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htabdoolb
10-15-2023, 02:41 AM
..to be a Barbarian Paladin. It just makes sense. Shadowknights have two large races within their roster of possible characters, while the closest equivalent paladins have are somehow the Dwarves, of all things. Slam is awesome, and paladins deserve to have access to it too. Lore-wise, barbarians usually follow the Tribunal, the gods of justice. We've got paladins of nature (Tunare), paladins of valor and love (Marr twins), paladins of storms (Karana), seas (Prexus), and even peace (Quellious).. so why not paladins of justice? Thematically, it makes sense.

I want stronk, tall cleric-warriors of truth and justice, shining brightly as they stride on their long, hairy legs across the lands, righting wrongs and smiting evil doers by shoulder checking them into the dirt. I want those juicy tall race combat stats so that paladins can stand shoulder to shoulder with shadowknights as equals.

I want Barbarian Paladins! Who's with me?

Jimjam
10-15-2023, 03:19 AM
Agreed. Also barbarians need bards.

Swish
10-15-2023, 05:32 PM
what in the EQ2 is going on here?

Castle2.0
10-15-2023, 10:30 PM
Agreed. Also barbarians need bards.

Facts. Skald.

https://open.spotify.com/track/34hYH6o60RtUv5u5UUgnd0

Xer0
10-16-2023, 08:12 AM
Facts. Skald.

https://open.spotify.com/track/34hYH6o60RtUv5u5UUgnd0

What point are you trying to make? Skalds were scandinavian/nordic. Norrathian bards are clearly inspired by celtic/gaelic cultures.

Jimjam
10-16-2023, 09:41 AM
What point are you trying to make? Skalds were scandinavian/nordic. Norrathian bards are clearly inspired by celtic/gaelic cultures.

Exactly. Barbarians are primarily Scottish inspired, ie fit well into celtic/gaelic tropes

htabdoolb
10-16-2023, 12:43 PM
what in the EQ2 is going on here?

I wouldn't know. I never played EQ2.

Agreed. Also barbarians need bards.

Makes sense. Honestly Bard feels like one of those classes that basically every race should have access too, like warrior or rogue. Everyone loves listening to stories and songs.

On that note, even goblins manage to have wizards among their ranks. So, why can't more playable races be wizards as well? I feel like every race should have at least a basic spread of fighty, healy, sneaky, and zappy types available to play. Ogres and Trolls get the short end of the stick as well in this regard. Heck, the wizard guild of Freeport even has an Aviak (of all things) among its ranks.

Ennewi
10-16-2023, 02:37 PM
Heck, the wizard guild of Freeport even has an Aviak (of all things) among its ranks.

Likely an illusion, or intended to be considered as much given that it's an enchanter.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=1175

Romiak Jusathorn [ Enchanter Guildmaster ]
Enchanter Guildmaster

Uploaded July 24th, 2007
The guildmaster of the Enchanters in freeport.

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He is always in this form, but yes I am under the assumption it is "supposed" to be an illusion, someone should try and dispell him =)

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If you kill him, he'll spawn as his real form, so that'd work just as well as dispelling him.

Ennewi
10-16-2023, 02:48 PM
On that note though, there doesn't seem to be a single bard aviak NPC (https://wiki.project1999.com/Aviaks) on Norrath, which seems like such an oversight since a bird race would be naturally adept at singing. South Karana merchant even sells instruments.

cd288
10-16-2023, 05:26 PM
I've always felt like Barbarians, while they might worship some of those gods, lore wise are supposed to be more fiery and hot tempered. I.e., maybe not quite the more calm/level headed mentality you'd expect from a Paladin.

htabdoolb
10-16-2023, 06:59 PM
But most Barbarians just stand around the nearest body of water, fishing and drinking beer. The most laid back activity on Norrath. Doesn't exactly scream fiery and hot tempered to me.

Plain-jane humans can be good (paladins) or evil (shadowknights), and so can smarty-pants Erudites. Barbarians should have the same opportunities, especially considering that they practically border Qeynos. Erudin is just a short boat ride away too. Plenty of possibilities for Barbarians to pick up the knack of Paladinizing from the nearest neighbors.

cd288
10-17-2023, 10:41 AM
On that topic, I always found it slightly weird that Erudites can be Paladins. Why?

htabdoolb
10-17-2023, 11:21 AM
It always felt like the original devs decided that Erudites were too magicky for something as base and crude as physical combat, but then realized that the coneheaded boys needed some sort of tank to survive as a race and gave them knights out of pity. High elves got put in the same boat, only they didn't even get shadowknights out of it, just paladins.

Two smart races too proud to pick up a simple rock and smash their enemies in the face with it.

cd288
10-17-2023, 04:40 PM
High elves make sense as paladins though. Especially when considering the type of fantasy that EQ is based on.

Seducio
10-17-2023, 04:50 PM
Even frogloks could be Paladins eventually even though out of era on P99.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/chrono/images/e/e6/Frog.png/revision/latest?cb=20191204205710

kaev
10-18-2023, 01:56 PM
What point are you trying to make? Skalds were scandinavian/nordic. Norrathian bards are clearly inspired by celtic/gaelic cultures.
Exactly. Barbarians are primarily Scottish inspired, ie fit well into celtic/gaelic tropes

excellent point, otoh...

Honestly Bard feels like one of those classes that no p99 forum poster should have access to, not even on their best birthday.

But sure give the barbies Paladins if you want, their hell has already frozen over. Just don't ever give gnomies or haffers anything and you're cool.