out on dragons was a huge blow to gearing up, it adds weeks and weeks of what should be an easy source of upgrades for NToV.

Now, once they revamped ST and you had Ancients to kill, yes, people had their primals. But from Velious until ~month or three into Luclin, they were very rare and bagged only once into NToV+.

Luclin launching shortly afterwards made these items significantly less impactful in the traditional timeline of the game.

It took a while for Luclin itemization to get there, it was weeks before Ssra Temple even had drops.

[Rimitto]

Weird question... but what era were "primals"?
I played in the velious era back in the 00's but never heard or saw them.

[Rygar]

Keep in mind in Velious on live you couldn't even get a primal until sometime like 6 months into the expansion. Basically by the time the top guild got keyed and entered all the mobs were level 1 humans with "!" in front of their name, including invis non-targetable mobs like the ones that do the zone shouts. The zone was incomplete and completely unitemized. Imagine the tears on a fresh Green where they mimic that timeline and give all guilds 6 months to key up.

OP is indeed full of shit saying primals flooded live during Velious. Boo this man!

[Crawdad]

If there is lack of primals on p99 it's because warders never spawn anymore, was classic they can drop something ridiculous like 6 primals a kill plus rare items.

This is lost on a lot of people. Pre-awakening you could get ~20 primals on a good night, plus other great loot, off not very hard mobs if you left Ventani up. Post-awakening you were getting maybe 6 primals and nothing else, . It was a crazy bottleneck practically designed for the top raiding guild to block everyone else.

Weird question... but what era were "primals"?
I played in the velious era back in the 00's but never heard or saw them.
From ~6months into Velious until Ssra was itemized. ST is an easy zone, its just difficult for some people to get in to. VT was a similar loot pinata but even more gated, whereas Ssra items (particularly Cursed and Creator) let non-bleeding edge guilds gear up substantially.

[azeth]

This is lost on a lot of people. Pre-awakening you could get ~20 primals on a good night, plus other great loot, off not very hard mobs if you left Ventani up. Post-awakening you were getting maybe 6 primals and nothing else, . It was a crazy bottleneck practically designed for the top raiding guild to block everyone else.


From ~6months into Velious until Ssra was itemized. ST is an easy zone, its just difficult for some people to get in to. VT was a similar loot pinata but even more gated, whereas Ssra items (particularly Cursed and Creator) let non-bleeding edge guilds gear up substantially.

No shit, we did all of this here. thank you for your hyper nostalgic input

[Reiwa]

No shit, we did all of this here. thank you for your hyper nostalgic input

Is my man flexing 5 years ago or 23 years ago? 🤨

[Duik]

It's never been about what they have, it's about they can deny others.

[Duik]

Damn. One little mistake.

[Crawdad]

No shit, we did all of this here. thank you for your hyper nostalgic input

Here's OP again since I think you missed it:

Default Is Primal weapons being unattainable really true classic?
IMHO no, not at all. I remember almost everyone's twink on my server having primal weapons (it's why they later added a level requirement for them).

I remember not being able to sell my Horn of Hsagra once I got my primal weapon. I couldn't even get 10K for it. Namely because primal weapons were basically the first version of welfare loot in an MMO imho and almost everyone and their alts had them.

I'm not even trying to advocate that they change this on P99 Blue either, but I don't think Primal weapons were ever intended to be this rare or prestigious, and that Luclin launching shortly afterwards made these items significantly less impactful in the traditional timeline of the game.

[Duik]

Does not make what OP is saying true, just that is their recollection.

I disagree, Prexus certainly did not have welfare primals for everyones alts. At least not when i finished playing a little after moon pussies dropped.
Does not make my recollections any more true either.

[Rimitto]

Does not make what OP is saying true, just that is their recollection.

I disagree, Prexus certainly did not have welfare primals for everyones alts. At least not when i finished playing a little after moon pussies dropped.
Does not make my recollections any more true either.
How do you even know you're from the same world as OP?
The Mandela Effect is strong with this one.

[Duik]

Can you even parse correctly?
Get ya human on here and ask him to read it again but use smaller words or pokemon references.

[Rimitto]

You remember a world where whatever these "primal weapons" things were popular.
I remember a world where bags could be placed in other bags.

Let's just call it what it is, alternate realities.
Steins;Gate has clearly made it's choice.

[Solist]

Keep in mind in Velious on live you couldn't even get a primal until sometime like 6 months into the expansion. Basically by the time the top guild got keyed and entered all the mobs were level 1 humans with "!" in front of their name, including invis non-targetable mobs like the ones that do the zone shouts. The zone was incomplete and completely unitemized. Imagine the tears on a fresh Green where they mimic that timeline and give all guilds 6 months to key up.

OP is indeed full of shit saying primals flooded live during Velious. Boo this man!

Like how we gave blue guilds 1.5 years of keying for VP and over 40 people retired from the game keyed before the #2 guild got its 6th key. But they never opened or released VP here… same thing.

[Kruel]

my necro has a 2hb primal.. come at me

[Croco]

my necro has a 2hb primal.. come at me

congrats, you do approximately 1/4th of a paladins worth of melee dps

[adruidarkly]

timelocked servers become less and less classic each moment the next expansion doesn't launch

theres really two different things occurring on p99. those who want a classic experience of the first two expansions, and a raiding metagame. imo a good setup would be that once you experience all content on the classic progression/leveling server, notably by participating in a repeatable wake event, it movelogs your participating character to the (unclassic but "fun") raid meta server where the rewards are ramped up and exp loss is lowered, and all toons are 55+ via ST zone restrictions.

[Kruel]

congrats, you do approximately 1/4th of a paladins worth of melee dps

it isnt about the deeps.... its about bathing in salty tears

[reznor_]

SYDG

sorry they dont got

[Misek84]

The drop rate is seriously lower on P99 than back in the original game. I was in a smaller raiding guild in original game and the only barrier to getting a primal was getting the key. Once you got a key you would get a primal really quick cause they dropped like candy.

[Ciderpress]

The drop rate is seriously lower on P99 than back in the original game. I was in a smaller raiding guild in original game and the only barrier to getting a primal was getting the key. Once you got a key you would get a primal really quick cause they dropped like candy.

That would make sense when velious was live because they knew another expansion was gonna be developed and people would need those weapons to progress through the new, harder content.

[fortior]

What do you mean unattainable? They drop every week.

[Ciderpress]

I think people think primals are the gnome mask

[meathook]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=434418

Now you too can get a primal weapon, by getting a free ST key.

[TheIrateTurk]

Hey guys what is a primal weapon asking for a friend thanks