Time To Discuss Barbarian Cultural Armor

[Drueric]

It sucks and sucks to make. The components for your tempers are in ridiculously hard place to get. Because of this, people who do sell the components charge way too much for armor that isnt even that good.

Compare that to every other race's cultural armor componants are easy to get, and the armor isnt half bad.

For example, most tempers require only x1 of their rare ingredient, while barbarians temper needs x3 and people charge 2 or 3x as much as other racial armor tempers.

The main issue is availability of Essence of Winter. Supposed to drop off ice giants, but it only drops off the ones deep inside of permafrost, and would require a group of 55+ characters to kill them. The ice giants just outside permafrost do not drop them. And why not? This makes no sense. Because if this, no one ever makes the barbarian cultural gear. By the time you are strong enough to collect the essence yourself, you dont need it. No one needs it. No one in your group needs it. And there isnt enough to even make a half a set of the armor if you do find some.

Selling. I have seen people once in awhile selling the essence, but they ignorantly price it too high. just as a comparison, iksar blood is usually about 10p each, only requires 1 to make temper and a solo high lvl toon can farm it easily, even after you nerfed the drop rates. You need x2 essence of winter + ice goblin blood to make 1 temper, yet people charge around 30p for 1 and requires a high lvl group going on a raid in permafrost. Its just stupid.

My proposed solution, make the ice giants outside in everfrost have a chance to drop the essence. It would be an easy fix and make it fair.

[Sirquestalot]

Life isn't fair. EQ isn't fair. Seems like this suggestion you're making belongs in Live server forums because what's here is how it was during Velious era. Not likely to be changed because "waaagh." (move to RnF)

[Drueric]

OH, Im sorry, I didnt realize P99 was exactly the same as live. What are all those updates for again? They arent actually fixing any issues are they? any bugs? Any loot drop rates? Oh wait, yea they are. STFU.

[Trexller]

P99 devs have an idea of what they want their servers to be

your best bet is to scour alla everlore wayback etc and find some evidence that essence of winter was more common or dropped from other mobs, wiki says it also drops from DL yetis and CS wyverns. if thats not the case on p99, do the research and find proof, then submit it to Nilbog and you'll get your update.

[Fammaden]

Shit's classic. Resolved.

[Toxigen]

discussion over

that was fast

[loramin]

wiki says it also drops from DL yetis and CS wyverns.

This. I have always farmed the yeti for my essences ... even back on live ... so that'd be my recommendation.

[Jimjam]

OH, Im sorry, I didnt realize P99 was exactly the same as live. What are all those updates for again? They arent actually fixing any issues are they? any bugs? Any loot drop rates? Oh wait, yea they are. STFU.

I’m confused. Are you saying back in 1999-2001 essence of winter did drop off the everfrost ice giants?

[Drueric]

I’m confused. Are you saying back in 1999-2001 essence of winter did drop off the everfrost ice giants?

Pretty sure I didnt say that. Dont be confused with the voices in your head.

[Drueric]

This. I have always farmed the yeti for my essences ... even back on live ... so that'd be my recommendation.

I mean, thats interesting, but DL is from kunark. Where did u "farm" them before kunark? And where is CS again? So yea... Compare that to all the other race cultural armor component farming.

Farming yetis would be easier than farming them in permafrost though, and ill look into that. But that doesnt address the other issues I mentioned.

[eqravenprince]

I mean, thats interesting, but DL is from kunark. Where did u "farm" them before kunark?

Cultural armor didn't exist before kunark.

[Kirdan]

I mean, thats interesting, but DL is from kunark. Where did u "farm" them before kunark? And where is CS again? So yea... Compare that to all the other race cultural armor component farming.

Farming yetis would be easier than farming them in permafrost though, and ill look into that. But that doesnt address the other issues I mentioned.

You know that cultural armor didn't exist before Kunark, right?

[Old_PVP]

Lots of sets suck ass, not just barbarian. Iksar, halfling, wood elf. Hell, trolls don’t even get any. Most of human cultural sucks too. ALL the cultural weapons suck no matter what race. Original devs were smoking crack when they implemented these, with clear favoritism towards certain races.

[Jimjam]

Pretty sure I didnt say that. Dont be confused with the voices in your head.

You’re writing was very ambiguous mate, just asking for clarification you looneytoon.

[Toxigen]

with clear favoritism towards certain races.

cancel everquest

[pink grapefruit]

If justice is culturally relative, why would the Tribunal exist at all?

"...true believers in the Tribunal do not recognize the rights of any court on Norrath and enforce the Tribunal's sense of ultimate justice on the rest of the population."

Strange that the justice gods would not recognize the legitimacy of Norrathian judicial systems, but would enforce their own judgments based on those very same individual systems. Wouldn't this make their purpose redundant and illogical?

maybe that's why their armor sucks lmao

[Trexller]

"...true believers in the Tribunal do not recognize the rights of any court on Norrath and enforce the Tribunal's sense of ultimate justice on the rest of the population."

These are called Democrats

[Gustoo]

True about Tribunal that’s a scary belief system lol

[loramin]

The Tribunal has Batman morality/logic: how many of you cheer against Batman?

[Drueric]

You know that cultural armor didn't exist before Kunark, right?

No I did not. I did not play before kunark. But it still sucks that one has to farm their race's cultural armor components on the other side of the world (to get them easier)

EC has geared my barbarian, and if I am able to collect my own essence on that toon, there would be no point, now.. And I would still need ALOT of it, compared to other races.

[Fammaden]

The Tribunal has Batman morality/logic: how many of you cheer against Batman?

Batman is 100% a psycho, more an anti-hero. And yes, vigilante shit, not really justice. Tribunal more Judge Dredd than objective justice.

[Fammaden]

No I did not. I did not play before kunark. But it still sucks that one has to farm their race's cultural armor components on the other side of the world (to get them easier)

EC has geared my barbarian, and if I am able to collect my own essence on that toon, there would be no point, now.. And I would still need ALOT of it, compared to other races.

Cultural armor was implemented for bored max level tradeskill weirdos to have an endless timesink grind to work on, hope that clears things up.

[pink grapefruit]

The Tribunal has Batman morality/logic: how many of you cheer against Batman?

Does it really? The lore I've seen has been like, "The Tribunal doesn't like high elf necromancers, but is okay with evil cultures being evil."

[loramin]

A fundamental concept behind the justice of the Tribunal is cultural relativity. While a High Elf of Tunare may be condemned for practicing necromancy, a gnoll may be accused by his clan of excessive leniency towards prisoners. Sending someone before the Tribunal is usually reserved for serious crimes, as it can mean a virtual eternity of imprisonment and suffering. However, the definition of "serious crimes" can vary widely among societies. Some acts aimed against the gods themselves are considered under a broader scope, but The Tribunal looks primarily at the rules of particular civilizations.

So they are Batman, but like a relativistic version. They act like one Batman when dealing with Humans, another for Gnolls, and so on.

It all makes perfect sense ;) ... well, except the part of gnolls appealing to The Tribunal.

[loramin]

P.S. Contrast this image of the Tribunal:

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/Im/width=250/23028

with:

https://simg.nicepng.com/png/small/3-32695_batman-batman-standing-in-full-armour-tote-bag.png

They're like Batman with a hammer and a hood ;)

[Jimjam]

Batthor

[cdfurry]

I am not sure how much you have really looked at cultural but they are all very similiar in terms of manufacturing, especially the tempers.

That said they are not necessarily equal in drop rates and collection.

For example:

Barbarian temper
1 x Brandy - Crafted, Bought, Dropped
2 x Essence of Winter - Dropped
1 x Ice Goblin Blood - Dropped

High Elf tempers
2 x Essence of Moonlight - Dropped
1 x Morning Dew - Foraged, Dropped, Ground Spawn
1 x Swirling Mist - Dropped

Human Tempers
1 x Fish Wine - Crafted, Bought, Dropped
2 x Mug of Sea Foam - Dropped
1 x Saltwater Seaweed - Fished

You need roughly 50 morning dew for a visible set of High Elf cultural plate which is a fun journey (because its not used just in the tempers). But the High elf plate is also extremely viable armor until 50+ dungeons.

And yes the wife and I are tradeskill fanatics or "max level tradeskill weirdos" as someone else stated.

thanks
jaladian/jaladiun/vekter

[Infectious]

No I did not. I did not play before kunark. But it still sucks that one has to farm their race's cultural armor components on the other side of the world (to get them easier)

EC has geared my barbarian, and if I am able to collect my own essence on that toon, there would be no point, now.. And I would still need ALOT of it, compared to other races.

Lol this guy is a imbecile

[pink grapefruit]

They're like Batman with a hammer and a hood ;)

the batman comparison is hilarious, which makes it worthwhile and good. would love to see some barbarian batman-inspired roleplay!

[Ooloo]

What does the armor actually look like? I don't even know. I'm assuming people only bother getting it for the way it looks.

The wiki always sucks for this. It'll say like "appearance:" and then you click it and it's some picture of a purple dark elf or something.

[pink grapefruit]

What does the armor actually look like? I don't even know. I'm assuming people only bother getting it for the way it looks.

The wiki always sucks for this. It'll say like "appearance:" and then you click it and it's some picture of a purple dark elf or something.

you dare criticize the wiki in a loramin-themed thread?

he is the night!! he is vengeance!!

say your prayers, evildoer!!

[Ooloo]

Haha no I love the wiki and I think loramin has done an amazing amount of work to make it good, which it mostly is. Only criticizing the appearance links which are almost never right

[Old_PVP]

What does the armor actually look like? I don't even know. I'm assuming people only bother getting it for the way it looks.


Barbarian cultural just looks like plain chainmail. Yeah, plain shit chain. Devs couldn't even throw the tradeskillers a bone for appearance. :p

[loramin]

Barbarian cultural just looks like plain chainmail. Yeah, plain shit chain. Devs couldn't even throw the tradeskillers a bone for appearance. :p

That doesn't seem correct.

I took the wiki data from Magelo, and admittedly Magelo is based on live EQ, but ... to my knowledge Verant/Sony never went back and changed the color of old armors, so they should still have the same coloring.

Normal chainmail (eg. https://wiki.project1999.com/Large_Chainmail_Coat) has the fashion style of "Chain", with no tint. Both the Northman Ringmail (eg. https://wiki.project1999.com/Northman_Ring_Mail) and the Imbued version (eg. https://wiki.project1999.com/Imbued_Northman_Ring_Mail) have that same fashion style, with a light purple tint (the auto-color-naming tool I used dubbed it "Melrose (https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Fashion:_Melrose)").

So, the two should look very similar, but the cultural armor should have a slightly purpler look. I haven't actually made any Barbarian cultural in ages though, so I can't confirm (I do have a barb smith on blue who could, but he's stuck down in the bottom of Charasis ATM :().

Haha no I love the wiki and I think loramin has done an amazing amount of work to make it good, which it mostly is. Only criticizing the appearance links which are almost never right

What that boils down to is that we just don't have enough pictures of people showing off their armor. Whenever you go to look at an item (like https://wiki.project1999.com/Imbued_Northman_Ring_Mail) that no one has published a screenshot of, all we can do is show other armor that looks similar (ie. has the same fashion style), but with a different coloring/tint.

[Old_PVP]

As it happens, I have made some of this armor. I haven't bothered to make a full set yet, but it's enough to get the idea.

https://i.imgur.com/7cDEOB0l.jpg

[branamil]

Its funny how brainwashed you guys have been over the ItS NoT ClaSsIc laziness defense, even though they said they wanted to offer custom content at some point in the server timeline.

[loramin]

As it happens, I have made some of this armor. I haven't bothered to make a full set yet, but it's enough to get the idea.

https://i.imgur.com/7cDEOB0l.jpg

Awesome!

If you wouldn't mind posting another pic after you make a full suit, I'd be happy to add it to the wiki for you (or you could add it yourself, by doing the same thing as the existing images on https://wiki.project1999.com/Category:Fashion:_Chain).

[Drueric]

Lol this guy is a imbecile

Thanks for adding your useless contribution to the otherwise civil discussion :cool:

[Jimjam]

Those p99 shots don't look tinted at all, do they? Is it possible to get a side by side with a barb NPC wearing chain for comparison?

This may be a discovery worthy of a bug thread.

Dont be confused with the voices in your head.

Thanks for adding your useless contribution to the otherwise civil discussion :cool:

Perhaps I've taken it too personally, but I didn't find your discussion so civil.

[Dajeeem]

Compare that to every other race's cultural armor componants are easy to get, and the armor isnt half bad.



does every race have cultural armor? i always wondered why every toon didnt have a cool armor crafting option for the given race/class. maybe i missed something...

[Jimjam]

Trolls didn’t get theirs by luclin. Half elves piggy back off other cultures. Can’t learn to make them though.

[magnetaress]

go to live where OOW cultural fixes all these problems guy

[Byrjun]

Those p99 shots don't look tinted at all, do they?

The interaction between armor tinting and light sources got a bit weird at some point (the Titanium client has the "weird" interaction).

Light sources will sort of "negate" armor tints. For example, in normal lighting crafted armor will have the normal light blue tint, but if you get close to the armor with a light source you'll notice that the armor looks more like un-tinted platemail where the light is shining.

Difficult to describe but I'm sure some people have noticed this.

If the Northman chain is a light purple tint it's possible that there's enough lighting in that screenshot to "destroy" the tint. It's easier to see armor tints in dimly lit areas.

[Old_PVP]

To be fair, that screenshot was taken on my phone from the character selection screen. Character select enhances the full model detail but also seems to increase brightness when compared to in game. Also my phone may have auto adjusted brightness or something. Either way, if there is any sort of tint it is very negligible. Same holds true for high elven chain. I will try to get better screenshots in game sometime, although it can often be hard to get good quality full body shots.

[loramin]

Those p99 shots don't look tinted at all, do they? Is it possible to get a side by side with a barb NPC wearing chain for comparison?

The only pic I know of in the wiki is:

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Banded.jpg

The Northaman ringmail definitely seems to have some blue stripes, while the normal (banded) armor doesn't ... but the lighting between the two pics is so different that it's hard to say for sure.

If anyone has a Barbarian in banded that they could screenshot (at the character select screen), it would help us compare apples to apples.

[Drueric]

Those p99 shots don't look tinted at all, do they? Is it possible to get a side by side with a barb NPC wearing chain for comparison?

This may be a discovery worthy of a bug thread.





Perhaps I've taken it too personally, but I didn't find your discussion so civil.

Did you not see the posts I was replying to? I think what I said in response to them was very civil, compared to what it could have been. Why dont you look at their posts and then clutch your pearls.

[Drueric]

The only pic I know of in the wiki is:

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Banded.jpg

The Northaman ringmail definitely seems to have some blue stripes, while the normal (banded) armor doesn't ... but the lighting between the two pics is so different that it's hard to say for sure.

If anyone has a Barbarian in banded that they could screenshot (at the character select screen), it would help us compare apples to apples.

What you are seeing in this image, is banded mail. Though it may be that some other armors have the exact same graphic.

[Toxigen]

its 2023 - is it really time to discuss barbarian cultural armor?

[Jimjam]

You suggested the giants outside permafrost should drop essence of winter, I sought clarification as to whether you thought this was classic behaviour (as the project is like an electronic experimental archaeology designed to recreate eq as it was 1999-2001) and you called me insane but did not actually provide an answer.

You tell me to clutch my pearls when I kindly advise you don’t appear quite as civil as you claim.

You advise me to look back on how well behaved you have been to over posters and your first reply to someone you tell them to stfu.

I appreciate you feel you could have acted much less civil, you are likely right, but take a moment to reflect - you’re trying to push the project into changes that go against it’s core and you aren’t being entirely nice about it either.

Do you really think this behaviour is going to help achieve your goals?

If you think EoWinter is too rare then you need to find evidence toward it dropping more commonly in era instead of mouthing off against people trying to set things straight or help you.

The devs seem unlikely to give a second glance to a thread making unsubstantiated demands full of pages of ranting, don’t you think?

[Jimjam]

its 2023 - is it really time to discuss barbarian cultural armor?

Should have been discussed years ago, i urge this be moved to grape vendor tier priority!!

[loramin]

What you are seeing in this image, is banded mail. Though it may be that some other armors have the exact same graphic.

Banded looks the same as chainmail: both have the fashion style of "Chain" (see https://wiki.project1999.com/Banded_Mail and https://wiki.project1999.com/Chainmail_Coat).

Again, that's based on Magelo (ie. live) data ... but again, AFAIK Verant never changed either Banded or Chainmail (or pretty much any other armor) after Velious.

[Drueric]

You suggested the giants outside permafrost should drop essence of winter, I sought clarification as to whether you thought this was classic behaviour (as the project is like an electronic experimental archaeology designed to recreate eq as it was 1999-2001) and you called me insane but did not actually provide an answer.

You tell me to clutch my pearls when I kindly advise you don’t appear quite as civil as you claim.

You advise me to look back on how well behaved you have been to over posters and your first reply to someone you tell them to stfu.

I appreciate you feel you could have acted much less civil, you are likely right, but take a moment to reflect - you’re trying to push the project into changes that go against it’s core and you aren’t being entirely nice about it either.

Do you really think this behaviour is going to help achieve your goals?

If you think EoWinter is too rare then you need to find evidence toward it dropping more commonly in era instead of mouthing off against people trying to set things straight or help you.

The devs seem unlikely to give a second glance to a thread making unsubstantiated demands full of pages of ranting, don’t you think?

I guess you dont read? I was "uncivil" only to those who were uncivil to me first, and that is the only reason, so I am confused as to why you are only focusing your unwanted attention on only my comments.

This is a classic case of an instigator being ignored while the person responding to the antagonist is the one being harrassed. So, ill just say this to you too. STFU.

[pink grapefruit]

I guess you dont read? I was "uncivil" only to those who were uncivil to me first, and that is the only reason, so I am confused as to why you are only focusing your unwanted attention on only my comments.

This is a classic case of an instigator being ignored while the person responding to the antagonist is the one being harrassed. So, ill just say this to you too. STFU.

jimjam's one of the nicest and most level-headed people on these cursed forums.

seeing someone get this mad over barbarian cultural armor is objectively funny, but maybe you should take a step back and realize it's a bad look for you.

or not, we dgaf lol

[Jimjam]

Thanks PG.

I recommend D follow this link.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=33136

[Drueric]

He may be nice, but that doesnt mean he should stick his nose into where it doesnt belong or act as some community moderator. I recommend you follow your own link and click yes.

[loramin]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/WRp58hy5gmfjpMzHAZ/giphy.gif

You seem to forget that you started this whole thing: Jimjam asked a perfectly reasonable question, and you attacked him for it.

[Gustoo]

Batman sends em to regular prison and doesn’t enact his own justice actually.

You’re talking about a race of judge dredds

[aussenseiter]

"I am your warrior, I am your justice, and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution!" (https://wiki.project1999.com/Black_Wolf_Armor)

https://wiki.project1999.com/images/thumb/Full_black_wolf_armor.png/723px-Full_black_wolf_armor.png

[Drueric]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/WRp58hy5gmfjpMzHAZ/giphy.gif

You seem to forget that you started this whole thing: Jimjam asked a perfectly reasonable question, and you attacked him for it.

Lets review shall we?

1. The question he asked was more like an assumption than a question. Assuming that I said something I did not say or imply. And my response was appropriate and civil, pointing out that false assumption in a subtle, but mildly humorous fashion. Harmless.

2. You’re writing was very ambiguous mate, just asking for clarification you looneytoon. In his next post, he resorted to calling me names.

3. Perhaps I've taken it too personally, but I didn't find your discussion so civil. After name calling me, he accuses me of being the uncivil one.

Now im getting angry at his little insults, and responding accordingly. So I guess, random person, im saying the same thing to you now as well. STFU or stay on topic. <shrug>

[Jimjam]

He may be nice, but that doesnt mean he should stick his nose into where it doesnt belong or act as some community moderator. I recommend you follow your own link and click yes.

It’s a public forum. I’ve played a barbarian shaman both in 2000 and here (and takp) and like to use the everfrost / permafrost area. I’m committed to the idea of trying to recreate classic not some Frankenstein update of it. I’m sticking my nose exactly where it belongs.

Standing up for myself without being aggressively confrontational is not acting like a community moderator. I’ve given you a button to press if you don’t want to see my posts in your threads.

Back to the point, so you’re saying you think Essence of winter should be added to the everfrost icegiants as nonclassic custom content? Yes or no?

Lava rocks (dwarf cultural?) drop off much lower level mobs in lavastorm as well as the Naggyb giants. Perhaps, if we are changing EoWs as post classic custom content they could be put on mammoth type mobs. They’re peak wintriness imo. The calfs nicely match the lavastorm mobs levels too.

[Jimjam]

Pretty sure I didnt say that. Dont be confused with the voices in your head.

I asked for a clarification on something I found ambiguous and you called me crazy. Imo looneytoon is a humorous reflection of what you said to me - that I was confused listening to voices in my head. Honestly I don’t find your phrasing entertaining for that. Certainly uncivil which is why I rejected your claim of civil behaviour - you are the one that first raised that issue. You were the first one to call the other crazy. Imo if you can’t take it don't dish it or you’ll get upset.

So anyway, we were both just speaking in the spirit of jest even if the jokes landed flat?

Sorry if you feel I’ve antagonised you - you’ve been throwing a lot of ‘STFU’s out, which is why I suggest you ignore me.

[Drueric]

Im not familiar with ALL the components drop locations and difficulty for every race. Perhaps there are others that could be reviewed as well.

As for EW, I would suggest that they be removed from one drop creature, and added to another, closer to home. Or several, with very low drop rates. I would suggest adding them to the ice bone skeletons. The baby mammoths are very common, while the ice skeletons are far less common, and I believe are harder to kill. I dont want them to be too easy(or to hard) to obtain or commonly dropped. As an example, I used to farm iksar blood not long ago, and I would find like 5-10 of them a day in dalnir, with an appropriate level group for the dungeon. Some people I have heard have found more per day than that. Up to a stack of it per day. The entire day. How does that rate with essence of winter? I cant say. I have not yet been to hunt yetis or wyverns to find out how often they drop. But they are very far away from Halas, and so is CS, while all of the imbued cab scale temper items are all close to home and easier to obtain. Some easier than others.

It doesnt make sense to me why the essence would be so difficult to get right in halas's own nearby territories.(permafrost) or not at all.

[Sirquestalot]

Compare that to every other race's cultural armor componants are easy to get, and the armor isnt half bad.


Im not familiar with ALL the components drop locations and difficulty for every race

Not sure of the exact wording of the old saying, but it goes something like this... "Better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and erase all doubt."

[Jimjam]

Im not familiar with ALL the components drop locations and difficulty for every race. Perhaps there are others that could be reviewed as well.

As for EW, I would suggest that they be removed from one drop creature, and added to another, closer to home. Or several, with very low drop rates. I would suggest adding them to the ice bone skeletons. The baby mammoths are very common, while the ice skeletons are far less common, and I believe are harder to kill. I dont want them to be too easy(or to hard) to obtain or commonly dropped. As an example, I used to farm iksar blood not long ago, and I would find like 5-10 of them a day in dalnir, with an appropriate level group for the dungeon. Some people I have heard have found more per day than that. Up to a stack of it per day. The entire day. How does that rate with essence of winter? I cant say. I have not yet been to hunt yetis or wyverns to find out how often they drop. But they are very far away from Halas, and so is CS, while all of the imbued cab scale temper items are all close to home and easier to obtain. Some easier than others.

It doesnt make sense to me why the essence would be so difficult to get right in halas's own nearby territories.(permafrost) or not at all.

Putting them on icebones is a good shout as it would encourage people into the tunnels by the river too.

[Sirquestalot]

For the record, halflings don't just have to travel across the world to get their components easier... they have to make that trip to get their components AT ALL.

And Erudites... why don't you look up Steelsilk? They have to spawn the Terrorantula multiple times, yielding what? A half a swatch at a time?

And the armor isn't half bad? Well, I guess that depends on whether you're the right class and deity worshipper for the "not half bad" armors that your race can make.

[Infectious]

Im not familiar with ALL the components drop locations and difficulty for every race. Perhaps there are others that could be reviewed as well.

As for EW, I would suggest that they be removed from one drop creature, and added to another, closer to home. Or several, with very low drop rates. I would suggest adding them to the ice bone skeletons. The baby mammoths are very common, while the ice skeletons are far less common, and I believe are harder to kill. I dont want them to be too easy(or to hard) to obtain or commonly dropped. As an example, I used to farm iksar blood not long ago, and I would find like 5-10 of them a day in dalnir, with an appropriate level group for the dungeon. Some people I have heard have found more per day than that. Up to a stack of it per day. The entire day. How does that rate with essence of winter? I cant say. I have not yet been to hunt yetis or wyverns to find out how often they drop. But they are very far away from Halas, and so is CS, while all of the imbued cab scale temper items are all close to home and easier to obtain. Some easier than others.

It doesnt make sense to me why the essence would be so difficult to get right in halas's own nearby territories.(permafrost) or not at all.

Not classic.

[Drueric]

Not classic.

Classic can be improved upon.

[Jimjam]

Classic can be improved upon.

That is anathema to p1999’s basic purpose though.

[Drueric]

Which is why I am confident my suggestions will be seriously considered.

[Tnair]

Barb cultural armor is nekkidness.