Why are the TD raptors uncharmable?

[long.liam]

What's the story behind why the TD raptors were made uncharmable? Too many petitions put in for hogging the mobs? Strange why they made it uncharmable. As far as I know they were charmable in EQ classic era and are still charmable on live.

[long.liam]

What's the story behind why the TD raptors were made uncharmable? Too many petitions put in for hogging the mobs? Strange why they made it uncharmable. As far as I know they were charmable in EQ classic era and are still charmable on live.

By charmable, I mean druid animal charm won't land. Infact I don't think any animal spells will land on them.

[long.liam]

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February 13, 2002 3:00 am
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** General **

- Improved sound for many users. Should eliminate a lot of the
"choppy" sound issues
- Fixed one of the link-death-while-zoning bugs
- Characters who disconnect while zoning shouldn't be 'stuck' for an
inordinate amount of time
- Renamed all will-o-wisps and will o' wisps to Fred.
- Reconsidered and changed Fred to willowisp.
- Pets no longer pace. Pets will now, when close to you, STOP.
- Many higher level NPCs now have a random delay before they initially
spawn. This means that they will appear at a more random time interval
after servers or zones are brought up. This is designed to provide a
fairer distribution of these NPCs across all time zones
- If you right click to auto-inventory an item that you are looting and
it will not fit into your inventory, the item will simply appear on
your cursor as if you had left clicked on it

** Gameplay Related **

- NPC and PC corpses can now be /considered to find out how long until
they decay, and PC corpses additionally tell you how long you have to
resurrect them
- The timer for corpses is now seven days for any corpse over level
five, whether the player is on-line or off-line or any combination of
the two
- Characters below level eight will no longer see light blue cons
- Spires will no longer try to teleport you to Luclin if you do not own
the expansion, and therefore will no longer move you to the 'safe
point' in the zone when it can't take you to the Nexus
- Pets can now be targeted by typing their full name after the /target
command (or at least enough of it to distinguish it from the owner)
- Knockback now works correctly when on a horse
- Summoning a horse in Plane of Sky will no longer allow you to
levitate
- Gating when in the same zone that you are bound no longer causes
problems
- Horses will no longer disappear when a character is moved to the
'safe point'


** Trade Skill Related **

- Added several trade skill items to Grobb; including a brewing supply
vendor, a brew barrel, a baking vendor, a standard forge, a pottery
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Dwarven Plate compared to the armor class of other Dwarven-smithed
plate armor
- Batwing Pie, Bug Bites and Deadly Medley now exist
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Substance
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- Added hilt mold vendors to more cities


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- Made adjustments to the Whistling Fists quest
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- Eye of Zomm and Eye of Tallon are now non-KoS in a fashion similar to
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Pure Thought on them, it will fail and the Koadic's will remain.
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that charmed them casts invisibility
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- Blast of Frost scroll has been made available for Beastlords
- Self-only level 51+ spells will no longer fail to cast if the caster
has a lower level character targeted.
- Egress should once again force a 'zone' to clear aggro
- The damage component of Elnerick's Entombment of Ice no longer causes
the spell to have a chance at breaking its root component
- Snakes in Lavastorm and Paineel are now animals
- Hammerheads are now animals
- Treants in the Plane of Growth are now plants
- Timorous Deep gators, fish, and raptors are now animals
- Rock Hoppers in Hollowshade Moor, Shar Vahl and Shadeweavers are now
animals
- Paludal and Fungusgrove Wetfang Minnows are now animals
- Underbulks and Shik`Nar in Fungusgrove are now insects
- Rhino Beetles in Shadeweavers Thicket and Hollowshade Moor are now
insects
- Shrooms in Fungusgrove are now plants
- Lightcrawlers in Mons Seru are now insects
"
Just a little bit of research. I know it's classic, but damn that sucks. No charming in TD for Druids until 2002, beyond the timeline.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Most respectful RnF post ever.

It's a new world, folks.

[Jimjam]

By charmable, I mean druid animal charm won't land. Infact I don't think any animal spells will land on them.

I'm interested to know what the mobs' type was before it got set to animal... were they dragons?! should Pogos work on them in era?!

[Ooloo]

I dunno but since this is r&f FUCK people who don't know how to pull the big island, or who slack and don't keep their four raptors down so the roamers pop and start roaming and fuck up the person quadding the other side.

There are 8 spawns on the big beach, two of which roam and both roamers spawn on the east side of the beach so they're easy to keep separated if you dont suck!

[Ooloo]

Also if Dinus spawns fuckin kill him don't just go look for a different raptor to pull you douche

[Duik]

Waa, i wanna tell people how to pway and be wight everwy time.
Waa. Dinus. Learn spawns, dont make me cwy. Waa.
Also, I suck. Ooloo prolly.

[Ooloo]

Lol you say that now wait until you try quadding raptors with one of those dickheads around, you'll see!

[Duik]

Also, my avatar seems to have dick suck mouth.
Also Ooloo prolly.

[Smoofers]

Typical BDA

[Ooloo]

Also, my avatar seems to have dick suck mouth.
Also Ooloo prolly.

My av is george costanza looking appalled

Like how he would look at your assertion that it is "dick suck mouth". Frankly I find that very crass

[zanderklocke]

I hit 60 on raptors.

https://i.imgur.com/xtHpSio.jpg

[Duik]

Ha, one more thing. Stormy Daniels called, she wants her dick suck mouth back.
Lolocaust, crass. That was the fucking point dipshit.

[Ooloo]

Duik confirmed sucks at killing td raptors

[Duik]

Duik confirmed, never complains about not being able to kill raptors, or anyfing for that matter... womp!

[Evia]

Yeah but the real travesty here is that I cannot unsee the George castanza 'dick suck mouth' avatar now.

[whitebandit]

Yall chatting about Raptors, im more curious about all the chatter about "Horses"???

[Tethler]

Yall chatting about Raptors, im more curious about all the chatter about "Horses"???

Patch note is from 2002 (out of era for p99). Horse mounts were in game by that time.

[Patrece]

This has a great history of getting implemented due to something that happened on red 99

(Lol it's a good one)

[Jimjam]

Yall chatting about Raptors, im more curious about all the chatter about "Horses"???

Patch note is from 2002 (out of era for p99). Horse mounts were in game by that time.

To elaborate further, on live the Raptors weren't patched into being animals until after Luclin had dropped, which means before Luclin (the period we are trying to emulate) they presumably weren't animals so couldn't be charmed by druids, feared by rangers, etc.

[Duik]

Ooloo, any truth to the rumour George Costanza is blowing the invisible man in your avatar?
Also TD raptors are le hard.
Bahh hahaha.

[Patrece]

The dawg gave his elf life for this

Rip

[Ooloo]

Ooloo, any truth to the rumour George Costanza is blowing the invisible man in your avatar?
Also TD raptors are le hard.
Bahh hahaha.

I'm pimping him out. $10 per dick suck

[Ooloo]

And no raptors aren't hard that was my point now do you want a dick suck or not

[Chortles Snortles]

grandpa baler day drinkin
(lol)

[Ratchet51]

grandpa baler day drinkin
(lol)

Shit I'm comin' over.

[long.liam]

From a lore perspective, it would make more sense if druids could charm any kind of nature related creatures, including all spiders, plants, insects etc. Also, a outdoor or nature only haste and slow spells would have been cool too. If druids could haste group members, but only outdoors only or/and if they players have wolf form or bear form on that would be awesome too.

[long.liam]

Druids should be able to charm all Non-Humanoid creatures with the Exception of undead and elemental type creatures.

[magnetaress]

The obvious solution here is for druids to just quad or nuke the raptures(c)

Super surprised no one else has thot of this by page 3

[magnetaress]

Also too be clear.

They are reptilian and Also where probably more intelligent and social than we would traditionally be inclined to give them credit.

So while not humanoid. Still on par and different than animals. I bet the TD raptors are more sophisticated than simple instinctualism and or pack/herd mentality.

Heck the lil anoles around here irl are all very persnickity and individualistic whilst still holding tribal bonds despite having brains the size of peas.

[magnetaress]

P.s. I don't think druids should be able to charm reptilian mobs. Only mammals.

[Ekco]

The obvious solution here is for druids to just quad or nuke the raptures(c)

Super surprised no one else has thot of this by page 3

only someone who has never clicked a lumi staff would consider this a valid option.

threw mine in the fuckin ocean.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2015/08/daly.gif

[long.liam]

P.s. I don't think druids should be able to charm reptilian mobs. Only mammals.

1st of all, Raptors are not reptiles. They are more similar to Birds then they are to reptiles. All modern birds descended from Therapod dinosaurs like Raptors, T-rexs etc. Reptiles descended from a different order of dinosaurs. Even so, this is pointless, because druids being nature priests, it would make sense for the spells to be able to land on any kind of non-humanoid creatures. Obviously not undead or elemental types, but pretty much anything else that is not a sapient lifeform.

[Patrece]

It was the dawg, he's gone now

Sorry if you don't know about that cleansing

[magnetaress]

I'm arguing that the lizard birbs aren't only self aware butt also use reason aka they where smart enough to use an island near the wiz portal as a bind point aka sapient also g-d only knows what they are upto in the universe when they are not just chillin at their bind point.

[long.liam]

It was the dawg, he's gone now

Sorry if you don't know about that cleansing

Was this a reply to me? I have no idea what you're talking about.

[long.liam]

I'm arguing that the lizard birbs aren't only self aware butt also use reason aka they where smart enough to use an island near the wiz portal as a bind point aka sapient also g-d only knows what they are upto in the universe when they are not just chillin at their bind point.

Okay. Strange argument, but I guess I see what you're trying to convey. I'm not arguing from that classically the game should be this way, only that would make more lore sense if it were this way, but it is whatever I guess. Place sucks to xp at anyway, just kind of makes no sense that way that it is right now.

[aussenseiter]

From a lore perspective, it would make more sense if druids could charm any kind of nature related creatures, including all spiders, plants, insects etc. Also, a outdoor or nature only haste and slow spells would have been cool too. If druids could haste group members, but only outdoors only or/and if they players have wolf form or bear form on that would be awesome too.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Beguile_Plants_Quest

[magnetaress]

Okay. Strange argument, but I guess I see what you're trying to convey. I'm not arguing from that classically the game should be this way, only that would make more lore sense if it were this way, but it is whatever I guess. Place sucks to xp at anyway, just kind of makes no sense that way that it is right now.

It's a great place to farm spell research stuffs.

[magnetaress]

It's a great place to farm spell research stuffs.

Like these rapturebros are fricking smart dudes they are full of high lvl research.

Butt ya I like distinction of classes and agree.

Ench should only be able to charm what they are naturally or illusioned into. There should be outdoors special druid stuff where they just rule.

There should be really high dps low hp mobs that wizards are king at fighting. Or really high ac mobs that are hard to melee. Conversly there should be mobs warriors excell at fighting like strong melee low hp/ac so warriors can leverage their mitigation.

Also the lack of spider pets is a shame.

More places like super dog said for special spells like beguile plants and defoliation designed around exping with those spells.

Insert we got 3 lackluster raid tiers and zones and veashans peak.

[long.liam]

Like these rapturebros are fricking smart dudes they are full of high lvl research.

Butt ya I like distinction of classes and agree.

Ench should only be able to charm what they are naturally or illusioned into. There should be outdoors special druid stuff where they just rule.

There should be really high dps low hp mobs that wizards are king at fighting. Or really high ac mobs that are hard to melee. Conversly there should be mobs warriors excell at fighting like strong melee low hp/ac so warriors can leverage their mitigation.

Also the lack of spider pets is a shame.

More places like super dog said for special spells like beguile plants and defoliation designed around exping with those spells.

Insert we got 3 lackluster raid tiers and zones and veashans peak.

Lol. Yea I guess raptors are smart, but I agree with most of what you said.

[magnetaress]

I mean... we missed out on the granularity of having a class that specializes in hunting zombies or ghosts

Or druids specializing in an animal type too... this is how I would design a game...there would be one specific type you excel at dealing with and all the lore and at least a place or two to go. Then you would want to team or at least just be average to at being at a disadvantage vs other types.

Some special areas would incentivize bringing a diverse group. They would be entirely bonus tho as the rest of the game would deliver a full spectrum of content for both the witch and witchhunters. The swordsaints or duelists and the armored warriors. Etc...

[long.liam]

I mean... we missed out on the granularity of having a class that specializes in hunting zombies or ghosts

Or druids specializing in an animal type too... this is how I would design a game...there would be one specific type you excel at dealing with and all the lore and at least a place or two to go. Then you would want to team or at least just be average to at being at a disadvantage vs other types.

Some special areas would incentivize bringing a diverse group. They would be entirely bonus tho as the rest of the game would deliver a full spectrum of content for both the witch and witchhunters. The swordsaints or duelists and the armored warriors. Etc...

Yeah I agree. More unique class playstyles would have made the game feel so much larger. As it is right now too many classes play the same. Not as bad as WoW, but still not very diverse playing experiences.

[Patrece]

This change was correct

How it got fast tracked in, and the circumstances were the problem :)

[cd288]

What's the story behind why the TD raptors were made uncharmable? Too many petitions put in for hogging the mobs? Strange why they made it uncharmable. As far as I know they were charmable in EQ classic era and are still charmable on live.

The patch notes you pasted are from Luclin era, so that would answer your question.



As an aside, I would lol if the staff saw this patch note and reverted corpses to completely classic as a result:

"- NPC and PC corpses can now be /considered to find out how long until
they decay, and PC corpses additionally tell you how long you have to
resurrect them
- The timer for corpses is now seven days for any corpse over level
five, whether the player is on-line or off-line or any combination of
the two"