Steel Hilted Flint Dagger: incorrect drop rate

[AdrenolineLove]

According to Allakhazam this is supposed to be a common drop item. According to mqemulator its supposed to drop 100% of the time. I have now killed it upwards of 10 times and only seen a fire opal. Hes also supposed to be 100% chance to drop words. According to the wiki its a ultra-rare drop. Is there any sort of documentation that its supposed to be a super-rare drop cuz everything I'm seeing is pointing the other direction.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=618

https://mqemulator.net/npc.php?id=105116&view=droptables

https://imgur.com/Jxs3xl5

https://imgur.com/kfTbCY3

[Ennewi]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010714021838/http://www.xegonyalliance.com/droplists/drops_hs2.html

02:18:38 Jul 14, 2001

https://i.imgur.com/IbqGDt4.jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20010211072539/http://www.din.or.jp/~cai/eq/tips/dr_charasis.html

07:25:39 Feb 11, 2001

https://i.imgur.com/JwrQa1g.jpg

[AdrenolineLove]

What websites are these? Cuz they dont seem official.


Adamantite club [recently removed from game I think, but not sure]

The person who made this table is clearly guessing on drop rates.

[Ennewi]

What websites are these? Cuz they dont seem official.



The person who made this table is clearly guessing on drop rates.

Human error definitely can be a factor. Case in point—somehow this thread was posted in the wrong section, as both the item and NPC aren't quest-related or from the Velious expansion.
Agreed though, it isn't irrefutable evidence. However, it's a good starting point as the second link does support the first and is more specific about droprates, whereas other websites don't even list SHFD as a drop, likely due to its rarity.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020208212910/http://gameznet.com/eq/notsocommon/charisis/cryptfeaster.html

https://i.imgur.com/hMJbDXx.jpg

Though unofficial, these websites aren't completely worthless as they provide corroborated information from player discourse/personal experience. If the item always dropped, how could it be omitted from another website's comprehensive bestiary loot table, with the other item still being listed?

Waybacking one of the sites provided in the original post, Allakhazam (https://web.archive.org/web/20011224224100/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/db/item.html?item=618), the earliest entry lists only that "this item can be found on creatures" which left visitors at a loss as late as 2002 when beastlords were in game and included in the item's description.

what mob drops this?
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#May 06 2002 at 1:41 PMRating: Decent
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it says random mobs, but i've heard this drops in the same location as the sash of the dragonborn camp. just wondering if anyone knows what mob drops it

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#May 18 2002 at 6:50 PMRating: Decent
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"I've heard this drops in the same location as the sash of the dragonborn camp. just wondering if anyone knows what mob drops it."

It dropped this morning off the Crypt Feaster in the South Wing. We had no rangers or beastlords in the group, so we randomed it off. I got fifth pick and ended up with this weapon.

Phaith, 54 Cleric
Tribunal

LORE ITEM PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: 1H Piercing Atk Delay: 28
DMG: 4 Dmg Bonus: 31
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
Effect: Conflagration (Combat, Casting Time: Instant) at Level 50
WT: 1.7 Size: MEDIUM
Class: RNG BST
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)


The emulator site goes on to list Gloves of True Darkness (https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=25113) as being on the same loot table, an item apparently from the LDoN expansion, plus other items that were also introduced long after the classic timeline.

Natural Spinneret Fluid 0.415 2
Exquisite Gem Dusted Rune 1.245 2
Gold Gem Dusted Rune 0.415 2
Complex Gold Gem Dusted Rune 0.415 2
Velium Gem Dusted Rune 0.83 2
Complex Velium Gem Dusted Rune 1.66 2
Exquisite Velium Gem Dusted Rune 0.83 2
Velium Gemmed Rune 0.83 2
Enchanted Werebone

Even so, it is possible that the SHFD always dropped but more evidence is likely needed.

[AdrenolineLove]

Okay well every single other named in Howling Stones drops an item, this is the only one thats ONLY dropping a gem. Thats a bug.

[Croco]

Okay well every single other named in Howling Stones drops an item, this is the only one thats ONLY dropping a gem. Thats a bug.

Seems classic to me.

https://i.imgur.com/PUsQqTZ.png

[AdrenolineLove]

Okay so that post is from Nov 2001, we are in December 2001 and I cant find anything in the changelog from any point about the drop rate changing from ultra rare to common, there has to be something in the changelog if it in fact changed to common then. Where is that documentation?

[Croco]

Verant/SoE often made all sorts of changes to stuff like drop rates without specifically documenting them in patch notes. That's what makes researching to find in era proof of various changes so challenging. GL in your search.