Want to Start a Rogue and Just want to Make Sure I Understand a Couple Things

[Ripqozko]

Things warm body Rogues tell themselves as the Chad main tanks and Monk pull team walk by with big swinging dicks.

Rogue: H-h-hey Chad Warrior, guess what? I pumped STA at creation
Chad Warrior: That's great kid *flicks toothpick at Rogue* Try not to catch aggro today, right?
Rogue: Sure, right!
Chad Monk: Hey Rogue, I heard you wanted to pull.
Rogue: Y-y-yeah Chad Monk, that's my dream.
Chad Monk: All right, I got something you can pull.
Rogue: Really? What is it?
Chad Monk: Your fucking shine box out of the closet!
Rogue: :(

Low key rogue is 2nd best VP puller, not that many do. Doesn’t mean they aren’t tho .

[fortior]

Bards are underrated but bards are basically just loud rogues

[Snaggles]

I can't tell if you guys are just trolling him or actually think +25 STR is a good idea in Velious, which it's not. Stop it. Please. Don't screw people's characters up.

And tanks and pullers and bumpers. If your conception of a rogue is limited to half afk DPS, that might be more a reflection of your own ability at this game.

So glad you got to enjoy your soapbox. I hope you get your deposit back.

I'm not the one beating my chest that 25 starting points will screw up a character. I vote the OP does whatever they want...and enjoys the game.

[Cecily]

I think I demonstrated how STR overcaps really quickly with pretty cheap EC gear and how it's the wrong choice in Velious. Please stop encouraging people to ruin their character. Thank you.

[Snaggles]

If your conception of a rogue is limited to 25 starting points, that might be more a reflection of your own ability at this game.

[Cecily]

Look, I've played this class a lot. You're a ranger (a class where stat allocation truly does not matter). Just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Snaggles]

Assuming I haven't put an obscene amount of time into playing a rogue in the last 24 years? Game.Set.Match.

[Duik]

I think I demonstrated how STR overcaps really quickly with pretty cheap EC gear and how it's the wrong choice in Velious. Please stop encouraging people to ruin their character. Thank you.

Double confirmed, Cecily is DSM alt, or at worst fanboi.

[fortior]

I wouldn't care about starting stats on any class other than warrior, and I would never play a warrior in p99

[Garnaak]

I didn't remember how I started my rogue.

Looks like I chose starting points to stamina.

Now back to page 3 and continue reading this thread.

edit - oh, and if still looking for weapons, I have Small Dragon Shard and Seb Croaking Dirk no longer in use. Think they are on my tunnel mule now? Not sure, prolly.

[putrid_plum]

Put all str that I could into my dark elf rogue, no regrets. Nothing you do at start will in any way hurt or hinder your character at 60. Play the game, enjoy.

[Raj]

Put all str that I could into my dark elf rogue, no regrets. Nothing you do at start will in any way hurt or hinder your character at 60. Play the game, enjoy.

:cool::cool:

[jolanar]

+1 for going into strength. Vast majority of people who play here don't make it to 60 much less raid.

[Evia]

I was curious what I spent my points on with my rogue...i couldnt remember.

I went +20 STR / +5 STA -- at 60, sure I wish I had more STA vs STR, since my STR is easily capped and STA is a bit more difficult. However, the extra STR helped a shit load when I leveled the character up. I frequently had pretty poor STR leveling up, I can't imagine how shit it would have been rockin' base 65 STR on the guy.

so i think there are pros and cons to each choice. overall though I am happy with my choice and if I had to do it all over again i'd probably do it the same way.

[Cecily]

Do you think you'll spend more time being under 60 or more time being 60?

[Evia]

Do you think you'll spend more time being under 60 or more time being 60?

I'll spend more time caring before 60.

[Toxigen]

I'll spend more time caring before 60.

ding ding we got a winner

[Lowako]

im personally a big fan of going strength to make leveling better. i also typically assume anyone asking on p99 boards isn't making their character for the express purpose of being a raid character

at level 60 the only 2 important stats on rogue are fashionquest and IRL charisma. if you have buffs at level 60 you're most likely in a situation where the difference of 20 starting stats is basically irrelevant.

if you're in a situation where you aren't getting buffed then you can use your IRL charisma to make friends and convince people to give you the login info for a better class.

[sajbert]

I bet nobody would notice 20str when grouping, which is all Rogues do. A marginal damage increase which gets watered out with the overall DPS of the group.

Going str is just a strange minmax choice for leveling which will later result in wasted stats.

The only noticable effect is being able to carry more finesteel weapons.

[Duik]

The only noticable effect is being able to carry more finesteel weapons.
Which allows a solo self found rogue to carry more weight to cash in for items. Plus do more damage when you know, solo.
One size (stat allocation) does not fit all.
--- Edit --- umm this not ssf rog thread. Poster above is correct.
Back in a box Duik.

[Ghost of Starman]

Rogs are odd because it's the class that literally needs stats the least of any class, they're the most group focused class and traditionally wouldn't be taking hits, so literally STR is the only important stat for doing their primary job.

Since STR is crazy easy to max, I do think STA is usually a better marginal choice for the extra survivability, if you could put points in resists that would be the more applicable stat.

At the end doesn't matter unless you are OCD/aspie and being suboptimal in your allocation will bug you for the rest of the characters life, which is definitely the case with a lot of P99ers.

[Jimjam]

Primary job of rogue is to take as much loot as possible, and accumulate wealth from ill gotten gains. DPS is a vector to achieve this, but not the primary job.

Under every possible scenario they need to be max str to haul their load, and sufficient charisma to get the best prices from the fence. A good rogue will be outsourcing any unmet needs to achieve maximisation of loot to un/badly paid mooks, ie any rogue stat deficit doesn't matter in groups unless it prevents them hauling loot.

[zelld52]

Primary job of rogue is to take as much loot as possible, and accumulate wealth from ill gotten gains. DPS is a vector to achieve this, but not the primary job.

Under every possible scenario they need to be max str to haul their load, and sufficient charisma to get the best prices from the fence. A good rogue will be outsourcing any unmet needs to achieve maximisation of loot to un/badly paid mooks, ie any rogue stat deficit doesn't matter in groups unless it prevents them hauling loot.

[sajbert]

Which allows a solo self found rogue to carry more weight to cash in for items. Plus do more damage when you know, solo.
One size (stat allocation) does not fit all.
--- Edit --- umm this not ssf rog thread. Poster above is correct.
Back in a box Duik.

Str makes sense for SSF rogues since leveling is the point of SSF and str helps with that and your points in str aren't diluted by other str gear and overall DPS of the group.

SSF rogue is just an act of self-flagellation however, may as well eat sand.

[Snaggles]

While leveling up if not picking STR you may be under the cap with Shaman STR. At 60, if you have decent gear (not BiS) and are stacking SV's; whether FR/CR in HoT or SV magic for fights with fear mobs, you might be under cap still with Focus.

Worst case you end up with more strength than you need so when you run hp gear like HGL's and chokidai pauldrons/imbued granites you arent at risk of dropping below the cap.

There will be situations where you wont have access to a shaman strength buff either. The 2nd best strength buff available to a rogue, Girdle of Karana, is 25 points lower than Focus.

IMHO, all that matters is dps and surviving. If you can cap strength in almost any situation buffed with SV gear more power to ya.

Let's say you raid a lot, get some really amazing gear, and fully buffed up have around 5000 hps with a rogue. That's solid. Now imagine picking Stamina at creation and now having 5080 hps. This is the best-case scenario...80hps.

Really though, do whatever ya want. It wont break your toon either way but no, not all stats cap in Velious. You can wear a TBB, gauntlets of potence, and fire emerald rings but, ugh.

[Tnair]

new jimjam rogue meta: 5 str 25 charisma

[jolanar]

There are charisma pricing bonus cutoffs at 62, 76 and 104 that give big boosts to selling prices. Maybe also 91 but haven't confirmed that one.

So if your races starts with 75 Charisma for example then putting 1 point at starting can be a nice boost... if you can stomach having 'uneven' stats lol. For Rogues that is Human, Wood Elf and Half Elf. Gnome and Dark Elf should be able to put 2 in Charisma for a similar boost.

Food for thought.

[greatdane]

3) Lastly, I want to be a gnome. It may not be min max or even good, but I want to be a gnome. That being said, all points into STR or STA? Or split?

It really doesn't matter. Strength is so easy to max out with shaman buffs that you could put no points into it and all-vanilla nearly-free gear will get you to 255; and outside of raids, it doesn't matter in the slightest if you have max strength. Half the time, there'll be a shaman in the group anyway, and even if there isn't, nobody will notice a difference. The mob will die a quarter of a second faster if you have max strength. It never affects your XP/hour, your group's chance of avoiding a wipe, or any other such thing that's worth caring about. Put it this way, your XP/hour depends more on your puller's FPS than on your strength stat. It's utterly immaterial.

Stamina is similarly irrelevant in 99.9% of cases. At level 60, you get 4 HP per stamina and can assign a maximum of 25 points to it. It is, at most, a 100 HP difference when you have 3k+ buffed. Once or twice in your life, you might find yourself in a situation where 100 HP mattered. It really doesn't happen very often. I would personally put all my points in stamina just because it's harder to max out than strength, but if you take two rogues with the same gear where one had no points in stamina and the other put all his points in it, nobody would ever notice any difference in how often they die. In nearly all cases, that 100 HP didn't save you. You died anyway and it made no difference.

Gnome is great because you get to see through walls, you get to be small on raids without having to be moved into shaman groups for shrink, and you just have a nicer time circling around mobs in groups without your character model colliding as much with others. Anytime your wimpy legs give you trouble with stairs, just click your dark elf mask (trivial to obtain) and that solves that problem. Gnome is the best race for rogue, and it doesn't matter at all where you put your stats.

But I'd put them all in stamina. It's just more min-maxy.

[Toxigen]

imagine asking for STR and FOS

[Jimjam]

imagine asking for STR and FOS

ngl pretty embarrassing state of affairs. Generally the best way to deal with it is to ask for a PE too. This shifts the embarrassment on to the shaman for not having their VP hammer yet.

[Toxigen]

I know every time I got asked for STR + FoS I only buffed FoS.

[Cecily]

Str + FoS only for new players on a rogue main, and it's a super temporary phase until you get Velious armor. You can fix that. You can't fix a bad shaman unwilling to mem a buff.

[Toxigen]

Str + FoS only for new players on a rogue main, and it's a super temporary phase until you get Velious armor. You can fix that. You can't fix a bad shaman unwilling to mem a buff.

Don't worry sweetie there were plenty of wall-lickers to buff STR on shit rogues.

[zelld52]

I know every time I got asked for STR + FoS I only buffed FoS.

Same. Especially after a wipe