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bhughes
01-26-2024, 10:19 PM
Why didn't good races get a hammer for FV? Damn Verant what were you thinking?

Yeah let's all just solo CT for puppet strings!

So it really pays to be evil in EQ. Oh, I get it, FV is closer to the DL ring/spire combo!

Of course, how could I be so stupid! Well, perhaps I'm not so dumb having ran the across DL 1000 times now getting to FV. So if I want to get to FV from the depths of seb or inside ToV I just walk there instead of hammering to HH.

Bah Humbug!

Pico
01-26-2024, 10:59 PM
verant put int on warrior plane armor

Duik
01-26-2024, 11:31 PM
Also int on paly class classic helm.

aussenseiter
01-27-2024, 12:51 AM
verant put int on warrior plane armor

Also int on paly class classic helm.

On purpose. Brad Bless.

Jimjam
01-27-2024, 05:56 AM
On purpose. Brad Bless.

Good game design imo.

Rygar
01-27-2024, 11:06 AM
verant put int on warrior plane armor

I wish Int / wis and all stats mattered for all classes. INT on a warrior can help you increase damage/crit chance in the fight (learning where critical organs are, anatomy, etc). WIS can help increase discipline duration, and CHA the key attribute to generate procs (forming an affinity with your weapon is total lore)

Verant missed the boat here

Jimjam
01-27-2024, 12:30 PM
I wish Int / wis and all stats mattered for all classes. INT on a warrior can help you increase damage/crit chance in the fight (learning where critical organs are, anatomy, etc). WIS can help increase discipline duration, and CHA the key attribute to generate procs (forming an affinity with your weapon is total lore)

Verant missed the boat here

The cerebral stats could also help you resist mind control spells (I’m sure I’ve read that was the intention early on but it never got implemented?)

Besides that, personally I like that as my characters gear up they become smarter, stronger, wiser, more charasmatic as they become more experienced, powerful and famous. Even if those stats don’t matter it makes sense to me that my character becomes better at those things than a naked level 1 scrub straight out of the slums.

magnetaress
01-27-2024, 02:09 PM
Role playing game.

Sadre Spinegnawer
01-27-2024, 02:10 PM
Back when the game was being designed and then released, society was a lot different than it is today. Back then people shied away from playing the "evil" races. Lots of "family guilds" really would prefer you just play a human necro, etc. So the hammer to OT was seen as a kind of "compensation prize" for everyone shunning evil races, just like they did in rl.

But today, everyone thinks being evil is "cool." Especially all those entitled college girls.

The thing that gets me, here I am, the supreme dark elf, and my virtues go unnoticed by all the stuck up good races.

I did eventually find a good guild but I had to train the fuck out of karnor's for like a week to get the attention of an officer. Now, no one cares. But they used to, is my point.

Seriously. Not kidding this time. Scout's honor. Brownie oath.

wuanahto
01-27-2024, 04:41 PM
you need amiable for the quest and most evils start out apprehensive or indifferent so you still need to grind. not that big of a boost honestly.

thank rog for keeping the servers up as long as they have for an industrialized server where you can have whatever you want whenever you want

aussenseiter
01-27-2024, 11:59 PM
you need amiable for the quest and most evils start out apprehensive or indifferent so you still need to grind. not that big of a boost honestly.

thank rog for keeping the servers up as long as they have for an industrialized server where you can have whatever you want whenever you want

Wiki says +5 per 4 braids turnin.

Lighties clearly not intended to get this.

Naethyn
01-28-2024, 01:47 AM
Int increases charm resistance

Duik
01-28-2024, 02:13 AM
Int increases charm resistance

True?

magnetaress
01-28-2024, 06:38 PM
It works if you believe.

Trexller
01-29-2024, 01:33 AM
Int increases charm resistance

Dex increases melee accuracy

Naethyn
01-29-2024, 01:44 AM
Dex increases your chance to continue casting.

Sonderbeast
01-29-2024, 01:59 AM
Besides that, personally I like that as my characters gear up they become smarter, stronger, wiser, more charasmatic as they become more experienced, powerful and famous.

Speak for yourself. Some of us enjoy being garbage encased in metal.

Duik
01-29-2024, 07:50 AM
It works if you believe.

This only works for believers of Magic Sky Fairy.
You guys gots dibs on blind faith based evidence scavenging.
Sorry me don't gotź. Pause not!

aussenseiter
01-30-2024, 01:11 AM
This only works for believers of Magic Sky Fairy.
You guys gots dibs on blind faith based evidence scavenging.
Sorry me don't gotź. Pause not!

It's called confirmation bias.

You should get confirmed.

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 08:32 AM
This only works for believers of Magic Sky Fairy.
You guys gots dibs on blind faith based evidence scavenging.
Sorry me don't gotź. Pause not!

I believe in quantums.


The plants will affect RNGs.

People do too.

And water crystals.

Trigger warning dangerous information! 4oI-CXqeLmA?si=CeZIIaCC0vRIe0WOdo ur own *research (*anecdotal imperical evidences)

If u don't believe ur scuffing ur own RNG and probably ur entire life.

Yahweh is #1 rng king tho :p

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 08:46 AM
Also check out the double polarized filter slit experiments.

Here's some more Magic science also ...

TM9alPcOMcU?si=wEAQVZb2ccO-DHqx
I like Steve Mould too :p dude is pretty smart has a cool electrical experiment.

The more grounded in real true science and experiments u get and not just 3rd grade level science textbooks the more you'll want to believe. Just let yourself do both. Like I said. It isn't mutually exclusive. You can build a better bridge (be a world class engineer) and also believe. Ur life will improve if you give your self (*the self is an illusion lol) room to believe in good things (*others too!).

Hope this helps with ur day.

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 08:53 AM
^the simulation is a bit *odd... spoiler triggery word>>> [Spoiler]*fucky[/embed]

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 08:53 AM
^ ok brain is done for today

Duik
01-30-2024, 09:12 AM
Confirmation bias. You believe that god does and knows all. Therefore he does.
Job done.
But its ok. You can have faith. It helps you. I am ok with this.
I dont need that. This is ok as well.
This what you dont seem understand. But, i have faith you will eventually get it. Winky winky winly face.

Malaibu Snackbar!

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 09:29 AM
None of us are "ok" that is a lie and an illusion :p

It's ok to believe u r fake ok tho if affirmation is what is sought!

aussenseiter
01-30-2024, 12:23 PM
Confirmation bias. You believe that god does and knows all. Therefore he does.
Job done.
But its ok. You can have faith. It helps you. I am ok with this.
I dont need that. This is ok as well.
This what you dont seem understand. But, i have faith you will eventually get it. Winky winky winly face.

Malaibu Snackbar!

Is this real?

I0tobM9b_9I

Duik
01-30-2024, 02:18 PM
Yes. And no.

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 04:44 PM
Is this real?

I0tobM9b_9I

Safe for children?

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 04:52 PM
I guess what I am asking is it art or pornography.

Duik
01-30-2024, 05:16 PM
If ya gotta ask, it's prolly not.
Or, more correctly (if you want) show it to your kids. But not others' kids.

So show 1 kid. Not the other as a control subject.
Post results about if it affected said kids.
Parent of the year right there.

magnetaress
01-30-2024, 05:20 PM
Bad advice. Internet says that it's satanic and nudity.

Ciderpress
01-30-2024, 06:29 PM
The best part about OT hammers is that nobody seems to quite understand prior to getting one that you have to equip it and hit stuff with it and hope for a proc. Everyone seems to think it's a clicky or something.

No, it's a giant heavy weird hammer that is equippable by everyone, and you have to just swing it at stuff like a dope until you get a proc. One of the weirdest and therefor coolest items in the game.

Jimjam
01-30-2024, 06:53 PM
BIS class for OT hammer is wizard cos it is fun to summon eyeball pets so you can hammer your balls to go poof.

jolanar
02-02-2024, 10:21 AM
OT has no vendors that aren't greedy, and you can't hunt in 3 different Kunark dungeons if you want to maintain faction there.

I would say that's a pretty fair trade off.

eddrick
02-02-2024, 11:21 AM
The best part about OT hammers is that nobody seems to quite understand prior to getting one that you have to equip it and hit stuff with it and hope for a proc. Everyone seems to think it's a clicky or something.

No, it's a giant heavy weird hammer that is equippable by everyone, and you have to just swing it at stuff like a dope until you get a proc. One of the weirdest and therefor coolest items in the game.

Also it's embarrassing if it doesn't proc after a minute or two even though it's all RNG.

The guy you asked to proc off is wondering "why have I done this" as you sit there swinging at him for couple min.

And weirdly the only remedy is being slowed before hand so you swing less times and when it procs it looks like you meant it to.

mycoolrausch
02-02-2024, 02:58 PM
My "evil" dark elf ended up KOS in Outpost and well liked in FV. I did not go out of may way to plan or achieve this, it just happened playing Kunark in a normal manner.

The factions in the expansion are poorly designed. But that's ok because you can cheese them easily in the end, like the rest of the game.

Ciderpress
02-02-2024, 06:51 PM
My "evil" dark elf ended up KOS in Outpost and well liked in FV. I did not go out of may way to plan or achieve this, it just happened playing Kunark in a normal manner.

The factions in the expansion are poorly designed. But that's ok because you can cheese them easily in the end, like the rest of the game.

Life for the evil races is supposed to be hard, confusing, counfounding, in every respect. The upshot is that dark elves have by far the best looking armor graphics in the game. Nobody would covet the guise if it made you look like an ogre shaman with tov gear.

cd288
02-05-2024, 03:39 PM
OT has no vendors that aren't greedy, and you can't hunt in 3 different Kunark dungeons if you want to maintain faction there.

I would say that's a pretty fair trade off.

What do you need the faction for? You can click the banker through the wall regardless

Ciderpress
02-05-2024, 08:34 PM
Also it's embarrassing if it doesn't proc after a minute or two even though it's all RNG.


Lol true. After about 30 seconds it's like sooooooo... what's new in your life, stranger?

Ciderpress
02-05-2024, 08:37 PM
Oh and why does being slowed supposedly make you proc your hammer faster? I've never understood the math on that one.

It sounds like slow somehow increases every individual swing's chance to proc, but you're also swinging that much less often.. so does the increased chance outweigh the fact that each opportunity for a proc now takes longer? And if so why?

aussenseiter
02-05-2024, 08:53 PM
Oh and why does being slowed supposedly make you proc your hammer faster? I've never understood the math on that one.

It sounds like slow somehow increases every individual swing's chance to proc, but you're also swinging that much less often.. so does the increased chance outweigh the fact that each opportunity for a proc now takes longer? And if so why?

Only you can prevent MathQuest (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391241)

Ciderpress
02-05-2024, 09:06 PM
Only you can prevent MathQuest (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391241)

"ProcsPerMinute system"

So it was an unknown unknown all along, thank you. That has seriously bothered me forever.

aussenseiter
02-05-2024, 10:13 PM
"ProcsPerMinute system"

So it was an unknown unknown all along, thank you. That has seriously bothered me forever.

Unclear if hybrid-only casting swings apply to item clickies for other classes swings.

zelld52
02-13-2024, 10:10 AM
Oh and why does being slowed supposedly make you proc your hammer faster? I've never understood the math on that one.

It sounds like slow somehow increases every individual swing's chance to proc, but you're also swinging that much less often.. so does the increased chance outweigh the fact that each opportunity for a proc now takes longer? And if so why?

It's about proccing on the first swing. If you don;t proc on the first swing, you have to wait like 10s (if fully slowed) before you swing again. If it doesn't proc that time, ugh. But - ive noticed MUCH quicker procs with a fully slowed shaman than any other class.

With Mortal Deftness + Focus of Spirit + Turgurs + Torpor, my shaman can proc his hammer on the first swing like 4 out of every 5 attempts.

Notice similar results for enchanter, but because its only Forlorn deeds with no torpor, and no dex buff, the proc on first swing works about 3 out of 5 attempts.

Whenever I'm on a melee to use hammer, i unequip my haste. Monk was the absolute worst at proccing hammer. 252 2hb, 252 offense - i wind up killing mobs with a 6 damage hammer, and no proc lol.