Do anyone know if a new p99 server will come ever?

[Devorador]

Would like to know to not check It everyday 🤦

[Lampolo]

Yes there will be new green server plus merge Oct 19th

[enjchanter]

Just don't check
Jeez

[ya.dingus]

merging with blue is death of the project.

It sports sub 300 numbers on average. It's a broken environment.

[Ennewi]

Blue
Status:
Players: UP
469

Off-peak hours right now, on a Monday. Summertime numbers generally lower across the board regardless.

[tamarack]

No!! They'll make it OLDER!!

[Dolalin]

Yes it will come. No, I don't know when.

[ya.dingus]

Off-peak hours right now, on a Monday. Summertime numbers generally lower across the board regardless.

Ah yes, when blue players resort to red player tactics of counting 100-+ people as significant to the server...

Yeah that place is dead, and honestly, rightfully so.

14+ years of bad history in a beta state. If anything, that server should be deprecated.

[cadoipi]

Would like to know to not check It everyday 🤦

Every time someone makes a thread asking this question, the date is pushed back a month. By my count we are somewhere in 2029 and are in danger of missing the 30th anniversary. Great work!

[Pootle]

Would like to know to not check It everyday 🤦

Why do you need a new server? Roll a new level 1 and dont twink it.
Done.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Why do you need a new server? Roll a new level 1 and dont twink it.
Done.

Not remotely the same, and you either know that and are just being an asshat by saying the same dumb troll shit we've heard over and over, or you're genuinely that misinformed about the game that you can't see how that is nothing at all like playing on a fresh server.

[Devorador]

Why do you need a new server? Roll a new level 1 and dont twink it.
Done.

I want a classic experience where u find groups at orc camps, where u need a full group to kill a cocodrile, where if u get a rubicite piece u become a twinked

[cd288]

Ah yes, when blue players resort to red player tactics of counting 100-+ people as significant to the server...

Yeah that place is dead, and honestly, rightfully so.

14+ years of bad history in a beta state. If anything, that server should be deprecated.

Do you have a mental disability? And I don't ask that to be insulting. Actually asking so that we can make sure to treat you fairly

[Ennewi]

Ah yes, when blue players resort to red player tactics of counting 100-+ people as significant to the server...

Yeah that place is dead, and honestly, rightfully so.

14+ years of bad history in a beta state. If anything, that server should be deprecated.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285199&page=2

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Think blue was around 400 people when I first started here. 1k+ on a private server still blows my mind.

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01-03-2014, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Babayaaga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Roughly a couple dozen high-value targets, spawning approximately a couple times a week. I'm no mathematician, but this translates into about 1250 spawns per year, not factoring in drop-rate rarity.

P99 blue has over 1000 players online at peak periods and between 400-500 players during lower population periods. Given the server's age and the result is a recipe for disaster: A mature server with high demand and low contested spawn rate, and no new content for over two years.

And then there are the many RNF threads that existed before green, claiming the server was dead, citing low pop as evidence. And still somehow the nerd museum remains open.

[Deathrydar]

Not sure what the huge draw is for a new server. I get that it's exciting and everyone is the same level which opens the door for grouping and fun...

But those are the positive side of things.

I remember the green launch: Everyone was cramped together on three continents and we were all camping one single Decaying Skeleton spawn in NRO.

It sucked.

There wasn't a MOB to be found in EC or NEK. I had to log off for a few days and wait for the insanity to move on to the higher level zones.

Don't get me wrong, for what it was worth, it was F-U-N. What I am trying to say is, be careful if your wishes are based solely on emotion and nostalgia because it usually turns out to be more disappointing than anything else.

Or I could be wrong- Everyone is different. I just remember having more fun when Green launched AFTER the huge crowds had moved on to the higher level zones. :p

[Devorador]

Not sure what the huge draw is for a new server. I get that it's exciting and everyone is the same level which opens the door for grouping and fun...

But those are the positive side of things.

I remember the green launch: Everyone was cramped together on three continents and we were all camping one single Decaying Skeleton spawn in NRO.

It sucked.

There wasn't a MOB to be found in EC or NEK. I had to log off for a few days and wait for the insanity to move on to the higher level zones.

Don't get me wrong, for what it was worth, it was F-U-N. What I am trying to say is, be careful if your wishes are based solely on emotion and nostalgia because it usually turns out to be more disappointing than anything else.

Or I could be wrong- Everyone is different. I just remember having more fun when Green launched AFTER the huge crowds had moved on to the higher level zones. :p


Yeah I was there when Green launched and yes was hard to find any Up un common zones but even with that Im tired of only raid and cant wait to revive the EQ classic experience 🤤

[Seducio]

It's really simple. Green has been quite popular and continues to be quite successful. Even compared with Blue.

Devs didn't initially anticipate the need for Teal until after Green's launch. But due to Green's popularity they adjusted on the fly and innovated a solution that will matter down the line. They know a hell of a lot more about a popular server launch than they did before. They learned from their mistakes. (Ie. Telling the community ahead of time about their plans. They won't do that again.)

Green 2.0 will happen. Expecting it this year is only something only someone bad at math would do. The server is coming when it makes sense for the devs. Not us.

Server launches are probably the most time intensive part of being a dev here. One of the worst parts about being a dev here is dealing with threads such as this. If we were paying customers that would be one thing. We aren't. The entitlement of players demanding more from devs on a free server is a visible cue to the devs to stay away.

This is why devs went and remain radio silent. If they communicate something the community doesn't like that would make their lives harder. Why would they do that?

[cd288]

Yeah that's fair. We can all be pretty demanding and complainy at times so it doesn't exactly incentivize them to communicate with us in advance. If they're going to merge the servers and launch a new one in, say, 12 months from now (or vice versa) why would they tell us now? It will just lead to a rash of complaints from a segment of the player base that they will have to listen to endlessly.

[Deathrydar]

It's really simple. The server is coming when it makes sense for the devs. Not us.

This should be the auto reply for every thread created about this subject!

[Jimjam]

Newbie zones being empty of mobs on fresh servers is NOT CLASSIC.

I’d love us to get CLASSIC newbie zone spawn mechanics implemented before fresh server drops.

Qeynos had each mob respawn instantly to random locations. Other zones had triads of mobs where they wouldn’t respawn until once all three were killed.

We need these mechanics to make fresh server classic. Being bottlenecked out of mobs at level 1 was NOT CLASSIC.

[Devorador]

It's really simple. Green has been quite popular and continues to be quite successful. Even compared with Blue.

Devs didn't initially anticipate the need for Teal until after Green's launch. But due to Green's popularity they adjusted on the fly and innovated a solution that will matter down the line. They know a hell of a lot more about a popular server launch than they did before. They learned from their mistakes. (Ie. Telling the community ahead of time about their plans. They won't do that again.)

Green 2.0 will happen. Expecting it this year is only something only someone bad at math would do. The server is coming when it makes sense for the devs. Not us.

Server launches are probably the most time intensive part of being a dev here. One of the worst parts about being a dev here is dealing with threads such as this. If we were paying customers that would be one thing. We aren't. The entitlement of players demanding more from devs on a free server is a visible cue to the devs to stay away.

This is why devs went and remain radio silent. If they communicate something the community doesn't like that would make their lives harder. Why would they do that?

I agree with u, make sense but Im not demanding or complaining, just wanted to know if anyone had more info than me. Ty for cooperate

[Seducio]

I agree with u, make sense but Im not demanding or complaining, just wanted to know if anyone had more info than me. Ty for cooperate

For sure OP. There was no intention on my part to be harsh to you directly. The devs have a five digit player base and that's a lot of people to to try and please. As far as I can tell they'd prefer not to even try. This is a labor of love for them. Managing the expectations of that many people (five digits, possibly six if accounted over time) is not worth the effort.

To answer your original question, starting next year I would check in once every couple months if you aren't currently playing. I won't make a guess as to when then next server will be other than to reiterate my confidence that it won't be this year.

[cd288]

For sure OP. There was no intention on my part to be harsh to you directly. The devs have a five digit player base and that's a lot of people to to try and please. As far as I can tell they'd prefer not to even try. This is a labor of love for them. Managing the expectations of that many people (five digits, possibly six if accounted over time) is not worth the effort.

To answer your original question, starting next year I would check in once every couple months if you aren't currently playing. I won't make a guess as to when then next server will be other than to reiterate my confidence that it won't be this year.

You mean 4 digits?

[Seducio]

Five. The world is a vast place. When you sleep. Folks are playing. The server runs 24 hours a day. Humans can't keep up.

[Seducio]

To be clear I am referring to total players currently playing with regard to five digits. As in more than 10000 players currently login to p99 every month.

Concurrent players would be what you said, four digits. That is number of player logged in at one given time.

[magnetaress]

Red 2.0 is due out on November

[Lune]

Seducio, we get it, we have no right to demand anything and are here at the whim of the dev's kindly volunteered time and resources. That being acknowledged, anticipating Green 2.0 may release this year isn't something only someone bad at math would do, it's something someone who has listened to the devs could do.

From the original Green announcement:

Green Lifetime
The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023).

6 months from Jan 2023 is right about now, so it's entirely conceivable for it to happen in the next 6 months. That is not to say we have any right to read that and then demand or even expect a prompt release, it'll happen when it happens, and we're lucky we were even given a tentative timeline all those years ago. My guess is they may still be working on upgrading and replacing all the aging hardware in a sensible and economical way. One way or the other, it's nothing but speculation. As much as I'd like to see blue reinvigorated, I don't see any reason to rush any merger or anything, as Green still has a very healthy population.

I would love to eventually see this happen, however:

Blue Server
The blue server will always be open and remain at its current point in the timeline, with possibly some custom content being added to keep things interesting in a 'classically inspired' style.

[cd288]

I would be really surprised if over 10k individual people are logging into P99 each month. Even looking at the Discord numbers doesn't seem to indicate that

[Seducio]

Understood. I get this perspective. If all we have to go on is the devs posting from the past right at server release then I'd be right there with you.

The thing that changed what the devs were planning though was the need for Teal. It may have nearly doubled the work load for server release than they had originally anticipated. On the bright side it gave them real world practice in merging servers. They are ready technically for Green to merge into Blue if they still plan to do that.

With the added popularity, the temporary deployment server of Teal, and eventual remerge of Green and Teal the most dramatic outcome of this added unanticipated stress load was dev radio silence. As in they haven't updated us since then.

If you think that their original messaging is still their plan, then I could see why you might think there would be another server deployed by p99 devs this year. I think Green's continued popularity has pushed back their original plans.

Only time will tell.

[Lune]

Highly likely they will also try very hard not to step on TLP's toes, Oakwynd just saw a Kunark release, which raises the index of suspicion for a winter Green 2.0 release in my mind, considering TLP's typically release in summer/late spring.

[Lune]

Did all the teal subforums and Green guild discussion just get nuked? What's going on? :)

[loramin]

Did all the teal subforums and Green guild discussion just get nuked? What's going on? :)

A Green guilds forum has never existed.

My personal theory is that the staff decided it wasn't worth the trouble, since https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Guilds already lets people know what guilds exist (without all the guild thread flame wars, guilds constantly posting in their own threads to push them to the top, etc.) ... but they've never given an official reason why.

[Seducio]

I would be really surprised if over 10k individual people are logging into P99 each month. Even looking at the Discord numbers doesn't seem to indicate that

Not sure if Discord is a good proxy for server population. Many casuals in game have never heard of discord.

It's been a minute since I was doing stats in any kind of meaningful way. But I bet you server population is a Pareto 80/20 situation. The players with many hours played most likely only account for about 20% of total server population. The other 80% of server population may be more casual with not many hours in game, but regularly popping in a few hours a week.

Both player types would both count as one player while only that first one shows up in Discord stats. As in casuals are the hidden players that keep materializing out of nowhere.

They just don't play the game like the hardcore 20% does.

[cd288]

Understood. I get this perspective. If all we have to go on is the devs posting from the past right at server release then I'd be right there with you.

The thing that changed what the devs were planning though was the need for Teal. It may have nearly doubled the work load for server release than they had originally anticipated. On the bright side it gave them real world practice in merging servers. They are ready technically for Green to merge into Blue if they still plan to do that.

With the added popularity, the temporary deployment server of Teal, and eventual remerge of Green and Teal the most dramatic outcome of this added unanticipated stress load was dev radio silence. As in they haven't updated us since then.

If you think that their original messaging is still their plan, then I could see why you might think there would be another server deployed by p99 devs this year. I think Green's continued popularity has pushed back their original plans.

Only time will tell.

Not really sure how that's a response to what I said, but ok I'll respond to it anyway.

I don't think a server's popularity changes or delays their plans. They have always said, since inception of this project, that they want to have rolling server releases.

The fact of the matter here is that there are lots of changes identified during Green that need to be made among the general work load to get the merge done, get the new server started up, etc. Realistically, it's probably just that the devs are unpaid volunteers and currently don't feel like getting around to it. That's usually been the explanation for a lot of things, such as the final patch or two on Blue that took a long time to show up, the launch of Green in general, and other fixes being implemented (or delays in the patch timeline on Green). Not that I blame them in the slightest...it's their lives and free time they should do whatever they want with it, including ignore P99 forever if they so choose.

But thinking there's some other reason going on here is pretty crazy lol

[Seducio]

It was a response to Lune. Check my next post with your last one quoted for my response about server population.

In response to this post you just made. The devs aren't saying much any more so you may be relying on dated information.

GL to ya

[cd288]

Not sure if Discord is a good proxy for server population. Many casuals in game have never heard of discord.

It's been a minute since I was doing stats in any kind of meaningful way. But I bet you server population is a Pareto 80/20 situation. The players with many hours played most likely only account for about 20% of total server population. The other 80% of server population may be more casual with not many hours in game, but regularly popping in a few hours a week.

Both player types would both count as one player while only that first one shows up in Discord stats. As in casuals are the hidden players that keep materializing out of nowhere.

They just don't play the game like the hardcore 20% does.

This is kind of not the right way to look at it. Someone logging in a couple times a month doesn't really equate to a "healthy" player base of 5 figures. Really what you should be doing is looking at how many people log in at least a couple times a week for a minimum of X hours each time. That's a much better indicator of the population because you should be defining it based on people who are actually somewhat active.

So if you said how many people log in at least 3 times a week for a minimum of 2 hours each time, for instance, I bet you're not hitting 10,000 people.

[Seducio]

I bet you're not hitting 10,000 people.

Agree to disagree.

[Seducio]

A Green guilds forum has never existed.

Until now

[cd288]

Agree to disagree.

Very intellectual response. Solid job.

[Seducio]

Agree to disagree.

Look up what that means cd. As in you aren't at the level.

If you want intellectualism look up Pareto distribution or 80/20 principle like I discussed earlier.

Ciao. 3rd time ending discussion.

[Lune]

A Green guilds forum has never existed.

My personal theory is that the staff decided it wasn't worth the trouble, since https://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Guilds already lets people know what guilds exist (without all the guild thread flame wars, guilds constantly posting in their own threads to push them to the top, etc.) ... but they've never given an official reason why.

Ah you're right. But the teal subforums were deleted sometime in the last few days.

[cd288]

Ah you're right. But the teal subforums were deleted sometime in the last few days.

When were there teal subforums

[Lune]

When were there teal subforums

It said Green/Teal discussion (now just says Green), and the Teal auction subforum was still around just a few days ago when I started playing again. They were removed the same time Green guild discussion was added.

[Elijah850]

Ooh They are cleaning up the Forum Directories in preparation for............. DUN DUN DUN. LOADING. PLEASE WAIT.

[cd288]

It said Green/Teal discussion (now just says Green), and the Teal auction subforum was still around just a few days ago when I started playing again. They were removed the same time Green guild discussion was added.

Yeah the problem was the guy who used to have the ability to modify forums left the project so they couldn't make any changes. Guess they either got him to come back and fix it for them or they found some other way.

[DeadScreen]

I'm returning after a long layoff. Is there a new server coming?

[Trexller]

I'm returning after a long layoff. Is there a new server coming?

Project Quarm - 1 Box Planes of Power (https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422162&page=11)

[Tormmac]

play quarm who cares about another perma velious server, was a shit expansion after all

[eqravenprince]

Luclin and Pop sucked. I won't be playing on Quarm. Hell give me a classic only server and I'd be happy forever.

[Toxigen]

As someone who only has P99 for EQ experience, im definitely going Quarm.

[Deathrydar]

Luclin and Pop sucked. I won't be playing on Quarm. Hell give me a classic only server and I'd be happy forever.

This ^^

[Trelaboon]

Unfortunately, no, no one knows. It’s been something we all expect to happen eventually, but there’s never been any manner of communication as far as when it might happen. Personally, I hope no earlier than December, as I’m gonna be super busy finishing up college until then lol.

[Deathrydar]

March 16, 2024 will be the 25th anniversary since the game initially launched. Just saying.

[gradyk]

If people want a new server its probably best to donate to this free project we all enjoy.

[Woodark]

I'd be willing to bet they've received at least $10,000 in donations. How much more money do they need?

[Fammaden]

There's no reason to think donations have anything to do with a new green decision.

[Trexller]

EQEMU Devs don't step on each others toes or are allowed to release major new content if daybreak is doing something. daybreak isn't doing anything but another EQEMU dev intends to release a 1-box TAKP server.

so that means P99 will not do anything for a good long time, as they won't want to release new content at the same time a highly anticipated server (project quarm) is coming out, and are also forbidden from doing so if Daybreak has new content coming.

March 2024 seems like it's too early for another P99 release, considering other things going on and considering daybreak's plans for 2023/24

there is a new expansion for live servers in December 2023

So, Project Quarm has to release almost immediately in order to adhere to whatever "non-compete" agreement EQEMU operates under, or they have to release well after december 2023

all of this means there is nothing coming from P99 anytime soon.

[Zalora]

Green 2.0 isn't happening. People have been doing this kind of speculation for years and nothing has ever come of it. There are no plans and no reason or evidence to believe otherwise. The devs either can't do it or simply don't want to do it and they're not going to talk about it out of spite because they hate you for continuing to ask.

I'm sorry.

[branamil]

There are no plans and no reason or evidence to believe otherwise. The devs either can't do it or simply don't want to do it.

[Jimjam]

Green 2.0 isn't happening. People have been doing this kind of speculation for years and nothing has ever come of it. There are no plans and no reason or evidence to believe otherwise. The devs either can't do it or simply don't want to do it and they're not going to talk about it out of spite because they hate you for continuing to ask.

I'm sorry.

We speculated for years on Green 1, there were many nay sayers, but eventually it landed.

[Devorador]

Green 2.0 isn't happening. People have been doing this kind of speculation for years and nothing has ever come of it. There are no plans and no reason or evidence to believe otherwise. The devs either can't do it or simply don't want to do it and they're not going to talk about it out of spite because they hate you for continuing to ask.

I'm sorry.

Hate someone to ask? I dont care if they hate me for that stupid reason. Anyway Quarm coming soon

[Lune]

Green 2.0 isn't happening. People have been doing this kind of speculation for years and nothing has ever come of it. There are no plans and no reason or evidence to believe otherwise. The devs either can't do it or simply don't want to do it and they're not going to talk about it out of spite because they hate you for continuing to ask.

I'm sorry.

Nice trole but also in earnest, not strictly hard evidence of timeline, but certainly evidence of plan/intent. And this begging for green pales in comparison to the begging for velious, and at least then they also hated us for not participating in the beta

Green Lifetime
The green server will, at a time yet to be decided, eventually merge into blue and start over again. This merge will not happen until at least 6 months after the last patch in velious (No earlier than January 2023).

[Coridan]

We had no idea Green 1.0 was really going to be a thing up to a month before it was announced. The devs here are the types who will just go "hey guys, new Green tomorrow".

[long.liam]

Would like to know to not check It everyday 🤦

Nope. This is all you get.

[loramin]

Green 2.0 isn't happening. People have been doing this kind of speculation for years and nothing has ever come of it. There are no plans and no reason or evidence to believe otherwise. The devs either can't do it or simply don't want to do it and they're not going to talk about it out of spite because they hate you for continuing to ask.

I'm sorry.

Bullshit. And you've been around long enough to know better: you should remember when people said the same thing about Green 1.0.

[iplayeq]

They updated the Green Server wiki page to say "Green Will "Recycle" ... Possibly" from the original "Green Will "Recycle". You can view what was originally on the wiki by using the wayback machine.

[Fammaden]

Who is they?

[iplayeq]

Who is they?

I am guessing the devs since it's the offical wiki.

[JustAMonk86]

Yes there will be new green server plus merge Oct 19th

Source?

[iplayeq]

Source?

You can use https://archive.org/ to look at websites from years ago. You can load a snapshot of the Green wiki from when it was made and compare what has changed.

Not sure where the source of the merge is from though.