Sharing accounts should be bannable

[azxten]

Additionally, those found guilty of defrauding others by taking advantage of shared accounts will be met with disciplinary actions.

P99 staff shouldn't be policing account sharing at all. Classic era sharing accounts would get you banned. If you told staff you shared your account info and someone stole your gear they would say thanks for telling us and ban you. The pressure to share account info and "be a team player" by logging into multiple accounts to do whatever guild tasks as needed is stupid. It is extremely common here and people shouldn't be getting pressured like this. Encouraging someone to give account info, share accounts, or login to one of their accounts should get that person banned.

That's all. Just another tip for making things better on P99. I recommend staff stop embracing things like this. Players should know they will be banned if they do this and that reporting someone "defrauding" you will just confirm you broke the rules. It was a classic rule for a reason.

It took years to stop the EC tunnel account trading/selling when that was allowed, P99 has a history of openly allowing this kind of thing. You learned their lesson with that one. You should also put an end to this, not endorse it and offer to help if they can. Accounts should belong to players, not guilds.

[Trexller]

yep

100% agreed

[Solist]

What lesson did they learn?

Account selling was no big deal. Server ran smooth and fine, no issues really resulted from it.

The RMT side of things is a different story. But buying and selling accounts for plat on p99 was perfectly fine and common here for a good while.

[DeliciousHalflings]

What lesson did they learn?

Account selling was no big deal. Server ran smooth and fine, no issues really resulted from it.

The RMT side of things is a different story. But buying and selling accounts for plat on p99 was perfectly fine and common here for a good while.

Those who had the Plat to buy accounts were majority the ones doing the RMT in the first place, so they linked anyway. Either way...not classic, just like account sharing. No one should have such an advantage that they can just pass off their account to someone else to hold a camp they haven't gotten their item from yet. And is incredibly easy to confirm by staff whether or not someone logged in from the same place or not after 'disconnecting'.

[sajbert]

Account sharing creates all sorts of problems.

I don’t even know why we want guildbots for instance.

[Jimjam]

Account sharing creates all sorts of problems.

I don’t even know why we want guildbots for instance.

I like that bots give players access to content they may not be levelled or keyed for as well as making raiding accessible for someone who isn’t able to keep a toon of their own on park.

That said, bots do seem to be taking over.

At the moment guilds are putting immense pressure on levelling and gearing bots.

Who even owns the guild bots? Many get very well geared but then disappear in the constant cycle of guild mergers etc.

[Trexller]

Who even owns the guild bots? Many get very well geared but then disappear in the constant cycle of guild mergers etc.

how to get an alt leveled and geared for free off of the backs of no life neckbeards

[sajbert]

I dunno if it’s particularly good for newer players either.

“Oh, welcome lvl 46 paladin! Glad you want to raid with us. Now log onto a bot and get on the chain.”

“Anyone wanna help me get my little Cleric a Verix medallion? Last part.”
- Guild: *crickets*

“Oh look a VS wizard staff!”
*new wizard goes all in with his 50 dkp*
* guild bot bids 60*
(Ok, hopefully only rarely happens)

Guilds being able to slap down bots on location means engages are also faster and FTE is the deciding factor more often than it should be instead of mustering.

Bots also devalue the cleric and wizard class and facilitate ToV bind where the wizard guild bot lives.

[Toxigen]

hey look its op bitching about another thing thats never going to change

[Ooloo]

I also agree account sharing should be banned but yeah I dont see how it can ever happen.

It really is annoying as shit though. Every single raid guild I've been in, most of the really active players in the snooty upper clique share their accounts, so when I see them online I'm only ever like 25% sure it's actually the real person. You send them a tell "Hey you ready to do that thing we talked about?" and they're like "what? this isn't soandso..".

Account sharing with the /list system is the only thing I feel like they could fix relatively easily. If your IP changes, you get booted from the list. Obviously there are still ways around it, but it would certainly reduce the problem.

[DeliciousHalflings]

I also agree account sharing should be banned but yeah I dont see how it can ever happen.

It really is annoying as shit though. Every single raid guild I've been in, most of the really active players in the snooty upper clique share their accounts, so when I see them online I'm only ever like 25% sure it's actually the real person. You send them a tell "Hey you ready to do that thing we talked about?" and they're like "what? this isn't soandso..".

Account sharing with the /list system is the only thing I feel like they could fix relatively easily. If your IP changes, you get booted from the list. Obviously there are still ways around it, but it would certainly reduce the problem.

IP logging is the only way, and if there's too many discrepancies with someone logging in (tracked via a simple program), they get banned. If someone's legitimately traveling while playing, it's not hard to prove. This ain't America, it's Norrath. Guilty until proven innocent (unless you're one of the guys giving Rogean his cut of your RMT, then you can cheat incessantly until a lone, brave, rogue GM named Uthgaard stands against you, outing the entire backdoor bullshit this server has always participated in, and subsequently be turned into a villain for speaking the truth and wanting to preserve the integrity of the game).

[Tethler]

Classic era sharing accounts would get you banned. If you told staff you shared your account info and someone stole your gear they would say thanks for telling us and ban you.

Nah. I shared my druid info with a few guild members back then. One of them, never found out who, stripped me and bound me at the cliff golems in OT and deathlooped me down to level 35. I petitioned and talked to a guide who escalated to a senior GM, and my levels and gear were restored like 2 days later. I was just told to be careful and not share info. Definitely wasn't banned.

[Eyry]

They didn’t allow account sharing because they wanted those subscription $$$

[DeliciousHalflings]

They didn’t allow account sharing because they wanted those subscription $$$

And because it affected the way the game was intended to be played.

[greatdane]

What lesson did they learn?

Account selling was no big deal. Server ran smooth and fine, no issues really resulted from it.

The RMT side of things is a different story. But buying and selling accounts for plat on p99 was perfectly fine and common here for a good while.

Yeah, sold my first account for 50k plat back in like 2011 when it was allowed. Financed my next main that way.

To be honest, they can't realistically police account-sharing. There's no such thing in our day and age as a consistent method of online identification unless they want to get into 2FA with a dongle or some shit. What else are they gonna do, ban anyone who logs on from an IP that isn't their "usual one"? The interwebs don't work that way anymore. Most people probably play from at least two different locations, judging by the amount of clerics in my groups who are at work. Seemingly as professional jugglers.

[loramin]

Yeah, sold my first account for 50k plat back in like 2011 when it was allowed. Financed my next main that way.

To be honest, they can't realistically police account-sharing. There's no such thing in our day and age as a consistent method of online identification unless they want to get into 2FA with a dongle or some shit. What else are they gonna do, ban anyone who logs on from an IP that isn't their "usual one"? The interwebs don't work that way anymore. Most people probably play from at least two different locations, judging by the amount of clerics in my groups who are at work. Seemingly as professional jugglers.

They *could* put a limit, of say 5 IPs per account per month. When you try to login as IP #6, you can't.

It would hurt people using VPNs, but normal players (even the ones that play at work, and on two home computers, and a steam deck at a coffee shop) would be unaffected.

[Vsai]

There are ways to set this up. The client has access to all the information it needs. Pairing accounts to ips and client identifiers. (This computer is running this client on this IP)
Registration by account owners. Do anything within your scope and it works. Your id's, IP's, computer identifier. The client already has the access. The trick here is because permissions are one way, you can't register to another pairing. So if you share with your friend, guess what your friend can't use that PC client or account for their own shit. And only one of you can log on at a time. It's entirely possible to do, but would require dev time.

[DeliciousHalflings]

Yeah, sold my first account for 50k plat back in like 2011 when it was allowed. Financed my next main that way.

To be honest, they can't realistically police account-sharing. There's no such thing in our day and age as a consistent method of online identification unless they want to get into 2FA with a dongle or some shit. What else are they gonna do, ban anyone who logs on from an IP that isn't their "usual one"? The interwebs don't work that way anymore. Most people probably play from at least two different locations, judging by the amount of clerics in my groups who are at work. Seemingly as professional jugglers.

It's incredibly easy to track + police with minimal actual work required on their end. The only people speaking against it or saying it's 'too hard' are those abusing it in the first place, so kindly shut the fuck up and let those that actually play fair discuss the rules situation.

[DeliciousHalflings]

There are ways to set this up. The client has access to all the information it needs. Pairing accounts to ips and client identifiers. (This computer is running this client on this IP)
Registration by account owners. Do anything within your scope and it works. Your id's, IP's, computer identifier. The client already has the access. The trick here is because permissions are one way, you can't register to another pairing. So if you share with your friend, guess what your friend can't use that PC client or account for their own shit. And only one of you can log on at a time. It's entirely possible to do, but would require dev time.

Minimal time. Just needs a few lines of code added. Can apply for an exemption to play from work just like with multiple IPs from one location, and if something seems fishy it'll get reported, looked into, and handled accordingly. Simple solutions to major problems. Idk why so many people wanna make it more difficult than it needs to be.

[skorge]

I was one of the few who made a lot of plat buying and selling accounts back in the day. It was no different than any other plat making service. I would buy accounts, sit on them, and resell them, and make a good bit of plat. I never RMTd. In fact most people doing it probably didn't.

What got it banned was a few bad apples who would screw the new owner over. On one transaction I did, the guy removed the BCG (valued at 275k at the time) from the account before I could log in. He eventually got banned. But it was people who did this that screwed everyone else over. The devs got tired of dealing with it and just banned it.

[Ravager]

Just collect your own cracked staffs and don't let anyone else touch your cracked staff and your cracked staff will remain firm and pure.

[Coridan]

I don't think they banned account sharing in 99, but it was at your own risk for sure. Up to the GM how lenient they were feeling that day. They had a lot of discretion.

I'd love to get rid of it here to ditch the guild bots but I think it'd be tough to enforce.