Project Quarm - 1 Box Planes of Power

[Evia]

3 boxing might not be game breaking, but it sucks.
seeing someone playing 3 characters first of all is just immersion breaking, it also destroys the whole traditional group dynamic imho.
is it still grouping with 5 other player characters? yeah. but its just one other person. it's not the same experience.
it also encourages me to do the same if I want to have all the edges possible in the game like the other players. and we all know EQ is all about getting every edge you can.
the bottom line is boxing doesnt feel like everquest at all. maybe for players who have always boxed it feels like home? but not for someone who never did.
idk what kind of intelligence or maturity i need to gain or stumble upon to enjoy it but it's not happening.



so with all that said i'm looking forward to quarm. idk if it's going to replace p99 for me, but i'm open minded to check it out.
I also don't think it's a bad thing that secrets is doing some p99 type changes. tbh I bet 75% of the quarm player base is gonna be p99ers...might as well hit your target audience.

[Trexller]

"WOO TAKP IS OPEN SOURCE, TIME FOR A NEW SERRRRVERRRRR"

"nah fuck it, im just gonna copy and paste P99"

"yeahhh that's an original take on a dead and beaten horse"

[Evia]

i suppose you can look at it like that
i see it more like Secrets is trying to take the best from both worlds
or at least what he thinks is the best of both worlds
might as well take everything youve learned and gathered from deving eq emu servers
and apply it to the one you're going to do yourself.

thats how i see it anyway

[Trexller]

yeah ill just start mid-velious or some shit when all gear is dirt cheap and i can get ready for luclin/pop

[algernop]

yeah ill just start mid-velious or some shit when all gear is dirt cheap and i can get ready for luclin/pop

Good for you. Do whatever you want within the rules of the server. Aside from going to PoP it also has enforced raid rotations with some mob racing for those into that which differs from p99.

[Trexller]

Do whatever you want within the rules of the server.

definitely boxing too

[Seducio]

definitely boxing too

Secrets has mentioned a plan to get boxing addressed and taken out without a massive CSR team if population is low. He also has a plan if population grows extremely high to do a similar thing with a CSR team.

Be wary of your account getting 'soul marked' if you box on PQ, which is against the rules. Not recommended. The punishment might not look like CSR intervention similar to p99. Rather it might be a swift Ban at devs discretion.

Anyone playing on PQ would do well to read the rules on Discord. Don't take what you hear on these p99 boards for granted. Finalized plans and messaging from Secrets are what count.

[Trexller]

discord is shit and i refuse to use it

im gonna box entire raids on my own

anytime you see the server population, subtract 50, my name is Legion, for we are Many.

[Seducio]

Well you're doing a good job of getting on his 'watch this player' list. Which he already started accumulating.

I have a feeling you'll do what you said earlier which is stick to TAKP until PQ is mid-Velious.

Unless you get that legacy item itch.

[Trexller]

seducio you are a relentless source of hot air lol

"watch this player" as if my p99 forum acct, onion over vpn, hardware ID and any registration info are gonna match

[Seducio]

You are right you are unidentifiable to devs.

/shrug

[Seducio]

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Doobiemoto — 08/07/2023 8:18 AM
Small TAKP question if you have multiple game login accounts under your main login, can you login to two of them at the same time on different ips? Like if I have my account and my brother has his but under the one main?
Secrets — 08/07/2023 8:22 AM
That will result in a ban for boxing violations here if used to box. I can't speak for the TAKP folks, but their server is 3box, ours is 1box. Any intentional bypassing to the IP limit and failed boxing tests will result in permanent account suspension.
Most people won't have two IPs. I'd have our CSRs treat any VPN usage with suspicion and issue a test if that's what you're planning.
If you'd like an exception for your brother, that's different.
As for the TAKP forum accounts, they don't care, but they prefer you each make a forum account. Don't share the same forum account there.
Secrets — 08/07/2023 8:24 AM
If you're a human being, make sure that you make one forum account. If you're two separate human beings, make two forum accounts.
If you keep your porter and rezzer on at the same time and it's found to be the same person (via boxing test, or via analytics), you'll be banned.
If it's two people, in two separate households and they pass both analytics and a boxing test, then you're fine
It's normally extremely obvious when someone is boxing.
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I wouldn't recommend playing PQ like you play TAKP.

[Trexller]

more self important hot air

nobody cares

[Seducio]

Trex - you continue to be dense in the face of facts. Play at PQ at your own risk given what you have claimed you will do there. If you follow through with it you might not last long.

[aussenseiter]

Quarm could be a lot of fun if you play legit, but that's true for every server for us addicts.

You can't blame the cynics for knowing what will really happen.

[Trexller]

You can't blame the cynics for knowing what will really happen.

yep

[Seducio]

Oh its going to be a dev warfare against cheaters and boxers and basically those that cost Secrets time. I predict early Blue level shenanigans. So Secrets will def have to bring their A game and is aware already. This isn't Secrets first rodeo.

As far as I know about the 'soul marked' situation is mostly for cheaters although it might be for boxers so it'll be interesting how quickly the ban hammers will get used. Could have sworn Secrets mentioned they had a discord admin who was recording/capturing screenshots folks on in discord and elsewhere who were claiming they'd cheat/box. Whoever is doing it Secrets did mention someone on Quarm team is already collecting names of folks they know will cause problems.

I think it's too early to predict what will happen to PQ and I haven't really seen anyone on p99 forums with great knowledge of this except for Secrets themself.

[Trexller]

https://j.gifs.com/vZ6LBG.gif

[Seducio]

Trex, you're welcome.

[aussenseiter]

.

Yeah kinda. Not sure what Seductio is getting from the propagandizing hopefully it's just simple simping.

[Seducio]

You two think you are the only ones who read what I write.

Poor chaps.

[aussenseiter]

You two think you are the only ones who read what I write.

Poor chaps.

Does anyone read what we write?

I fucking hope not.

[Seducio]

Regarding Secrets transparent dev model:

>>
Secrets — Yesterday at 6:39 PM
Models are your preference really
I won't stop folks from editing the old skeletons in if they want those.
Secrets — Yesterday at 6:40 PM
Thanks. Though, really, I only communicate openly because this is what I'd want a developer to do for me as a player.
evil_weasel_fred — Yesterday at 6:41 PM
the fact that you're open sourcing your work is HUGE.. you're the main guy now, but you won't always have to be.. you will always be a legend
Secrets — Yesterday at 6:42 PM
There's some level of narcissism and manipulation involved too - by being the face of something, I can be more in control of decision making, and I'll own our great and poor decisions as such.

And the manipulative bit is just... I know how people work, and I know they appreciate being talked to like humans instead of talked down on like idiots. So they're more inclined to listen to me or my ideas / opinions if I act in their interests and not belittle them.
Vegeta — Yesterday at 6:43 PM
secrets for prez
Secrets — Yesterday at 6:44 PM
It's an eye for an eye style philosophy, but that doesn't mean it has to apply to just taking someone's eye in return for misdeeds. It can also apply to people feeling comfortable and in return, I'd return with comforting feeling. In a way, it's cultish, but I'm also trying to make sure I'm unbiased in that process, too.
Meaning, I'd likely treat my friends who cheat here the same way I'd treat total strangers - because of the action, not the person
evil_weasel_fred — Yesterday at 6:45 PM
two things: 1 everyone thinks they're right and 2 you can't make everyone happy.. based on the interview you gave to Octavian, i want to be a belieber.. much love and wonderful nights of rest to you Secrets
Secrets — Yesterday at 6:45 PM
Thanks. Though it's easier to talk about philosophy than it is to act on it in practice.
So, I anticipate once the veil drops and people reveal their true actions or intents after they play, we may end up with some people hating me like they do other server administrations
evil_weasel_fred — Yesterday at 6:47 PM
For my part of "everyone thinks they're right".. i just want to see the server wiped every 5 or 6 years.. this ensures everything is above board.. it chops the balls off RMT.. but its your ball game.. fingers crossed
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There is no benefit Secrets has given me for telling the p99 community I am looking forward to Project Quarm.

[aussenseiter]

There is no benefit Secrets has given me for telling the p99 community I am looking forward to Project Quarm.

He does it for free

[Trexller]

quarm sounded great at first but now that it's a copy and paste clone of p99 w/ takp database it's just:

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[Seducio]

What do Gen Z kids say? " Hit that like button ! " /s

[aussenseiter]

quarm sounded great at first but now that it's a copy and paste clone of p99 w/ takp database it's just:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lj935f7J3guGc/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952h02wbau0djify6q62nfva4vezmqos zbvawr6gvkk&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

I still think p99 has the better database but TAKP has better combat.

[Seducio]

Good luck to you Trex and Assenseiter on any projects you ever give a go at getting off the ground. No man is an island. Even cynics. Who knows you might even appreciate the support of someone who likes what you're doing someday.

The fact that Secrets is putting in hours of time into creating a new EQ old school classic server is commendable. Getting caught up in the minute details is only an indication that you find the project intriguing in one way or another. I predict you both will play there.

Enjoy p99 and TAKP in the meantime. Devs at both places have really out done themselves.

[rhold]

It isn't just to hold back content.. it's just that the eras are followed on a progression project like this.

I understand the progression concept. P99 blue finished it's progression 8 and a half years ago. I would wager that a large portion of those playing now started playing after the progression had already ended.

You want Vah Shir to be coded to start in Qeynos or something? Iksar to pop out of Grobb just because?

No. It's not about what I want. It was a discussion on releasing all content at once instead of waiting until 2026 for the release of PoP.

I personally don't think that would bother me that much, but it is completely silly. I do know that Maze made a project a few years ago where Kunark was going to come out in 3 months or whatever, so no one wanted to reroll immediately so he allowed Iksar to come out of Grobb and it worked out fine, I don't think anyone minded that much. But it's just part of classic eq, these races didn't exist yet.

I wasn't advocating for changing any of the content.

It's even more complicated talking about Beastlords. There's no spell vendors or anything set up for that, not to mention balance. They come out in Luclin, you gotta wait.

Right. And my question basically was: What is gained by arbitrarily holding back content vs just releasing it all?

[Vexenu]

If it's all about what YOU want, why don't you just go single box on TAKP? You can go experience every expansion though PoP right now. Nothing stopping you at all. This goes for Trexller, as well. TAKP has a great community and is very welcoming to new players. If you want to play through Luclin/PoP content now, just go play TAKP. Quarm is not going to release with all expansions enabled, there's no point even discussing it. You can either accept that Secrets has a different vision of ideal progression than yours and play anyway, or you can choose to play somewhere else. But expecting the box to cater to your individual opinions on content is both juvenile and asinine.

Most EQ players don't want to jump into a server that has all expansions enabled, it's as simple as that. If you do, well, okay, that's your opinion. But it's one that most players don't share, so you shouldn't expect that your view will be widely supported, especially by devs who are putting in a ton of unpaid, volunteer work to get a successful server up and running.

[Swish]

quarm sounded great at first but now that it's a copy and paste clone of p99 w/ takp database it's just:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lj935f7J3guGc/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952h02wbau0djify6q62nfva4vezmqos zbvawr6gvkk&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

The problem with any new server is whatever you do someone's gonna be pissed.

[rhold]

If it's all about what YOU want, why don't you just go single box on TAKP? You can go experience every expansion though PoP right now. Nothing stopping you at all. This goes for Trexller, as well. TAKP has a great community and is very welcoming to new players. If you want to play through Luclin/PoP content now, just go play TAKP. Quarm is not going to release with all expansions enabled, there's no point even discussing it. You can either accept that Secrets has a different vision of ideal progression than yours and play anyway, or you can choose to play somewhere else. But expecting the box to cater to your individual opinions on content is both juvenile and asinine.

I specifically said that it wasn't about what I wanted. Work on your reading comprehension.

Most EQ players don't want to jump into a server that has all expansions enabled, it's as simple as that.

Finally getting to an answer to the question. Where is your data to back this claim up?

If you do, well, okay, that's your opinion. But it's one that most players don't share, so you shouldn't expect that your view will be widely supported, especially by devs who are putting in a ton of unpaid, volunteer work to get a successful server up and running.

I was just asking a question in a thread. I wasn't trying to force my will on anyone.

[Trexller]

This goes for Trexller, as well. TAKP has a great community and is very welcoming to new players.

been playin takp for years

[Vexenu]

I specifically said that it wasn't about what I wanted. Work on your reading comprehension.

You can't say, "Guys, I promise it's not just about what I want," and then ask for something that no one else but you (and Trexller tbf) are asking for. Yes, it's basically just you two. I haven't seen anyone else in this thread or the Quarm Discord advocating to launch with content through PoP enabled. Maybe there are others I haven't noticed, but I guarantee you're in the vast minority either way.


Finally getting to an answer to the question. Where is your data to back this claim up?

Let me cite you a peer reviewed study on EQ Emu server releases. Lol. The fuck are you on about? This is common sense. The continued popularity of live Progression servers is evidence enough, as well as the launch of P1999 Green to great fanfare, which followed a progression timeline rather than launch with Velious enabled (which it could have obviously done). Most people who choose to play a 25 year old elf simulator for a nostalgia kick prefer that their nostalgic experience closely mirror their actual memories, which requires an expansion progression timeline, not a diarrhea dump of all the expansions at once. This is not rocket science or in any way controversial. It is simply how it should be done.

[Trexller]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lj935f7J3guGc/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952h02wbau0djify6q62nfva4vezmqos zbvawr6gvkk&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Torven]

I worked on TAKP for 10 years and even I don't want era inaccurate ez-mode stuff ruining the classic game. I wouldn't play on Quarm if they had included it. Removing class exp penalties and Hole opening early makes me eyeroll TBH but I can stomach it

[Seducio]

Let me cite you a peer reviewed study on EQ Emu server releases

This is legitimately hilarious. Appreciate the belly laugh, Vexenu.

Also a bit of advice would be ignore Trex. For some reason Trex RnFs everywhere without regard to whether he's actually in RnF. Best to ignore the troll.

[Seducio]

I worked on TAKP for 10 years and even I don't want era inaccurate ez-mode stuff ruining the classic game. I wouldn't play on Quarm if they had included it. Removing class exp penalties and Hole opening early makes me eyeroll TBH but I can stomach it

Thanks for sharing your time and passion with others to have a server Old school EQers can enjoy playing on. Much appreciated for all you've done for the EQ Emu community. TAKP team deciding to release its code and database has been a gamechanger.

[Trexller]

Seducio's favorite whine:

https://images.vivino.com/thumbs/733art6lTjaC-wCdx7ys3g_pl_480x640.png

[Evia]

Anyone wanna make a quarm launch static group?
I'm probably going to play a more group focused bard who doesn't swarm. I am not a fan of that shit.

[aussenseiter]

Seducio's favorite whine:

https://images.vivino.com/thumbs/733art6lTjaC-wCdx7ys3g_pl_480x640.png

Server might be good, might be bad, but he'd never tell you the truth.

[Seducio]

Aussenseiter, not sure what truth you are referring to. My messages here are mostly from what dev has discussed and I've said when they were my observations vs quoting dev from discord. PQ Beta has been fun to play with. Looking forward to release on Oct 1st and you can form your own perspective.

[aussenseiter]

Aussenseiter, not sure what truth you are referring to. My messages here are mostly from what dev has discussed and I've said when they were my observations vs quoting dev from discord. PQ Beta has been fun to play with. Looking forward to release on Oct 1st and you can form your own perspective.

I look forward to putting you on ignore.

[Seducio]

No clue why you're so upset. Cheers guy

[Trexller]

No clue why you're so upset.

https://y.yarn.co/6841c368-d047-45cf-b42a-bfea470d7cfd_text.gif

[Smotr]

Looking forward to playing on it.

[Secrets]

yeah ill just start mid-velious or some shit when all gear is dirt cheap and i can get ready for luclin/pop

This is actually the smart play, because most of the stuff that makes it 'like p99' goes away in Luclin.

By preparing ahead of time before Luclin, you'll be ready to enjoy Luclin era EQ as if the expansion launched.

c u real soon (2 years)

[Toxigen]

C U REAL SOON

[Elrood]

Anyone wanna make a quarm launch static group?
I'm probably going to play a more group focused bard who doesn't swarm. I am not a fan of that shit.

Maybe!! I'm definitely jumping in on launch day but will be out on vacation from 10/3 - 10/10, right after the server launches lol. So I'm not sure if that will work out but I've always wanted to be a part of a static group.

I'm almost certainly rolling a Paladin.

[Bisonzabi]

Thanks for sharing your time and passion with others to have a server Old school EQers can enjoy playing on. Much appreciated for all you've done for the EQ Emu community. TAKP team deciding to release its code and database has been a gamechanger.

Yeah the release of the code is such a nice damn thing. I don't know why people would complain about this.

[Evia]

Maybe!! I'm definitely jumping in on launch day but will be out on vacation from 10/3 - 10/10, right after the server launches lol. So I'm not sure if that will work out but I've always wanted to be a part of a static group.

I'm almost certainly rolling a Paladin.

cool pally bard is a good start. we can just pickup the static on the 11th or 12th when you get back and play whatever for the launch.

[aussenseiter]

Yeah the release of the code is such a nice damn thing. I don't know why people would complain about this.

We've only been complaining about Seductio. Hsssss.

Good try at a strawman. 👍

[Swish]

Is anyone rolling a necro and going to stay that race after Kunark comes along?

[Seducio]

We've only been complaining about Seductio. Hsssss.

Good try at a strawman. ��

I live rent free in this guys head because I am excited about the new server.

[aussenseiter]

I live rent free in this guys head because I am excited about the new server.

Stooges can groom the stool but I don't have to respect them for it.

[Seducio]

Feel free to respect whoever you like. Your world view of condemning those who offer praise to folks working on projects that would benefit you is an interesting take.

[aussenseiter]

Feel free to respect whoever you like. Your world view of condemning those who offer praise to folks working on projects that would benefit you is an interesting take.

Keep grooming but remember to wash your hands before you eat anything.

[Seducio]

Good luck to you out there. You don't seem to be a good faith actor. I am ghosting you so you can dream about me to your hearts desire all you want and do whatever you want with your hands, dirty or otherwise, all on your own. Cheers for the last time

[Durk]

I am excited for this server. Seems like a lot of hype is surrounding it, will most likely be a rocky launch but I am in for the fun.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Good luck to you out there. You don't seem to be a good faith actor. I am ghosting you so you can dream about me to your hearts desire all you want and do whatever you want with your hands, dirty or otherwise, all on your own. Cheers for the last time

Aussenseiter is playing snooker all day. Harmless. Except, he'll snooker you.

And what is this good faith? I'm lawful neutral and ime if you start saying you are making good faith your standard, before long you are living in a broken cistern talking to dogs all day.

Lawful neutral prefers, but is not so demanding as to expect, good faith.

But maybe you just are bored without any hope of good faith?

Are you neutral good? That's cool. I wouldn't count on being happy often.

[Seducio]

I am excited for this server. Seems like a lot of hype is surrounding it, will most likely be a rocky launch but I am in for the fun.

This set of tempered expectations is a good way to wade into the new server. Most likely the server will evolve from Day 1 to Day 15 to Day 30. Initial hype will create a population spike that will last at least a week and this might test server capacity in some zones. For instance in some starter zones the experience may be sub-optimal if there are over 100 level 1 characters trying for the same level 1 mobs. By day 30 though this will have evened out and server population will have become steady.

I have heard some plan to bypass the initial rush and start playing after initial server deployment kinks are worked out a couple weeks in. Others have told me they plan to dive right on on day 1 and deal with all the possibilities of high population that entails. So there are different strategies to best enjoy Project Quarm.

Whatever your plan. Watch this space. Less then two weeks from Launch.

[Seducio]

Aussenseiter is playing snooker all day. Harmless. Except, he'll snooker you.

And what is this good faith? I'm lawful neutral and ime if you start saying you are making good faith your standard, before long you are living in a broken cistern talking to dogs all day.

Lawful neutral prefers, but is not so demanding as to expect, good faith.

But maybe you just are bored without any hope of good faith?

Are you neutral good? That's cool. I wouldn't count on being happy often.

Forgive me my understanding of the all the DnD faction possibilities is wildly out of date.

Basically that message was just me deciding to no longer communicate with one of the posters on this forum because it doesn't seem he could communicate without attacking. That's all.

[Evia]

I didnt think this project would be bigger than maybe a few hundred ppl. but i was in wow classic hc yesterday and saw ppl talking about it in trade chat


so I think there might be more hype than anticipated

[Toxigen]

its gonna be at least 1000 people

[Swish]

I didnt think this project would be bigger than maybe a few hundred ppl. but i was in wow classic hc yesterday and saw ppl talking about it in trade chat


so I think there might be more hype than anticipated

Nice!

[Byrjun]

I didnt think this project would be bigger than maybe a few hundred ppl.

There's almost 90 people logged into the beta right now which is really impressive since everything is going to be wiped in 2 days.

Launch is gonna be a mess.

[ashentco]

Yeah this project looks bigger than most people expect.

What I do expect is a lot of frustration the first week trying to kill bats.

[spoil]

I hear for clickies to reset the GCD on TAKP you need to double-click them? I hope that's not the case on PQ, or will be 'fixed' in a future update. That sounds like something small but potentially a deal-breaker for me. I like the cadence of spell > clicky > spell on p99 instead of having to mash my clicky key twice, that sounds really tedious to do that every single time.

[Landroval]

I hear for clickies to reset the GCD on TAKP you need to double-click them? I hope that's not the case on PQ, or will be 'fixed' in a future update. That sounds like something small but potentially a deal-breaker for me. I like the cadence of spell > clicky > spell on p99 instead of having to mash my clicky key twice, that sounds really tedious to do that every single time.

Nice. Thanks for letting us know

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I didnt think this project would be bigger than maybe a few hundred ppl. but i was in wow classic hc yesterday and saw ppl talking about it in trade chat


so I think there might be more hype than anticipated

Hold it. Are you saying this new emu server might become a giant ball of elf rage as immersion eats people's souls and only the strong and insane survive?

Damn. I might have to get in on this.

[Landroval]

Do you dare to roll self found hardcore?

[Byrjun]

I hear for clickies to reset the GCD on TAKP you need to double-click them? I hope that's not the case on PQ, or will be 'fixed' in a future update. That sounds like something small but potentially a deal-breaker for me. I like the cadence of spell > clicky > spell on p99 instead of having to mash my clicky key twice, that sounds really tedious to do that every single time.

It's double click right now yeah.

[spoil]

It's double click right now yeah.

Right now, has Secrets talked about fixing it?

[Byrjun]

Right now, has Secrets talked about fixing it?

No idea, I just assumed it was one of those "well this is how it worked on EQmac" things. (I never played EQmac so idk)

[Evia]

I'm like 97% sure it was intentionally done in era to stop GCD clicking.

[spoil]

I just asked and Secrets replied he's not fixing it if that's how it was in-era. I didn't play back then so I have no idea.

[Boolius]

Is anyone rolling a necro and going to stay that race after Kunark comes along?

Yeah.

Dark Elf sitting regen + meditate with Hide is better than Iksar regen while FD for frequent AFKs. No 20% exp penalty goes even farther with AAs and 60-65 when at the same time the HP regen gap closes a bit with AA/gear.

I don't often find myself in a situation where an extra twitch to the cleric during a prolonged fight will save us either.

Also Ultravision much > Infravision though night darkness isn't as bad on TAKP as P99 green. Per my style above...I probably won't get a guise.

No hate to my lizard brothers...I'll just take the quality of life over a little min/max power. Not a ton of fights that an Iksar can handle that a lesser race can't.

[IzHaN80]

So i been playing the BETA but i really hate how mouselooks work in there, trying to look up with the mouse, makes you look down and viceversa, plus is super clunky AF...

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Do you dare to roll self found hardcore?

Give me 20 years back on my meter, sure ;)

I can't afford to risk blowing an o-ring these days. But who knows. I like to gamble.

[spoil]

Does anyone know how clickies worked back in classic-PoP era EQ? Secrets said he would look into the issue of having to double-click clickies like goblin skull earring or rod of glamor, etc. for the gcd reset on the condition that double-clicking wasn't classic.

Seems like an arbitrary line to draw since there are other non-classic things on PQ, but that's his decision. It's not even certain that it could be fixed, but at least he's willing to look into it if it's indeed classic.

[Elroz]

Does anyone know how clickies worked back in classic-PoP era EQ? Secrets said he would look into the issue of having to double-click clickies like goblin skull earring or rod of glamor, etc. for the gcd reset on the condition that double-clicking wasn't classic.

Seems like an arbitrary line to draw since there are other non-classic things on PQ, but that's his decision. It's not even certain that it could be fixed, but at least he's willing to look into it if it's indeed classic.

Feels weird posting takp threads on p99 forums, but here's the discussions takp had when implementing the GCD clicky bug/exploit:

https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?threads/global-cooldowns-associated-with-clickies-revisited.6055/

https://www.takproject.net/forums/index.php?threads/shrunken-goblin-skull-earring-takes-a-few-clicks-to-cast.5780/

I don't actually see it mentioned anywhere that using clickies twice was required, but there's old AK players that were still fresh off AK at that point, saying single click worked. When this was first implemented on TAKP, it had an internal cooldown on clickies, so there was small delays forced between using clickies themselves. Looking at posts alone, I don't see why this couldn't be posted as a bug report on TAKP or PQ today.

[Jimjam]

So i been playing the BETA but i really hate how mouselooks work in there, trying to look up with the mouse, makes you look down and viceversa, plus is super clunky AF...

there probs an invert mouselook setting somewhere. was very popular in ol games.

[Elroz]

found this in some old logs about GCD thing too, looks like Yian using jboots to reset cooldown :

[Tue Jun 11 16:11:18 2002] Yian begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:19 2002] a lifestealer mosquito stings Rhyls for 138 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:20 2002] Gestyn slashes a lifestealer mosquito for 41 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:21 2002] A lifestealer mosquito is caught in a torrent of jagged ice.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:21 2002] a lifestealer mosquito bashes Rhyls for 71 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:22 2002] Yian begins to walk faster.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:22 2002] Gestyn slashes a lifestealer mosquito for 51 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:22 2002] Yian begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:26 2002] A lifestealer mosquito is struck down by Solists spear of ice.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:27 2002] a lifestealer mosquito stings Rhyls for 151 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:28 2002] Yian begins to walk faster.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:28 2002] Yian begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:30 2002] a lifestealer mosquito is no longer enraged.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] Rhyls crushes a lifestealer mosquito for 48 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] Rhyls crushes a lifestealer mosquito for 33 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] Gestyn slashes a lifestealer mosquito for 22 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] Gestyn Scores a critical hit!(104)
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] Gestyn slashes a lifestealer mosquito for 104 points of damage.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] A lifestealer mosquito is caught in a torrent of jagged ice.
[Tue Jun 11 16:11:31 2002] a lifestealer mosquito has been slain by Yian!

[Byrjun]

there probs an invert mouselook setting somewhere. was very popular in ol games.

Yes, that option exists, but then it inverts your mouselook elsewhere (first person) which creates a new problem.

The mousewheel camera is a client hack. It doesn't work very well yet. Secrets is trying to improve it and a new update is scheduled for around October 15th. Ultimately Secrets is working to support EverQuest Evolution as the main client, which is very similar to the current client but includes the patch that added the real mousewheel camera like P99 has.

You can wait for these fixes, but I recommend just getting used to playing in first person more because vanilla EQ launches are a lot of fun.

[Zenren]

/melody please

I would love to see this day one. Bard is my favorite class, but I can't play it without melody due to wrist pain.

[Evia]

I would love to see this day one. Bard is my favorite class, but I can't play it without melody due to wrist pain.

melody would be incredibly. i wanna play a bard, and i can manually twist, but i really don't want too. I never realized how tedious and annoying twisting was until i didnt have to do it while playing on Mischief TLP. Switching instead to having 4-6 different melody macros you use was much more engaging and allowed me to focus on more fun aspects of the game instead of all my mental energy on manually twisting.

[Seducio]

Interview with Secrets by LevelUpLarry (streamer) - Another two hour+ long podcast.

Tons of new server info, Secrets past gaming industry experience, Secrets EQ Emu dev philosophy, and Q&A on Project Quarm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMQMRy3nM4

[Ardok]

Just want to say thank you Secrets for making this server, this is going to be big!

[fizzywiz]

I would also like to thank Secrets as well. Looking forward to getting some Quarm on, but still can't decide on my class. While I want Necro, it just doesn't feel right unless it's all Iky!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Nerf enchanters

[Toxigen]

im quarming up to the idea

[fizzywiz]

Nerf enchanters

Haha, I remember this same comment back in the day. As this is a 'mostly' co-operative game, I never understood it then either. It's a great dynamic class that brings a lot to the table for most styles of play.

PS:wtb pug dd's who don't attack mezzed mobs...

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I've been saying nerf enchanters for nearly a quarter of a century.
https://i.imgur.com/yGckozy.jpg

[Seducio]

Secrets has mentioned some concern with the OP nature of Enchanters. I expect PQ enchanters to have a slight handicap compared with p99. However in old school EQ Enchanters do remain OP from classic all the way through PoP in reality.

Current implementation of dealing with this involves the way pet experience will occur. This will impact leveling more than final power at level 50, 60, or 65 given current level cap depending on what expansion is out.

If a charmed pet or any pet is doing over 50% of damage to a mob then not all exp will be earned if solo and the pet may take some of the exp if in a group. Stay tuned for finalized rules on this before server is released soon.

[shokar]

ty secret. ty takp people. thx for nothing rogaine.

[Vexenu]

If a charmed pet or any pet is doing over 50% of damage to a mob then not all exp will be earned if solo and the pet may take some of the exp if in a group. Stay tuned for finalized rules on this before server is released soon.
Has there been any clarification in regard to this rule on whether or not the XP reduction would apply if the pet is released/dismissed before the kill takes place? i.e. the standard pet soloing tactic for XP of breaking charm at <5% and killing the pet, then killing the mob. Or in the case of a Mage, dismissing the pet and finishing the mob with a nuke.

Because it sounds like the change wouldn't affect these tactics at all, and would only apply to pets being buffed/healed, maintained through multiple mobs and otherwise treated as a party member.

[Seducio]

Has there been any clarification in regard to this rule on whether or not the XP reduction would apply if the pet is released/dismissed before the kill takes place? i.e. the standard pet soloing tactic for XP of breaking charm at <5% and killing the pet, then killing the mob. Or in the case of a Mage, dismissing the pet and finishing the mob with a nuke.

Because it sounds like the change wouldn't affect these tactics at all, and would only apply to pets being buffed/healed, maintained through multiple mobs and otherwise treated as a party member.

Yep. The tactic you described should work fine. Reclaiming pet or releasing pet would mean no pet to share exp with.

It's mainly targeted toward charmed pets for solo ENCs and in some cases charmed pets for groups. It some cases it would affect other pet owning classes, but not if you used the tactics you discussed.

Hopefully the pet doing 50% damage threshold and solo/group differences are spelled out in brief detail in Secrets final server announcement. Elsewise you'd have to find the discussion via search on discord which happened over last couple weeks in a few different places on discord.

[Byrjun]

It's mainly targeted toward charmed pets for solo ENCs

Yet it affects Enchanter charm the least since they're already just going to break their charm when both mobs are low to get exp from both.

[fizzywiz]

Yet it affects Enchanter charm the least since they're already just going to break their charm when both mobs are low to get exp from both.
That's what I do. Only to effect afk mages maybe? Weird.

[Byrjun]

If it was about AFK killing then they'd use the 1 damage rule instead. Also the pet exp penalty extends to groups as well.

The only sense I can make of it is that they just don't like pet classes much, especially considering other classes get their penalties removed, kiting penalties are removed, bards get melody, rangers get autofire and panic animal, wizards can crit nuke from day 1, etc.

[Sormen]

i am loving this but could you do something like make the books there but can only port in and you have to be ported out by a druid or wiz so then iksars can mover faster? like if a zone has no way to get to it yes that book works but other then that they are all ports in? and 2 can we not have the bazaar zone at all? that would still keep trade so it is not afk.

[Swish]

Is Secrets going to do a PQ Red server? I asked in Larry's chat but he must have "missed it" :rolleyes:

[Seducio]

Considering the grand success that is Red99 it boggles my mind how Secrets missed that one. Must have too much on the plate as it is.

[Seducio]

No he has no plans to do that, but 2 other people are already working on it. I think it's called Age of Thule? Something of Thule.

Reign of Thule PvP TAKP (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423267) by Darksinga

I haven't followed the status of that one. Not a fan of EQ PvP myself.

I've always wanted to see some kind of contest between the sweatiest e-sport P99 high end raider types vs the PvP vet Zek folks in some kind of balanced contest. Not sure how that could be done in any kind of balanced manner.

The p99 Blue and Green top raiders who have BiS put in some serious DKP to get there and are probably in the most competitive EQ raiding scene on any EQ servers ever Emu or TLP or even Live. The raiders every where else are just not playing at same level. Rotations long replaced batphones everywhere except P99.

PvP EQers, the Zek folks, however have honed their craft of player killing over a couple decades within the massively unbalanced nature of EQ class structure and intricacies most PvE players don't have much experience in.

Some form of competition between these two groups would be super interesting to see if ever facilitated by enterprising devs.

[Secrets]

Is Secrets going to do a PQ Red server? I asked in Larry's chat but he must have "missed it" :rolleyes:

I'm not actually going to do one; I covered this in Larry's interview.

Two reasons:
1) I don't know EQ PvP enough to do it justice. I'm afraid if I were to do this, I would fuck it up, listen to the wrong people, etc.

It's not really something I've ever had an interest in, let alone running.

2) EQ is a solved game. PVP even more so. However, the knowledge gap between playing PVE and playing PVP is far too high, simply due to the lack of interest in PVP over the years.

Meaning, to actually make PVP fun, I feel like I'd have to reinvent the wheel there for it to be accessible to players in not just a way I understand, but that which is easy for players to understand, too.

I would much rather do an 'arena-style' system for Quarm where you queue up for matches, than actually do a server for PVP.

I also don't think that's a "PVP" server, which means it wouldn't be attractive to PVP players. But moreso something on top of PVE content that still caters to PVE'ers.

[Rager and Quitter]

Considering the grand success that is Red99 it boggles my mind how Secrets missed that one. Must have too much on the plate as it is.

The saving grace of Red99 is it acts basically like a penal colony, keeping all of the worst players/trolls/griefers away from the general population.

[Seducio]

Two reasons:
1) I don't know EQ PvP enough to do it justice. I'm afraid if I were to do this, I would fuck it up, listen to the wrong people, etc.

It's not really something I've ever had an interest in, let alone running.

2) EQ is a solved game. PVP even more so. However, the knowledge gap between playing PVE and playing PVP is far too high, simply due to the lack of interest in PVP over the years.

Meaning, to actually make PVP fun, I feel like I'd have to reinvent the wheel there for it to be accessible to players in not just a way I understand, but that which is easy for players to understand, too.

I would much rather do an 'arena-style' system for Quarm where you queue up for matches, than actually do a server for PVP.

I also don't think that's a "PVP" server, which means it wouldn't be attractive to PVP players. But moreso something on top of PVE content that still caters to PVE'ers.

Good humility on where your passion centers and where it wanes. That self awareness of 'what is your why' will take you far. I think most of us are appreciative of the innovation happening on PQ and the emphasis you are placing there. Having the ability and resilience for you to stay in it for the long haul with grace is the best we can hope for. Even p99 devs have more than likely needed breaks for short or long periods of time. Your health matters.

Very interesting with regard to your 'arena-style' system. Almost sounds kind of like FF6 coliseum type idea maybe. I think staying away from direct PVP server and having a few custom PVP elements down the line is in alignment with where the old school EQ player base's passion level for EQ PVP currently is at (low).

[Aviatta_01]

So i been playing the BETA but i really hate how mouselooks work in there, trying to look up with the mouse, makes you look down and viceversa, plus is super clunky AF...

This is my primary hold back from this project. Everything else is super cool. Do people that post here actually try this Beta? This mouselook is ridiculous (at least to me coming form P99).

[Seducio]

Short term solution: Deal with it as it is. Play early. Most likely what you found on Beta will be what release is like. The rough and tumble day 1 model.

Mid term solution: Some current client upgrades arriving Oct 15. May or may not help with mouselook. It's on Secrets to do and will be looked it. Two weeks in there will be possible improvements with current client.

Long term solution: Wait for Evolution client. Currently worked on by Kicnlag (from ProjectLantern). Evolution client comes with built in mousewheel and smooth camera similar to Titanium. No date given yet on when this will be released for PQ.

Eventually when Evolution client is out the transition from p99 to PQ will be nearly seamless from player perspective used to p99 controls.

[Atlaanta]

I would love /melody for a Bard the pain i experience from my Carpal tunnel syndrome is unbearable to manually twist. The server being only 1 Box means /melody wouldn't be abused to box. This will enable a lot of the player base who loves Bards to be able to return to it. Without it, many would be forced to play a class they didn't intend to play as.

[Seducio]

I would love /melody for a Bard the pain i experience from my Carpal tunnel syndrome is unbearable to manually twist. The server being only 1 Box means /melody wouldn't be abused to box. This will enable a lot of the player base who loves Bards to be able to return to it. Without it, many would be forced to play a class they didn't intend to play as.

I disagree with all modern QOL features, but there's something to be said about scrollwheel, a camera that doesn't stutter on moving, spell loadout sets, autofire, buff timers, DoT damage, melody, etc - those are reasonable accommodations for a game in 2023.

They don't fundamentally change the gameplay, which is the most important part of EQ to replicate. .

Be careful what you wish for, friend. :)

[Byrjun]

Do people that post here actually try this Beta? This mouselook is ridiculous (at least to me coming form P99).

Yes, I just use first person a lot more than I would on P99.

[Jimjam]

Idk why people unpersoning pets. They deserve xp for their contributions as much as, if not more than, the rogue with a tarnished spear at level 12.

[Seducio]

Idk why people unpersoning pets. They deserve xp for their contributions as much as, if not more than, the rogue with a tarnished spear at level 12.

Wacky Event idea that will never happen #204:

I wonder if it's possible to do an event like "The Great Pet Rebellion"

For one random hour every three months all pets, charmed or summoned, will attack their masters. Four times a year pets get revenge on the abuse they continually take. Possibly with Project M style elements where people could log into a random pet.

A fleet-wide or server-wide revolt of Gibaner. Only the coolest pet owners survive.

[Seducio]

A couple people have asked me for what the finalized rules are. The rules are currently on discord in mostly finalized form. I am fairly certain Secrets will post a final notice here upon server release. With server release so close to Oct 1st I suggest you only go with what Secrets says at this point and not anyone else. In the meantime here is the latest server announcement I could find:

>>
Secrets [Chainbreaker/ProjectQuarm]
OP
— 09/24/2023 3:36 PM
Welcome to Project Quarm (https://projectquarm.com/), a 1-Box EverQuest emulated server based on the TAKProject (https://www.takproject.net/) codebase!

Project Quarm is a 1-box, PoP-locked progression server.

Below are the highlights:

Time-Locked Progression Server -
9 Months of Classic, 9 Months of Kunark, 9 Months of Velious, 9 Months of Luclin, Planes of Power final expansion.

Planes of Power may contain custom mechanics post-PoP.

One-Box Policy, enforced by IP & manual CSR intervention.

Era restrictions apply to prevent out-of-era mechanics. This is done selectively.

MGBs at level 1, and other 'TAKP-like' features are enabled selectively. For example, Monk AC is in its 'pre-nerf' state.

Selective Clientside Quality of Life - Mouse Wheel Camera, Buff Timers, Auto-Stand on Cast. Additional QOL may be added in the future.

Optional Rulesets: Solo, Self Found, and Hardcore

We're launching October 1st, 2023 @ 3pm EST.

See you then!
>>

[Secrets]

https://i.imgur.com/8xwN5aW.jpg

[Botten]

Going to give it a try.

What class and race to start thou...

The obvious should be halfling cleric (hide, sneak, XP bonus and Reebo's Carrots quest; love running the two close to one another.)

Then there is Ogre Warrior - will be hard, due to size and will need help to get DE mask but the extra HP will be enjoyed by any group.

Then there is Druid - all races are good; with halfling again having a slight edge on others. (We need ports on the server.)

Then there is Wizard - Perhaps DE for those long sits using hide (For the planar visits)

Enchanter - gamer's choice on race but everyone love Clarity

Troll Shaman - Perhaps worshiping Innoruuk for later fun.




If the server population is low I may go for one of the reliable solo classes.
necro or bard


There is some real opportunity here to get a huge influx of permanent players if you hint at veteran AAs (if the players from start to finish end up sticking it out and playing until PoP.)

[Zweibierbitte]

The obvious should be halfling cleric (hide, sneak, XP bonus and Reebo's Carrots quest; love running the two close to one another.)


No XP from Reebo's Carrots.

https://github.com/EQMacEmu/quests/blob/main/rivervale/Reebo_Leafsway.lua

[Jimjam]

No soup for you :(

[Botten]

Hey I find this valuable info! Thanks I will need to look about for another easy exp quest.

[Seducio]

If a charmed pet or any pet is doing over 50% of damage to a mob then not all exp will be earned if solo and the pet may take some of the exp if in a group. Stay tuned for finalized rules on this before server is released soon.

Regarding 50% damage threshold for pet exp:

>>
PantheonPatient — Today at 4:31 PM
Pets taking xp went through many changes as to how much they took and how much damage you had to do in the classic through planes of power timeline. Whichever one they decide to go with is fine with me
Jibrish — Today at 4:31 PM
no, it will take half solo
Secrets — Today at 4:31 PM
Accurate from Classic Launch until Luclin. Enables pet experience weights in groups (or 50% if solo) if a single pet deals more than 50% damage to a target out of all contributing damage. This is set to true on beta.
RhythmIO — Today at 4:31 PM
Man, so torn on what to play with all of this...
Secrets — Today at 4:31 PM
50% exp is taken while solo if taken by your pet. If in a group, the single pet dealing more than 50% becomes an effective group member if dealt more than 50% damage.
This goes away in Luclin here
>>

[aussenseiter]

What if clicking a teleporter broke fd or hide or invisibility effects?

[Botten]

Does Note for Rebby still a good exp and money maker? How about the muffin quest? Err with helpers.

[Albane]

I look forward to trying this new server out in a month. Unfortunately, you timed your release 2 days before New Worlds first Xpac.

[Vheran]

Yes, I just use first person a lot more than I would on P99.

i don't know if this was just kid me not knowing any better, but I pretty much exclusively used first person 1999-2001 until I went to DAOC

[algernop]

It beats waiting years or an eternity for green 2.0

[Aviatta_01]

Some very helpful edits, tips, tricks for setting up quarm, such as enabling HD textures, enabling old style skeletons, fixing loud ambient sounds, etc. etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spMp-f7S7FA&t=321s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvhGnkbRW9g

[rabarbar000]

It beats waiting years or an eternity for green 2.0

Yeah, I guess Im gonna just quit p99 for now cuz admins refuse to mergee servers and do green two and in my timezone UTC +1 both green and bue are dead on lover to mid lvls. I hope PQ gonna have good population (at least stable 1k :D )

[Evia]

a friend of mine works at amazon studios and is working on NW. He's always giving me updates on the game or telling me what theyre working on.

i dont have the heart to tell him that no matter what he does im never playing NW again. shit was trash. constant clicking for combat is fun for a few hrs but for long game sessions its literally painful.

[Swish]

Yeah, I guess Im gonna just quit p99 for now cuz admins refuse to mergee servers and do green two and in my timezone UTC +1 both green and bue are dead on lover to mid lvls. I hope PQ gonna have good population (at least stable 1k :D )

Anyone in Europe is kinda screwed these days for sure. I started just soloing what I could.

[Botten]

Night all see ya on Quarm tomorrow!

[grimror]

ahhh another P99 server rife with corruption--cannot wait. How do you guys get Daybreak to keep agreeing to this shit? Asking for a friend.

[silo32]

Server with no anti cheat, expecting the very few staff to monitor people for showEQ and warping is just.... so fucking lol.... y'all been warned i mean, it's run by secrets. You expected better? Server will pop with a slow decline, no pun intended but it's surely DOA

[Jimjam]

Anyone in Europe is kinda screwed these days for sure. I started just soloing what I could.

Theres been a bunch of untwinked barbarians in blackburrow recently on my play tome (green). Got a rogue up to 12 (someone gifted me a prenerf chode prod, which is an enormous help).

[Barik]

I'm guessing 3-4k population

[Elizondo]

bD7bpG-zDJQ

[Evia]

Unlike my wow hc experience, I don't want alts. So I'm trying to figure out which class I want to main for the life of the server.

Currently torn between
Wizard, Bard or Ranger.

Kinda leaning Wizard because
1) good in classic
2) good money making with ports
3) top dps class at end of the server timeline

But Ranger with aas sounds badass but it's a ~2 year commitment before that.
And Bard is what I played on Mischief and I really enjoyed raiding on him.

[Meneldor]

Link to discord and additional files please

[Jimjam]

I'm gonna be half elf warrior of justice. Will make a pilgrimage to Halas to investigate my potential lineage. Can't wait to get faction and level up to acquire a langseax or langseax of the wolves!

If it doesn't go well I'll probably do something easier like druid, enc, nec or mag.

I've just made a new takp folder with the quarm patch.

Has anyone made a file icon for quarm that looks like the discord icon?

I'd like an icon that stands out from the other eq ones I hav.

[Evia]

I'm gonna be half elf warrior of justice. Will make a pilgrimage to Halas to investigate my potential lineage. Can't wait to get faction and level up to acquire a langseax or langseax of the wolves!

If it doesn't go well I'll probably do something easier like druid, enc, nec or mag.

I've just made a new takp folder with the quarm patch.

Has anyone made a file icon for quarm that looks like the discord icon?

I'd like an icon that stands out from the other eq ones I hav.

way awesome idea!! see it through! i've always wanted to do a half-elf warrior.
they're super rare, have awesome robocop helm, and all animations are pretty good.

hope you dont give up on it!

[Seducio]

I'd like an icon that stands out from the other eq ones I hav.

[Jimjam]

Thank you friends!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

....However in old school EQ Enchanters do remain OP from classic all the way through PoP in reality....

Over-equipped as part of the holy trinity? Yes, surely. Weep. Maximum utility class.

Overpowered? No. Charm as we know it is not classic. I need to see parses of everyone running groups with petted enchanters, or I say, no, it's not classic at all.

Charisma is a vendor stat. Keep it that way. Filthy pets. I gotta piss!

[Seducio]

Overpowered? No. Charm as we know it is not classic. I need to see parses of everyone running groups with petted enchanters, or I say, no, it's not classic at all.

Go ask the TAKP folks if Enchanters remain OP through Plane of Power. In fact outside of the 'PQ only' change to Monks AC, TAKP remains a great place to see the end point in PoP for where each of the different classes will end up on PQ.

[Xer0]

I'm guessing 3-4k population

lol thats funny because once it got to about 2k the loginserver stopped working.

FUrthermore the client is every bit as trash as TAKP. Guaranteed in 3 months it's less popular than TAKP. What a shitshow. Guess those of us who have been dreaming for a pop-era server with a stable, functional client will have to keep waiting

[ganzfeld]

it requiring discord really is a non starter for me, i can't deal with that overload

[Vexenu]

lol thats funny because once it got to about 2k the loginserver stopped working.

FUrthermore the client is every bit as trash as TAKP. Guaranteed in 3 months it's less popular than TAKP. What a shitshow. Guess those of us who have been dreaming for a pop-era server with a stable, functional client will have to keep waiting
God forbid the all-volunteer project that hosts a FREE server has some launch hiccups.

An appalling display of entitlement and ingratitude on your part.

[Xer0]

God forbid the all-volunteer project that hosts a FREE server has some launch hiccups.

An appalling display of entitlement and ingratitude on your part.


Sorry but this isn't the first go around. The entire point of the server was that it's a single-box alternative to TAKP in a client that's not a complete and utter mess of a hackjob. And it's been in beta for how long now? Simple things like "chaging resolution without the game closing itself on you and resetting your changes" shouldn't be an issue anymore. A simple thing like a game resolution change shouldn't require ini modifications from the end user, and guess what? You'll never change my mind about that no matter how hard you want this server to be a success. :p

[Elrood]

I suppose I'm not the only one getting a message from Dropbox when attempting to download the client that it's been temporarily disabled?

[Evia]

huh. i get disconnected as soon as i try to connect to the server.
1800 online tho is pretty impressive!

[aussenseiter]

huh. i get disconnected as soon as i try to connect to the server.
1800 online tho is pretty impressive!

You probably didn't download the Quarm dll and paste it into the folder.

Get it here (projectquarm.com)

[Elrood]

Man, I've been trying for hours to download the client with no luck. The download is disabled. How is everyone else getting it? Is there an alternative download?

[Toxigen]

best server ever

[Evia]

You probably didn't download the Quarm dll and paste it into the folder.

Get it here (projectquarm.com)

you are right! thanks!

got in and got my names reserved. ill let the server hype cool down a bit before trying to kill bats in the newb yard.

[Old_PVP]

Man, I've been trying for hours to download the client with no luck. The download is disabled. How is everyone else getting it? Is there an alternative download?

https://sahaquiel.us/quarm/TAKP2.2.zip

[Secrets]

Sorry but this isn't the first go around. The entire point of the server was that it's a single-box alternative to TAKP in a client that's not a complete and utter mess of a hackjob. And it's been in beta for how long now? Simple things like "chaging resolution without the game closing itself on you and resetting your changes" shouldn't be an issue anymore. A simple thing like a game resolution change shouldn't require ini modifications from the end user, and guess what? You'll never change my mind about that no matter how hard you want this server to be a success. :p

For the client? Yup! I agree. Though, TAKP players have played on this exact client for years. The crash in particular is related to dgvoodoo, not the game, though.

Unfortunately we need to stay within Daybreak's good graces, so we are having to follow the similar policy on client distribution that P99 has - that is, you have to acquire it yourself and configure it yourself. If that's too hard, well, I understand your plight.

That's why we're moving over to the Evolution client long-term. I'm not happy about the state of the TAKP client, either, and over the next 6 months we'll be adding support for Evolution which should handle device resets natively, and also contain the "EQ Cam" patch that was introduced in LoY that stayed all the way through Titanium.

[Secrets]

lol thats funny because once it got to about 2k the loginserver stopped working.

FUrthermore the client is every bit as trash as TAKP. Guaranteed in 3 months it's less popular than TAKP. What a shitshow. Guess those of us who have been dreaming for a pop-era server with a stable, functional client will have to keep waiting

This crash was on the TAKP codebase since its inception. I wrote the netcode a decade ago when I was still learning how to code, so I've since modernized the handling of the old netcode stream proxies in under 2 hours last night.

The result was a fix for memory corruption and a memory leak that resulted in both the loginserver and worldserver crashing under extreme load. They would've never found that without PQ's help, and now long-term, there's another huge fix for EQMac's emulation by proxy.

I suppose it's hard to really scope this stuff when you aren't working on it, but I figured I owed you an explanation of why it took 2 hours to unwind code from 10 years ago.

You can also see the commit that fixed it here:
https://github.com/EQMacEmu/Server/commit/5d3d86748f6ca49c037ae8234c040b366745e059

[magnetaress]

^^^ true coder all time champ right there.

[aussenseiter]

but I figured I owed you an explanation of why it took 2 hours to unwind code from 10 years ago.

Oh man 🤩😂

[Toxigen]

https://i.imgur.com/Roeg4LA.jpg

[Byrjun]

Server is very fun.

The game feels harder compared to P99, and I'm pretty sure exp is slower too. Combined with the older client I'm sure this will keep a lot of people away but it feels great to me.

Just hit level 9 earlier and it felt massive. Message Wizurg for SoW.

[Seducio]

That's why we're moving over to the Evolution client long-term. I'm not happy about the state of the TAKP client, either, and over the next 6 months we'll be adding support for Evolution which should handle device resets natively, and also contain the "EQ Cam" patch that was introduced in LoY that stayed all the way through Titanium.

Thanks for the timeline on this. I had a few RL friends ask me for an eta on Evolution I can let them know about it now. If Evolution is in place as an option before Kunark then PQ server has a long life ahead of it.

New server rocks. Great attitude from you as a dev and your team deployed with you on server launch. You weren't fazed so far dealing with server bumps though the limitations of Discord as a communication channel showed with so many on at launch. Hopping onto Twitch for real time code editing to fix server code was a particular treat. More server bumps to come I'm sure - more likely from small part of player base that pushes rules to the envelope in ways that aren't good. Cool seeing it all play out in real time. Grateful.

[Torven]

I want to apologize for how dumb Gfay's spawngroups are

[Voodude]

Anyone playing on Quarm experiencing a horrible side-strafing jitter? It's giving me a headache.

[Seducio]

Suggestions:

Use:
/inspect off

Set:
Windows Defender exclusions https://wiki.takp.info/index.php/Set_Windows_Defender_Exclusion_on_Windows_10

Each PC is different. Try setting your fps lower. Some have had luck with 30 fps, 40 fps, and 45 fps.

60 fps is default and should work great for most. Others can set unlimited fps on some machines and get up into the 100s, 200s, or higher no problem.

See below for use of /fps and /rfps by Secrets in discord. You can also use the ini file.
>>
Toxic/Vegains/Kattywompus — 09/22/2023 6:03 AM
what is /rfps
Secrets — 09/22/2023 6:03 AM
reload fps
Toxic/Vegains/Kattywompus — 09/22/2023 6:03 AM
does that work for all of us?
Secrets — 09/22/2023 6:03 AM
yes
also /fps
works on takp client too
Toxic/Vegains/Kattywompus — 09/22/2023 6:04 AM
does it only work for those part of the eqclientini
or does it reload the entire thing?
Secrets — 09/22/2023 6:04 AM
works for those 3 options
its all custom
>>

The future Evolution client eventually fixes this.

[Seducio]

Defense being hard to raise if you neglect it is a very, very well known phenomenon and is entirely accurate. Our skill-up difficulty values are pulled from the client. If you don't keep up with raising the skill then it becomes very hard to raise because it can only raise on a successful miss. If the skill is near zero then mobs will almost never miss you if your skill is super low and you keep leveling. The math on avoidance is precise.

In fact I always tell new players that they absolutely need to tank level 1 mobs to max defensive skill once they hit level 4 otherwise they'll outpace their skill and won't be able to raise it without arena visits.

Here is a great tip for new players on the PQ server from dedicated TAKP dev Torven that shares underlying Defense skill up code.

-Make sure to work on Defense skill early.
-Upon death at level 9 you spawn at bind point with full gear and no exp loss.
-Upon death at level 10 you spawn without gear but still no exp loss.
-Upon death at level 11 you spawn without gear and begin to lose exp upon death.

Plan accordingly and get those Defense skill points early prior to level 9 and level 10 so you don't end up with a high level character with very low Defense skill.

[magnetaress]

Good to know. I remember it being a big deal back in the day to get defense up. Didn't they patch it so you could raise it if you pulled a bunch of greens by like kunark? I remember standing in the newb yard vs greens getting smacked just to get up into the 40s defense wise.

[Swish]

During Velious on live you could go into ToFS or wherever and stand on a trap which had a chance to raise defense. Just keep standing there and bingo, just a time thing. Did it for a few sit down characters that were allergic to being hit.

[Evia]

What's everyone's char names on Quarm? I'll add you to friends list. Maybe we can get a p99 grp going! I'm playing Kell the Ranger, Thrice the Wizard, Kellian the Bard and Buddy the Paladin.

Still having a tough time deciding which to main. And based on how slow exp feels I'll definitely be focusing on just one.

[Jimjam]

I’m still on my half elf warrior of the seventh hammer, Justin. Very slowly crawling up levels, but at least my defence skills are capped for level now (didn’t get my first one until 3 hours of game play had elapsed!)

[magnetaress]

Numinaru

[Aviatta_01]

Does the DUXA all in one installer tool work on Quarm? If not all the functions but at least the UI portion standalone?

[magnetaress]

I don't think it will. Very iffy prospects cuz eq changed inis directory structures and ui a lot between trilogy and titanium. Probably file types for music too

[Aviatta_01]

I don't think it will. Very iffy prospects cuz eq changed inis directory structures and ui a lot between trilogy and titanium. Probably file types for music too

Looks like this nerd did

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iV_wwJMJdM

[Homesteaded]

The client here is just so bad. Can’t use all filter for melee, shakey mouselook, targeting is horrendous. Love the idea but the client is just a hurdle that is too much for me to fight through.

[Toxigen]

The client here is just so bad. Can’t use all filter for melee, shakey mouselook, targeting is horrendous. Love the idea but the client is just a hurdle that is too much for me to fight through.

Secrets knows this. Plan is to go to Evolution client within 6 months.

[aussenseiter]

Does the DUXA all in one installer tool work on Quarm? If not all the functions but at least the UI portion standalone?

I wouldn't think so. It does come with several UIs including duxa and there's a loadskin button in options or type /loadskin UIName 1

[Aviatta_01]

I wouldn't think so. It does come with several UIs including duxa and there's a loadskin button in options or type /loadskin UIName 1

Got it, thanks. Just noticed that Duxa was baked into the client, so I simply loaded the UI skin natively.

[supermoonbeam]

A few weird things about clip plane - in Nek forest when my clip plane is set to 25-30% it's "max". If I raise it to 100 I lose view distance. When I zone into EC it's reverted and normal and I have to move it to 100%

[magnetaress]

if you struggle with tab targeting try setting use center screen to alt q

I have use center screen as alt q and also an ctrl q bind for that and ctrl q for hail for turn in quests

[menadwen]

I can't even get the game to launch. Crashes at login screen, o well back to p99.

[aussenseiter]

I can't even get the game to launch. Crashes at login screen, o well back to p99.

Thisen hisen? (https://wiki.takp.info/index.php/Getting_Started_on_Windows#Known_Issues_and_Troubl eshooting)

EQMAIN.DLL error running the game

This happens if you try to launch the game from Windows Search results. Don't launch from search results. Navigate to the folder manually and run eqgame.exe directly, or create a desktop shortcut, or launch via hotkey.net
Also this error can happen if your anti-virus deletes some game files. Make sure you set AV exclusions and the game files aren't being quarantined

[menadwen]

Thisen hisen? (https://wiki.takp.info/index.php/Getting_Started_on_Windows#Known_Issues_and_Troubl eshooting)

EQMAIN.DLL error running the game

This happens if you try to launch the game from Windows Search results. Don't launch from search results. Navigate to the folder manually and run eqgame.exe directly, or create a desktop shortcut, or launch via hotkey.net
Also this error can happen if your anti-virus deletes some game files. Make sure you set AV exclusions and the game files aren't being quarantined

Turned out to be I had wineq running.

[Swish]

The client here is just so bad. Can’t use all filter for melee, shakey mouselook, targeting is horrendous. Love the idea but the client is just a hurdle that is too much for me to fight through.

The targeting is so bad, but seems classic - I remember it being bad :D

[Meneldor]

Here is a great tip for new players on the PQ server from dedicated TAKP dev Torven that shares underlying Defense skill up code.

-Make sure to work on Defense skill early.
-Upon death at level 9 you spawn at bind point with full gear and no exp loss.
-Upon death at level 10 you spawn without gear but still no exp loss.
-Upon death at level 11 you spawn without gear and begin to lose exp upon death.

Plan accordingly and get those Defense skill points early prior to level 9 and level 10 so you don't end up with a high level character with very low Defense skill.


Defense skills faster at lvl 4 if you have a full set of cloth armor. A full set costs 2.5p. Defense skills on successfully mitigation ac rolls. If you have nothing but the 2ac newbie shirt, that 2 AC is the only thing generating successful mitigation checks.

I parsed this about 20 times during beta. If you want to skill defense, get suited up in cloth.

[Jimjam]

Defense skills faster at lvl 4 if you have a full set of cloth armor. A full set costs 2.5p. Defense skills on successfully mitigation ac rolls. If you have nothing but the 2ac newbie shirt, that 2 AC is the only thing generating successful mitigation checks.

I parsed this about 20 times during beta. If you want to skill defense, get suited up in cloth.

This makes sense, I started a half elf warrior in qeynos (not bertox) so had no newbie and therefore had no worn AC and didn't get any defence sill ups for 3 hours (ie until I had looted some cloth armour to wear).

[magnetaress]

Aussenseiter delivering tech help is proof Aussenseiter is on quarm lol.

[Lune]

Defense skills faster at lvl 4 if you have a full set of cloth armor. A full set costs 2.5p. Defense skills on successfully mitigation ac rolls. If you have nothing but the 2ac newbie shirt, that 2 AC is the only thing generating successful mitigation checks.

I parsed this about 20 times during beta. If you want to skill defense, get suited up in cloth.

Wonder if it worked this way on live. Would explain why my naked rallos zek character with bagged gear never got any skillups

[magnetaress]

I remember having to work hard to keep defense capped early on.

At some point they did change it so dark greens would give defense skillups so you could delay capping it to like lvl 6 and 14 ish.

[Kolthek]

Does DOT damage show on Quarm?

[magnetaress]

it should now? it is planned 2 secrets was workin hard on it

[Seducio]

Does DOT damage show on Quarm?

Yes, DOT damage currently shows.

[MrSaker2]

Viable rangers, gimped monks, and beastlords oh my!

Loved Luclin, but then I wasn't raiding.

Will newbie class armor be in from the get-go or is that pegged to Luclin/PoP era progression?

Oh I really enjoyed the newbie armor quests!, that would be a nice plus for starting on this once the "full release" opens

[magnetaress]

newbie armor was so painful when i did it on live, it is really cool tho to get that set and finally bank it just to take it out on special occasions, i did the bertox rogue armor on live, took me 3+ weeks of farming 2-3 spawns

[Seducio]

gimped monks

PQ Monks will end up differently than TAKP monks due to changes to Monk AC mitigation that are PQ only. So PQ Monks > TAKP Monks at endgame. Whether PQ Monks have the same relative power as a P99 monk remains to be seen and it might depend on the era.

[Insomnia]

Dark Elf Clerics with the purple plate newbie armor, was fucking awesome.

[Toxigen]

level 50 mages and bards already lol

[magnetaress]

You say it like it's a bad thing?

Even tho I disagree with secrets on fast spawns and faster than classic exp during the gold rush it's good for ppl who do want to sock and get it out of their system.

Secrets is creating stronk dopamine links among some of the most active players and community builders!

[Rager and Quitter]

Yes, DOT damage currently shows.

I didn't see DoT damage on my shammy. Maybe I had something turned off?

[Jimjam]

Update your pq patch?

[magnetaress]

it's kinda hidden in a sub thread and labled experimental its the -2 one

[NachtMystium]

Some very helpful edits, tips, tricks for setting up quarm, such as enabling HD textures, enabling old style skeletons, fixing loud ambient sounds, etc. etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spMp-f7S7FA&t=321s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvhGnkbRW9g

Thank you so much for this! I've got my wood-elf warrior created, haven't decided on what area I want to begin but I started in GFay on green so I wanna go to another starter area... Hmmm. Can't wait to run to some far off place at level 1! The Thrill!

Holler at Tarquinn the wood-elf warrior in-game if anyone wants to shoot the shit!

Also Thank you to Secrets and staff for everything!

[Jimjam]

The only elf on this server is half elf of justice wielding a Langseax!!

[Seducio]

The only elf on this server is half elf of justice wielding a Langseax!!

Grats bud

[Jimjam]

Grats bud

Thank you, I did have to garner some assistance from an acquaintance that had out levelled me.

[magnetaress]

I really haven't seen many half elves.

[Jimjam]

There are a few of us (half elves) in Qeynos. Especially Surefall starters. I’ve only seen one other (half elf) warrior. It is a bad race for warrior in Qeynos. They aren’t accepted by the steel warriors. I think Bertox ones at least get a Bloodsabres newbie note.

[Swish]

In the bard stakes half elves seem under-repped as well.

[Mortec]

Got in after a few good ole' 1001 errors, but now..

On char create. The mouse wont move to the bottom of the window to click next(!), just kinda skips outta of it! In fact, all of the lower part of the window is... inaccessible.

Hopefully missing something easy/obvious, but appreciate some help.

Thanks.

[Seducio]

Are you able to change the resolution in eqclient.ini?

You can set it to lower then your monitor to get things going and adjust once its up and running.

Look for this line in the ini and adjust numbers below it:

[VideoMode]

[Mortec]

Are you able to change the resolution in eqclient.ini?

You can set it to lower then your monitor to get things going and adjust once its up and running.

Look for this line in the ini and adjust numbers below it:

[VideoMode]

That worked! Quick and simple.

Thanks alot!

[Maelonic]

Can someone link the place I have to go to fill out so my husband can play with me please!

[magnetaress]

You petition it on their discord.

[Maelonic]

Alright what part is there a petition are there?

[Mortecon]

Greetings,

Please see my signature and click “how to petition” to get started.


If you meant for Quarm, I have no idea sry!

[Seducio]

IP exceptions handled slightly differently on both servers.

For P99:
>>
These requests we handle exclusively ON THE FORUMS. Please use the appropriate prefixes when posting:

IP Exemption: This is for requesting to be exempt from the limit of 1 connection per IP Address. You may request exemption if you have more than 1 real person playing from the same IP. When posting for this, please include the account names of every person that will be playing from the same IP, as well as the identities (real first names) / relations to those players, and please make sure that at least one character has been created under each account. Please verify the spelling of each account you specify. This format works best: Real first name - Relationship - Loginserver Account Name
If you fail to provide us the format we have requested it will delay your request.
If you have requested an IP Exemption in the past please provide those accounts too.
This will fix the "Temporary IP ban" error.
>>


For PQ:
Go to Discord for Project Quarm
#petitions tab
>>
Please include your character name in the petition for faster service.
>>

[Maelonic]

Thanks that is all I needed to know!

[aussenseiter]

Addendum: do not ask TAKP for an exemption.

Ask in the Quarm discord channel.

[Mortec]

Anyone know whats going on here?

[Mortec]

Anyone know whats going on here?

Answering meself. Seems to be related to the d3d8.dll thingie..

[Mead]

In the bard stakes half elves seem under-repped as well.

You playin'?

[Meneldor]

In the bard stakes half elves seem under-repped as well.

That's because small banded is much more suitable for a low str race.

Half elves not being able to wear small banded/bronze is a huge disadvantage.

Also no Hide, no Forage, and no FeirDal cultural tradeskills.

Half Elf just sucks compared to Wood Elf.

The 5 higher base stam and dex just isn't worth it.

[magnetaress]

Best race for half elf is warrior. All the rest do suck pretty bad. Druid is fun too.

Being not a wood elf is always nice. Wood elfs are gross. They remind me of warped psychotic barbiedolls with spray tans and an instagram account.

Would be very nice if Secrets legit coded half elf clerics, wizards, and necromancers, and shadowknights in as a playable race/class combo! And opened up some more dieties.

[Jimjam]

I think the only deity half elves are missing is Cazic-Thule - surely some kind of oversight!!

[Jimjam]

Public service announcement.

I love how clean the PQ discord is, but I just want to give fair warning DO NOT ABBREVIATE BONE BLADED CLAYMORE in there. Not even in a thread about people wanting BBC to drop more commonly.

[Homesteaded]

Heard a rumor about GMs DTing folks for fun?

[Ekco]

wouldn't surprise me considering the first GM event was literally a "what if a 13 yr old got ahold of a GM account" simulator.

[Hailto]

How are so people just ignoring the god awful mouse look and 3rd person view problems? Its so bad.

[Nexsar]

Heard a rumor about GMs DTing folks for fun?

wouldn't surprise me considering the first GM event was literally a "what if a 13 yr old got ahold of a GM account" simulator.

Why is this surprising to anyone?

[Meneldor]

How are so people just ignoring the god awful mouse look and 3rd person view problems? Its so bad.

By not using it.

Get gud.

[Seducio]

How are so people just ignoring the god awful mouse look and 3rd person view problems? Its so bad.

This probably affects p99ers the most. Devs knew some would feel this way since Titanium client has such a smooth camera system. Evolution client is on the way to address by end of March.

Folks coming from TAKP to PQ actually are experiencing QoL on PQ. Things like mousewheel and few others that won't ever officially be on TAKP.

[Hailto]

By not using it.

Get gud.

Are you implying keyboard turning is good? lmao

[magnetaress]

Heard a rumor about GMs DTing folks for fun?

I haven't been DT'd yet. Then again I'm not a lil snot pushing boundaries and trying to bully my way around the server lol.

All of my player and staff interaction has been STELLAR. My friend got squelched on discord for an acronym used tongue in cheek in a sexual way that was really grey area. Butt they didn't murder them.

Seems like a great box and community. The mods are OG and will be spicy little shits right back atchu if you are. Otherwise they seem to be good hamster parents 🐹

[Jimjam]

Are you implying keyboard turning is good? lmao

You can actually mouse look in 1st person too, you know?

/face for rear view mirror on PQ.

[shoestring]

How are so people just ignoring the god awful mouse look and 3rd person view problems? Its so bad.
you're supposed to play EQ in 1st person
this isn't WoW

[Moforyguy]

you're supposed to play EQ in 1st person
this isn't WoW

Oh look its someone who thinks everyone should enjoy the game the way they do....even when its just a choice of option lol. That is embarrassing. I have played EQ since 2000 and have always used alternating camera views even when it was TERRIBLE back in the day. Just because you enjoy Chocolate doesn't mean someone else can't like Dark Chocolate...stop it.

[magnetaress]

WoW runed MMOs AND RPGs and FPSs with their 3rd person bullshit.

[Elizondo]

Quarm is for folks chasing that 'fresh server' feeling and settling for an inferior product

[Jimjam]

Quarm is for folks chasing that 'fresh server' feeling and settling for an inferior product

Sorry you didn’t get folks.

[Hailto]

Quarm is for folks chasing that 'fresh server' feeling and settling for an inferior product

This is objectively true, there is no other explanation

[Seducio]

This is objectively true, there is no other explanation

Some people like options. For instance p99 currently isn't the most popular Old school EQ server. Things can change back of course and will likely fluctuate over time as to which Emu server is most populated. Currently that is PQ.

Live, TLP, EQ Emu, overall having many different EQ options is good for Everquest players.

Inferior, Superior, and other considerations differ depending on where the EQ player is coming from.

Many P99ers will consider the TAKP client inferior to Titanium because it is. That complaint goes away when Evolution is released.

[magnetaress]

Quarm needs a lot of db work butt it is def in a playable state there's a few things i'm like ehhh about butt not going to mention to the staff cuz lazy

[Seducio]

Nilbog's fifteen year dedication to classic EQ shows quite a bit in p99. P99s classic db is best compared with anything else out there. TAKP devs have been working to shore up the classic part of their db lately. But the differences are apparent.

[aussenseiter]

Some people like options. For instance p99 currently isn't the most popular Old school EQ server. Things can change back of course and will likely fluctuate over time as to which Emu server is most populated. Currently that is PQ.

Live, TLP, EQ Emu, overall having many different EQ options is good for Everquest players.

Inferior, Superior, and other considerations differ depending on where the EQ player is coming from.

Many P99ers will consider the TAKP client inferior to Titanium because it is. That complaint goes away when Evolution is released.

Eh it never had mousewheel when I played it for real so I don't want it now.

[Seducio]

Eh it never had mousewheel when I played it for real so I don't want it now.

Rumor on the street is Trilogy client will also be made to work with PQ eventually (long term - no eta) if you really want to be a purist.

There are dozens of you. Dozens!

[Bisonzabi]

We need forced 4:3 aspect ratio, random server maintenance shutdowns without warning and artificial latency spikes to emulate the days when everyone had dial up. Then we'll truly have a purist albeit miserable experience.

[magnetaress]

People grouped more for safety and the ability to take turns doing afk groups do to internet instability. That said 90% of the solo farmers will always take a cleric for extra rezzez and stuff if you really don't like playing alone.

[aussenseiter]

We need forced 4:3 aspect ratio, random server maintenance shutdowns without warning and artificial latency spikes to emulate the days when everyone had dial up. Then we'll truly have a purist albeit miserable experience.

No pain no gain

[Bisonzabi]

No pain no gain

This is what happens when gatekeeping becomes a mental illness and completely irrational.

[aussenseiter]

This is what happens when gatekeeping becomes a mental illness and completely irrational.

It's not worth anything if you don't suffer for it.

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