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Penish
06-03-2024, 04:43 PM
Thoughts?

also lol

DeathsSilkyMist
06-03-2024, 04:46 PM
As a reminder, be wary when playing with Penish in game. He will purposely waste your time by grouping with you under false pretenses. He will record video of you in an attempt to make you look bad, and then leave the group abruptly. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...7&postcount=23 - You can read this thread and see hard evidence of this.

He doesn't have the courage to post these videos, because he knows it will just show two things:
1. He shows that he doesn't know how the game works. He records video of people using normal strategies and assumes they are bad play.
2. He shows that he is indeed grouping with people under false pretenses. His true purpose is trying to record videos of people playing poorly

Penish
06-03-2024, 04:47 PM
lol

cd288
06-03-2024, 04:50 PM
FYI your link doesn't work

DeathsSilkyMist
06-03-2024, 04:58 PM
FYI your link doesn't work

Thanks! Copy/Paste error.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3652957&postcount=23

cd288
06-03-2024, 05:13 PM
Sounds like he needs to post the video or he's a pussy

DeathsSilkyMist
06-03-2024, 05:15 PM
Sounds like he needs to post the video or he's a pussy

I've been asking him to post the video lol. As it stands, your assesment is correct.

Croco
06-03-2024, 05:37 PM
Thoughts?

also lol

Engage with at your own peril. One of the worst people to attempt a conversation with on the forums. Basically like talking to a brick wall that can speak but doesn't actually say anything worthwhile.

Either unemployed or retired because they basically live on the forums. Don't ever expect to get the last word in any kind of conversation or debate as they check each thread religiously and/or have them all set to follow to get a notification when anyone has posted so they can go make sure they get the last word.

Disingenuously accuses people of trolling while being actually one of the worst trolls on here.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-03-2024, 05:55 PM
Engage with at your own peril. One of the worst people to attempt a conversation with on the forums. Basically like talking to a brick wall that can speak but doesn't actually say anything worthwhile.

Either unemployed or retired because they basically live on the forums. Don't ever expect to get the last word in any kind of conversation or debate as they check each thread religiously and/or have them all set to follow to get a notification when anyone has posted so they can go make sure they get the last word.

Disingenuously accuses people of trolling while being actually one of the worst trolls on here.

Typical nonsensical response full of lies and inacurracies. You can't back any of this up.

Please show me an instance where I called someone a troll disingenuously.

Jimjam
06-03-2024, 06:16 PM
Keeps discussions alive. Not afraid to disagree. Has lots of knowledge and experience in their area, and takes the time to provide anecdotes and maths to support their arguments.

The place would be less active without them!

DeathsSilkyMist
06-03-2024, 06:25 PM
Keeps discussions alive. Not afraid to disagree. Has lots of knowledge and experience in their area, and takes the time to provide anecdotes and maths to support their arguments.

The place would be less active without them!

Thanks! You are one of the posters who makes this forum a better place.

We don't agree on everything, and that is perfectly fine. You are a good debate partner on the whole.

Keep it up!

cyxthryth
06-03-2024, 06:45 PM
Please show me an instance where I called someone a troll disingenuously.

I present the below=linked thread as irrefutable evidence - which cannot be refuted - of MULTIPLE instances of you calling/labeling/identifying/referring to me/my posts as "a troll"/"trolling" disingenuously:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

Trexller
06-03-2024, 07:10 PM
OP can post the video

Or

Forever be known as Penish the Pussish

Trexller
06-03-2024, 07:20 PM
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

That thread is 100+ pages

You're definitely a troll

magnetaress
06-03-2024, 07:38 PM
Love you DSM. I just want you to know you are loved by someone. I may not be able to be there for you in game or IRL butt I do care.

Evia
06-03-2024, 08:19 PM
I dunno what beef yall got going here but I've enjoyed both of you as posters on these forums at one point or another.

Sounds like you two need to hug it out or something.

busted
06-03-2024, 08:31 PM
You guys are about to break the forum with this thread ��

Swish
06-03-2024, 10:00 PM
I like him.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-04-2024, 12:48 AM
I dunno what beef yall got going here but I've enjoyed both of you as posters on these forums at one point or another.

Sounds like you two need to hug it out or something.

Thanks!

Agreed, Penish used to post better. I hope he retuns to form. I have no problems conversing with him when he is acting civil.

I like him.

I like you too!

Love you DSM. I just want you to know you are loved by someone. I may not be able to be there for you in game or IRL butt I do care.

Right back at you! Can't wait to see 10k post officially. RnF is sadly ignoring your posts towards the total count.

Trexller
06-04-2024, 12:52 AM
Penish used to post better.

the name is Pussish now

DeathsSilkyMist
06-04-2024, 12:52 AM
the name is Pussish now

Lol.correct. He still won't post the video.

Toxigen
06-04-2024, 08:38 AM
lol

cd288
06-04-2024, 12:47 PM
Keeps discussions alive. Not afraid to disagree. Has lots of knowledge and experience in their area, and takes the time to provide anecdotes and maths to support their arguments.

The place would be less active without them!

I agree. While I won't lie there are some claims by DSM that I've found absurd, and sometimes his comments can be needlessly nitpicky on certain mechanics/ideas, etc. but at the end of the day that sort of debating is part of what makes MMOs great...and especially what makes EQ great.

Toxigen
06-04-2024, 12:56 PM
https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923&page=468

Ripqozko
06-04-2024, 12:58 PM
DSM is what the new kittens are all about, join at your own risk.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-04-2024, 01:20 PM
DSM is what the new kittens are all about, join at your own risk.

You keep spamming the same message over and over, while everyone ignores it. I am not sure why you think this nonsense is effective.

I'll be curious to see what your next nonsensical spam message will be. You change them randomly from time to time, but they never get better sadly. They have all been ignored thus far.

If you must troll, at least be good at it.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-04-2024, 01:21 PM
I agree. While I won't lie there are some claims by DSM that I've found absurd, and sometimes his comments can be needlessly nitpicky on certain mechanics/ideas, etc. but at the end of the day that sort of debating is part of what makes MMOs great...and especially what makes EQ great.

Thanks!

Toxigen
06-04-2024, 01:53 PM
DSM is what the new kittens are all about, join at your own risk.

you may find yourself being meow'd at by fully grown men

magnetaress
06-04-2024, 05:44 PM
Meow ( not a kitten either )

*happy freedom month

Penish
06-04-2024, 07:06 PM
bros i gotta cycle the aggro

Trexller
06-04-2024, 10:54 PM
bros i gotta cycle the aggro

post the video Pussish

Duik
06-04-2024, 11:38 PM
I been finkin' I met a bunch of lesbian motorcyclists at a bike show.
We chatted a bit and one said they were thinking of starting a womens bike club.

This was it! My time had arrived. I quietly suggested it be named The MenstralCycles.

She told me they will never find my body.

cd288
06-05-2024, 09:49 AM
post the video Pussish

Love a good RNF backfire

Toxigen
06-05-2024, 10:18 AM
Love a good RNF backfire

well said games dead

Philistine
06-05-2024, 02:07 PM
Keeps discussions alive. Not afraid to disagree. Has lots of knowledge and experience in their area, and takes the time to provide anecdotes and maths to support their arguments.

The place would be less active without them!

Agreed

Penish
06-12-2024, 03:33 PM
you guys are awesome haha

while dsm is special

Lysander
06-13-2024, 01:31 AM
Keeps discussions alive. Not afraid to disagree. Has lots of knowledge and experience in their area, and takes the time to provide anecdotes and maths to support their arguments.

The place would be less active without them!

Someone totally gets it. Y'all forum warriors who brag that you get to live rent free in DSM's head don't get it. You guys think you're so clever, bumping his threads, and trying to goad reactions out of him, putting his quotes in your signature. He's the one that lives rent free in yours. I've never seen so much obsession over a guy by the people who supposedly hate him.

Like Jimjam says he's keeping the forums alive, as you guys complaing forum quest is dead. People are gonna remember DSM like Fansy. No one is gonna remember penish.

Toxigen
06-13-2024, 07:41 AM
see sig

DeathsSilkyMist
06-13-2024, 10:15 AM
Someone totally gets it. Y'all forum warriors who brag that you get to live rent free in DSM's head don't get it. You guys think you're so clever, bumping his threads, and trying to goad reactions out of him, putting his quotes in your signature. He's the one that lives rent free in yours. I've never seen so much obsession over a guy by the people who supposedly hate him.

Like Jimjam says he's keeping the forums alive, as you guys complaing forum quest is dead. People are gonna remember DSM like Fansy. No one is gonna remember penish.

Agreed! I hope they can get over their obsession one day.

see sig

Yes, please look at Toxigen's signature. It marks him as an obsessed troll. He will do the same to anybody who disagrees with him. It makes him look bad, but he is too silly to realize it.

Toxigen
06-13-2024, 01:14 PM
DSM just learned in mid June of 2024 that AoW flurries and his paper napkin math was wrong.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-13-2024, 01:49 PM
DSM just learned in mid June of 2024 that AoW flurries and his paper napkin math was wrong.

Toxigen didn't read the thread lol. As you can see, he is just making stuff up.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-13-2024, 01:52 PM
The question was how many attacks he gets off flurry, and if he is doing two attack rounds in quick succesion, or a single attack round.

All nuance is lost to trolls like Toxigen unfortunately. They are looking for a gotcha moment, rather than a discussion.

There is no easily googleable resource that I could find that actually describes how many attacks flurry gives.

Naethyn
06-13-2024, 06:06 PM
Does rune prevent flurry?

DeathsSilkyMist
06-13-2024, 06:45 PM
Does rune prevent flurry?

That's an interesting question. Rune stops VS's lifetap proc, which is why you use it on that fight.

I don't recall ever seeing a rune chain on AoW. In the EQEMU code flurry was tied to doing combat rounds, so I doubt it would stop it.

Penish
06-13-2024, 11:51 PM
special

Toxigen
06-14-2024, 08:33 AM
Does rune prevent flurry?

lol

Rygar
06-14-2024, 10:06 AM
If enough clerics spam heal chained, c heal chained, and casted Divine Intervention on a chain then any class could truly tank AoW. DSM isnt wrong here, it just becomes a probability exercise at that point.

DeathsSilkyMist
06-14-2024, 10:54 AM
If enough clerics spam heal chained, c heal chained, and casted Divine Intervention on a chain then any class could truly tank AoW. DSM isnt wrong here, it just becomes a probability exercise at that point.

I did address some of the more technical points on this matter here:

https://project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3688095&postcount=4691

After thinking about it more, I don't think you can prevent being one shot, even with Divine Intervention, assuming it works as the wiki describes.

I do appreciate yourself and Trexller for the support! There is nothing wrong with having these kinds of discussions, and AoW isn't a normal fight.

Toxigen
06-14-2024, 12:34 PM
sig

Ripqozko
06-14-2024, 02:41 PM
If enough clerics spam heal chained, c heal chained, and casted Divine Intervention on a chain then any class could truly tank AoW. DSM isnt wrong here, it just becomes a probability exercise at that point.

Nah, def keeps most tanks from getting one shorted. Disc and good heals. Max round can take out most tanks even non disc. Doesn't matter how instant your chain is if they cannot survive a single round max.

Penish
06-14-2024, 04:06 PM
bro, maff

Trexller
06-14-2024, 05:31 PM
bro, maff

Post the video

DeathsSilkyMist
06-14-2024, 11:49 PM
Post the video

He won't. The only thing it is proof of is Penish groups with people under false pretenses to troll them.

I can simply point to other videos I've made showing me soloing harder content. This blows his skill issue theory out of the water.

We never started the test. He simply got too eager due to not understanding game mechanics like testing pet pathing, cycling agro, starting tests at 100% HP/Mana to reduce variables you have to take into account, and not wanting to wait 30 minutes because you killed the mobs you were supposed to test with.

I do hope he posts the video. It'll just show people he's not someone they want to group with.

Jimjam
06-15-2024, 12:59 AM
Pathing in KC can be a nightmare. Totally fair to experiment and do camp cycle if needed imo.

Trexller
06-15-2024, 01:17 AM
i feel like at this point everyone knows every bit of pathing in kc

it's the only zone that anyone PUGs in

Jimjam
06-15-2024, 01:35 AM
i feel like at this point everyone knows every bit of pathing in kc

it's the only zone that anyone PUGs in

Idk i managed to train a pull thru RCY to LCY while eyeballing the little guard room on the way to VS prep room from under the parasol in LCY the other day. That caught me off guard!I thought they’d have come down by the well!

DeathsSilkyMist
06-15-2024, 02:30 AM
i feel like at this point everyone knows every bit of pathing in kc

it's the only zone that anyone PUGs in

There was another group XPng nearby, and I saw my pet run down the rampart and into the castle. You'd see me mention this in the video if he ever posts it.

Didn't want to risk affecting the XP group for a test. Unlike Penish, I am not going to screw over other players.

Irespectwomen
06-29-2024, 01:37 PM
DSM will die on every hill he plants his feet but he makes some good points and provides a lot of evidence and theories to back up his arguments, he is definitely someone to engage with in good faith but also someone who will never concede or be convinced otherwise. I enjoyed his "Shaman - best race?" thread but I also saw him try to shoehorn Shaman into the "best 4 caster class group" when Shaman is clearly not a part of that equation even if said Shaman is end game Torpor. It is clearly Ench,Ench,Nec/mage and Cleric. Ok, take care *naruto runs from thread to never return*

fortior
06-29-2024, 07:09 PM
someone who dies on every hill isn't someone to engage with in good faith. the goal of discussion threads should be truth-finding and not 'being right'.

the whole shtick would be less annoying if DSM was some kind of old head raider, or an incredible nolifer with 5 BIS toons, or someone with multiple botb titles or whatever, but hes got zero accolades and still posts as if he's the authority on things.

the only positive aspect of DSMs existence on these forums is that his tendency to confidently say wrong things makes people correct him, and sometimes we as a whole learn new things in the process.

Trexller
06-29-2024, 07:35 PM
So come up with a better counter point and explain it in such a way that it cannot be refuted

fortior
06-30-2024, 09:46 PM
So come up with a better counter point and explain it in such a way that it cannot be refuted

this assumes an antagonistic discussion instead of a cooperative one. the former is for suckers. the latter for academics.

Trexller
07-01-2024, 12:51 AM
translation: "I don't have a counter point"

fortior
07-01-2024, 01:03 AM
translation: "I don't have a counter point"

I’m glad you translated from English to Stupid to help other posters like yourself. This is the kind of collaboration the forums could use more of

Pulgasari
07-01-2024, 01:19 AM
this assumes an antagonistic discussion instead of a cooperative one. the former is for suckers. the latter for academics.

Cooperative discussions are nothing more than group Toobining writ large.

fortior
07-01-2024, 01:29 AM
Cooperative discussions are nothing more than group Toobining writ large.

This statement says something about yourself but is otherwise meaningless

Pulgasari
07-01-2024, 01:40 AM
This statement says something about yourself but is otherwise meaningless

I'm used to meaninglessness from your ilk.

fortior
07-01-2024, 02:16 AM
I have no idea who you are or why I should care which mental folder you’ve filed me into, but I wish you the best

Pulgasari
07-01-2024, 11:45 PM
I have no idea who you are or why I should care which mental folder you’ve filed me into, but I wish you the best

Stop centering yourself, Daniel. You're not that guy pal.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-02-2024, 12:54 AM
So come up with a better counter point and explain it in such a way that it cannot be refuted

Exactly.

People spend so much time and energy trolling. They don't realize this just makes them look foolish, and it ruins their credibility.

They could make a video and write a thesis proving me wrong in half the time it takes them to spam threads over and over with nonsense.

Trexller
07-02-2024, 01:14 AM
well DSM we gotta be fair here, its fun to be on both sides of trolling

douche bag

DeathsSilkyMist
07-02-2024, 01:16 AM
well DSM we gotta be fair here, its fun to be on both sides of trolling

douche bag

Lol this is RnF, go hogwild!

cyxthryth
07-02-2024, 01:16 AM
So come up with a better counter point and explain it in such a way that it cannot be refuted

That's very easy and many posters do exactly that.
When you do so he ignores those posts.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-02-2024, 01:18 AM
That's very easy and many posters do exactly that.
When you do so he ignores those posts.

It's always good to see people agree on one thing in the 4 player caster group thread. That is to ignore Cyxthryth. It is unfortunate that his trolling is so bad that even the trolls recoil.

cyxthryth
07-02-2024, 01:25 AM
It's always good to see people agree on one thing in the 4 player caster group thread. That is to ignore Cyxthryth. It is unfortunate that his trolling is so bad that even the trolls recoil.

You haven't ignored me, you just ignore my posts because they call you out for not providing evidence to support your claims. The posts are exclusively directed only at you, so nobody else is expected to need reply to them (though they're all obviously welcome to since it's a public forum and an open discussion!).

Trexller
07-02-2024, 01:29 AM
so yeah uhh

if you get 4 casters of any combo, they are gonna be able to get alot of shit done

so maybe, the question is what 4 casters can get the most done

in which case it's still ench ench ench cler

DeathsSilkyMist
07-02-2024, 01:30 AM
You haven't ignored me, you just ignore my posts because they call you out for not providing evidence to support your claims. The posts are exclusively directed only at you, so nobody else is expected to need reply to them (though they're all obviously welcome to since it's a public forum and an open discussion!).

Everybody can see your posts are not acknowledged or quoted by anyone. Just look at your last boute of spam. Even the trolls don't want to get involved.

I won't respond to you any more here. It's just sad to see how badly you are failing at something as simple as trolling.

cyxthryth
07-02-2024, 01:33 AM
Everybody can see your posts are not acknowledged or quoted by anyone. Just look at your last boute of spam. Even the trolls don't want to get involved.

That's just false though, and I am not sure why you would want to make ADDITIONAL unsubstantiated claims (especially ones that you simply CANNOT substantiate). It's really not a good look for you.

I won't respond to you any more here. It's just sad to see how badly you are failing at something as simple as trolling.

The "responses" you have given so far have just been dodging the fact that you have provided zero evidence of Shaman root rotting multiple mobs parallel to their group, and have provided zero camps which need a Shaman. You've simply embarrassed yourself, and if you think me pointing that out makes me a troll that's just your opinion - which you are entitled to.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-02-2024, 01:33 AM
in which case it's still ench ench ench cler

Still disagree!

cyxthryth
07-02-2024, 01:34 AM
in which case it's still ench ench ench cle

Agreed!

Trexller
07-02-2024, 02:14 AM
Still disagree!

really? what combo of 4 casters could accomplish more than ench ench ench cler?

i guess i gotta clarify "accomplish" which would be "to kill the toughest mob"

DeathsSilkyMist
07-02-2024, 10:00 AM
really? what combo of 4 casters could accomplish more than ench ench ench cler?

i guess i gotta clarify "accomplish" which would be "to kill the toughest mob"

I posted a reply in the caster thread if you want to take a look.

Naethyn
07-02-2024, 10:20 AM
Enc, Enc, Enc, Enc, Clr, War is the best hole group I've been in.

fortior
07-06-2024, 05:56 AM
so yeah uhh

if you get 4 casters of any combo, they are gonna be able to get alot of shit done

so maybe, the question is what 4 casters can get the most done

in which case it's still ench ench ench cler

you probably want malo for ST trash and need a wiz for hate

Tann
07-06-2024, 03:44 PM
So I know it's a 100% proven fact that racial regen beats FSI, but I'd like to see some counter arguments to this data driven and highly accurate statement.

Trexller
07-06-2024, 07:14 PM
So I know it's a 100% proven fact that racial regen beats FSI, but I'd like to see some counter arguments to this data driven and highly accurate statement.

Well that will add a few dozen pages to the thread, and 1-2 real life hammer assaults

putrid_plum
07-07-2024, 11:47 AM
48 pages later...

DeathsSilkyMist
07-07-2024, 02:16 PM
Well that will add a few dozen pages to the thread, and 1-2 real life hammer assaults

This is RnF. Tann can spout nonsense here. That's what RnF is for!

Duik
07-07-2024, 03:37 PM
Speaking of sprouting nonsense!

DeathsSilkyMist
07-07-2024, 04:59 PM
Speaking of sprouting nonsense!

Yes, you are another speaker of nonsense. Thanks for admitting it!

Trexller
07-07-2024, 07:36 PM
Yeah consider all the time you actually spend face tanking versus the millions of extra hp you will regenerate over decades and decades of game play.

Then make a barbarian so that your surname can be mcclure or wallace and you can pretend to be in the movie braceheart, don't worry about the night blindness, you won't be doing much seeing anyway after all the brain damage from hitting your head on doors

Trexller
07-07-2024, 07:38 PM
They may take our lives, but they will never take, Our Nerddom!

Penish
07-07-2024, 08:20 PM
i knew dis thread would age well, lol

DeathsSilkyMist
07-08-2024, 11:59 AM
i knew dis thread would age well, lol

Poor Penish trying to save face after his thread completely backfired. Post the video please.

cd288
07-08-2024, 12:02 PM
i knew dis thread would age well, lol

Where's the video pussy?

Toxigen
07-09-2024, 09:28 AM
Enc, Enc, Enc, Enc, Clr, War is the best hole group I've been in.

ayup

Rygar
07-10-2024, 12:56 AM
Enc, Enc, Enc, Enc, Clr, War is the best hole group I've been in.

I'm very out of touch with things around here, but with that many enchanters wouldn't subbing 1 out for a necro actually be better? Can charm the undead in there (which destroy mobs) and have additional utility like twitches for cleric. There are even a few good areas to fear (which is great if enchanters have rogue pets, especially Rocksoul).

I would think a Paladin may be better if you're just looking for some kind of agro control on charm breaks/pulling?

That being said, there are some amazing untapped potential areas in the Hole. Dare I say even some argument for DSM's root/rotting group fantasy. Especially if you are crawling to certain areas, you don't need to kill everything before moving on. There are something like 300+ mobs in that dungeon, many high density areas off the beaten path. Can easily root/epic on an engage, enchanters kill the agro mobs, move on. When root breaks maybe it brings friends/free pulls.

Toxigen
07-10-2024, 09:42 AM
I'm very out of touch with things around here, but with that many enchanters wouldn't subbing 1 out for a necro actually be better? Can charm the undead in there (which destroy mobs) and have additional utility like twitches for cleric. There are even a few good areas to fear (which is great if enchanters have rogue pets, especially Rocksoul).

I would think a Paladin may be better if you're just looking for some kind of agro control on charm breaks/pulling?

That being said, there are some amazing untapped potential areas in the Hole. Dare I say even some argument for DSM's root/rotting group fantasy. Especially if you are crawling to certain areas, you don't need to kill everything before moving on. There are something like 300+ mobs in that dungeon, many high density areas off the beaten path. Can easily root/epic on an engage, enchanters kill the agro mobs, move on. When root breaks maybe it brings friends/free pulls.

enc can charm the undead too

more stun, more aoe mez

cleric aint never running oom all they gotta do is CH the war and pets, literally sitting 90% of the time

DeathsSilkyMist
07-10-2024, 11:08 PM
I'm very out of touch with things around here, but with that many enchanters wouldn't subbing 1 out for a necro actually be better? Can charm the undead in there (which destroy mobs) and have additional utility like twitches for cleric. There are even a few good areas to fear (which is great if enchanters have rogue pets, especially Rocksoul).

I would think a Paladin may be better if you're just looking for some kind of agro control on charm breaks/pulling?

That being said, there are some amazing untapped potential areas in the Hole. Dare I say even some argument for DSM's root/rotting group fantasy. Especially if you are crawling to certain areas, you don't need to kill everything before moving on. There are something like 300+ mobs in that dungeon, many high density areas off the beaten path. Can easily root/epic on an engage, enchanters kill the agro mobs, move on. When root breaks maybe it brings friends/free pulls.

You're not out of touch. 3 Enchanters is overkill due to DPS thresholds. There isn't a camp anyone has named that would utilize three Enchanters. Subbing one Enchanter for a Necro would be fine, and give you more utility.

As for root/rotting in a group, it isn't a fantasy. As you point out, there are places where this is easily doable. People simply deny reality because they don't like the idea of root/rotting doing good DPS. It hurts their other DPS related arguments.

Trexller
07-10-2024, 11:22 PM
we are officially out of EQ related topics to discuss

the entire forum is now declared to be off-topic

Naethyn
07-10-2024, 11:45 PM
The hole has enough mobs to support 6 players. 4 enchanters with 4 rog pets. 1 warrior to make sure they are all backstabbing (aggro doesn't matter). 1 cleric to heal everyone and stun command the tank on inc.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-10-2024, 11:47 PM
The hole has enough mobs to support 6 players. 4 enchanters with 4 rog pets. 1 warrior to make sure they are all backstabbing (aggro doesn't matter). 1 cleric to heal everyone and stun command the tank on inc.

I don't think people make four player static groups so they can XP in the hole forever. You don't need four Enchanters to quickly XP to 60.

Naethyn
07-10-2024, 11:56 PM
I showed up as a duo war/clr and invited every enchanter who was soloing and it was easily the best grouping I’ve done.

Naethyn
07-11-2024, 12:00 AM
https://youtu.be/ofA7bMND9NM?si=fpzv0SuPbsEBW8rF
Here is one of the enchanters I invited.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-11-2024, 12:02 AM
I showed up as a duo war/clr and invited every enchanter who was soloing and it was easily the best grouping I’ve done.

I've had amazing hole groups that weren't simply full of Enchanters. When you have a great group in a great zone, you get great XP.

7thGate
07-11-2024, 12:07 AM
I really don't feel this argument. There's a bunch of places you can utilize the DPS of four charmed pets for a full group. The hole is one, siren's grotto can easily support a full group, I'm pretty sure DN has enough mobs to support a full group. Kael Arena probably can, Plate House and Blam Stick hobbits definitely can.

You just need to be somewhere that isn't Karnors. Many places are not significantly mob limited with the current server pop levels.

4x enchanter, warrior+cleric does sound pretty sweet, honestly. Just a buzzsaw of charmed death.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-11-2024, 12:13 AM
I really don't feel this argument. There's a bunch of places you can utilize the DPS of four charmed pets for a full group. The hole is one, siren's grotto can easily support a full group, I'm pretty sure DN has enough mobs to support a full group. Kael Arena probably can, Plate House and Blam Stick hobbits definitely can.

You just need to be somewhere that isn't Karnors. Many places are not significantly mob limited with the current server pop levels.

4x enchanter, warrior+cleric does sound pretty sweet, honestly. Just a buzzsaw of charmed death.

I am not saying it is a bad group. But people aren't making four man static groups to XP in the hole forever Four man static groups are the context of the discussion.

The reality is you can XP quickly in the hole without that specific group, and the point of leveling is to get to 60 so you can do something besides level.

Toxigen
07-11-2024, 08:29 AM
https://youtu.be/ofA7bMND9NM?si=fpzv0SuPbsEBW8rF
Here is one of the enchanters I invited.

and he called that a big pull

tee hee hee, oh sweet summer child

Rygar
07-12-2024, 12:30 AM
https://youtu.be/ofA7bMND9NM?si=fpzv0SuPbsEBW8rF
Here is one of the enchanters I invited.

Saw luclin elementals and wrote vid off as trash, insta dislike

Trexller
07-12-2024, 12:37 AM
OMG what psycho is playing P99 with luclin models on?!

this person needs to be 302'd immediately for their own safety

Rygar
07-12-2024, 12:45 AM
Indeed. Small penis confirmed. Hopefully migrates to WoW soon.

DeathsSilkyMist
07-12-2024, 12:50 AM
Luclin models do indeed look bad. I'll always take the classic models.

TomisFeline
07-14-2024, 06:05 AM
Op you are too old to be trying to bully someone.
You also aren’t very good at it.

Instead of reducing dsm’s confidence you have given him both sustenance and recognition.

In other words, he feeds on your hate, you dunce.

Penish
07-19-2024, 10:27 PM
lol dude got banned with 100 posts

Rimitto
07-24-2024, 02:27 PM
lol dude got banned with 100 posts
looks like he got unbanned... how mysterious. :)

TomisFeline
09-22-2024, 03:28 PM
I never got banned. Penish on bath ��?

Hannibal
10-21-2024, 04:30 PM
Some folks were talking about Enc/Enc/Enc/Clr as the best group.

I understand the DPS, but it seems squishy.

Would it not make more sense to have a druid in that mix? Symbol + Aegis + PotG is pretty nice as a stack. Add in Thorns for some extra DPS and Regen, hooray you. Snare is always nice too if the mob is a runner, although I run DE Cleric and use the Snare Clicky Neck. You'd also get some spot heals and someone who can quickly grab pet break aggro if things start to slide.

I can see why no melee classes, but Druid (or even Shaman due to Malo) seems like a better fit than the 3rd Enc in the line-up if you are hoping to avoid losing people. Maybe the suggestion just implies a random Enc will fall and the others can cover during Rez Effects?

My experience is only duo'ing with chanter on my 60 Cleric and 60 Druid (using Duel), I don't play chanters directly, so my knwloedge is limited.

Naethyn
10-21-2024, 04:34 PM
That's why I like War/Clr/Enc/Enc/Enc/Enc. Positioning backstab mobs. Highest dps tank with the best mitigation. Zero need for snap aggro.

shovelquest
10-21-2024, 04:35 PM
you can just rez the enchanters like hell divers.

shovelquest
10-21-2024, 04:35 PM
Or like epic mage pets with their own epic pets

Rygar
10-23-2024, 01:00 AM
6 MONKS!

I duo'd with Zentile in the Hole, he had fist of nature and I think sap encrusted branch. His gear was raid level, i was basic EC/epic. We melted golems with him tanking.

With 6 fungi's and FD for bad pulls/afk breaks, every 6 mins a 12(?) second warrior defensive discipline, and mend... can take on anything. and no squishy.

Slow is irrelevant due to your mitigation and DPS, heals not needed. Single round of bind wound will elevate a group member beyond 50%.

Imagine you all had T-staffs or chain stun weapons (adamantite club, etc). All with epic you're 71% hasted constantly no mana.

We finally found it folks.

Jimjam
10-23-2024, 02:42 AM
That group would have slowstone ambers for when they really need it.

WarpathEQ
10-23-2024, 09:29 AM
This thread is severely lacking in mathematically supported conclusions...

Keebz
11-22-2024, 12:26 AM
New DSM meltdown thread dropped https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416125

Action starts on page 4, but using a _normal distribution_ it starts on page 6.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-22-2024, 01:37 AM
New DSM meltdown thread dropped https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416125

Action starts on page 4, but using a _normal distribution_ it starts on page 6.

It's another Troxx meltdown thread. He spent 20+ pages throwing a tantrum because he didn't want to post any evidence for his claims.

Supposedly he's finally got some logs he wants to show. But he must PM it to Bcbrown first so he can go through it... Troxx can't post his own logs in the thread.

I just don't understand why Troxx has to spam threads all the time. He could have just posted these supposed logs and saved us 20+ pages.

Duik
11-22-2024, 02:19 AM
Boing!

Troxx
11-22-2024, 09:57 AM
Thread was like 20 months old when it was necro bumped on the 7th of November.

As with all DSM threads, hilarity ensued and is ongoing. Thread is still pretty “young” for a DSM thread. I don’t think anything will compete the most epic dumpster fire on these forums:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

Jimjam
11-22-2024, 10:28 AM
Chill your beans Troxx :)

DeathsSilkyMist
11-22-2024, 10:45 AM
Thread was like 20 months old when it was necro bumped on the 7th of November.

As with all DSM threads, hilarity ensued and is ongoing. Thread is still pretty “young” for a DSM thread. I don’t think anything will compete the most epic dumpster fire on these forums:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

It will always amaze me how he keeps posting that thread. It is the thread that showed everybody he is a troll, and will not provide data to back up his claims. Why he thinks this will hurt me, I will never understand.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-22-2024, 05:47 PM
Only you thinks that anyone is trying to "hurt you". You live in a world of complete delusion where people owe you anything and your "evidence" is superior to everyone else's simply by virtue of the fact that you posted it. You are extremely good at one thing: posting gibberish and thinking it to be relevant or profound in some way. You're nothing more than a barnacle on the metaphorical hull of these forums.

Certain posters have a clear pattern of attacking me with strawman attacks, lies, delusions, trolling, etc., across many threads. There is plenty of evidence to support this. You are one such poster funnily enough. I don't think I have seen you make a post related to me that doesn't look like this. Your idea of me is a complete delusion. You just keep attacking a straw man of me you invented within your imagination.

None of these things offend me. I simply defend myself from these attacks as they come. The people who attack me are often too fragile to recieve pushback on their nonsensical attacks, and they start whining non-stop. They feel entitled to be able to attack people without recourse. They cannot stand people who stand up for themselves. Those are the posters who truly feel entitled on these forums. They are bullies. This includes yourself. The way to beat a bully is to stand up to them.

I provide data, math, and logic to support my positions. I admit when I am wrong. Other posters feel entitled to the idea that people must say they are correct, or else, even when the data contradicts their claims. The readers can decide who is more trustworthy.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-23-2024, 04:00 PM
You provide nothing but mindless drivel. You envision yourself some kind of forum champion fighting for truth but you're nothing more than a sad delusional troll.

Thank you for proving my point. You can keep posting nonsense like this if you wish. It just makes you look like the troll. It doesn't affect me, as there is no reason to believe you.

People will check your post history and see you simply insult me every chance you get. Nobody takes posters with post histories like that seriously.

Troxx
11-23-2024, 04:47 PM
The people who attack me are ... They are bullies.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcHZqazZrbDl0dmZyeWdrNTVkcGhlOXp uaTQyNmJ5NHR5MXJoOTFzYSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zH72yAqrMuczC/giphy.webp

Life must be rough when you are constantly wrong and nobody likes you.

So sad.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-23-2024, 06:28 PM
Life must be rough when you are constantly wrong and nobody likes you.


I'm happy. I feel bad for people like yourself who troll, lie, and attack other people due to a crippling fear of being wrong about something. It seriously hinders your ability to learn new things, and pushes others away.

eisley
11-23-2024, 10:28 PM
Troxx vs DSM greatest forum rivalry of all time? I remember these guys at each others throats back in like 2016.

shovelquest
11-23-2024, 10:55 PM
Is this a thread litreally about DeathSilkyMist and you all still think he's wrong about it?

From a 3rd party observer I'm gonna have to assume DSM knows what he's talking about with this topic.

Duik
11-23-2024, 11:33 PM
Technically, all of us "normals" are 3rd party observers.

My takeaway is that even if dsm is correct on anything it is obfuscated by so much of his "I'm only defending myself from da norty trollzez" or "I'm just trying to give newbies correct and factual facts and mathmatical math" it dexends into a shitfights we see here.

As I see it...

Everyone else is always wrong and are trollz.

Or

There is something to mostly everyone disagreeing with a DSMism (there are exceptions).

Even the cleverest discertation delivered via the sewer is still covered in shit.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-24-2024, 01:34 AM
Technically, all of us "normals" are 3rd party observers.

My takeaway is that even if dsm is correct on anything it is obfuscated by so much of his "I'm only defending myself from da norty trollzez" or "I'm just trying to give newbies correct and factual facts and mathmatical math" it dexends into a shitfights we see here.

As I see it...

Everyone else is always wrong and are trollz.

Or

There is something to mostly everyone disagreeing with a DSMism (there are exceptions).

Even the cleverest discertation delivered via the sewer is still covered in shit.

Let me get this straight.

You are posting in a thread specifically designed to troll me.

You have posted numerous troll posts in the past.

You just posted another troll post in the thread specifically designed to troll me.

And you are trying to claim that people aren't trolling me?

Amazing logic. 10/10

Keebz
11-24-2024, 02:55 AM
...a thread specifically designed to troll me.


This thread is not designed to troll you. People would rather you not post at all tbh. This thread is for commiseration.

Duik
11-24-2024, 03:50 AM
There is always the option to ignore the *obvious* trolls.
You are, IMHO a masochist who loves it.

Providing fraps of your logs is simply you thinking that your achievements are in some way impressive. Or useful.
You may impress some. I am not one of them.

Even if you are in any way correct I doubt I'd even notice it. Your faff and twaddle generally drown it out.

This thread IMHO is just descriptive. No judgement.

Troxx
11-24-2024, 07:38 AM
This thread is not designed to troll you. People would rather you not post at all tbh. This thread is for commiseration.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/DX5kRI2UfE8zC2r9wY/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952r58ayyk8bd8yh5iyx5jtj4qkxix8m twa1vuhej2q&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

DeathsSilkyMist
11-24-2024, 10:52 AM
There are people on these forums who throw tantrums when they have been proven wrong. Sometimes tantrums that go on for years. Troxx was just shown to have flaws in his knowledge about P99 parses and melee damage. We will see how long that tantrum lasts.

When trolls get together and spam threads with nonsense, you could call it a commiseration of sorts. They will simply try to hide the fact that they were wrong in a sea of nonsense to make themselves feel better. They are doing the same kind of commiseration here. It is a sad sight.

shovelquest
11-24-2024, 01:34 PM
The problem with trolls on this server is only conservative ones get banned.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-24-2024, 11:26 PM
The fact that you call out in others the very things that you consistently do time and time and time again but with absolutely no self awareness is WILD.

The lack of self awareness comes from yourself. It is quite suprising, I agree. I never understand why trolls think they look good while posting things like this.

I'd ask you to look back on all the posts you made about me, and how you think someone else would view them.

You started attacking me first out of the blue, and simply attack me every chance you get. You only have 50 posts. You might as well be a throw away account from another troll who's trying to pretend more people dislike me by making more accounts.

Sorry nobody cares about your trolling, and never will. You should try to be more productive on these forums.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-25-2024, 12:13 AM
Another "Nuh uh, you!" post from DSM. Name a more iconic duo.

If you are going to troll, at least try to get better at it. A bad troll is the worst kind, spamming threads with uninteresting and uninspired nonsense. Not even worth the read for a chuckle.

But this is RnF. Feel free to keep making yourself look silly by being bad at trolling. That will surely accomplish your goal of smearing me!

Rygar
11-25-2024, 01:02 AM
DSM lives rent free in all your heads. Consider not arguing and agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Reiwa
11-25-2024, 03:05 AM
The fact that you call out in others the very things that you consistently do time and time and time again but with absolutely no self awareness is WILD.

Who taught you to say that word? They're a bad influencer.

Duik
11-25-2024, 03:20 AM
Mister Rygar gives DSM too much credit.
Any one of a dozen posters can set him off on a pages long rant. Individually, it takes very like time and virtually zero thought.
Feel free to try again though.

Troxx
11-25-2024, 10:28 PM
Any one of a dozen posters can set him off on a pages long rant. Individually, it takes very like time and virtually zero thought.

Truth.

It doesn’t even take effort ... or even intent. He’ll set himself off all by himself. The pattern is hilarious - he’ll take wild swings at anyone who disagrees with him for pages (dozens or even hundreds of in some cases).

hagglebaby
11-26-2024, 12:18 AM
Hi guys, you might know me from the tunnel - I’m the lvl 5 monk wearing 11,000,000 worth of gear. I also have a contemporary thread named “The 11,000,000pp monk”

Anyways, I just wanted to say that I like DSM. He seems like a nice guy.

DeathsSilkyMist
11-26-2024, 01:21 AM
Hi guys, you might know me from the tunnel - I’m the lvl 5 monk wearing 11,000,000 worth of gear. I also have a contemporary thread named “The 11,000,000pp monk”

Anyways, I just wanted to say that I like DSM. He seems like a nice guy.

Thanks Haggle! That's a lotta dough!

Truth.

It doesn’t even take effort ... or even intent. He’ll set himself off all by himself. The pattern is hilarious - he’ll take wild swings at anyone who disagrees with him for pages (dozens or even hundreds of in some cases).

More projection and lies. I don't know why Troxx likes being such an obvious liar. The post history exists for everyone to see.

I don't start fights on these forums. If you are respectful to me, I am respectful back. If you attack me, I defend myself. Troxx always forgets those "wild swings" are never offensive. Someone attacks me first, and I defend myself. Just look at the posters like Troxx who came to attack me here.

I asked Troxx for logs of his Mage, because he admitted the parse information he gave out was wrong.

He proceeded to create hundreds of posts using silly gifs, making up lies, insulting me, etc. He's still salty to this day I asked for his logs. He spent way more time doing that than it would have taken to give me the logs.

He thinks he is a guy people go to for data, but he goes batshit crazy whenever asked for data. It's strange.

Eisai
11-26-2024, 09:34 AM
Is there a parser that can autostrip all guildchat / tells / etc and can sync then to something with shared access like a discord channel?

Jimjam
11-26-2024, 10:00 AM
Is there a parser that can autostrip all guildchat / tells / etc and can sync then to something with shared access like a discord channel?

yeah, an automated confidentialiser / anonymiser would be desirable.

Reiwa
11-27-2024, 02:15 AM
Is there a parser that can autostrip all guildchat / tells / etc and can sync then to something with shared access like a discord channel?

yeah, an automated confidentialiser / anonymiser would be desirable.

-rPEguSf35c

https://wiki.takp.info/index.php/Chat_Text_Remover_Tool

Penish
12-18-2024, 07:43 PM
whar ever happened to this guy, also this thread has aged well

Lol

NachtMystium
12-23-2024, 11:03 PM
bruh i was about to type up some shit on dis fool he did me wrong back in da day not gonna lie but i looked up like a 5 inch look not gonna lie and i saw that lil mountain wit a moon up top wit da yellow background made me change my ways so yall reading this just know all it can take is a lil mountain wit a moon and a yelllow background to change yall ways stay frosty my dawgz